Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican

[azurnoir]

Source: Yahoo/Reuters

U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

[Mbrow]

1. K & R

Just another smear job.

[DebbieCDC]

2. Oooo somebody went off the grid here

I wonder if Margaret Archer will be demoted, like the Vatican official who set up the Pope to meet Kim Davis.

[RoccoR5955]

3. If Archer said what she did

to benefit Clinton, we can ask if she was PAID to say it. You know, in the old fashioned Italian way,

[beastie boy]

10. C'mon, don't sell Archer short!

She obviously got paid for much more than that. She got paid for derailing Bernie's NY primary bid from a far-away land while keeping Hillary's hands clean.

If Bernie makes good on the already scandalized invitation in the middle of the primaries, he will create the optic of dissing New York voters.

If he declines, he will create the optic of dissing the Vatican and will lose the Catholic vote.

Lose-lose, masterfully orchestrated by Hillary's obedient neo-liberal third way minions in the Vatican.

How devious of her! Of course, Bernie's ego had nothing to do with him taking the bait...

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Just had to edit the post:

Bernie is not being set up by Hillary's obedient neo-liberal third way minions in Vatican, Bernie is being set up by Hillary's obedient opus dei Thatcherite minions in the Vatican!

My bad and thanks to forest444!

[PatV]

14. "If Bernie makes good on the already scandalized invitation in the middle of the primaries, he will

create the optic of dissing New York voters. "

How in the world would he be doing that? This has nothing to do with Sanders. It's just another bunch of lies coming from Hillary supporters. Do you think all New York voters are stupid? The guy running the conference says he invited him and that's the end of it.

Please how will that "create the optic of dissing New York voters. "

[beastie boy]

22. Dropping the campaign so he can get some selfies in St Peter's square?

That says I give a shit about your votes like nothing else. No, the NY voters will not find this at all offending.

At least we can keep our fingers crossed and hope they don't.

[PatV]

25. Oh brother. Never mind.

[pscot]

26. A guy from the Bronx addressing a Vatican conference?

Yeah. They'll definitely hate that.

[Smarmie Doofus]

57. Brooklyn. He's from Brooklyn.

But we like him a lot in the Bronx too.

[TM99]

34. So please tell me again, because

I do forget the exact number, how many Catholics are there in NY?

Wasn't it something like 45% and in the top five for number of Catholics per state in the US?

[RoccoR5955]

29. OMG!

Talk about desperation!
You folks are all in with the desperation, aren't you.
Now fess up to it, you ARE getting totally desperate, aren't you?

[Wibly]

4. Artful smear

I knew that story was just more artful smear from the Clinton gang.
The people doing this sort of dirty work for Clinton should be ashamed of themselves. Or maybe they should just join the GOP where that sort of behavior is found acceptable.

[phazed0]

5. +1

The unmitigated gall of blaming Bernie for everything under the sun...

[murielm99]

58. Yeah, we all know

Brock did it.

[tabasco]

20. Artful? More like crude, sleazy and stupid.

All Clinton had to do, with a commanding lead in delegates, was to be POSITIVE, shrug off any negative attacks, and maintain an attack focus on the republicans.

But the gutter tactics and sleazy campaigningwill doom her chance to be the nominee.

Not that that's a bad thing.

[RoccoR5955]

31. A 220 committed delegate lead at this point

is NOT a commanding lead. It's a lead all right, but NOT a commanding lead.
You do realize that the superdelegates shall go for whoever gets the most committed delegates. Can you give me one example of one time when they have not?

[tabasco]

35. I suppose we have different definitions of "commanding"

I think I can live with that.

[RoccoR5955]

39. So when Bernie is ahead by 220 committed delegates

I hope that I can see you post that he has a commanding lead!

[tabasco]

42. I will do that

and be very happy about it because he is my choice.

[RoccoR5955]

44. Glad to hear it! n/t

[DaveT]

38. I think you are mis-reading Rocco.

I think Rocco is referring to the commanding 50+ point polling lead she started with. I agree that if she had stayed positive, her name ID and brand loyalty would have probably carried the day by now. But the more people get to see them contending with each other, Bernie gains and Hillary loses. If she were not so obnoxious, a lot more people would not even bother to take a look at Sanders.

I think all this haughty passive aggressive bullshit is likely to make her position collapse. Her supposed asset is her "experience" and "qualifications." Whining about how mean this little old Jewish guy is to her does not make her look presidential. It makes her look exactly like who she is -- a presumptuous narcissist who has never been a successful politician.

She is like the old joke that Jim Hightower laid on Bush once upon a Democratic Convention. Hillary was born on third base and thinks she hit a triple.

[RoccoR5955]

43. I believe you are mis-stating my point of view Dave.

If Clinton stood by her views that she has had all along, and did not parrot everything that Bernie states, only a week or so later, she would have lost the nomination by now!
I judge a candidate by what they do, and what they have done over their career, not what they say that they are going to do.
I have heard Bernie for a long time now, something upward of 30 years, and I know what his points of view are. With Clinton that is not the same, because she changes her view, depending on what the polls say, and what audience she is in front of.

[tabasco]

45. Um, no. I specifically stated delegate lead in my post and so did Rocco.

No big deal, either way.

You restated my point very well. Clinton's campaign manager is a dirtbag and his underhanded tactics are back-firing. Clinton does not have the personal charisma or good judgment to maintain a positive campaign.

[SoapBox]

6. More desperation by those supporting the Desperate Candidate?

Sanders "broke the protocol"...he should get in line and change his tone.

[Geronimoe]

7. Who is the real democrat?

Bernie invited by Vatican to speak on economic justice (for free).

Hillary invited to Goldman Sachs to speak on Bankster profitability for $225,000 per hour talk.

[SammyWinstonJack]

13. DINO Hillary Clinton. She as neither earned nor deserves the nomination, up to this point, imho.

Bet I'm not alone in believing that either.

[SunSeeker]

48. Bernie wasn't invited by the Vatican. The Pope won't even be in town.

The Sanders campaign made the announcement on Friday as the Vermont senator made the rounds on the morning television news shows. Mr. Sanders, a Democratic presidential candidate, said he would take a break from campaigning in New York, just days before the April 19 primary there, to attend a conference hosted by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, a scholarly association in Vatican City that was established by Pope John Paul II in 1994.

Mr. Sanders did not initially correct interviewers who suggested that he would meet with the pope, but he later clarified that he had not confirmed whether the two men would actually meet.

Further confusion about the trip bubbled up on Friday afternoon when the Vatican press office made clear that it had not issued the invitation, but that it had come from the academy. It said that there was no indication that Mr. Sanders would meet with Francis.

Meanwhile, Margaret Archer, the academy’s president, told Bloomberg News that Mr. Sanders had actively solicited the invitation for political purposes.

“Sanders made the first move, for the obvious reasons,” Ms. Archer said. “I think in a sense he may be going for the Catholic vote, but this is not the Catholic vote, and he should remember that and act accordingly — not that he will.”

But hours later, Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, a senior papal official and the academy’s chancellor, denied that Mr. Sanders had invited himself to the event. He told Reuters that it was his idea to invite the senator.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/08/bernie-sanders-accepts-pope-franciss-invitation-to-travel-to-the-vatican/

In fact, Pope Francis will be in Greece April 14-15.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0X227F

[appalachiablue]

54. +5

[forest444]

8. It's worth noting that Msgr. Sánchez Sorondo, who's also from Argentina, has known Francis for years

He's the Chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences (its highest authority), and he shot down this nonsense allegation in no uncertain terms.

Margaret Archer (the source of the allegation) is a Thatcherite Opus Dei hussy. As such she'd rather eat a 72-oz Texas steak on Good Friday than see Bernie be elected President.

Her word means nothing - least of all to Pope Francis himself.

[SusanCalvin]

9. Veeeerrrrrrry Innnnteresting. nt

[forest444]

12. It only remains to be seen if this woman, Marge Archer, was in cahoots with Hillary's people.

My suspicion though is that she threw this out there at the behest of the Opus Dei itself (to which she belongs).

As you probably know, they represent the Torquemada wing of the Catholic Church. As such, the last person they want to see in the White House is Bernie Sanders - just as Francis was the last man they wanted to see at the Seat of St. Peter.

[PatV]

21. Proof that she's Opus Dei connected

www.romana.org
Article printed by: http://en.romana.org/art/45/6.0/1


No. 45 • July - December 2007 • Page 316

The first day was dedicated to an analysis of present-day culture and the reality of globalization. Taking part, among others, were Alejandro Llano, Professor of Philosophy at the University of Navarra; Margaret Archer, a sociologist at the University of Warwick; Jean-Luc Chabot, Professor of Political Science at the University of Grenoble; and Marcello Pera, former president of the Italian Senate and professor of Philosophy of Science at the University of Pisa.

Romana - Bulletin of the Prelature of the Holy Cross and Opus Dei
Address: Viale Bruno Buozzi 73, 00197 Rome | [email protected]
English edition: [email protected]

http://en.romana.org/print.php?n=45&s=6.0&ID=1

[MrMickeysMom]

23. Always interesting to see how some religious people cannibalize themselves

Where is the news on this? (silly question)

[forest444]

28. A lie travels halfway around the world, it's been said.

While the truth is still putting its shoes on.

This Archer woman knew what she was doing, and moreover was definitely following orders. There's no way she'd sacrifice her plum job at the Vatican otherwise.

[MrMickeysMom]

37. I would hope that she didn't accept payment in Euros...

[dchill]

24. Proving that not all conspiracies are just theories.

[forest444]

27. People do indeed conspire.

Coincidences do happen, sure; but those who prefer to think that intrigue plays no part in this world of ours only show their ignorance of even basic human history, and are of course only fooling themselves.

'Conspiracy theory', a intelligence official once admitted, is what they themselves call it when someone is getting a little too close to the truth.

[SunSeeker]

51. Why did you choose to put down this woman with the sexist epithet "hussy"?

Is "slut shaming" acceptable discourse on DU these days?

[CarrieLynne]

11. I knew that wasnt bernies style....

[liberal from boston]

16. Go Bernie

Interesting to read a comment posted on DU that the Clinton Foundation requested an invitation to the Conference but the request was denied by the Papal Office.

[KPN]

52. Any substantiation with that post?

Oh how much I would love that ... and post it every fucking where I can.

[CharlotteVale]

15. This never gets old.

[99th_Monkey]

17. Oh boy! That didn't take long to debunk yet another LIE n/t

[MrMickeysMom]

18. Here's my great wish...

... and I say this because I am neither as evolved as Bernie Sanders or Pope Francis...

I wish that all those who tried to smear the truth that Senator Sander WAS invited by the Vatican to GO FUCK THEMSELVES.

I will now continue trying my best to evolve as a human being while watching these fucking jackals try their best to steal the nomination.

[KPN]

53. Kaboom!

If you are a Bernie supporter, you are obviously getting there ... evolving that is.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

19. The only people saying otherwise are lowlife types for whom the truth is alien.

And these people are garbage, real garbage. They've ended up looking more than a little deranged today trying to chase this story down and make something bad of it. And the more they try, the more deranged they look.

[abelenkpe]

30. So those posting the debunked story are falling over themselves apologizing now, right? nt

[scscholar]

32. Then why did they say otherwise earlier?

This is disgusting politics.

[RoccoR5955]

33. That's funny, because someone told me

that they would have asked Clinton to speak, but her speaking fees were too high.

[billhicks76]

41. Clinton Lied Again

She said that's what Goldman Sachs offered her but then later when sooke at UCLA she tries to negotiate lower fee and SHE REFUSED. Anyone who supports Clinton needs a serious reevaluation.

[JesterCS]

36. But Hillary supporters are honest!

[billhicks76]

40. Another Clinton Opus Dei Supporter Caught Lying?

[myrna minx]

46. K&R

[Bradical79]

47. Glad to hear this clarified. The constant dishonesty over very petty things

are one reason Clinton's road to the White House has been far more of a challenge than expected. Bernie Sanders is not a typical corrupt politician. In their attempts at painting him as such, Clinton's most fervent supporters keep pressing too much and inadvertently highlighting her biggest flaws.

[SunSeeker]

49. The Vatican did not invite him. The Academy did.

The Sanders campaign made the announcement on Friday as the Vermont senator made the rounds on the morning television news shows. Mr. Sanders, a Democratic presidential candidate, said he would take a break from campaigning in New York, just days before the April 19 primary there, to attend a conference hosted by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, a scholarly association in Vatican City that was established by Pope John Paul II in 1994.

Mr. Sanders did not initially correct interviewers who suggested that he would meet with the pope, but he later clarified that he had not confirmed whether the two men would actually meet.

Further confusion about the trip bubbled up on Friday afternoon when the Vatican press office made clear that it had not issued the invitation, but that it had come from the academy. It said that there was no indication that Mr. Sanders would meet with Francis.

Meanwhile, Margaret Archer, the academy’s president, told Bloomberg News that Mr. Sanders had actively solicited the invitation for political purposes.

“Sanders made the first move, for the obvious reasons,” Ms. Archer said. “I think in a sense he may be going for the Catholic vote, but this is not the Catholic vote, and he should remember that and act accordingly — not that he will.”

But hours later, Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, a senior papal official and the academy’s chancellor, denied that Mr. Sanders had invited himself to the event. He told Reuters that it was his idea to invite the senator.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/08/bernie-sanders-accepts-pope-franciss-invitation-to-travel-to-the-vatican/

In fact, Pope Francis will be in Greece April 14-15.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0X227F

[Teamster Jeff]

50. .

[retrowire]

55. knr nt

[yurbud]

56. it's a tempest in a teapot in any case.