Sanders Camp Says It Will '100 Percent' Contest Convention If Clinton Doesn’t Clinch Delegate Majori

[Purveyor]

Source: ABC NEWS

It’s not just the Republicans who may be headed to a contested convention. Bernie Sanders' campaign manager believes the Democrats may be going in the same direction.

Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver says that if Hillary Clinton fails to reach a majority of pledged delegates ahead of the Democratic convention, Sanders will “100 percent, absolutely” challenge her for the nomination –- even if Clinton has more votes than Sanders.

“The way the math is right now, it is very, very, very unlikely that either candidate will arrive at the convention with enough pledged delegates to win the nomination,” Weaver said in an interview on ABC News’ “Powerhouse Politics” podcast.

While the majority of superdelegates are expected to vote for Clinton, Weaver noted that “those people are not pledged when they get there” and believes that they will “take a second look” at Sanders because “these people want to win … in November.”

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sanders-camp-100-percent-contest-convention-clinton-doesnt/story?id=38231154

[msanthrope]

1. Oh can he not do math? nt

[passiveporcupine]

32. Can you not extrapolate? n/t

[George II]

74. No need to extrapolate, it's simple 3rd grade math.

[RoccoR5955]

36. Not Clinton M.A.T.H.

To Clinton MATH=Mythological Assumption That Hillarywillwin!

[billhicks76]

63. Holy Crap...Today Bill Clinton Labeled BLM Activists Defenders Of Murderers And Thugs!!!!

The truth comes out when you run your mouth, Bill. You just sunk your wife's African-American support.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/bill-clinton-black-lives-matter-protesters-are-defending-murders-and-drug-dealers/article/2001877#.VwbRYj_Z-wI.facebook

[LanternWaste]

128. I like to pretend math has a bias too-- especially when it interferes with irrational thought.

I like to pretend math has a bias too-- especially when it interferes with irrational thought.

[morningfog]

80. She won't reach 2,383 in pledged delegates.

That's the math relevant to this position.

[SCantiGOP]

132. wrong

unless you think the votes of the superdelegates don't count for some reason.
Can't change the rules in the middle of the game, especially if you are losing.

[morningfog]

133. Read it again, slowly.

She won't reach 2,383 in pledged delegates.

And she won't. That is my point. Of course superdelegates votes will count, when cast. And it is almost certain that she will reach 2,383 on the first vote, which will include pledged and super delegates.

But she will not reach 2,383 in pledged delegates alone.

[Sheepshank]

124. I think the math extrapolation has been done

what is going on is building false hope for the sake of continued mega million donations. Gotta have family, frienda and Weaver financially set after these elections.

[SidDithers]

141. It's #berniemath...nt

Sid

[Trust Buster]

2. Good luck with that. He's persona non grata amongst the Democratic machine.

[timmymoff]

33. then so am I

seems like the machine is shedding parts.

[NastyRiffraff]

83. Nobody cares about you

being in the machine, or anywhere else.

[timmymoff]

99. Hillary may not

but Sanders does. That's why he will get my vote and Hillary will not, primary of general. More out there like me. Good luck in the general.

[MFM008]

116. sorry then you cant be a democrat

no democrat wants to see any republican in the white house. Ever.
I don't like Sanders any more than you like HRC,
BUT I will vote for the nominee of the democratic party
no matter how I feel about the person.
Every person that cant be reasonable needs to think about
what will happen with the republicans in control of all 3 branches
of government and what that will mean to the country and the world.

[hereforthevoting]

118. How's that for identity politics, ha!

Nanabooboo.

If HRC's campaign wasn't so dirty I would NEVER have questioned voting for her. But then she done poisoned the well.

[timmymoff]

137. fear sells

but I'm not buying

[markj757]

117. same pathetic threat....

No one cares if you don't for Hillary, we are sick of hearing Bernie supporters on this site making those same pathetic threats. Don't vote for her, who cares.

[CoffeeCat]

104. Lovely

Where'd you develop your personality...a car crash?

[pangaia]

110. You sure fit your name....

Nobody give a shit about you either.

toodle loo

[NastyRiffraff]

123. Yes, but I know I'm not the most important

person in the world. You don't. Buh-by!

[Sheepshank]

126. grow up

[OnionPatch]

139. That's sad that nobody cares about the voters.

What a lovely democracy and "Democratic" party we have.

[Sheepshank]

125. wow...so xxx to stick up for Bernie

you are pretty funny.

[LS_Editor]

41. That's a good start.

[Ned_Devine]

42. You say that like it's a bad thing

[Newkularblue]

53. That would be the same machine

That lost how many governorships and state party reps since '08?

The one that's in need of some serious repair? That the machine you're referring to?

Failure of this magnitude is nothing to be proud of.

[dflprincess]

57. I'd call that a plus. nt

[SoLeftIAmRight]

3. Wish me luck

this saturday I will be up for election as a delegate for Sanders from Colorado to the DNC

i will fight to the end - and we are working on a plan

[thereismore]

5. A plan! I like that.

[MelissaB]

15. Me, too!

[fighting-irish]

76. Reminds me of my favorite palindrome.

A man, a plan, Panama!

I learned that when I was 8 years old, and I think it's ironic now.

[Ptah]

85. A Man, A Plan, A Canal – Panama!

[fighting-irish]

93. Thanks for the correction.

It's been so long. My other favorite one is Madam I'm Adam.

If my name is Adam, I could have fun with it.

[Sienna86]

6. Good luck, and I like your name. nt

[scottie10]

22. Good Luck!

Thanks for all you're doing. Bernie can win! If you look at won delegates, there's only about a 200 point difference. He's getting there.

[smiley]

26. Good luck!

Thanks for the representing!

[Zira]

135. Good luck!

Fight the good fight!

[thereismore]

4. Fight! Fight the machine! Otherwise they will screw us over as usual. nt

[StevieM]

7. Imagine if Hillary had been the one to say this.

The Sanders supporters would be going ballistic. They would be shouting from the rooftops that Queen Hillary wanted to steal the nomination. They would say that this is yet another example of how she feels entitled to the presidency and has proven herself to be unworthy and undeserving.

[SFnomad]

10. IOKIYABSer n/t

[Plucketeer]

19. No NEED for her to say it

We've all known the race was "fixed" from the starting gates. Sanders is just going to make them ponder whether or not they REALLY wanna crap in the face of all of Sanders followers.

[Dont call me Shirley]

20. Like this?...

[strategery blunder]

31. As a Bernie supporter

if Hillary goes into the convention with more pledged delegates than Bernie, I expect Hillary to get the nomination and I will respect the outcome

if Bernie overtakes Hillary in pledged delegates and goes into the convention with more pledged delegates than Hillary, and the supers give it to Hillary anyway, I feel it would be the death of the Democratic Party (this is the scenario I have feared since before the Iowa caucus actually)

if Hillary goes into the convention with more pledged delegates than Bernie, and the supers give it to Bernie (not that this is likely, but I recognize that some Bernie supporters are trying to prematurely lobby the supers into changing their support), it will similarly be a Very Bad Thing. I'd rather Hillary win the nomination if she enters the convention with more pledged delegates, than have the current state of DU persist through the general election.

Obviously I am hoping that Bernie overtakes Hillary in pledged delegates and the supers honor such a result and let Bernie have the nomination, but I don't want to see the Democratic Party split for the sake of keeping one particular Democrat out of office. Hillary is too corporate for my tastes, but the Rs are batshit insane and I think we can all see that.

Political party realignments are painful. I hope we can contain the damage to Republicans. But if the final DNC result does not match the first-round pledged delegate count (no matter which way it goes), I fear we'll be going through one as well. :/

[StevieM]

70. I appreciate your thoughtful comments. (Sorry I didn't reply sooner, I had to run out).

My feeling is this:

I can't imagine Hillary or Bernie winning the nomination if they lose the PD count. I suppose it is possible that both candidates are denied the nomination and the convention turns to someone else, like Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren. But it is much more likely that whoever wins the most PDs will get the support of the super delegates and win the nomination.

I hope that whoever loses will throw his or her support behind the nominee and campaign vigorously for them. Hillary did that in 2008 for Barack Obama and I have no doubt that she would do it for Bernie Sanders, if he were to win. And I actually do think, at the end of the day, Bernie will endorse her, if she wins, and go out on the campaign trail for her.

[strategery blunder]

111. I believe a lot of Bernie supporters feel similarly

That certainly seems to be the case outside the DU bubble.

I attended the WA caucus, and the caucus chair issued a call for party unity regardless of who the nominee turns out to be before opening the floor to those in attendance. The room cheered like it was a campaign rally.

Sadly I believe DU has become so vitriolic that many of its members have lost sight of that. Bernie supporters alert stalking Clinton supporters before the amnesty was not cool--but the amnesty that was required to address that problem (and yes it was a problem) effectively removed any consequences for not being nice.

[tabasco]

71. My sentiments exactly.

I will hold my nose and vote for her if she is the nominee, after achieving a majority of pledged delegates.

I'm not sure what I'll do if Bernie gets more pledged delegates and Clinton gets the nom. The alternative to H. Clinton would be Caligula, so I would likely vote for Clinton, but that would be my last national Democratic vote unless major changes were to occur.

[deutsey]

129. Same here

[Pauldg47]

109. Super delegates aren't saying now.....they may be in their hearts for Bernie.

[rynestonecowboy]

112. You are spot on

Any true DEMOCRATIC underground member should totally agree with your sentiment. I was a huge hillary supporter before Bernie entered the race and the fact of the matter is we should all understand that the Democratic party is not insane like the Republican party. We all should agree that the candidate with the most pledged delegates at the convention will be the nominee because we all respect the will of the voters unlike our counterparts on the right. Although I despise Hillary more than I did in 2008 I will gladly campaign for her in the general if Bernie does not win.

[timmymoff]

34. Hillary couldn't be the one to say it,

she hasn't had an original thought of her own since super predator or regime change came into her vocab.

[trueblue2007]

114. you haven't either. I think you are for the "other side"

[RoccoR5955]

40. You mean she isn't?

She didn't ask that Bernie step down after Super Tuesday? I seem to remember her surrogates saying this.
You mean to tell me that she is not looking for the peasant candidate to step down?
What kind of Goldwater Girl is she any way?

[KPN]

56. Haha. Yeah, imagine if she had said that instead of

drop out now Bernie for the good of the Party like she was saying through a gazillion surrogates just a few weeks ago after Ohio and prior. Of course, context is meaningless to you I guess.

[joshcryer]

75. People claimed in 2008 Hillary would do something.

Like then, this is bluster.

[dubyadiprecession]

8. Take a math class bernie..

you need it.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

25. think - it helps

[timmymoff]

35. Maybe this meeting

is where Bill Clinton got his views on race?

[SoLeftIAmRight]

38. his is a good sothern boy

i am sure that he has risen from the lowest levels of racism that were and are taught in the south

[Hekate]

44. That is sheer slander

[SoLeftIAmRight]

46. you do not think he is above the worst racism in the south?

i do

[lancer78]

136. I don't know about that

Yesterday, Bill Clinton did say BLM was just defending murderers and thugs.

[Hekate]

43. That is sheer slander

[timmymoff]

52. Why would he associate with people like that?

Why would they be so interested in him so young? Something smells a bit fishy now that we see how the third way has done things.

[treestar]

120. It was a meeting of governors

Bill was a governor then just like the others

[morningfog]

81. What do you mean? Are you suggesting Hillary will reach 2,383 in PDs?

[Gothmog]

9. Sanders has no chance of being the nominee

And it is amusing to see people who think that Sanders has a chance of getting support from super delegates given Sanders' lack of support for the Democratic Party

[Bleacher Creature]

28. His campaign knows it's a surefire loser.

It's just a ploy to scam a few extra campaign contributions from Sanders supporters before it's all over.

Someone's got to pay Weaver and Devine!

[Land of Enchantment]

90. hmmm, guess you haven't seen this

http://demrace.com/?share=F2dyLJi2

AND---CA is going to let indies vote in the dem primary. He will take 75% of those 475 plus get an extra 100 for winning the state.

[SFnomad]

11. Unless there are pledged delegates that are not committed

In a two person race, one person or the other will have a majority.

I guess the Sanders cheerleaders believe math is another thing that has a Clinton bias.

[phazed0]

14. Funny to watch all these people say Sanders can't do it....

... When Hillary lost in 2008 with virtually the same "math" to Barrack. So much for history.

Obama didn't even take the lead until what, June?

I guess if it feels good to say it...

[SFnomad]

16. You people need to quit trying to re-writing history

Obama had a lead of over 100 delegates by Feb 19th. He never lost the lead after that and Clinton didn't start closing the gap until the last 8 state primaries.

You have as much trouble with facts as math, eh?

[Deny and Shred]

29. What do you 'you people?'

[phazed0]

58. My bad, you're right..

I was working off some bad information.

No need to be nasty Hillary supporter. And, no, math isn't the problem here, my recollection of timing is.

According to the math there are still almost 2000 pledged delegates to go and not counting supers, there is a 250 delegate difference. Math? 250 gap, 2000 to go... no way he makes it up?

[SFnomad]

62. Almost 2000 pledged delegates to go? Try about 1660.

And the difference is about 210. And yeah, no way he makes it up because of several reasons ... all Democratic races are proportional, there are no winner-take-all contests, only a couple of caucuses left and many closed primaries. It's just not going to happen.

[phazed0]

78. According to google its 1955 delegates remaining

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=democratic%20primaries&eob=m.09c7w0/D/4/short/m.09c7w0/

[SFnomad]

143. That 1955 includes Superdeletes ... we've been talking about pledged delegates

And that 1955 number is a bit high too ... but when it comes to the counting Superdelegates, different sources have different numbers.

Clinton: 1,303 pledged + 474 supers = 1,777 total
Sanders: 1,087 pledged + 33 supers = 1,120 total

1,661 Pledged Delegates Left
206 Superdelegates Left
1867 Total Delegates Left

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

[geek tragedy]

27. No, he took the lead in February. Jeebus, how can you argue when you know so little? nt

[morningfog]

82. Yes but that will not get her to a total majority, 2,383z

[SFnomad]

88. She will have a majority of pledged delegates ...

and she will cross the finish line with the Superdelegates ... don't you worry about it none.

[morningfog]

91. I was simply correcting your error.

O

[SFnomad]

92. I wasn't in error ... you were mistaken

If there are only two people getting delegates (like we have with Sanders and Secretary Clinton), one of them will get a majority of pledged delegates. A tie could happen or if some pledged delegates do not get pledged, it's possible that neither gets a majority of pledged delegates.

[morningfog]

95. The op is premised on whether either will get to a majority

of total delegates, which would be 2,383, though pledged delegates.

You said with two people, one will get the majority. One will get the majority of pledged delegates, yes, but that is not the point or the reference number of the OP. Neither will get a total majority through pledged delegates alone.

[SFnomad]

96. You are still mistaken ... the second paragraph from the OP

emphasis mine

Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver says that if Hillary Clinton fails to reach a majority of pledged delegates ahead of the Democratic convention, Sanders will “100 percent, absolutely” challenge her for the nomination –- even if Clinton has more votes than Sanders.

I won't hold my breath for your apology.

[morningfog]

98. Good lord. You still don't get it. If Hillary fails to reach

the majority of pledged delegates, Bernie WILL have a majority of pledged delegates. But neither will have reached 2,383, a majority of total delegates through pledged delegates alone.

What he is saying is if Bernie gets a majority of pledged delegates, even if Hillary has more popular votes and more unbound total delegates )pledged and super endorsements) they will fight for the nomination.

[SFnomad]

101. You really need some reading comprehension lessons ... he is NOT saying that ... try paragraph three

emphasis mine

“The way the math is right now, it is very, very, very unlikely that either candidate will arrive at the convention with enough pledged delegates to win the nomination,”

He's not talking about Sanders getting a majority of pledged delegates. Do you even read this stuff? So now I have to spoon feed this to you too. He's trying to create a requirement that has never been necessary before (but many candidates cleared anyways), that a candidate has to have enough delegates to secure the nomination with just pledged delegates ... no Superdelegates.

Obama didn't reach that threshold back in 2008.

[morningfog]

102. I don't think you understand the words being used.

He is saying exactly what I said. Neither candidate will go to the convention with enough pledged delegates to win the nomination. That is exactly what I said in my last response to you.

When he said they will go to the convention if Hillary does not get a pledged delegate majority, by simple math, Bernie would have a pledged delegate majority under that scenario, but still not enough pledged delegates to win the nomination.

Like in 2008, it will take at least some super delegates to get either candidate to the nomination.

You aren't spoon feeding anything, I'm correcting you.

[SFnomad]

106. He is not ... the line I highlighted proves that

But you go ahead an believe what you want ... I've learned you people don't like to admit when you're wrong.

[morningfog]

107. Okay. We are seriously talking past each and I have no fucking clue

What you are going on about.

[SFnomad]

108. It's clear you have no clue

Last edited Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:07 AM - Edit history (1)

You've misrepresented what I said. You've misrepresented what Weaver said.

Buh bye

[carolinayellowdog]

140. Buh bye

Cannot tell what is going on in this exchange other than one person is being totally aggressive and obnoxious.

[SFnomad]

142. By your own words, you cannot tell what is going on ...

yet you felt the need to insert yourself into it anyways. Talk about obnoxious.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

12. I said it weeks ago.

Just keep her from getting enough to clinch it. Take our arguments to the floor and hash em out on 24 hours news.

[geek tragedy]

23. And what will that accomplish? A month of people trashing Sanders

as a big whiny sore loser baby is what it would accomplish.

Elizabeth Warren and Obama and Biden would endorse Clinton, as would the remaining uncommitted superdelegates.

The comparisons to the Japanese soldiers discovered in island bunkers in the 1960's would be rampant.

Why, why oh why would he do such a stupid thing?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

50. do you have any clue what goes on?

Those delegates give bernie power to insist that the party platform includes the things that we want to accomplish. The convention is not just for picking the party nom. but to set the platform going forward.

[geek tragedy]

51. no, Bernie cooperating and endorsing Clinton and being a team player

is what power he has.

That power is at its height around June 7, and lessens with each passing day.

If he contests the convention, they will give him nothing and they'll just ram through the convention rules and platform since Clinton delegates will be the majority.

On the other hand, if on June 8 he says let's put this behind us and start taking it to Drumpf and Cruz, then he does have some leverage.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

61. our opinions differ

I guess we'll have to wait and see then.

[stupidicus]

13. as either of them should

but it's a bad thing that Bernie said it, just because

[uppityperson]

18. +

[Android3.14]

72. "Just because" is such a solid argument

Must be a Hillary supporter....

[uppityperson]

86. Me? Hardly.

[onehandle]

17. Hillary Wins!

Weaver is an idiot.

[Dont call me Shirley]

21. KnR!!!!!!!!

[geek tragedy]

24. Weaver is an idiot, and so is Sanders if he's actively considering this. nt

[Bleacher Creature]

30. Weaver is not an idiot.

He's saying this to rouse up a few more donations before it's too late.

Grifter? Sure. Idiot? No.

[geek tragedy]

37. true, I didn't consider ill intent when considering this.

Sanders is still an idiot if he is considering this.

[phazed0]

49. You have little room to stand on claiming ill-intent if you're supporting Hillary. nt

[Sheepshank]

127. you hit that nail on the head n/t

[noretreatnosurrender]

47. Whiny Little Girl?

Who would have predicted that Bernie would turn into such a whiny little girl.

Did you really just say that? Maybe you should post your comment in the Hillary thread. The people who post there have been searching high and low during this campaign looking for a sexist remark to condemn. Looks like we finally found one for them.

[djean111]

100. Hey, it reminded me about adding it to my full ignore list, at any rate.

Never anything of substance anyway.

[Jester Messiah]

54. Nice misogyny there, Buzz. n/t

[Amimnoch]

45. No worries. She'll have it.

[Motown_Johnny]

48. DUH! I would expect no less.

He should fight until the very last delegate is counted, and maybe even beyond that.


Hillary is not Progressive enough to lead this party much less this nation.

[Fiendish Thingy]

55. Unless there's a couple of O'Malley pledged delegates...

Isn't it impossible for either Sanders or Clinton to end the primaries without one of them having a 50%+1 majority of pledged delegates? Unless it's an exact tie? They can't both have less than 50%.

[sweetloukillbot]

66. There are 4700-ish delegates total including supers

Approx. 4000 w/o them.
A simple majority of pledged delegates would be around 2000-ish which she is almost certainly going to get. What Weaver is saying is that Hillary needs to get a full majority (2385 I think) without the Supers.That is a lot tougher, but still within range for her, she needs about 60% of the remaining pledged delegates to secure the nomination outright. Bernie needs around 67%. Bernie has a slim chance of getting a majority without the supers, Hillary has a better chance, but unless she cleans up in the Mid-Atlantic and California, I'm not sure she will.

[SFnomad]

69. Ding ding ding, we have a winner ... yeah, O'Malley doesn't have any delegates

I think Weaver is trying to say that if Clinton doesn't have the total required delegates in pledged delegates (not counting Superdelegates) ... that they'll contest it. That is, of course, a standard that nobody has ever been held to.

And that would be a standard that Obama wouldn't have been even close to in 2008.

[hopemountain]

59. bernie is set to fight for the dnc platform

for all of the millions and millions of us who are supporting him. we have our eyes on him in the whitehouse. not billary.

[sharp_stick]

60. Of course, but will he

support the nominee if he does not have the majority of delegates? I would like to hear him mention his position in that case.

[Volaris]

64. Yes they ARE pledged when they get there..to the perpetuation of their own power and standing.

The only way the majority of them will back an insurgent over the establishment is if they understand that the power base of the Party has shifted to Sanders.

There's an old adage that politics is the art of delaying a decision until it's no longer relevant..and in terms of politicking, a controversy becomes it's own opposite at exactly 50%+ONE (as soon as the polls showed national support for Marriage Equality above 50% overall consistently, it took less than half of HALF a Congressional Term for the sitting Administration to publicly denounce the idea that marriage isn't a Right).

If the MATH is there, and is indisputable, those superdelagates will support Bernie. If not...

Then we keep doing this until the Math IS there. Cycle after Cycle, Vote after Vote. There's more of us than there are of them, and they can't keep us out of OUR OWN Democracy forever.

[pnwmom]

67. He said he'll contest even if she's ahead -- i.e., even if the math is NOT there.

Why would any super delegate support him then, other than the handful who have already endorsed him?

[pnwmom]

65. Even if she's ahead, he will "contest" the convention. What does that even mean?

He'll go there and give a speech and then watch 500 super delegates vote for Hillary.

[sweetloukillbot]

68. 600 at least n/t

[George II]

73. That's kind of an empty proclamation since, with only two candidates someone will get...

...a majority of pledged delegates, and that will be Hillary Clinton.

Mighty brave of Weaver, weaving this little fantasy. But since his last regular job was running a comic book store, that's probably where he got the idea.

[anigbrowl]

77. No problem for this Clinton supporter

That's the whole point of having a voting procedure in the first place. However, I disagree with Weaver's assertion neither candidate is likely to reach a majority. I think Clinton's chances doing so before the convention are quite good.

[whirlygigspin]

84. since when did open debate become a scary thing?

I would love to see an open convention, imagine the tv ratings : )

[anigbrowl]

89. Who said it was? It seems like you meant to reply to someone else

I'm fine with all of this, I just differ from Weaver in that I expect Clinton to get the majority before the convention.

Now if it's entertainment you want, I expect to be glued to C-Span for the Republican convention, which promises to be a clusterfuck of epic proportions, though not in the good way.

[whirlygigspin]

97. an open convention is your friend

Sorry if I misunderstood your point.

As for infotainment, no. I would leave that to Donald Trump, the Daily News & CNN. Actually building a platform with an honest debate would be a great way to unify people. I still cannot fathom the mad dash to shut down all debate, especially since there seem to be huge numbers of people who need redress.

To think that somehow everything will just go away simply by saying "it's her" is seriously deluded.

Sorry if this takes time away from those wishing to get back to the links

[Land of Enchantment]

87. Nope, not going to happen. CA announced they will let Indies vote in the dem primary and there are

475 unpledged up for grabs. He will get the great majority of them.

[Agnosticsherbet]

79. He is running for the exposure

Telling millions of Democrats that their votes don't matter to him is exposure, I guess.

[scioto99]

94. He's welcome to burn down the house. I like a good melee, personally.

As far as superdelegates: He's more than welcome to court the SD's from states he won. Hopefully he won't stoop to court SD's from states he lost; that would be classless.) But here's his main problem.

Broadly speaking, Sanders is winning the votes of the most born-to-privilege people in America. Rightly or wrongly, that's how his chips are falling.

Hillary is the more popular choice among blacks. Among Hispanics. Among southerners. Among old folks. And she has greater pull with women than he does.

That leaves Bernie with the young, the white, the northern, the male. Oh, and the college kids.

It may well be that getting all those white males - especially those young, northern, white, college boy types - into the fold will help the Dems win the presidency. I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if that's true.

But if the race is close in terms of popular vote and the superdelegates swing to back Bernie, look who we're disenfranchising. Yup - the exact people who get disenfranchised traditionally in this country. The white male voters will prevail - hooray - and the college boys will whoop it up in Seattle and Providence over their lattes.

And the core Hillary voters - primarily black people, southern people, old people, female people, and Hispanic people... will be told to shut up and step aside for the white men who matter more.

That would be a very ugly look for my party. And to see Dems cheer wildly at the triumph of the white male vote over the other-people vote... while calling themselves progressive ... would be pretty hard to stomach.

[whirlygigspin]

105. voting based on looks?

how interesting

Funny how allowing people to actually voice their opinions is seen as now 'burning down the house'

Clutch your pears and shout for fear

[shanti]

115. Total BS

[CoffeeCat]

103. Clinton needs 63 percent of the remaining pledged delegates to win--That might not happen!

I find that interesting.

To win the nomination, Clinton needs 63 percent of the remaining pledged delegates, according to this article. Bernie would need to win 78 percent of the remaining pledged delegates.

It's unlikely--given that the remaining states look favorable to both candidates and that many impending races are tight and tightening even further.

It's possible that both of them go into the convention without the magic number (2383) that secures the nomination in pledged delegates.

We've really got a long way to go in this race. There are so many unknowns. Bernie is ticking upward in national polls, he's won the last several races. NY is a ten-point race and PA is within 6.

I think we've all got many weeks to go.

[Amimnoch]

121. Thanks CC for the rational assessment.

I totally agree that we have a long way to go, and it is way too close to call it for either.

How is the 63% and 78%'s respectively calculated?

From wiki, it's showing Clinton as having a total of 1301 pledged, and Bernie having a total of 1089 pledged.

Calculating the pledged numbers from the remaining states, I'm coming up with 1661 remaining pledged delegates to be won in the remaining primaries.

With 2383 needed to win, this means Hillary needs to win 1082 pledged delegates to clinch the majority by pledged alone (or 45.4% of the remaining 1661 pledged delegates)

On the same 2383 to win, this means Bernie needs to win 1294 pledged delegates to clinch the majority by pledged alone (or 54.3% of the remaining 1661 pledged delegates).

Am I calculating something wrong?

[CoffeeCat]

122. Here is the ABC article, from which I used the numbers

So sorry, that I didn't include the link. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sanders-camp-100-percent-contest-convention-clinton-doesnt/story?id=38231154

I appreciate the sane discussion (those are hard to find around here sometimes). Like you, I'm very curious about the delegate math. I started reading about this because I wanted to understand where the race was.

It looks like the numbers you have and the numbers in this ABC article-- are not similar.

This ABC article is dated Thurs, 4/7, and I assume is current (but maybe not).

ABC is showing that Clinton has 1280 pledged delegates, and Bernie with 1030 pledged delegates (Wiki, as you said has the numbers at Clinton 1301, Bernie 1089). The ABC article reports that there are 1741 remaining pledged delegates (Wiki says 1661).

Looks like Wiki is more current. I'm wondering how that happened when the ABC article is dated 4/7?

[trueblue2007]

113. bernie needs to just shut up.

[stillwaiting]

134. How dafuq have I missed adding you to the list?

There.

[restorefreedom]

119. the problem with this plan is the assumption that the dems want to win in nov.

the party elites and the uniparty establishment does not want a win in november if that win is bernie. he will shut down the corruption and the lobbying gravy train. so they "win" with a republican in the wh. this is why they are determined to nominate hillary. it doesn't matter if she loses, as long as the status quo is not disrupted.

[deutsey]

130. +1

[cheapdate]

131. I come from a sports tradition - you give the race 100% until the finish line. Nothing less.

Without stretching the sports analogy too far into the sphere of politics, I would apply this to the Sanders Campaign.

He has every right to take it as far as he can go, and to win it if he can.

[jillan]

138. Newflash - until Hillary reaches 2383 delegates there is no winner.

Yes she is closer to that number than Bernie but she is not there yet, is she?