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Lodestar

(2,388 posts)
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:05 PM Apr 2016

US election: Bernie Sanders invited to Vatican by Pope

Source: BBC

Mr Sanders, who is Jewish, accepted an invitation to Rome for a conference at the end of next week.

The Vatican visit is four days before the primary contest in New York, a competitive battle between him and front-runner Hillary Clinton.

Mr Sanders said he was not sure whether he would meet the Pope but he was a big fan of the pontiff.
The Vermont senator said they share the same views on inequality.

"He's trying to inject this sense of morality into how we do economics... and we need that absolutely desperately."

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35999269



Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, the chancellor of the Academy, speaking on the phone from New York, said he extended the invitation to Sanders

“We are interested in having him because we have two presidents coming from Latin America, I thought it would be good to have an authoritative voice from North America,” Sanchez Sorondo said. Asked when the invitation was extended, he said, “Quite some time ago.”

Actual text of the the Vatican Press Release - (thanks Coffee Cat)

We're delighted to host this conference to celebrate the 25th anniversary of Centesimus Annus, bringing together world leaders, including US Senator Sanders, Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa, Bolivian President Evo Morales, Academicians of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences such as its President Margaret Archer, and leading scholars such as Professor Daniel Finn, Professor Jeffrey Sachs etc., to examine and discuss changes in politics, economics, and culture in the world these last 25 years in the light of Pope Francis' new encyclical Laudato si'. Our intention is socio-political in the highest sense of the term, because according to art. 1 of our Statutes, the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences was established by the Holy Father John Paul II on 1 January 1994 with the aim of promoting the study and progress of the social sciences, primarily economics, sociology, law and political science.
Title I - Constitution and Aims of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences
Art. 1
The Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences was established by the Holy Father John Paul II on 1 January 1994 (AAS 86 , 213), with the aim of promoting the study and progress of the social sciences, primarily economics, sociology, law and political science. The Academy, through an appropriate dialogue, thus offers the Church the elements which she can use in the development of her social doctrine, and reflects on the application of that doctrine in contemporary society. The Academy, which is autonomous, maintains a close relationship with the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace.
✠ Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo
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US election: Bernie Sanders invited to Vatican by Pope (Original Post) Lodestar Apr 2016 OP
Yay for truth! nt revbones Apr 2016 #1
Awful quiet in here... (eom) mak3cats Apr 2016 #2
The bar room brawl started a few hours ago... FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #4
Well, let's just encourage the silence with photos Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #28
I don't get it SCantiGOP Apr 2016 #32
Great images. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #3
Bravo for Bernie. We all need to see and hear and accept the views of others. Paper Roses Apr 2016 #5
Too bad the Pope doesn't want to see him... beastie boy Apr 2016 #14
The Pope will drop by and visit with the group. Sunlei Apr 2016 #20
An honor for Bernie who has devoted his life to the issues covered by Lodestar Apr 2016 #6
Updated info from papal official catchnrelease Apr 2016 #7
Thanks for this! It deserved it's own headline so I posted it that way. Lodestar Apr 2016 #12
No problem catchnrelease Apr 2016 #15
You did great. Caught an important lead story! Awesome! n/t Lodestar Apr 2016 #16
This post must be hidden to Hillary supporters I guess. NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Apr 2016 #9
WRONG!!! beastie boy Apr 2016 #10
So what about "Vatican Press Release" is wrong as you say. KPN Apr 2016 #11
Bernie was invited by the Vatican Academy for Social Sciences beastie boy Apr 2016 #13
Vatican! Sort of like KPN Apr 2016 #23
A more accurate analogy would be to compare the Academy to the National Institutes of Health beastie boy Apr 2016 #25
More accurate analogy? Okay, add NIH to my list. That works for me. KPN Apr 2016 #29
well, the Hillarian tenacity is becoming legendary this time around stupidicus Apr 2016 #18
Gay rights and abortion noiretextatique Apr 2016 #31
just because an editor writes a misleading headline magical thyme Apr 2016 #17
What if Bernie writes a misleading headline? beastie boy Apr 2016 #19
he said straight out "this is an invitation from the Vatican." magical thyme Apr 2016 #21
That was his second try beastie boy Apr 2016 #22
WTF is wingawire. Bernie on MSNBC never mentioned the Pope. His release to the BBC said nothing snagglepuss Apr 2016 #26
I think Bernie should release the long-form of the invitation JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #24
I can't wait to see the photo of the pope and BS... dubyadiprecession Apr 2016 #27
I can't wait to see his speech days before the NY primary. MelungeonWoman Apr 2016 #30
The whirling dervish reaction from Clinton supporters is unbelieveable tabasco Apr 2016 #33
A good thread title might have been "Clinton supporters livid that other Democrats are respected hughee99 Apr 2016 #35

Response to Lodestar (Original post)

Paper Roses

(7,509 posts)
5. Bravo for Bernie. We all need to see and hear and accept the views of others.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:30 PM
Apr 2016

I'm sure a visit with the Pope will give Bernie insight. I am not Catholic, in fact, I do not support any religion but I respect the views of those who do. It is up to all of us to broaden our vistas. We need to hear, see and accept the views of others.
Thank you Senator Sanders.

Lodestar

(2,388 posts)
6. An honor for Bernie who has devoted his life to the issues covered by
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

this conference. Well done!

This is who Bernie Sanders IS:



Who are YOU?

...

catchnrelease

(2,015 posts)
15. No problem
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:21 PM
Apr 2016

I'm pretty inept with posting links, photos, etc so usually don't do it at all, but I thought this was an important update. Glad you can carry the ball, thanks. I did change the subject line a little to make it more clear.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
8. This post must be hidden to Hillary supporters I guess.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:42 PM
Apr 2016

They're all over in the ones that say Bernie invited himself. Wonder why.

Response to Lodestar (Original post)

beastie boy

(11,249 posts)
10. WRONG!!!
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:49 PM
Apr 2016
But the office of the pope moved quickly to distance the pontiff from the visit. Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope’s spokesman, said Sanders had been invited “not by the pope but by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences.” Lombardi told the Italian news agency Ansa: “For the moment there is no expectation that there will also be a meeting with the pope.”


http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation

Just because Bernie tell you something, doesn't mean it's true.

KPN

(16,141 posts)
11. So what about "Vatican Press Release" is wrong as you say.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

This morning's news said Bernie invited by Vaticsn.

beastie boy

(11,249 posts)
13. Bernie was invited by the Vatican Academy for Social Sciences
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:16 PM
Apr 2016

To be more precise, he was invited by the Chancellor of the Academy, against the sentiments of the Academy's President, and in apparent violation of protocol.

The Pope wants nothing to do with him, as my previous link indicated.

KPN

(16,141 posts)
23. Vatican! Sort of like
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:59 PM
Apr 2016

Oh I don't know, US government: USDA, USDOI, USDOD, etc. They are all the US government.

Stop parsing every little word to create BS arguments in order to smear people ... not unlike Hillary herself and all her surrogates.

The Clinton camp just can't stand being challenged by Bernie and his supporters. So they keeping making up BS arguments and accusations like the one you posted.

Why do they feel the need to do that? Hmmmm.

By the way, look up the actual invitation (Google it -- it's already out there) and then take a look at the Reuters article today wherein the Chancellor essentially says that the President of the Vatican Academy lied.

beastie boy

(11,249 posts)
25. A more accurate analogy would be to compare the Academy to the National Institutes of Health
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:46 PM
Apr 2016

Do you seriously think that Obama would care about what foreign dignitaries they invite to one of their conferences or even give a shit about their existence?

But I am obviously Hillary's paid shill out to smear everything Bernie with BS. And so are the facts.

You got me.

KPN

(16,141 posts)
29. More accurate analogy? Okay, add NIH to my list. That works for me.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:50 AM
Apr 2016

Who said anything about the Pope "giving a shit" as you so eloquently posted? To use a phrase Hillary is prone to: what practical difference does that make? .... I'm just giddy Bernie's been invited by THE VATICAN and the whole world knows it.

You are obviously really stewed over this one.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
18. well, the Hillarian tenacity is becoming legendary this time around
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 03:51 PM
Apr 2016

after failing to polish the "he invited himself!!!!" turd and winding up wearing it, they must belittle the invite he got as much as possible in an effort to obscure the gross gullibility the aforementioned represents.

And of course, they'll likely hide behind the old "I'm only interested in the truth" bs (like they really care about the truth given recent history) after that self-inflicted exercise in humiliation, because egos are at stake.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
17. just because an editor writes a misleading headline
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 03:43 PM
Apr 2016

doesn't mean it's Bernie's fault.

The text of the article makes clear that the invite came from the Vatican, not the Pope himself.

beastie boy

(11,249 posts)
19. What if Bernie writes a misleading headline?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 03:57 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders earlier on Friday said, "this is an invitation from the Vatican, from a pope that I have enormous respect for in term of the level of consciousness that he's raising on the need to have morality in our economy"



http://wingatewire.com/2016/04/08/papal-official-denies-report-bernie-sanders-invited-himself/
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
21. he said straight out "this is an invitation from the Vatican."
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:22 PM
Apr 2016

and he wasn't writing a headline, he was speaking. It's not uncommon, especially when speaking off the cuff, to not use perfectly clear sentence structure.

The invite actually came from a very close aide to the Pope. Obviously, the Pope himself wouldn't be issuing invitations.

But keep trying. A week from now, nobody will remember the attempted smears. But everybody will remember that Bernie was invited to a conference at the Vatican.

beastie boy

(11,249 posts)
22. That was his second try
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:45 PM
Apr 2016

But I guess he deserves credit for getting it right eventually.

The invitation came from the Academy, and the Pope had nothing to do with it. Furthermore, the Pope's press release clearly states that he is not planning to have any contact with Bernie.

Further confusion about the trip bubbled up on Friday afternoon when the Vatican press office made clear that it had not issued the invitation, but that it had come from the academy. It said that there was no indication that Mr. Sanders would meet with Francis.


http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/08/bernie-sanders-accepts-pope-franciss-invitation-to-travel-to-the-vatican/

And a month from now nobody will remember that Bernie was invited to a conference at the Vatican. I doubt that a year from now anyone will remember Bernie was a Democrat for a few months.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
26. WTF is wingawire. Bernie on MSNBC never mentioned the Pope. His release to the BBC said nothing
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:51 PM
Apr 2016

about the Pope extending the invite.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,798 posts)
24. I think Bernie should release the long-form of the invitation
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:04 PM
Apr 2016

so DU can minutely parse the source, the words, the limitations.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
33. The whirling dervish reaction from Clinton supporters is unbelieveable
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:58 PM
Apr 2016

It's difficult to fathom that these are fellow Dmocrats.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
35. A good thread title might have been "Clinton supporters livid that other Democrats are respected
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:53 PM
Apr 2016

internationally". Wouldn't it be just awful if we had a whole bunch of well respected Dems to push the party agenda.

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