Fri May 13, 2016, 11:16 AM
kadaholo (296 posts)
Following Sanders' Lead, Obama Endorses National Voting HolidayThis discussion thread was locked as off-topic by mcar (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum). Prompted by a student journalist to address the consistent low turnout in U.S. elections, President Obama this week endorsed the idea of a national voting holiday, an idea most prominently put forth at the federal level by Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders. As first reported nationally by Slate, the president was speaking with staff reporter Dan Corey of Rutgers University's student newspaper, The Daily Targum, when they had this exchange:
THE TARGUM: You have pointed out many times that voter turnout in the United States is very low, especially compared to other developed nations. But in many other countries, the government automatically registers voters and holds elections on days that are weekend days or national holidays. Do you think it’s time for the U.S. to follow their lead? PRESIDENT OBAMA: Absolutely. We are the only advanced democracy that makes it deliberately difficult for people to vote. And some of it has to do with the nature of our history and our Constitution, where we allow individual states to determine their own processes for structuring elections within certain boundaries. I think that we know some states like Oregon are doing a much better job at extending mail-in voting, increasing tools like online voting that are safe and secure, give people flexibility over a long period of time, (and) early voting. And so everything we can do to make sure that we’re increasing participation is something that we should promote and encourage. Our democracy is not going to function well when only half or a third of eligible voters are participating. The single most dramatic political change that could occur in this country—and the best way for us to relieve the frustrations that people feel around the political process—would be if we had greater participation that was more reflective of the day-to-day concerns that people have. Creating a national holiday for voting—which would give working people, parents, students, and the population at-large better poll access—has long been a policy proposal for voting rights activists who argue that single-day voting disenfranchises millions of people each year. Though not the only needed reform to lift turnout, experts argue (and evidence shows) it would go a long way toward expanding civic participation. As Common Dreams reported at the time, Sen. Sanders in 2014 proposed a national "Democracy Day" designed to increase turnout and as a direct counter to Republican-led efforts to suppress voting nationwide....In early 2015, Sanders submitted legislation—titled the 'Democracy Day Act of 2015'—that would officially "designate Election Day as a public holiday." Read more: http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/13/following-sanders-lead-obama-endorses-national-voting-holiday
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kadaholo | May 2016 | OP |
NewImproved Deal | May 2016 | #1 | |
Cryptoad | May 2016 | #24 | |
LS_Editor | May 2016 | #32 | |
brush | May 2016 | #54 | |
Rebkeh | May 2016 | #58 | |
brush | May 2016 | #62 | |
Rebkeh | May 2016 | #66 | |
IamMab | May 2016 | #64 | |
highprincipleswork | May 2016 | #2 | |
boobooday | May 2016 | #40 | |
highprincipleswork | May 2016 | #49 | |
boobooday | May 2016 | #82 | |
MattP | May 2016 | #3 | |
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newthinking | May 2016 | #6 | |
TwilightZone | May 2016 | #41 | |
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George II | May 2016 | #4 | |
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George II | May 2016 | #10 | |
Dawgs | May 2016 | #12 | |
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Javaman | May 2016 | #14 | |
Else You Are Mad | May 2016 | #21 | |
brush | May 2016 | #67 | |
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LonePirate | May 2016 | #29 | |
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:18 AM
NewImproved Deal (534 posts)
1. Thanks Mr. President! Thanks, Bernie!
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Response to NewImproved Deal (Reply #1)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:27 PM
Cryptoad (8,254 posts)
24. Thx u Prez Obama
but hate to tell u , Bern is not the lead on this idea... shame on yall for trying to portray as such. Such actions is just one more reason why Bern lost to Hillary!
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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #24)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:54 PM
LS_Editor (892 posts)
32. Did he?
When did that happen?
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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #24)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:28 PM
brush (43,105 posts)
54. Exactly. That idea has been out there for years. Sanders didn't originate that.
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Response to brush (Reply #54)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:40 PM
Rebkeh (2,450 posts)
58. Walking the Talk
Did any of you read the last paragraph of the O.P?
Sanders actually did something concrete in 2014. Credit is to be given where credit is due. |
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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #58)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:47 PM
brush (43,105 posts)
62. The talk has been walked years before by Conyers, Clinton and others
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Response to brush (Reply #62)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:54 PM
Rebkeh (2,450 posts)
66. I'm not saying they don't deserve credit
I'm saying Bernie deserves credit too.
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Response to Rebkeh (Reply #58)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:50 PM
IamMab (1,359 posts)
64. John Conyers from Michigan did the same thing back in 2005.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Day_(United_States)
Democracy Day is the tentative name of a possible federal holiday in the United States, proposed by Democratic Representative John Conyers of Michigan.
Conyers' proposed the holiday in Resolution (H.R.) 63 - Democracy Day Act of 2005. The bill called for the Tuesday after the first Monday in November of every even-numbered year, Election Day, to be a legal public holiday. The purpose of the holiday was to increase voter turnout by giving citizens more time to vote, as well as to allow for the opening of more polling places with more workers while raising awareness of the importance of voting and civic participation. There was a Senate version a year later. A companion resolution was introduced in the Senate on May 26, 2005 by Democratic Senator Debbie Stabenow of Michigan. It was co-sponsored by Democratic Senators Mary Landrieu of Louisiana and Carl Levin of Michigan. The companion resolution did not leave the Senate Committee on the Judiciary and has now also lapsed.
Where was Bernie?? Not cosponsoring any of this, obviously. |
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:22 AM
highprincipleswork (3,111 posts)
2. Obama reads the tea leaves better than most. Populism and Progressivism are in,
Third Way is out.
Whether or not there was a need and benefit to swing Rightward, in the days of Reagan and in the backwash afterwards, those days are gone. If this Democratic Party were to just learn from the success, win or lose, of the Bernie campaign, which admittedly came out of nowhere and either will still win or come close, they would be smart. I don't count on them to be smart, or do something new, but they should. Obama is doing a number of things that mirror this change in national mood, climate, and to be honest, national NEED. If the Democrats don't do it, Trump will steal their thunder by running to the Left on various issues and leave us in the lurch. Bernie supporters are out there en masse, and ripe for the including. But they can't be bought with idle promises. How about we prove to them that the Democratic Party is the party of the people again? Like I say, I'm cynical after years of Democrats messing around with Republican policies and Republican ideas. But all it takes is a minute to look around and see what time it is. It is time for a revolution, no matter what you call it. You don't have to call it that. You do have to show people you are going to take care of their needs, and we will win a landslide victory. Slip back into these same old tired Blue Dog tricks, and you will lose equally badly. |
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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #2)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:03 PM
boobooday (7,869 posts)
40. I agree with all you said here
It's time for the Democratic party to get democratic. If we don't have at least one party that represents the people we will have to start some new ones.
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Response to boobooday (Reply #40)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:16 PM
highprincipleswork (3,111 posts)
49. The beauty is in the ripeness of this fruit. In only the Democratic Party would see it and seize it
To be honest, for all my disappointment in how less than Progressive Obama has been on so many things, I look to him now for leadership on this thing. That is where some of my energy is going to go, towards convincing party leaders that this is the way to win in November, and to govern effectively, wisely, and with great popular appeal.. It seems perfectly clear. The days of Reagan are over. Obama's presidency has done a good job of at least severing that legacy. Now, let's take it further, and seize the momentum back in a Populist direction, and let's do it more and better than Trump aims to do it.
The severest irony would be if we don't go this way, and Trump wins at least partially by seizing the Populist mantle. |
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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #49)
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:47 PM
boobooday (7,869 posts)
82. I don't know if it is projection
But I've always felt Obama would have been much more progressive without the ridiculous political context we are living in.
The rumble started with Occupy and BLM. I work with college students so I am very optimistic about the future. They are ready to change it. |
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:23 AM
MattP (3,303 posts)
3. So i guess this 98 article was 16 years ahead of Bernie
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1998/10/should-election-day-be-a-holiday/305082/
People have been calling for this for decades to act like Bernie is ahead of the curve for calling for it in 2014 is naive at best |
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Response to MattP (Reply #3)
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:24 AM
BlueMTexpat (15,015 posts)
5. +1! eom
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Response to MattP (Reply #3)
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:27 AM
newthinking (3,982 posts)
6. So are you saying that Bernie being in this race and raising uncomfortable topics
has nothing to do with the MANY changes of positions and talking points coming out at this time.
I definitely see a link between timing and this election bringing attention to voting issues. That is not a cut on Obama. He is good at sensing when the tide has shifted and this indeed is a good time to move forward on this issue. |
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Response to MattP (Reply #3)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:04 PM
TwilightZone (21,542 posts)
41. Agreed. Also, as noted below, his 2014 bill was a reintroduction of Conyers' 2005 bill
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Response to MattP (Reply #3)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:06 PM
boobooday (7,869 posts)
44. The point is that no other presidential candidate
Is even addressing issues of our broken democratic process or bringing up reforms like election holidays and universal registration.
Nobody said it was his idea, obviously it is done in many other countries. |
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Response to boobooday (Reply #44)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:22 PM
TwilightZone (21,542 posts)
51. Well, except for Clinton, who has been doing it for decades.
Here, for example: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141448913#post42
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #51)
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:49 PM
boobooday (7,869 posts)
84. Then I hope she will speak up about the procedural nightmare that this primary season has been
That would be great.
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:24 AM
George II (67,782 posts)
4. This is not "Sanders' lead", this has been discussed for decades...
If it was Sanders' idea, why hasn't it been passed into law? He's been in a position to get that done for about 25 years.
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Response to George II (Reply #4)
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:29 AM
newthinking (3,982 posts)
8. Discussed but not moved forward. You are missing the point
There is definitely a link between Sanders and the attention that has been brought on the voting scene. This in turn has brought about the conditions and timing to actually attempt to move this forward.
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Response to newthinking (Reply #8)
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:32 AM
George II (67,782 posts)
10. Yes, not moved forward. Sanders was in the house for ~14 years, Senate 10 years. Did he....
..."move it forward"? This is the fallacy of Sanders as an effective legislator. He does a lot of talking but never follows through.
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Response to George II (Reply #10)
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:35 AM
Dawgs (14,755 posts)
12. Jesus Christ. You should re-read what you write before you post it.
It's embarrassing.
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Response to Dawgs (Reply #12)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:34 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
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Response to George II (Reply #10)
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:36 AM
mooseprime (474 posts)
13. that's all right
it'll be clinton's idea by nightfall
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Response to mooseprime (Reply #13)
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:46 AM
Javaman (59,812 posts)
14. +1 you know what her campaign slogan is right?
"yeah, me too!"
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Response to mooseprime (Reply #13)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:21 PM
Else You Are Mad (3,040 posts)
21. By nightfall?!
She probably will be claiming she has been championing this cause since '92.
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Response to mooseprime (Reply #13)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:56 PM
brush (43,105 posts)
67. She put forth a bill in 2005 on just that
So come on. It was not originate by Sanders.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141448913#post42 Conyers also introduced a similar bill years ago. |
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Response to George II (Reply #10)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:26 PM
Matt_in_STL (1,446 posts)
23. He has the Republican Congress that DWS stuck him with and it won't make it past their committee
Republicans aren't about to allow anything through that will increase participation in elections as that can only harm them. So, his bill moved nowhere. If only we had a DNC chairperson who realized there were more elections than just hers and Hillary's.
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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #23)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:48 PM
LonePirate (12,548 posts)
29. What about the Congress from 2009-2011?
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Response to LonePirate (Reply #29)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:55 PM
Scalded Nun (1,007 posts)
34. What about it?
Like that time frame worked out so well for single payer?
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Response to Scalded Nun (Reply #34)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:58 PM
LonePirate (12,548 posts)
35. Tell me how Republicans stopped the bill during those years when we controlled Congress.
I think you're making excuses instead of thinking through things.
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Response to Scalded Nun (Reply #34)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:02 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
38. Nice deflection. When in doubt, change the subject.
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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #23)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:01 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
37. Did he PROPOSE it? Saying it "wouldn't have passed anyway" doesn't fly as an excuse anymore.
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Response to George II (Reply #37)
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:01 PM
Matt_in_STL (1,446 posts)
86. Yes, he actually presented a bill to the committee in August
If you were really interested you could Google it.
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Response to George II (Reply #4)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:33 PM
Jitter65 (3,089 posts)
27. I know. Every idea that has been put out there before that progressives like is not Sander's idea.
I am getting a little sick of Sander's being pushed as the be all end all of progressives when, in fact, he has had years in Congress to push these ideas.
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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #27)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:54 PM
The Wielding Truth (11,342 posts)
33. These Ideas are not new but he is championing them. They are who he is.
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Response to The Wielding Truth (Reply #33)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:10 PM
TwilightZone (21,542 posts)
45. Clinton and Conyers were championing it in 2005. Sanders bill was a reintroduction of Conyers' bill
Sanders is not the only one who champions ideas like this.
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:29 AM
LisaM (26,592 posts)
7. After the 2000 election, Carter and Ford proposed this.
http://garyploski.com/make-election-day-a-national-holiday
A lot of people have wanted this for a long time. In what universe is this Bernie Sanders' idea? |
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:32 AM
onehandle (51,122 posts)
9. Hardly a new idea.
I'm all for it, but seriously...
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:32 AM
zentrum (9,836 posts)
11. This is the kind
…of thing that is the reason Bernie needs to stay in the race.
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Response to zentrum (Reply #11)
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:59 AM
appalachiablue (36,551 posts)
15. +1 Bernie Is Clearly Drawing Mass Attention to These Kinds of Issues, Thank Heaven.
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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #15)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:09 PM
zentrum (9,836 posts)
19. He's won already
…in this sense!
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Response to zentrum (Reply #19)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:18 PM
appalachiablue (36,551 posts)
20. Bernie has done a remarkable job of informing and motivating millions. Yes he's won!
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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #20)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:43 PM
Duval (4,280 posts)
28. +1!! nt
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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #20)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:17 PM
findrskeep (713 posts)
50. He absolutely has won already...
And if just by being in the race, he can project enough influence to inspire real change and inspire millions, just imagine what he could do as president. Go Bernie GO!!!
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Response to findrskeep (Reply #50)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:22 PM
appalachiablue (36,551 posts)
53. Inspiring, a fighter and a determined, hard worker. Great qualities to see in a president.
Feel the Bern!
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:59 AM
SomeGuyInEagan (1,515 posts)
16. Don't care whose idea it is ... just get it done
It is nice to see a sitting president comment on it, but wish - similar to Eisenhower's speech about the industrial military complex - we were reading this in year one of his first term.
Still, nice to see. |
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:06 PM
jwirr (39,215 posts)
17. Good.
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:08 PM
SheilaT (23,156 posts)
18. Let's see now, great idea for all you office workers.
Not such a great one for those who work retail, or in a hospital, or are firefighters, or any of the many jobs that aren't just 8-5 with weekends and holidays off.
First off, a lot of states will balk at making Election Day a holiday. Second off, outside of government jobs, most employees won't get that holiday, or if they do they'll be giving up some other one in its place. Third, just think about all the Election Day sales! Stores will open at 6am and close at midnight to take advantage of the holiday, and most of the sales clerks will be scheduled for ten hours. How will they get to vote? A far, far better solution is more advanced voting starting at least three weeks ahead of Election Day itself. And a rolling back of the bullshit voter ID laws. Make it easier to vote, not harder. I'm lucky that I currently live in a state with very good advance voting, and if I ever move again you can be sure I'll look at that as one of my determiners of where to go. |
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Response to SheilaT (Reply #18)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:52 PM
0rganism (23,557 posts)
30. are you serious?
by that reasoning, should we just scrap national holidays altogether? never mind that the clerk who has to work a national holiday at least gets overtime pay (i got triple pay for holiday work back when i worked retail) and at least benefits from that.
the advance voting idea is a good one, but as you may have noticed, "a lot of states will balk" at having extended advance voting (or have a tendency to revoke the advance voting they already had in place), just as they seek to increase voter ID laws rather than rolling them back. this situation is a result of the asinine owning-class-favoring system we have in place now. i think we'd find making election day a national holiday at the federal level will put an incredible amount of pressure on state legislatures not to stand in the way of either the holiday or (more importantly) the voting itself. in Oregon, we have vote-by-mail, so we get our ballots a few weeks in advance but we had to bust ass with a Republican-opposed ballot measure to get it, and it doesn't do a damn thing to help the people of Idaho or Nevada. addressing this at a federal level with a national voting holiday will help nearly everyone, and taking 1 single November Tuesday off is a small price to pay for the benefits. |
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Response to 0rganism (Reply #30)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:40 PM
Cosmocat (13,986 posts)
57. It would help marginally
and I am supportive of most anything that will help even in a small way.
The post you responded to does make some good points. But, honestly if it was a national holiday, people would probably use a vacation day on Monday to get a four day weekend and not even be in town for the election ... |
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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #57)
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:35 PM
0rganism (23,557 posts)
76. how people use a holiday is up to them
but if it's a national holiday, just maybe there won't be an evening rush at the polls, and people won't be stuck waiting in line until midnight to cast a "provisional ballot". if voting isn't that much of a priority for a particular person and they'd rather spend another day at the beach, then so be it -- they're still participating in the event, in their own way. it's up to those seeking election to generate enthusiasm for their respective candidacies.
if it helps a little, that's great. if it helps a lot, even better. after all these years of hearing about how we're not supposed to "make the perfect the enemy of the good" i don't see any grounds to oppose this idea on the basis that not everyone would benefit from it and not everyone would use the holiday to vote. i think there are a lot of voters and would-be voters who would greatly appreciate such a holiday. i don't celebrate Christmas myself, but i sure don't mind people taking time off for it. |
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Response to 0rganism (Reply #30)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:52 PM
Buzz cook (2,401 posts)
65. never mind that the clerk who has to work a national holiday
Nope sorry. Most retail and restaurant employees don't get overtime for holiday work.
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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #65)
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:26 PM
0rganism (23,557 posts)
74. sorry, thought at least that much was pretty standard
but even if it's not, it's still not a strong argument against having election day as a federal holiday
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Response to SheilaT (Reply #18)
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:38 PM
Retrograde (8,666 posts)
79. I agree with your counterproposal: extend the voting period
so it's not just the one day: make it easier to vote by mail, as my state also does, encourage early voting, have multiple polling places for early voting, ability to vote at any polling place in one's county (the one thing Maricopa county did right in the recent presidential primary IMHO), abolish requirements for voter ids at the polls, at least for long-time voters. And as a side effect it will make it more difficult for pollsters and media outlets eager to fill time to call projected winners based on little information.
The problem with picking one national day for voting is, which day? Pick a weekday, and businesses will complain about loss of revenue. Pick a weekend day and you'll hear religious objections from some. And there will always be those who'll claim it's one of the few days they can spend with their families. It seems like people in government who advocate a special voting holiday don't seem to realize that the non-government world works a 7X24 schedule - unlike Congress. Now, another federal holiday itself isn't a bad idea (there's a long stretch between President's Day and Memorial Day that could use one or two), but I don't think it's a modern solution to voter turnout issues. |
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:22 PM
Else You Are Mad (3,040 posts)
22. It may not be Sanders idea...
BUT he is the person responsible for making it an issue known by the common folk that don't follow politics. And, that is a good thing.
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Response to Else You Are Mad (Reply #22)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:29 PM
Cryptoad (8,254 posts)
26. Majority of people in this Country
do not have a clue who the hell Bern is. That Idea has been around for a long time with several states having adopted the idea long ago.
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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #26)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:42 PM
Contrary1 (12,629 posts)
59. Unfortunately for Hillary,
many people in this country have lots of clues as to who she is.
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Response to Contrary1 (Reply #59)
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:50 PM
Cryptoad (8,254 posts)
80. Cost of the Fiddler.,,,,,
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:28 PM
snort (2,334 posts)
25. Oregon Whoot!
I voted for Bernie by mail and it was easy squeezy. This is the way it should be done everywhere.
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:53 PM
beastie boy (4,701 posts)
31. In related news: Following John Conyers' lead, Sander proposes a National Voting Holiday
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Response to beastie boy (Reply #31)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:01 PM
TwilightZone (21,542 posts)
36. Well, maybe Sanders gave him the idea!
I'm joking.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #36)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:03 PM
beastie boy (4,701 posts)
39. Whew, I am glad I opened your post.
I was this close to writing another snarky remark on the subject!
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Response to beastie boy (Reply #39)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:05 PM
TwilightZone (21,542 posts)
43. Yeah, sorry.
I was being a little snarky myself. haha
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:05 PM
workinclasszero (28,270 posts)
42. Count Every Vote Act of 2005.....Sen. Clinton, Hillary Rodham [D-NY] (Introduced 02/17/2005)
Count Every Vote Act of 2005
109th Congress (2005-2006) Sponsor: Sen. Clinton, Hillary Rodham (Introduced 02/17/2005) Committees: Senate - Rules and Administration Introduced in Senate (02/17/2005) Count Every Vote Act of 2005 - Amends the Help America Vote Act of 2002 with respect to: (1) requirements for voter verification and manual audit capacity; (2) accessibiliity of the voting system for language minority individuals in a manner that provides the same opportunity for access, participation, inspection, and verification as for other voters; (3) prohibition of the use of undisclosed software and of wireless communication devices in voting systems; (4) certification of software and hardware used in electronic voting systems; (5) security standards for manufacturers of voting systems used in Federal elections; (6) mandatory recounts; (7) study, testing, and development of best practices to enhance accessibility and voter verification mechanisms for disabled voters; (8) voter verification and audit capacity funding; (9) security consultation services; (10) casting and counting of provisional ballots; (11) minimum required voting systems, poll workers, and election resources; (12) remedial plans for States with excessive voter wait times; (13) absentee voting; (14) public reports on Federal elections; (15) training of election officials; (16) impartial administration of elections; (17) standards for purging voters; (18) election day registration and early voting; (19) voter registration and identification; (20) prohibition of certain campaign activities; (21) voting rights of individuals convicted of criminal offenses; (22) election day as a public holiday; and (23) the Election Assistance Commission. https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/senate-bill/450 |
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #42)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:12 PM
Ebbegirl (23 posts)
46. Boom!!
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #42)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:13 PM
TwilightZone (21,542 posts)
47. But, I was told that Clinton has done everything she can to oppress voters!
That bill is a pretty funny way to get that accomplished. One would think it would have done the exact opposite, in fact.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #47)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:38 PM
workinclasszero (28,270 posts)
56. IKR?
Well I'm just glad that Bernie has finally caught up to where Hillary was years and years ago.
Bout time Bernie, what took you so long? |
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #42)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:14 PM
LisaM (26,592 posts)
48. This!
Thanks for finding this.
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #42)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:46 PM
SunSeeker (47,487 posts)
61. ^^^THIS^^^
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #42)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:56 PM
lunamagica (9,967 posts)
69. BOOM! Thank you, Workingclasszero!
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #42)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:59 PM
NurseJackie (42,862 posts)
70. Ah-ha! EXPOSED: Another myth about Bernie Sanders DESTROYED!!
Thanks for posting this!
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #42)
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:33 PM
sheshe2 (76,677 posts)
75. Thread Winner!
Fantastic.
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:22 PM
kstewart33 (6,551 posts)
52. Excellent! nt
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:45 PM
abelenkpe (9,933 posts)
60. So would this be for every election?
Primaries and mid terms? Those have the lowest turnout.
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:48 PM
liberal N proud (59,249 posts)
63. Following Sanders' the sun came up today
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:56 PM
sufrommich (22,871 posts)
68. FFS. The idea of having a National Holiday for voting was
actually being advocated by Obama supporters to commemorate the election of the first black president in 2008. Maybe using Common Dreams as a legitimate news source was your first mistake.
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Response to sufrommich (Reply #68)
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:11 PM
workinclasszero (28,270 posts)
72. You mean Common Dreams is totally in the tank for BS?
Who knew?
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:02 PM
NastyRiffraff (12,448 posts)
71. Sanders came up with the idea of public education
and public libraries.
the Constitution The Declaration of Independence Congress Free Speech And of course... DEMOCRACY ITSELF! All St Bernie. All by himself. Nobody else. |
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:20 PM
afertal (148 posts)
73. Great idea and thanks, but..
I still think an even bigger problem is with the primary process. Why do we have over 100 different ways (50 states times two parties) of running primaries and drag it out over six months. The only thing consistent about these methods is that independents face additional hurdles that members of the two established parties do not. Great for protecting the status quo. What a country!
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:36 PM
JCMach1 (26,801 posts)
77. Make it a 4 day mandatory holiday Sat-Tues. with voting all 4 days.
Even 'essential' employs would have to have one of those days off.
Force states to open the polls all 4 days! |
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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #77)
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:37 PM
0rganism (23,557 posts)
78. now THAT would be pretty damn sweet n/t
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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #77)
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:22 PM
LisaM (26,592 posts)
88. You're going to force states to keep their offices open all weekend?
I'm all for a national voting holiday, but I think the idea of forcing states to keep their government offices open for an entire weekend is dead in the water.
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:12 PM
passiveporcupine (8,175 posts)
81. How is a national day for voting going to help much
when there are so many different days that people vote? Primaries are just as important (maybe more so) as general elections. We need to change the constitution so that all states have to vote by mail, like Oregon. Then the days they vote can still be different by state, but nobody has to lose time from work or struggle to get to a voting booth for all the smaller elections. This would put an end to caucuses too.
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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #81)
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:54 PM
apnu (8,632 posts)
85. It allows people in crap wage jobs time off to vote.
Anything that gets more people to the polls is a good idea. The reason why our candidates often suck so much is so few of the electorate show up at the pools. In 2008 we had a record turnout. Of 235 million eligible voters, 120 million showed up, that turn out was 54.9% of eligible voters. That's pathetic!
See Wikipedia for all the depressing stats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections Anything that gets Americans to the polls with pride is a good thing. |
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Response to apnu (Reply #85)
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:05 PM
passiveporcupine (8,175 posts)
87. I understand it will help on "the day",
Which I assume means Nov 4th, but is that every year? We don't have elections every year?
And what about all the other elections that don't take place on Nov 4th, like the primaries? I'm not saying it won't help, but I don't think it will help as much as if we automatically register eligible voters, and let everyone vote by mail. |
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Response to kadaholo (Original post)
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:48 PM
apnu (8,632 posts)
83. I love this idea. I don't care who backs it when, let get it done!
Who cares who had the idea first? What is this kindergarten? This is a brilliant idea and it should matter who or when they came on board with hit.
Election day should be a national holiday, we should take civic pride and show civic action as a sign of our patriotism, not fetishizing the military and cops from our couches. By "we" and "our" I mean all of America, not just people on DU. |
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