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Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:16 PM Apr 2016

Tennessee Lawmakers Just Passed a Bill That Would Allow Therapists to Refuse to Treat Gay Clients

Source: New York Magazine

Tennessee's House of Representatives just passed a bill that would allow therapists who believe homosexuality is the mark of Satan to refuse to treat gay clients. More precisely, the bill allows mental-health counselors to deny treatment to anyone who seeks help with "goals, outcomes, or behaviors that conflict with the sincerely held principles of the counselors or therapist." If the bill makes it into law, Tennessee would be the first state to allow therapists to pick what kind of clients they're willing to serve.

Read more: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/tennessee-bill-would-let-therapists-reject-gays.html#



Gee, I wonder if a republican president, House and Senate would make this even worse.
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Tennessee Lawmakers Just Passed a Bill That Would Allow Therapists to Refuse to Treat Gay Clients (Original Post) Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 OP
Kind of getting back to "We don't serve your kind here" Or "You need to go to that side door for LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #1
If so called liberals keep finding reasons that they cant vote for the Democrat, you can be sure Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #2
Who would want to go to a therapist who would not want gay clients? virtualobserver Apr 2016 #3
Same lame argument as who would want to go to florist for wedding flowers Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #4
it isn't an argument.....I'm just saying that any therapist who wanted to avoid gay clients..... virtualobserver Apr 2016 #7
OK, that is a little better. But the whole point is these bigoted assholes gotta get the hell Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author JudyM Apr 2016 #33
my first thought also. mopinko Apr 2016 #40
If they refuse to provide service to gays then they should be required LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #5
To be honest, they'd do a lot of damage to gay clients they were forced to treat Warpy Apr 2016 #6
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr airplaneman Apr 2016 #9
Anybody that thinks homosexuality is the mark of the devil... phazed0 Apr 2016 #10
If I was a legislator, I would do the opposite. I would introduce a bill to strip therapists and silvershadow Apr 2016 #11
the right to be a asshole Bill.... Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #12
If they believe they wouldn't be effective with them Blandocyte Apr 2016 #13
They believe gay people are sinning defects. You give them way way too much credit. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #14
For whatever reason Blandocyte Apr 2016 #15
Referral? OH boy. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #16
Yeah. Imagine referring a person to someone who can help Blandocyte Apr 2016 #17
They have no desire at all to act in their best interest. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #18
Wrong. Blandocyte Apr 2016 #19
Jesus christ, you are on the wrong website to defend outright bigots. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #20
If they are not mature, clear-headed, conscientious, they are simply not qualified Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #27
Please don't pretend not to understand what this is about. yardwork Apr 2016 #22
First, Do No Harm! SCVDem Apr 2016 #21
You know, there aren't really any gay yellow pages. yardwork Apr 2016 #23
Really? SCVDem Apr 2016 #35
Not everybody lives in So Cal. yardwork Apr 2016 #37
i always thought therapists could choose their clients restorefreedom Apr 2016 #24
You are correct. TM99 Apr 2016 #26
good info. i do agree that it is grandstanding restorefreedom Apr 2016 #30
If TN is like most states TM99 Apr 2016 #31
ok that makes sense restorefreedom Apr 2016 #32
Well in most cases, religious counselors TM99 Apr 2016 #34
Folks we have to support our Democratic Nominee whether it be HRC or BS. YOHABLO Apr 2016 #25
That would be the point of showing people these stories. To remind them that if they Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #38
Who would have expected this country could be so backward after all this time, Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #28
It's Jim Crow laws all over again. npk Apr 2016 #29
They're just searching for more ways to make America back-fucking-asswards truthisfreedom Apr 2016 #36
Thinking out loud here jmowreader Apr 2016 #39

LiberalArkie

(15,883 posts)
1. Kind of getting back to "We don't serve your kind here" Or "You need to go to that side door for
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:22 PM
Apr 2016

service - the one that says colored"

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
2. If so called liberals keep finding reasons that they cant vote for the Democrat, you can be sure
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:24 PM
Apr 2016

to see this happening much more with President Cruz.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
3. Who would want to go to a therapist who would not want gay clients?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:26 PM
Apr 2016

As horrible as that law is, gay or not, I would want to know if my therapist felt that way.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
7. it isn't an argument.....I'm just saying that any therapist who wanted to avoid gay clients.....
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:31 PM
Apr 2016

isn't a competent therapist.

You can be bigoted and still sell decent flowers.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
8. OK, that is a little better. But the whole point is these bigoted assholes gotta get the hell
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:32 PM
Apr 2016

out of dodge.

They have no business being in business of any kind, anywhere.

Response to virtualobserver (Reply #7)

Warpy

(112,174 posts)
6. To be honest, they'd do a lot of damage to gay clients they were forced to treat
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:30 PM
Apr 2016

so either they already refuse to take them on or they open their babbles on the first visit and scare them off.

This is a pretty silly law and completely unnecessary.

airplaneman

(1,258 posts)
9. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:45 PM
Apr 2016

"the bill allows mental-health counselors to deny treatment"

I know - Maybe mental-health counselors should deny treatment to anyone with mental-health problems.

-Airplane

 

phazed0

(745 posts)
10. Anybody that thinks homosexuality is the mark of the devil...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:48 PM
Apr 2016

... has no right being a mental health counselor.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
11. If I was a legislator, I would do the opposite. I would introduce a bill to strip therapists and
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:47 PM
Apr 2016

other professional of their licenses if they refuse to treat gay folks.

Avalon Sparks

(2,569 posts)
12. the right to be a asshole Bill....
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:01 PM
Apr 2016

I am not supporting this bullcrap Bill.

However with regard to a therapist, I'd be glad to learn about their narrow bigoted mindset before I'd pay them for services that would likely be detrimental to my mental health.

In fact let the bigots shine a big light on themselves, that way they are out in the open.

Out in the open for ridiculing...
Out in the open for public shaming
Out in the open to boycott...

Let's have at it!

This is the last hurrah for them, their bigoted and ugly backlash against progress marching forward. I'm think it's absolute bullshit for a gay person to have to deal with this, but these jerkoffs now might as well be wearing a sign that says asshole, and it's best to not have any dealings with them anyway....

We all saw that smug miserable skank Kim Davis, complete asshole. Anyone that would exercise their right to be an asshole under this bill is a person I wouldn't want to have anything to do with.

Fuk them!

Blandocyte

(1,231 posts)
13. If they believe they wouldn't be effective with them
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:09 PM
Apr 2016

then referring them is the ethical thing to do. Who would want a therapist who couldn't create the relationship to work with them effectively? There are plenty of therapists who work with LGBTQ issues.

Blandocyte

(1,231 posts)
15. For whatever reason
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:13 PM
Apr 2016

referral is the thing to do. It would be horrible for the client not to be referred to a therapist more able to work with them.

Blandocyte

(1,231 posts)
17. Yeah. Imagine referring a person to someone who can help
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:17 PM
Apr 2016

and acting in your clients' best interests. Imagine.

Blandocyte

(1,231 posts)
19. Wrong.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:26 PM
Apr 2016

Counselors are bound by ethical standards to act in clients's best interests and can lose their licenses if they don't. They probably wouldn't become counselors if they didn't want to help. But, sure, imagine that we all " have no desire" to act in our clients' best interest. I admire your psychic abilities, Kreskin.

Judi Lynn

(161,366 posts)
27. If they are not mature, clear-headed, conscientious, they are simply not qualified
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:19 PM
Apr 2016

to be in that profession in the first place.

They need to refer themselves to a field where bigots are well placed.

If they don't see human beings as PEOPLE above everything else, they are simply not good enough to practice in a respected, needed, vital field.

yardwork

(62,427 posts)
23. You know, there aren't really any gay yellow pages.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 08:58 PM
Apr 2016

Sometimes there isn't a qualified gay therapist in every town.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
24. i always thought therapists could choose their clients
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 09:15 PM
Apr 2016

based on compatability,their schedule, etc. i don't know if a therapist in private practice is required to treat everyone who walks in.

not a defense of this policy, just wondering what the protocol is.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
26. You are correct.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:31 PM
Apr 2016

I have complete autonomy in my private practice as to who I will treat or not. Sometimes a client and I are simply not good fits. In that case, I will also refer them to someone whom I suspect may well be.

That is my problem with this bill as I think it is simply grandstanding.

In private practice, it doesn't matter. I will refer out a born-again Christian as I am not a proper fit for them as far as counseling goes. If I am working at an agency that received county, state, or federal funding there are legalities that would make it impossible for staff therapists to avoid working with any clients who come to those agencies. Therapists are quickly weeded out who are unable to put aside their own personal issues and biases when it comes to working with all populations.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
30. good info. i do agree that it is grandstanding
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:41 PM
Apr 2016

and making a point that does not need to be made. also interesting about the option for practitioners to decline, as you mentioned, a born again christian as not a good fit. so as private practice is concerned, the choice is already there.

if this bill is intended to protect the funded therapists from having to be weeded out so they can have their biases, then that is a whole other problem. i could not tell from the article what kinds of therapists this applies to.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
31. If TN is like most states
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:56 PM
Apr 2016

and I am sorry if I don't have all those specifics, there are licensing requirements. This law would never be acceptable in the meeting of those requirements.

There are unlicensed counselors and these are typically religious functionaries who provide counseling through a church. They still must clearly state that they are NOT licensed providers of mental health services.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
32. ok that makes sense
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:02 AM
Apr 2016

i had forgotten about the religious "counselors."

hard to imagine anyone but another like minded person would want to talk to them.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
34. Well in most cases, religious counselors
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:17 AM
Apr 2016

are very legit. My main supervisor and mentor fresh out of graduate school was a Luthern minister and the lead chaplain at ASU. He also had an Ed.D, was a licensed clinical psychologist, state certified counselor, and a Reichian diplomate.

Mainstream Protestant and Catholic churches as well as Jewish traditions often require their chaplains, rabbi's, and priests who are going to be counselors to have a thorough education, supervision, and to meet at least minimum licensing requirements in the state in question.

The only ones who do not are the born-again churches, and we are not talking Baptists here either. The fringe fundamentalist churches protected by the constitution but incredibly ignorant and insular. They have their own unaccredited schools, their own credentialing boards, and are rarely under state control. This law would protect them so to speak but is rather redundant because they are already protected in their bigotry and ignorance. That's why I am convinced it is grandstanding that will ultimately go no where.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
25. Folks we have to support our Democratic Nominee whether it be HRC or BS.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:13 PM
Apr 2016

This religious fascism is growing. We have to reign in States like NC, MS, and TN, and GA. It's getting out of control and they're overstepping. We can't have a Ted Cruz or god forbid a Trump in the White House. NO> get your ass out and vote.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
38. That would be the point of showing people these stories. To remind them that if they
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:36 PM
Apr 2016

want to go backwards then just sit out the next election.

Judi Lynn

(161,366 posts)
28. Who would have expected this country could be so backward after all this time,
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:23 PM
Apr 2016

after it got off to such a glorious start?

But wait, wasn't there genocide from one coast to the other, murdering everyone in the way?

Oh, never mind.

npk

(3,696 posts)
29. It's Jim Crow laws all over again.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:32 PM
Apr 2016

And imagine all the states that were defendants in the SCOTUS Gay Marriage rights case are trying to enact these laws.

jmowreader

(50,828 posts)
39. Thinking out loud here
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:19 PM
Apr 2016

If I was a therapist in Tennessee and this bill were to pass, I assume I could get sued for telling a fundamentalist Christian I wouldn't treat her because of my sincerely held belief that extreme religiosity is an incurable mental defect and an affront to my person.

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