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brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:01 PM Apr 2016

Sanders Defends Decision to Speak at Vatican Amid NY Contest

Source: ABC News

Bernie Sanders said Wednesday he would regret refusing an invitation to attend a Vatican conference this week that takes him off the campaign trail just days before the critical New York presidential primary.

Sanders has a 10-minute speaking slot Friday at the conference organized by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which serves a role at the Holy See similar to a think-tank. Dozens of speakers will commemorate the 25th anniversary of "Centesimus Annus," a high-level teaching document by Pope John Paul II on the economy and social justice at the end of the Cold War.

"I obviously would not be leaving in the middle of a very hard-fought primary here if this were not an opportunity that comes once in a lifetime," he said in a phone interview. "I am deeply impressed by the commitment of the pope to speak out about economic and social and environmental injustice and I would be kicking myself if I refused this opportunity."

The chancellor for the pontifical academy, Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, has said he invited Sanders because the Democratic senator from Vermont was the only U.S. presidential candidate who showed deep interest in the teachings of Pope Francis. The pope is not expected to attend the conference.


Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/sanders-defends-decision-speak-vatican-amid-ny-contest-38370179



If running for President isn't the top priority for someone who IS running for President, maybe they should reconsider...
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Sanders Defends Decision to Speak at Vatican Amid NY Contest (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2016 OP
LOL trumad Apr 2016 #1
It just keeps getting worser and worser. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #11
It really does! How dare Sanders get such an honor. Duval Apr 2016 #74
I would think that someone in Hillary's campaign should be fired for this... Walk away Apr 2016 #85
Hillary has enough sense not to go overseas to an obscure conference in the middle of the most . . . brush Apr 2016 #104
Ya because talking about economic and social and environmental injustice on a world stage is bad awake Apr 2016 #14
Uh huh... trumad Apr 2016 #21
I guess that is the diffarance awake Apr 2016 #33
"Speaking on the world stage"? Do you know anything about this conference? George II Apr 2016 #119
It's called pandering. AlbertCat Apr 2016 #65
Yawn trumad Apr 2016 #91
Yes... AlbertCat Apr 2016 #93
It would be if Hillary were to do it. dchill Apr 2016 #79
Sanders was not invited -- JanetLovesObama Apr 2016 #102
Keep telling yourself that. dchill Apr 2016 #103
They think if they tell TM99 Apr 2016 #106
Keep lying - it's what we expect now. I'll never believe another word from you people. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #136
So if there's a political aspect to the trip, it's pandering... thesquanderer Apr 2016 #138
This conference has been going on for years - has it ever been covered by world media? LisaM Apr 2016 #63
Now it will be. JackRiddler Apr 2016 #71
what world stage ? drray23 Apr 2016 #98
Exactly. okasha Apr 2016 #108
Yeah, cuz none of the other spots are 10-15min, oh wait... revbones Apr 2016 #17
They are, aren't they? beastie boy Apr 2016 #28
Yep all of them. nt revbones Apr 2016 #55
Really? RiverNoord Apr 2016 #32
Spot on! Meteor Man Apr 2016 #40
It's called desperation. n/t RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #47
+100. Duval Apr 2016 #69
.that^ X100 840high Apr 2016 #95
And he won't even be paid 200K for it! What a loser! Helen Borg Apr 2016 #41
! Mojorabbit Apr 2016 #46
lol :) fbc Apr 2016 #56
I bet the transcripts will be available in real time too. Lordquinton Apr 2016 #123
And there'll be no need for a white noise machine. Petrushka Apr 2016 #128
Should be interesting Thursday nite. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #44
clinton flies first class to watch a low IQ man executed SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #127
Your ignorance is legendary. GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #59
If he turned down the invite, you'd just say. "How dare he!" pangaia Apr 2016 #78
His campaign wrankled the invite. There wouldn't have been an invite if not for that little detail. brush Apr 2016 #107
It's called being human deacon_sephiroth Apr 2016 #132
It is his choice to go or not. Pros and cons. He's weighed them, he's going. Ciao. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #2
Apparently he's staying for all of day 2, he said he'd be gone for 40 hours. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #3
Will Hillary still be on the wet coast at the $350,000 @ person fundraiser? awake Apr 2016 #16
Go Bernie liberal from boston Apr 2016 #53
Thanks for the link and Go Bernie! Duval Apr 2016 #77
NY is almost in the rear view mirror. Bernard has California on his mind. Run Bernie Run!!! dinkytron Apr 2016 #4
Is that a concession speech? beastie boy Apr 2016 #29
Are you kidding? No way. Bernie wins NY. Gentleman's bet. dinkytron Apr 2016 #99
As if he needs to, or something. Next thing you know they will asking how he is getting there. silvershadow Apr 2016 #5
can you imagine the headlines if he'd chosen not to go? lol azurnoir Apr 2016 #6
Yep. "Bernie SNUBS the Pope!". Front page around the world. Suddenly these same folks silvershadow Apr 2016 #7
seems we have Bart Simpsons paradox here-damned if ya do damned if ya don't azurnoir Apr 2016 #8
That's exactly the case. A lose-lose proposition. beastie boy Apr 2016 #26
The fact that you acknowledge that "the other camp" would lie and claim he snubbed the pope Corporate666 Apr 2016 #125
His surrogate GOT him the invite. He wasn't originally even invited KittyWampus Apr 2016 #112
they already have (sigh...) flor-de-jasmim Apr 2016 #39
another unforced error by Bernie redstateblues Apr 2016 #9
I'm thinking this whole fiasco didn't turn out as well as he'd hoped it would. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #12
When Nixon was having trouble at home stopbush Apr 2016 #64
he went to China. AlbertCat Apr 2016 #73
Blah, blah, Sanders stump speech, yawn stopbush Apr 2016 #75
He was president, remember? Not running and ducking out from a tough primary. brush Apr 2016 #109
Say Hi to the Pope for us if he drops by Senator Sanders! Sunlei Apr 2016 #10
Well, you know what they say... disillusioned73 Apr 2016 #13
Thank you for this uplifting graphic scottie10 Apr 2016 #15
Normally the constant faux scandals annoy me. RichVRichV Apr 2016 #68
Love the "10 min. speaking slot"...LOL! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #18
A definite plus for his "foreign affairs" portfolio AlbertCat Apr 2016 #76
Oh boy, our own Bosnia! Zephyrbag Apr 2016 #94
wait. I thought he wasn't even going to speak Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #122
It wouldn't matter if Bernie had been invited to the Second Coming... Plucketeer Apr 2016 #19
Lots of butt hurt in that small group. bvar22 Apr 2016 #23
I have a hard time even talking about these people anymore. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #129
Oh don't be ridiculous! Of course it would have mattered if it were the second coming! beastie boy Apr 2016 #36
Maybe it's because Madam Mossfern Apr 2016 #61
Maybe it's because he cares. Or maybe it is for publicity. Or maybe because he cares about publicity beastie boy Apr 2016 #72
I don't see that in this particular thread. Madam Mossfern Apr 2016 #83
I am OK with being mean spirited to mean spirited people. beastie boy Apr 2016 #90
I haven't threatened that Madam Mossfern Apr 2016 #97
I need loyal Democrats to win beastie boy Apr 2016 #118
Ahhh . . . guess he cares about that more than RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT! brush Apr 2016 #111
Are you a Clinton supporter? Madam Mossfern Apr 2016 #135
That's a silly criticism. dogman Apr 2016 #20
Silly is as silly does !!! nt dorkzilla Apr 2016 #50
"You're meeting with the Pope?" "Yup". stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #22
AND Hill will be in Hong Kong at a fucking fundraiser with a former Goldman exec SoapBox Apr 2016 #24
This is quite an ignorant post. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #25
you could not have said it better. Kick & REC!!! still_one Apr 2016 #34
Clinton won't be in Hong Kong. Only her campaign's CFO will. AlbertCat Apr 2016 #81
there are Americans in Hong Kong nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #82
there are Americans in Hong Kong AlbertCat Apr 2016 #86
He's not meeting with them. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #89
You mean Gensler will be bvf Apr 2016 #120
Nah, Hillary’s at a $350k/couple fundraiser with George Clooney and other 1%ers in San Fran riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #60
Hillary is sending her bag man to Hong Kong. frylock Apr 2016 #70
If Hillary had been invited, she would have gone. Vinca Apr 2016 #27
Yeah, he should be before his corporate overlords begging for money... like Hillary will be doing. Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #30
yup still_one Apr 2016 #31
IF fixing the world is not the top priority of the candidate jwirr Apr 2016 #35
The irony is getting kind of thick. RichVRichV Apr 2016 #84
Exactly. jwirr Apr 2016 #92
K and R for Bernie! And a lol @ your comment. riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #37
I SMELL FEAR ON YOU MisterP Apr 2016 #38
Collision course! Helen Borg Apr 2016 #43
Yeppers Meteor Man Apr 2016 #45
Personality cultists.[n/t] Maedhros Apr 2016 #49
Childish Ad Hominem Meteor Man Apr 2016 #100
it just sounds STUPID--"he shouldn't accept a Vatican invite! it's not presidential! MisterP Apr 2016 #54
He is coming into the convention almost as important as Hillary... beastie boy Apr 2016 #52
I heard from a reliable source RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #42
If economic, social and environmental justice are not the candidate's top priorities, Maedhros Apr 2016 #48
And it isn't even THIS Pope BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #51
lol LiberalLovinLug Apr 2016 #57
HAHAHAHAHA DebbieCDC Apr 2016 #67
It cracks me up seeing Clinton supporters losing their damn minds over this Scootaloo Apr 2016 #58
It's kinda pitiful. Duval Apr 2016 #88
It's pitiful watching Sanders supporter in such denial over how crappy a campaign KittyWampus Apr 2016 #113
Get it all out Scootaloo Apr 2016 #121
I'm glad he is going. OkSustainAg Apr 2016 #62
Look, Sanders knows that he's going to lose NY and lose it big. stopbush Apr 2016 #66
As a Hillary supporter, I applaud Sanders for accepting the invite to speak. Gman Apr 2016 #80
Maybe he should take a few more days out or NY State? The jet-lag can be murder... brooklynite Apr 2016 #115
Only out of concern for his health Gman Apr 2016 #117
THE NEXT SYSTEM . ORG SisterSarah Apr 2016 #87
Lame Kalidurga Apr 2016 #96
I wouldn't pass up an expenses-paid trip to Rome, either. RandySF Apr 2016 #101
And who precisely IS paying for JanetLovesObama Apr 2016 #110
I've been asking RandySF Apr 2016 #116
And the answer to that question is relevant to you... why? thesquanderer Apr 2016 #139
I am interviewing for a job, but have the opportunity to go to Italy liberal N proud Apr 2016 #105
gee whats' next, a critique of his penny loafers -- desperation beyond belief stupidicus Apr 2016 #114
LOL Lordquinton Apr 2016 #124
For shame .. how low can you go.. spin baby spin.. your tactics are berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #126
He should just do it by Skype. nt SunSeeker Apr 2016 #130
Kick! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #131
If running for President isn't the top priority for someone who IS running for President... deacon_sephiroth Apr 2016 #133
I was confused at first deacon_sephiroth Apr 2016 #134
Bernie is certainly capable enough to walk, talk, speak at the Vatican and run for President all at FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #137
re: "If running for President isn't the top priority..." thesquanderer Apr 2016 #140
Here's something else that could be a higher priority for him than being president... principle. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #141
 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
74. It really does! How dare Sanders get such an honor.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:57 PM
Apr 2016

Admit it, if it were Clinton you'd be showering her with even more praise.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
85. I would think that someone in Hillary's campaign should be fired for this...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:07 PM
Apr 2016

expensive and extremely time consuming waste of time.
I'm sure Hillary could request an audience with the Pope and be a welcome guest. She has met and spoken to a previous Pope. But at this point in a presidential campaign it just looks like a failed attempt at using a beloved religious leader as a pawn to gain votes.

brush

(53,764 posts)
104. Hillary has enough sense not to go overseas to an obscure conference in the middle of the most . . .
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:26 PM
Apr 2016

important, make-or-break primary to date. She wouldn't even consider it.

Someone is giving Sanders horrible advice.

awake

(3,226 posts)
14. Ya because talking about economic and social and environmental injustice on a world stage is bad
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:41 PM
Apr 2016

Of course a politician who is in the back pocket of the wall street banks would think economic and social and environmental injustice is a wast of time. Some time I wonder if this site should be renamed the New Republican Underground for all of the right wing anti social justice sh*t that is posted here.

awake

(3,226 posts)
33. I guess that is the diffarance
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:39 PM
Apr 2016

Speaking on the world stage on the needs of ordinary people is pandering while hanging out with millionaires and get her picture taken with rich doners is what, helping the poor?

Do you even give a damn about social and economic justice? Or is the only thing that maters to you is getting Hillary a victory? Bernie is willing to take the time to prompt his ideas on how to help others even if it means leaving his campaign for 40 hrs. I feel that all that Hillary cares about is herself and her friends in the 1%.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
65. It's called pandering.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:50 PM
Apr 2016

We know Hillary's been pandering around the country.

That must be why you think speaking to an international audience in another country is also somehow "pandering" in a US pre-election primary.

You'd think an ex-SoS would understand its importance ...beyond "pandering".

You'd think.... Maybe she does. But her supporters....

It's so pitiful, trying to turn this into something negative for Sanders. Desperation.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
93. Yes...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:29 PM
Apr 2016

Ethics and integrity are a big "Yawn" with Hillary supporters.

I've gotten two "yawns" from different Hilbots!

Is "yawn" the agree upon dismissal when you don't have an leg to stand on today? Replacing "LOL" ?

 

JanetLovesObama

(548 posts)
102. Sanders was not invited --
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:24 PM
Apr 2016

he requested an invitation and some Bishop sent him one. Why does he keep saying he was invited?

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
106. They think if they tell
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:29 PM
Apr 2016

the big lie long enough some will start to believe them.

It is an old dirty trick so of course the Clinton Machine does it.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
138. So if there's a political aspect to the trip, it's pandering...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:36 PM
Apr 2016

...and if it's not political at all, it's a useless time-wasting distraction from his campaign.

So no matter what answer he would give, it's wrong, is that the idea?

LisaM

(27,802 posts)
63. This conference has been going on for years - has it ever been covered by world media?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:43 PM
Apr 2016

I don't think so.

drray23

(7,627 posts)
98. what world stage ?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:47 PM
Apr 2016

Its an obscure academic conference organized by one of the vatican academies. Not exactly well known. It is only in the news now because Bernie is going there.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
108. Exactly.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:31 PM
Apr 2016

No TV, no meeting with the Pope, who will be on the way to Greece. About a week later, Sandoro Sanchez will be transferred to the most obscure posting the Pope can think of. Francis does not take kindly to attempts to drag himself or the Vatican into American politics.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
32. Really?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:39 PM
Apr 2016

This is some sort of laughing matter, and a 'fucking Disaster,' in terms of how it reflects on Bernie Sanders?

I recall a great many supporters of Hillary Clinton decrying Sanders' choice not to attend the 2016 AIPAC policy conference. Apparently, attendance is mandatory for American politicians.

AIPAC is a lobbying group dedicated to organizing Jewish Americans to spend lots of money to influence our foreign and military policy so that it aligns with the interests of the government of Israel. I was amazed at the time that the first Jewish presidential candidate in the United States with a substantial chance of winning was apparently a dick for choosing not to attend. Hell, he even spent a period of time in Isreali Kibbutzes as a youth. None of that, his ethnic background or considerable experience with Israel, qualified him to make a decision about associating or not associating with a powerful Israeli lobbying group.

On the other hand, Bernie Sanders has accepted a Vatican invitation to a conference on issues of global social and economic justice. Apparently this is really funny to people like you. Why? Isn't the comparison between the AIPAC conference and this one particularly telling about Bernie Sanders' character? On the one hand, military and (increasingly problematic for us) diplomatic support for a country with some very serious human rights issues, and, on the other hand, examining the implications of extreme wealth inequality throughout the world.

He's apparently going because it's personally very meaningful for him. Again, I find this highly informative on the subject of his character. Hillary Clinton has 'earned' millions of dollars in the brief time since her tenure as Secretary of State by giving one-hour speeches to very powerful commercial organizations. I also find this highly informative on the subject of her character.

I guess I'm a bit funny on questions of values and money. I grew up on a North Dakota farm. I learned what a good day's (or week's, or month's) work is. When there's work to do, and it's got to get done, you do it. And I never was left wanting on the subject of whether I'd earned my keep or not. Later in life I became a lawyer. For years, I made more money than I believed I merited doing a lot of stuff that I had a hard time contemplating as 'work.' There were times when I would congratulate myself for handling a matter with particular skill, but I never, ever felt that I had put in a good day's work. Today, I wouldn't take an excessive amount of money that I knew was way, way more than the value of what I'd done for it. (No, I'm not rich by any means - still have a negative net worth with a considerable student loan debt and a modest salary as an IT manager - but I do earn my keep.)

If a bunch of rich folks wanted to give me a couple hundred grand to speak for an hour, I'd never get past the question of 'what's this really about, 'cuz no one's hour of talk is worth that kind of money?' But not Hillary Clinton - she's done it again and again.

And Bernie Sanders isn't getting paid to speak and listen at a conference about income inequality and social justice. But he's going, because it matters to him.

I can see where you would prefer the 'I'll give speeches for loads of money' candidate to the 'I'll give a brief speech and listen to others discussing the problems of income inequality' candidate. Wait - no, I really, really don't see that at all.

Meteor Man

(385 posts)
40. Spot on!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:51 PM
Apr 2016

The faux criticism of Bernie's invitation, flight arrangements, speaking time, not meeting the Pope, etc.,etc., etc. is ludicrous beyond belief.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
69. +100.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:54 PM
Apr 2016

I am beginning to believe that her supporters don't want to understand Bernie. Tunnel vision should always be avoided, lest one makes a gross error in judgment. Kinda like someone else I know who is running.


LiberalFighter

(50,888 posts)
44. Should be interesting Thursday nite.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:57 PM
Apr 2016

Will Secret Service be flying with him too? I wonder what the logistics are for that?

brush

(53,764 posts)
107. His campaign wrankled the invite. There wouldn't have been an invite if not for that little detail.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:30 PM
Apr 2016

deacon_sephiroth

(731 posts)
132. It's called being human
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:21 AM
Apr 2016

he's a good person with a conscience. He does what he thinks and feels is RIGHT. I know that's hard to understand. I know you've been conditioned to see these PEOPLE as poll driven election robots that act only in the interest of money and power, but Bernie Sanders is a flesh and blood human that's been working his whole life to try and change his little corner of the world for the better. I know it's difficult for you to imagine that the reasons he's giving and the things he's saying are the simple TRUTH, but that's who he is and how he works. We understand him, and it was very very very simple to do. He's real. I'm sure this is entirely alien and unelectable to you and I'm sorry for that. I'm sorry the revolution involves real people. If it were electa-bots it wouldn't be a revolution.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. Apparently he's staying for all of day 2, he said he'd be gone for 40 hours.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:07 PM
Apr 2016

so not one, but two whole days off the campaign trail.

And no Pope photo.

awake

(3,226 posts)
16. Will Hillary still be on the wet coast at the $350,000 @ person fundraiser?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:43 PM
Apr 2016

No worry there will be plenty of "photo ops" with George and his Hollywood friends.

53. Go Bernie
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:09 PM
Apr 2016

Amazing that Bernie is receiving support overseas. Great day for Senator Sanders --received endorsement from the NY Transit Union, walked in the picket line, gave a wonderful speech to Union members. Also Senator Jeff Merkley {D} from Oregon endorsed Bernie . Link to London Rally. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280169161

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
5. As if he needs to, or something. Next thing you know they will asking how he is getting there.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:09 PM
Apr 2016


His choice, he's made it, and I can live with it. If I were invited, God knows I would go.
 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
7. Yep. "Bernie SNUBS the Pope!". Front page around the world. Suddenly these same folks
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:16 PM
Apr 2016

that are dissing him in thread after thread would be flat-out with thread after thread: He was invited by the Pope, They were supposed to break bread, even...Bernie skips golf outing with the Pope. And the 10-minute speech? I can't even begin.

Corporate666

(587 posts)
125. The fact that you acknowledge that "the other camp" would lie and claim he snubbed the pope
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:22 AM
Apr 2016

means that you acknowledge that he lied when he said he was going to meet the pope.

I watched him lie with my own eyes - so did many others.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
112. His surrogate GOT him the invite. He wasn't originally even invited
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:39 PM
Apr 2016

until his campaign decided to pander.

brush

(53,764 posts)
109. He was president, remember? Not running and ducking out from a tough primary.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:33 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:02 AM - Edit history (1)

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
68. Normally the constant faux scandals annoy me.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:54 PM
Apr 2016

But this time I'm just laughing at how riled up all the Hillary supporters are, as if this is in any way a bad thing.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
18. Love the "10 min. speaking slot"...LOL!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:55 PM
Apr 2016

What a balls-up. Nearly 10,000 air miles round trip with his retinue, for a 10 min. after-thought up-down, Hi/Bye gig.

No meet and greet with His Holiness (i.e. the Pope, not St. Bernardo), so no photo op.

I FLEW 10,000 MILES AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS VATICAN POST CARD OF ST. PETER'S!



A definite plus for his "foreign affairs" portfolio--should really bulk up his "international" experience.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
76. A definite plus for his "foreign affairs" portfolio
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:59 PM
Apr 2016

Yeah...


we all noticed the former SoS wasn't invited.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
19. It wouldn't matter if Bernie had been invited to the Second Coming...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:01 PM
Apr 2016

the Bots would make lite of it. I'm betting her highness has never even TALKED to a homeless person - one living in a cardboard box. I mean - they probably don't vote (or can afford a $22K dinner), so why bother???

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
23. Lots of butt hurt in that small group.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:26 PM
Apr 2016

They just can not let it go.
I guess Hillary's invitation was lost in the mail.

I am grateful that Bernie's political positions are recognized and lauded around the World.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
129. I have a hard time even talking about these people anymore.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 03:11 AM
Apr 2016

The only things I have left to say would get me banned instantly. But I do know that I'll never make common cause with these people. That would take more self-loathing than I possss. I suspect I'm not alone. We'll see.

beastie boy

(9,310 posts)
36. Oh don't be ridiculous! Of course it would have mattered if it were the second coming!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:44 PM
Apr 2016

But ten minutes and no pope?...

BWAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Madam Mossfern

(2,340 posts)
61. Maybe it's because
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:38 PM
Apr 2016

it's something he cares about and not for publicity?

Do you understand how small minded, mean spirited and juvenile you comments are?
How does that help Hillary? Remember, she'll need Sanders supporters' votes if she becomes the nominee.

beastie boy

(9,310 posts)
72. Maybe it's because he cares. Or maybe it is for publicity. Or maybe because he cares about publicity
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:57 PM
Apr 2016

Either way it's a lose-lose proposition.

He already made a fool of himself with all the talk about the pope. he will make a bigger fool of himself if he actually leaves for two days in the middle of the campaign.

He will preach to a small crowd of the converted (figuratively speaking) for ten minutes. It will be a purely symbolic trip not affecting anything Bernie cares so much about. Not much to show for a two day trip. So my case for a publicity stunt is pretty strong.

Does this make me small minded and Juvenile? Not as much as Bernie. The decision was his.

Mean spirited? You bet! DU is full of mean spirited posters, most of them Bernie supporters.

Madam Mossfern

(2,340 posts)
83. I don't see that in this particular thread.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:04 PM
Apr 2016

Interesting to know that you think it's OK to be mean spirited.
Just don't rely on those votes in November.

beastie boy

(9,310 posts)
90. I am OK with being mean spirited to mean spirited people.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:13 PM
Apr 2016

i see nothing terrible in it.

And all those votes in November? Who is counting on you? Bernie is not a Democrat and his supporters aren't either. You've been threatening to not vote for Hillary for months, and I, for one, took your threats seriously.

Madam Mossfern

(2,340 posts)
97. I haven't threatened that
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:38 PM
Apr 2016

but I have advised of what the consequences of burning your bridges after you cross them. You need Sanders supporters to win, whether they are "Democrats" or not. Me? I'm the chair of my Town's Democratic Committee - don't tell me that I'm not a Democrat. That's just more of your silliness.

beastie boy

(9,310 posts)
118. I need loyal Democrats to win
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:29 PM
Apr 2016

Not someone "advising" me of the consequences of Bernie not winning the nomination. Besides, I didn't mean you personally. I was talking about those Sandernistas who are playing revolutionaries on DU and moaning on a regular basis that they will never, EVER, cross their hearts and hope to die, vote for Hillary. You may or may not be among them, which doesn't matter anyway. It is the general tenor of the Sandernistas that pisses me off.

Oh, and I am a secret agent with a license to kill, a black belt in Aikido, a Nobel laureate in astrophysics and third in line to the throne of Brunei. So I am not too impressed with your DU credentials.

brush

(53,764 posts)
111. Ahhh . . . guess he cares about that more than RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:36 PM
Apr 2016

Going out of the country in the middle of the most important primary to date.

Not a smart move.

Madam Mossfern

(2,340 posts)
135. Are you a Clinton supporter?
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:48 AM
Apr 2016

If so, then you should be glad that he's taking two days out of his campaign.
Right?

dogman

(6,073 posts)
20. That's a silly criticism.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:16 PM
Apr 2016

He will generate more good will in the Americas. You all think a coup in Honduras is the way to go. You are just pissed he doesn't have to suck up to the super rich to raise funds.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
24. AND Hill will be in Hong Kong at a fucking fundraiser with a former Goldman exec
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:28 PM
Apr 2016

(now working with her campaign), at a "commitment to contribute $2700 per person" event...

on the SAME day that Bernie is at the Vatigan.

Gee...what a contrast!

SHE WILL BE SUCKING UP FOR MONEY, with a former creep of Goldman Sucks...

While Bernie will be speaking about humanitarian and World issues.

Will she release a transcripts of this little shindig? And how much money will go unreported, since it's on the other side of the planet?

Seems running for President is not her priority.

...completely disingenuous.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
25. This is quite an ignorant post.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:34 PM
Apr 2016

1) Clinton won't be in Hong Kong. Only her campaign's CFO will.

2) the man you so hatefully and ignorantly refer to as a "former creep of Goldman Sucks" is Gary Gensler, one of the absolute heroes when it comes to combating the abuses of the global bankers, and who has been in public service for the past two decades.

From his Wiki page:

In addition to managing the increased role of the CFTC in overseeing the swaps market, Gensler led a revitalization of the enforcement division of the agency, most notably in its prosecution of an enforcement case regarding manipulation of Libor, the London interbank offered rate.[26] According to Barney Frank, the CFTC had been “a toothless agency,” but when “Gary became chairman, he was very aggressive.”[26]

Early in his tenure, Gensler listened to tape recordings of two Barclays employees as they discussed plans to report false interest rates in an effort to manipulate Libor.[26] Libor is the average interest rate estimated by leading banks in London that the average leading bank would be charged if borrowing from other banks.[27] It is used as a reference rate for many financial products, including adjustable rate mortgages, student loans, and car payments.[4]

“A driving force behind the latest crackdown tied to LIBOR,”[4] Gensler worked with enforcement division director David Meister and his team to lead the investigative effort and brought charges against five financial institutions for the manipulation of Libor and other benchmark interest rates, resulting in more than $1.7 billion in penalties.[8] Barclays alone paid $450 million in fines as a result of the Libor investigation.[4] Gensler has called Libor "unsustainable" and argued that it should be replaced as a benchmark rate.[28]


There are all kinds of facts one discovers when stepping outside the Bernie Bubble.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
81. Clinton won't be in Hong Kong. Only her campaign's CFO will.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:03 PM
Apr 2016

All the way to Hong kong and they don't get to even meet her????

What a snub! What a disaster!

or something....

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
89. He's not meeting with them.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:12 PM
Apr 2016

Gensler is meeting with the Americans in Hong Kong.

Clinton will be in California meeting with Americans and campaigning in California while Bernie is in a foreign theocratic state.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
120. You mean Gensler will be
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:49 PM
Apr 2016

in Hong Kong?

香港本土共產勢力

Oh. My. God.

Does Clinton even know about this?

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
60. Nah, Hillary’s at a $350k/couple fundraiser with George Clooney and other 1%ers in San Fran
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:35 PM
Apr 2016

Sooooo totally different than the Hong Kong fundraiser. ..



Vinca

(50,261 posts)
27. If Hillary had been invited, she would have gone.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:35 PM
Apr 2016

I bet she's relieved . . . the Vatican doesn't do $250,000 a speech.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
30. Yeah, he should be before his corporate overlords begging for money... like Hillary will be doing.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:38 PM
Apr 2016

for the cognitive dissonant among us:

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
35. IF fixing the world is not the top priority of the candidate
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:41 PM
Apr 2016

then I don't want them. Hillary is running around collecting money for her campaign. She is doing that a lot. Bernie is taking part in a world conference to work on fixing the world's problems. Which is more worthwhile? I'll take someone who is trying to make the world a better place any day over someone who is not.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
84. The irony is getting kind of thick.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:06 PM
Apr 2016

When Bernie is campaigning then "he is ignoring his job" and when he's doing his job "he is ignoring campaigning".

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
38. I SMELL FEAR ON YOU
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:48 PM
Apr 2016

seriously, this is a tremendous legitimating move by the Vatican: he's being recognized as a senior statesman and as important as Morales and the other leaders of countries invited; his ideas, his movement are what the beating heart of 1.3 billion members and believers across the planet feels it needs to hear: this is world-leader stuff

and of course it shows he's confident enough in his nationwide trendline to skip directly campaigning for 2 days


he's gonna go into the convention as the popular frontrunner with a mass movement unconditonally demanding change to politics and an irreversible end to the now-exposed corruption of the DNC, the ability to pull in indys by the millions, the ability to keep indys instead of making them sit home in droves and rally the Republicans to vote against her, with favorability ratings through the roof, with leads over the Republican 10-15 points better than Clinton's, no cumulative unforced errors, no indictments, no Panama Papers, no MCC/Foundation pay-to-play, no condemnation by Jimmy Carter, no protests by Hondurans after the NEXT murder there

he's the sure shot, she's the poison pill who'd be okay with losing the GE if it meant her faction now had absolute grip on the party--and since hers is the faction that's thrown election after election, it'd be on purpose

meanwhile Clinton has every thumb put on every scale for her, every lie said for her, every flack and flunky out to bail for her, every endorsement, every road cleared, every path smoothed, and all it does is turn people off more and more

Meteor Man

(385 posts)
45. Yeppers
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:57 PM
Apr 2016

The efforts by Hillary supporters to diminish Bernie's trip is pathetic and not worthy of serious consideration.

Are all of these people children or just exceedingly immature?

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
54. it just sounds STUPID--"he shouldn't accept a Vatican invite! it's not presidential!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:09 PM
Apr 2016

he's not being a serious candidate!"

maybe they'll start putting on showings of Agora or The Da Vinci Code at her events to show America "what we're up against" XD

beastie boy

(9,310 posts)
52. He is coming into the convention almost as important as Hillary...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:01 PM
Apr 2016

... and ten minutes later he is coming out of it as important as Morales!

Brilliant!

Now what chances does Morales have against Hillary?

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
42. I heard from a reliable source
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:54 PM
Apr 2016

by word of mouth that they actually asked Clinton to speak, but her speaking fees were too high.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
48. If economic, social and environmental justice are not the candidate's top priorities,
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:57 PM
Apr 2016

then they won't get my vote.

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
51. And it isn't even THIS Pope
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:01 PM
Apr 2016

that the conference is about! It's about an encyclical written John Paul II - who was every bit as rigid as any other Pope - and whose writings show that he is no fan of socialism.

Bernie is not ready for prime time. At all.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
57. lol
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:20 PM
Apr 2016

"If running for President isn't the top priority for someone who IS running for President, maybe they should reconsider..."

You wish.

Sorry, but some candidates won't pass up an opportunity to accept an invitation from the Vatican to speak for social justice even if it conflicts with running for the President! Shocking to Hillary Glee Club. I'm sure you're proud of your own belief that if it were Hillary, she'd put much more importance on herself and speaking in another fundraiser for fat cats to, you know, prioritize on what is really important....more personal power!!!

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
113. It's pitiful watching Sanders supporter in such denial over how crappy a campaign
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:40 PM
Apr 2016

he's run.

And there's the whole empty suit not being able to answer questions to an editorial board.

OkSustainAg

(203 posts)
62. I'm glad he is going.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:40 PM
Apr 2016

People think that after this primary nobody is going to care about the issues that are brought.
I want to see a global backlash against elitists. Bernie will be back for big rallies before election. Bernie has already won.
The attack on wall street, elitists, billionaires, inequalitists, non-people representing has-been-eries doesn't stop. This will be in elections from now on. It's already out of the bag.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
66. Look, Sanders knows that he's going to lose NY and lose it big.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:54 PM
Apr 2016

He made the mistake of promising a NY victory. Now, he's gonna have egg on his face.

The Vatican trip provides a handy excuse for his looming blow out loss in NY. He will say that his principles meant more to him than any primary victory, and his followers will lap it all up like some sacred truth, when all it is is distraction politics 101.

Whatever. His trip to the Vatican insures a wider margin of victory for Hillary in NY, and if that has the effect of quickening Sanders exit from the race, it's all for the good.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
80. As a Hillary supporter, I applaud Sanders for accepting the invite to speak.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:02 PM
Apr 2016

It is an honor, and a chance of a lifetime to speak on a world stage about issues he's so passionate about.

And getting him out of NY state for a few days right before the primary is pretty good too.

But I really am glad for him he gets to do this.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
117. Only out of concern for his health
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:29 PM
Apr 2016

He can get back to his routine starting, maybe Wednesday next week

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
96. Lame
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:36 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie gets my vote because his top priority is the needs of people in this country, not running for President. OTOH the only thing Hillary cares about is winning everything else is just lip service and not even good lip service since she talks out both sides of that mouth.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
139. And the answer to that question is relevant to you... why?
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:13 PM
Apr 2016

There have been a number of threads on that, but what I can't figure is, why anyone cares how he's paying for it. However it is, I'm sure it will be legal. Is there some other issue?

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
105. I am interviewing for a job, but have the opportunity to go to Italy
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:26 PM
Apr 2016

Italy - interview

Interview - Italy

Oh, I can't pass up Italy!


 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
114. gee whats' next, a critique of his penny loafers -- desperation beyond belief
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:44 PM
Apr 2016

seems to once again rule the Hillarians, no?

deacon_sephiroth

(731 posts)
133. If running for President isn't the top priority for someone who IS running for President...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:33 AM
Apr 2016

maybe their top priority is making the world a better place. I'm sorry he's not an electa-bot. I'm sorry he's not a poll-driven caricature of a politician. I'm sorry he's not driven by money and power. Wait, no I'm not sorry for that AT ALL. He's a good man trying to do good things in a world full of cynical sell-outs. THAT'S why we love him, that's why he's doing so much better than the establishment expected.

I suppose I'm speaking the wrong language though...

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deacon_sephiroth

(731 posts)
134. I was confused at first
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:45 AM
Apr 2016

as I read through this thread and saw just countless strange, sneering, laughing, jeering comments. It made me sick to my stomach. What was going on here? We have a presidential candidate who is invited to speak at a Vatican forum for social science... he agrees and in a very honest, human moment admits that it's not the perfect electa-bot strategy. Yet I see my fellow Americans not proud of him for his decades of straight forward public service. Not happy for him to go do this thing that he clearly feels strongly about. Not grateful that he's been doing this for you and me, and will continue until his dying breath. They laugh at him. What a fool. What a weak politician. How dare he let the mask of a political machine slip. How dare he miss a step when he is up against an entire party that's bought and paid for. Doesn't he know he should be at millionaire mansions taking donations behind closed doors? That's how REAL social change is effected! That's how real human beings do it.

I've left this site so many times, and I keep coming back. I keep thinking that people on here will be something better. Maybe sometimes you are, but sometimes you're THIS. Sometimes you are this all cheering all laughing mob of mean children, pointing and jeering at another kid who's had an honest human moment. He told his mother he loved her in front of you and you're all too ready to ridicule him for showing such weakness.

Take a look at yourselves and take a look at your candidate (however it may be) and ask yourself if this is what you want for the next generation. Don't reply to me. I'm gone again.

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
137. Bernie is certainly capable enough to walk, talk, speak at the Vatican and run for President all at
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:05 PM
Apr 2016

the same time! Just as Hillary is capable of speaking at her bundled $27000/plate dinners for lobbyist and mega-donors.

I suppose it all comes down to what you think is important. For Bernie, these issues are paramount and that is why he is running for President and taking the opportunities afforded him from that to speak to them.

we are so blessed and lucky to have a candidate like Senator Sanders. To bad some are too blind to see that, brooklynite!

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
140. re: "If running for President isn't the top priority..."
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:30 PM
Apr 2016

re:

If running for President isn't the top priority for someone who IS running for President, maybe they should reconsider...


First, the two aren't mutually exclusive. I doubt this trip is going to make the difference between whether he does or does not get the nomination. Politically, it's even a tough call between how many more delegates he'd get with 2 more days of campaigning in New York, versus the positive press nation-wide for the trip.

Second, it is not hard to understand there may very well be things that are more important than being President, even for people who are running for President. Family might be a common one. Personally, I think that Bernie entered the race, not so much to become president, but to promote his ideas. Actually having a shot at the Presidency might have been an unexpected bonus.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
141. Here's something else that could be a higher priority for him than being president... principle.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:04 AM
Apr 2016

If Bernie really wanted to be president above all else, he wouldn't be handling Hillary with kid gloves. He still hasn't made an issue of her emails or questions regarding the Clinton Foundation. The Republicans certainly will, unfortunately.

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