Dylan Ratigan Leaving MSNBC
Source: New York Times
June 10, 2012, 5:01 PM
Dylan Ratigan Leaving MSNBC
By BRIAN STELTER
Dylan Ratigan, the opinionated and sometimes hotheaded television host, is leaving MSNBC, the cable channel where he has worked for the last three years.
Mr. Ratigan, whose news analysis show is now broadcast at 4 p.m. Eastern time, said in a telephone interview that he was electing to leave cable so that he could put into practice what he has talked about on TV. Mr. Ratigan has attacked political systems, corporations and special interests on his show and promoted movements for job creation, bank reform and campaign finance reform in the past.
Once youve said your piece, you can either keep saying it and then its a job, good job, pays well, everybody knows your name, its great or you can decide what youre going to do about it, he said. And the answer is, I dont know. But I do know, in order to figure it out, I have to dismount.
On MSNBC, Mr. Ratigan will be replaced by the man whose show precedes his at 3 p.m., Martin Bashir. MSNBC staff members were told of the changes on Sunday afternoon after a reporter inquired about the plan.
Read more: http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/dylan-ratigan-leaving-msnbc/?smid=tw-mediadecodernyt&seid=auto
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)I never watch him.
coldbeer
(306 posts)I quit watching him. STFU!!!
Chris Matthews has the same train ... so annoying. STFU!!!!
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,200 posts)lamp_shade
(14,788 posts)fishwax
(29,146 posts)respect the decision to try to move from talk to action.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)It took time to warm up to Rachel Maddow and Al Sharpton and now I really like their shows. I can't say the same for Ratigan. His schtick was always that both sides are equally bad, left and right. No matter what Republicans did, he would always frame the situation as 'both sides suck'.
SunSeeker
(51,299 posts)asjr
(10,479 posts)anyone on T.V. Glad Martin Bashir is going to replace him. He is afraid of nothing.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)A windbag in love with the sound of his own voice and a proponent of the "both sides are equally guilty" theory of WTF is wrong with American government.
I won't miss him because I never deliberately watched him, but I did make the mistake of turning the TV on a few times when his silly ass show was on. I was pretty lame.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)I really learned a lot from his show, especially when he would almost give a school-type lesson.
I think his opinions about bank reform were spot-on.
citysyde
(74 posts)I found his search for the truth and the facts and the outline he painted as to how our government was being sold out to the highest bidder exactly correct. His views on the way a capitalist worldwide economic system leaves the little guys out, quite correct.
Admittedly, I turned off the TV machine some days when he came on. I just couldn't take all that truth later in the afternoon. But he's got a wonderfully precise view of what we are up against. Can't fault him for that!
KoKo
(84,711 posts)And, I will be sorry to see him go.
But, here's what NYT says he said to them:
Mr. Ratigan said he would keep in touch with viewers through his personal Web site, DylanRatigan.com, which includes a campaign-style e-mail list. Basically my plan is to meet with tons of people, learn from tons of people, and then figure out a way to take the narrative Ive been talking about, and show the most effective ways to resolve it.
That might take the shape of a media property, he said, but no plans have been set up yet. Returning to the Broadway play analogy, he said, I need to write the next script.
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/dylan-ratigan-leaving-msnbc/
wordpix
(18,652 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)... and that's why a lot of folks here don't like him.
I guess they just want a Democratic Party--Obama hack 24 hours a day on MSNBC.
I liked Ratigan because he did call Democrats out when they are wrong, i.e., the Geithner, Summers, bankers and corporatists wing of the Party.
And, yup, occasionally he had on a Repuglican like Coburn, and so what ... I hope Democrats don't become as pig-headed and fanatically ideological like the Teapublican types.
So, I'll miss Ratigan's show, but you've got to give him credit for wanting to do more to really upset the banksters and one percenters and elitists ... than just talking about it.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Raine
(30,520 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)Ratigan spoke my favorite rant of all time:
onpatrol98
(1,989 posts)I always felt like I could trust him to give me the straight story, spin free. I will miss his show. Plus, his rants seemed honest. Not just the...my side good, their side evil...meme that's entertaining, but...lacking in substance. Sometimes you want the whole story, not just half of it. And, I learned a lot without all the conspiracy theories.
MSNBC seems to be dropping hosts like flies all of a sudden.
Judi Lynn
(160,076 posts)He would be perfectly at home at Fox. MSNBC shouldn't stink up a potentially fine cable network by having him and his repellant group working there in the same spot where they could have intelligent, worthwhile people.
Mosaic
(1,451 posts)They have no journalistic standards. They are pure propaganda for the wrong wing. Outlaw them, or this country is really lost.
The GOP sends their "spokespeople" out to call us communists, and you want to emulate them?
Without the First Amendment, we have nothing. Please remember, no matter what your crazy aunt told you, there are just as many of "them" as there are of us.
girl gone mad
(20,634 posts)the first clue about economics.
The rest are just hopelessly lost. Which is, I suppose, what the corporatists at GE prefer.
harun
(11,347 posts)Cosmocat
(14,535 posts)I like a lot of his basic premises, but he was a DIEHARD "they are both bad" type.
Ds are no great shakes, but on their worst days they can not even BEGIN to do the damage the Rs do.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)I liked him a lot. I especially liked that he highlighted civil liberties issues on his show. He wasn't afraid to ask his guests tough questions that made them squirm. He also didn't allow his guests to answer his questions with non-answers. He asked follow up questions which is sorely missing on most of the cable shows. I'm not a cheerleader for the Democratic Party. When they do good I'll compliment them but expect journalists to hold their feet to the fire. I also expect people like us to do the same. You get no free pass from me just because you have D after your name.
monmouth
(21,078 posts)marew
(1,588 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)You can search for his videos on YouTube.
bayareaboy
(793 posts)Speaks the best English I have ever heard.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)PatSeg
(46,559 posts)without sounding rude or aggressive. He comes across as very authentic, likable, humble, and smart. He is a pleasure to watch and the "best English" may be referring to his wonder British accent.
As unassuming as he appears, he does not let people get away with half-truths or flat out lies.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)on purpose - will bring repubs on his show to try and prove him wrong, and calls them out on their bs....
as an example.
About his English - he has a British accent which makes him kinda fun to listen to.
Him and Rachel are the 2 I have on my dvr so I never miss either of their shows.
PatSeg
(46,559 posts)was timing. It seems that his time slot was frequently interrupted for live speeches from the president. Now maybe we'll get more Bashir.
bayareaboy
(793 posts)I like to hear someone who has a good grasp of the language, who can express himself very well and asks good questions.
Would you prefer Huntz Hall?
And I didn't even take it personal.
elleng
(129,788 posts)and keeps the show moving along smoothly. He doesn't take nonsense from anyone, and challenges those he thinks is mistaken, politely.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Martin is so spot on, delivers a powerful punch at the end of his show and then hands it over to Dylan who just bumbles.
Other than that - buh-bye Dylan!
PatSeg
(46,559 posts)It always feels like there is some inside joke there that we're missing. Its all downhill after that though!
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)While Ratigan could be right sometimes, he was often a blowhard and won't be missed.
magic59
(429 posts)so he knew all the tricks of the trade, all the cons the banksters used. He has street smarts and was a pain in their rear ends. I'm sure the banksters are happy he is gone. As for me, I will miss him, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)knew how upset he was over the Banksters throwing the rest of us under their wheels.
I watched the change in him....and it was turmoil. He thought Dem side would be better...but, UNDER THE BUS WITH DYLAN...
There's NO WAY he was going to APOLOGIZE like the rest of those on MSNBC have had to do...an he probably knew that he was going to say something that would "cross his basic principles" and so is bowing out early.
Yes...he made a lot of money...but, many DU'ers only trash those who RAIL AGAINST THE SYSTEM while taking the money and promote those who have values that collide with the FDR Type Dems who TAKE THE MONEY and MORE for FAVOR....and APPAUDE THEM.
Good for you Dylan... A person of PRINCIPLES..has a tough time these days. Finding a Party and a Platform.
He may end up like Geraldo......but, he DID TRY...and that doesn't work ...for anyone who isn't "total inner circle these days."
sendero
(28,552 posts)..maybe 2-4% of Americans have any idea what is happening. Here at DU it's maybe 5%. People who have absolutely no clue what is going on get upset when someone tells them uncomfortable truths. Ratigan told uncomfortable truths, he is not going to be popular with many people because they just fucking don't get it.
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)"... he is not going to be popular with many people because they just fucking don't get it."
Reminds me of the 60's bumper sticker that said: All the world is watching the USA and all of the USA is watching television.
It's tough to spell some words when you've only heard them on TV...
.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)DLC-types, banksters, and tea puppets hated him.
Most people who appreciated his sticking up for the average American victimized by Wall St. will be sorry to see him go, though.
librechik
(30,659 posts)like they were tinker toys.
He's just a business oriented Democrat. Not afraid to call bullshit when he saw it. Goodbye! (of course. among many on our own side saying good riddance.)
And they wonder why the media is further and further right.
gael
(35 posts)doesnt surprise, his program turned from fire to cotton candy, and one has to wonder is the msnbc has again turned from hard truths.
Ilsa
(61,656 posts)his show. I hope his efforts are successful.
flamingdem
(39,300 posts)Ratigan wants to form a third party to undercut the dems, imo
bayareaboy
(793 posts)on his program telling folks that he was a Republicon on many occasions
flamingdem
(39,300 posts)but he did have some interesting fluff segments
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)flamingdem
(39,300 posts)He's not fluff either
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)irisblue
(32,793 posts)His occasional nuggets of wisdom were not worth the pomposity. From my perspective, his guests were much better in expressing their ideas and philosophy.
The hand offs between Martin Basher and Dylan were often laugh out loud funny, he usually looked so goofy in contrast to Bashiers' coolness of delivery and manner.
demgrrrll
(3,590 posts)calimary
(80,521 posts)He came from CNBC and as such, he was completely steeped in 24/7 corporate/Wall Street culture. That's an awfully big bunch of Gordion Knots from which to disengage, and they sure buttered his bread for a long time (and who would his friends be, and who would he hang out with, and whose cocktail parties would he be invited to and who would he go out for drinks and dinner with?) I was never sure he was not still a wholly-owned subsidiary. Like that little camera-cupcake Erin whatever-her-name-is on CNN who came from CNBC, to replace Eliot Spitzer and only served to keep the ratings in the cable news basement. Her inquisitional and oppositional questioning of people in the Occupy movement betrayed who still owned/owns her.
Glad to hear Martin Bashir's gaining from it. Wish they'd give him a two-hour show! He's utterly BRILLIANT!
demgrrrll
(3,590 posts)Very interesting. I am a huge fan of Martin Bashir.
Jake2413
(226 posts)will not miss Dylan and his good friend Sen Tom Coburn. And glad for Martin.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)Sometimes I liked him...sometimes I turned him off. I love Martin Basher!
FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)to Viewers for something she said?
FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:59 AM - Edit history (1)
opposite her... BLOOD BATH!
Edited: typo in subject line.
FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)MSNBC seems to have a history of throwing out their brightest and best...
Yet, their actions are mostly CHEERED ON by "Democratic" Undergrounders.
How can this be?
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)at THEIR GAME!
Good on HIM ...if he decides to do this.
Amerigo Vespucci
(30,885 posts)"...members of Ratigans current staff will work to create a new show for the earlier time slot."
WHY? Assuming it was in his contract and Ratigan gets a cut. Time for The Karen Finney Show.
TahoeGrandpa
(8 posts)I think Ratigan made some good points in every show if you could stand the occasional popinjay persona. I hope he finds new ways to harrass the 1%ers.
renate
(13,776 posts)I never watched his show so I can't comment on that--I do admire him for giving up the big paycheck/steady job if "action" is really his next step--but I'm happy for Martin Bashir. I've only seen him a few times, when he was subbing for Lawrence, but boy did I like him!
Anyway, welcome!
TahoeGrandpa
(8 posts)Thanks for the welcome Renate. I'm tahoekevin from Thom's chat thing a while back.. I think I know you from there.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,753 posts)Amerigo Vespucci
(30,885 posts)She "guest hosted" his show several times recently. I remember watching Rachel Maddow progress from K.O. guest sports to her own show. Karen has shown the same career trajectory. Time for top billing.
earthside
(6,960 posts)Talk about a political hack -- that's Karen Finney.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,753 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,200 posts)who use MSNBC as their news source. I can see why the self professed "uber-liberals" and "third party advocates" here at DU wouldn't care for her. She's a Democrat. And MSNBC has learned that "democrats" will tune in for folks like Karen, Al, Melissa, Rachel, et al. The numbers don't lie.
Hey! There's always Current TV, a few hundred clicks up the dial.
bayareaboy
(793 posts)I just love to see her as being a part of a show. Not only that she makes sense and herself well.
flamingdem
(39,300 posts)but she is quite smart, so if given a chance ..
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)He and Ratigan had some on-air tiffs after Ratigan bloviated overtime and then interrupted Ed after every third word,
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Spacer125
(14 posts)Bring back Keith Olbermann.
AJTheMan
(288 posts)I wouldn't watch MSNBC while they had him on their slots. He's just so pompous and awful. He's like a progressive Bill O'Reilly. He's dumb and offers nothing intelligent. I only started watching MSNBC after they got rid of him.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)on his show and how did it differ from Dylan Ratigan's show? They weren't in competing time slots, if you are aware..... So, Dylan was competing with a different audience.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,200 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)it might be good for us.
Changing MEDIA is what many of us here on DU have been about. And hopefully we will see "THE CHANGE" that so many of us have been hoping for.
CNN goes LEFT and drags FAUX with it as more and more of us and our kids, grandkids and selves are caught up in BAILING OUT THE BANKSTERS.
Frankly speaking....he'd do better there educating the RIGHT "Investors" than speaking to those who feel that the BAIL OUT WAS GOOD and that "Americans got the best deal they could have gotten" after REAGAN, BUSH I and II.
CHANGE IS COMING.....
sofa king
(10,857 posts)Which, of course, is the why.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)It does give credibility to your post.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)bayareaboy
(793 posts)SE Cupp is it seems to me to be just in for working against a demo on the other side of the table. She doesn't have any sort of thing going on except trying to finish things with her BS RePUG theories.
I really think that she is light weight.
mwb970
(11,287 posts)Ratigan goes for the sidelights, the odd angles, the hidden trends. What he doesn't do is analyze the day's news, which actually I would kind of prefer.
AJTheMan
(288 posts)I would change the channel when he came on. I'm not even sure if he's really a progressive. I've heard that he's conservative.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)what is it about Dylan Ratigan that you found offensive to your sensibilities that you needed to post about him in reply to this thread?
You say you would "change the channel when he came on"...but, I would like to know "WHY" you found him so offensive.
Since you are a new "DU Member" it would be interesting to know about this. Can you give more info?
PatSeg
(46,559 posts)I don't think Ratigan has ever indicated he was a progressive. I'm not really sure what he is, but he is very self-absorbed and he speaks in exasperating run-on sentences.
AJTheMan
(288 posts)PatSeg
(46,559 posts)I just wanted to be sure you knew that most of us are friendly here. Your above answer was very sharp and I like your reference to your "Welcome" thread.
I've met some life-long friends here. I hope the same for you. When politics gets overwhelming, there's a lot of other topics to explore as well.
FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,200 posts)gateley
(62,683 posts)Thanks to the link to your 'intro' thread. I like you!
And more importantly, I think YOU'LL like it here. You'll need all the Democratic friends you can find if you live in a Red area.
Hopefully you've lurked for awhile so you know that sometimes things can get testy, but underneath it all, we're very supportive of one another AND the Democratic agenda, natch.
Glad you're here!
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)He offers few solutions if any to the current problems. He is a whiner.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)You've been here since 2009...so you might have an interesting perspective that could give insight to those of us who will miss Ratigan's Wall Street Perspective and his rants against those who wanted to tear down our Unions.
Raine
(30,520 posts)bad news, living in denial means waking up to a horrid reality. Plus he does offers solutions ... maybe you haven't actually listened to his show otherwise you would have heard them.
PatSeg
(46,559 posts)Just buy his book "Greedy Bastards"! He reminds viewers as often as possible.
PatSeg
(46,559 posts)was back in the early days of his show. On two occasions he used baby dolls and puppets as visual effects to explain finance. It was both pathetic and insulting to the viewer. It felt like the segment would never end.
Then he had his on screen temper tantrum, which I thought was scripted. He got a lot of attention, as he took time off to finish writing his book (convenient timing). When he returned, the show became an one hour infomercial for Dylan's book for weeks.
Dylan Ratigan made some good points about the financial system in this country, but his on-air style was grating. His questions sounded more like monologues and his guests only seemed to be props so he could expound on his great and profound thoughts.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)That's why I disliked his show and took the time to do something around the house, like pull weeds or vacuum.
Now can we lose Chuck and Andrea also? What a dream.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Seems like some people are only interested in cheerleaders, Pollyannas, and echo chambers.
flamingdem
(39,300 posts)Just wait and see, this is what he was pushing previously
90-percent
(6,817 posts)I didn't want him much, but I generally liked his style. His coverage of Wall Street and Big Banks was probably some of the best of the recent era.
He seemed to really know the nuts and bolts of Wall Street and Big money and Finance. And he seemed to do a great job calling out ALL THE CORRUPTION.
He was sure as hell no Jim Kramer and I'll have to stay abreast of his new endeavors.
-90% Jimmy
southern_belle
(1,647 posts)I couldn't stand Dylan, and I'm thrilled Martin is replacing him....
gateley
(62,683 posts)but I thought he knew his financial stuff. And he would speak his mind, which I always admire. Like Biden.
I wish him the best.
flamingdem
(39,300 posts)that's a loss. I was never sure what he was using his knowledge for and fret that he'll go about consolidating the various third party / libertarian types to gain a voice for what could split the vote in critical elections. Luckily, he's late for the fall..
gateley
(62,683 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)and i am pleasantly surprised to see how many agree with my deep dislike of this gasbag.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)Paka
(2,760 posts)So I won't miss him. The few snips of him I saw here and there never impressed me much.
savisticate
(1 post)There are more than "a few" positives. He can never be mistaken for conservative...real silly.
He knows the inside Wall St cons. He is more difficult..for you rejecting. Can talk too fast only negative.
otohara
(24,135 posts)Your post!!!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,200 posts)Word Salad!
Hulk
(6,699 posts)Never did care for his style or his message. Actually, I probably never really got too deep in "his message", as his style was such a turn off, I usually flicked the channel before he could have more than a minute of my time on this planet.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)It's very interesting to see the number of people who actually prefer style over substance.
Mosaic
(1,451 posts)Recruit Alyona Minkovski, she is amazing with the truth. She would really shake up the establishment though, and she'll end up at Current most likely. msnbc is really a low rate, minimally liberal channel. We Dems have to wake up to their corporate slant!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,200 posts)the dial.
flamingdem
(39,300 posts)MSNBC is improving
Lost-in-FL
(7,093 posts)Remember
(32 posts)Oh Dylan the one who told the truth. Your famous rant made me proud finally someone stopped bs ing and told it like it is. I will miss listening to you because I am very direct in stating the truth. Hope Your buddy moves over from Current TV. Best wishes and go after the Greedy Basta$ds.
Akoto
(4,261 posts)Often, he came off as self-absorbed. Let your guests talk for a while and finish their statements! This is to say nothing of his almost messianic perception of himself when it comes to creating revolutions.