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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:22 PM Apr 2016

Networks: Bernie Sanders wins Wisconsin primary

Source: USA Today

Sanders entered Tuesday's contest on a winning streak, but one that’s hardly denting Clinton’s delegate lead in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/04/05/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-wisconsin-primary-democrats/82669988/



sanders projected to gain some delegates, Hillary almost as many delegates. sanders still far, far short of Hillary's insurmountable lead.
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Networks: Bernie Sanders wins Wisconsin primary (Original Post) onehandle Apr 2016 OP
Yes! n/t denbot Apr 2016 #1
FEEL THE BERN!!!!!!!!! n/t RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #2
It's as it should be. Mira Apr 2016 #3
A perfect way to end the day!!!! jomin41 Apr 2016 #4
Why are they calling it with people still in line to vote? postulater Apr 2016 #5
Exit polling projections. Chicago1980 Apr 2016 #9
Right. But those people could be influenced and leave. postulater Apr 2016 #21
exactly Pharaoh Apr 2016 #61
Election officials do not call or project elections. former9thward Apr 2016 #90
Yuuuuuuuuuge K&R deutsey Apr 2016 #6
Bernie Momentummmmmm>>>> ErikJ Apr 2016 #7
Seven HUUUUGE victories in the last eight contests! BernieMentum! NY is next! peacebird Apr 2016 #8
Which I don't think he'll win Chicago1980 Apr 2016 #10
Oh yeah, he will win NY. peacebird Apr 2016 #11
and hillary will crawl a cracked and broken path to the convention reddread Apr 2016 #12
Still ahead in delegates? Chicago1980 Apr 2016 #16
I fear tomorrow someone will be crying reddread Apr 2016 #17
Looking into your crystal 8 ball? Chicago1980 Apr 2016 #15
He has won 7 of last 8 contests in a big way. The more people hear him, the morethey like him peacebird Apr 2016 #18
And Hillary one the previous five primaries. Chicago1980 Apr 2016 #20
Yes, she has more pledged delegates right now, but that will change. peacebird Apr 2016 #22
Yes it will. Chicago1980 Apr 2016 #23
LOL! Suuuure she will... peacebird Apr 2016 #25
and lost last 9 of 10 states, in huge fasion. Do you think thats a fluke? just wait till Bernie litlbilly Apr 2016 #44
I think that a number of states were caucuses where Bernie does better, Chicago1980 Apr 2016 #81
Every dent in the inevitability mantra and crack in the Bernie blackout adds up brewens Apr 2016 #52
thinking about it reddread Apr 2016 #19
Kicking and Reccing the Fuck Out of This. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #13
This is not bashing I am just curious. iandhr Apr 2016 #14
MSNBC liberal from boston Apr 2016 #24
He's been here in WI MULTIPLE times. HeartoftheMidwest Apr 2016 #26
Because He's a very important man. He has a full schedule. He's in demand. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #30
Because he is the future president. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2016 #32
That too!! Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #33
totally off topic.... steve2470 Apr 2016 #47
Anna Kasparian svpadgham Apr 2016 #63
thank you! nt steve2470 Apr 2016 #76
You could spend all day on You Tube watching The Young Turks Kalidurga Apr 2016 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Apr 2016 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author DUbeornot2be Apr 2016 #69
Take away the Super Delegates. How does that math look now? LS_Editor Apr 2016 #27
Oh believe me, that lead is surmountable. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #28
INSURMOUNTABLE? Duckfan Apr 2016 #29
A 100 delegate deficit isn't daunting Thor_MN Apr 2016 #35
Bernie is about 250 delegates behind beastie boy Apr 2016 #50
Good thing Bernie raised about $20m more than Hillary last month then. strategery blunder Apr 2016 #55
Touche! Let's hope this will buy him beastie boy Apr 2016 #59
Thanks for reminding me to donate AGAIN. postulater Apr 2016 #94
True, he's got plenty of gravy. beastie boy Apr 2016 #97
See you on 3/2! frylock Apr 2016 #31
You just keep taling about the delegates. that wont get you anywhere. How about litlbilly Apr 2016 #34
+1 and this is troublesome: phazed0 Apr 2016 #37
Thats really all they can say at this point. Delagates...Lets see what happens after Bernie wins NY litlbilly Apr 2016 #41
And California. Fuddnik Apr 2016 #48
Don't forget humble Oregon. CentralMass Apr 2016 #53
Gosh, is that... MATH?! Scootaloo Apr 2016 #58
It is delegates that win the nomination GreydeeThos Apr 2016 #93
It's a shame that the authentic thread on this victory tonight got locked (as a "duplicate") FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #38
Yup. Hissyspit Apr 2016 #43
I just gave it its 125th rec, if that's any consolation. Turborama Apr 2016 #89
Couldn't let people enjoy the win. Hissyspit Apr 2016 #39
Thanks for the update! FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #46
How'bout it! And Bernie outspent Hillary by only 3 to 1! beastie boy Apr 2016 #40
Give everybody a break. Hissyspit Apr 2016 #42
Should I reduce the price of my spin to get some buyers? beastie boy Apr 2016 #51
It's late. You probably have class tomorrow. Why stay up any later smearing threads celebrating FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #45
I wouldn't dream of smearing a win for the Democratic party! beastie boy Apr 2016 #54
actually greymouse Apr 2016 #49
Sorry... beastie boy Apr 2016 #56
Why are you under the impression that people don't know that it costs money to run for President? Hissyspit Apr 2016 #65
Why are you under the impression that I am under the impression beastie boy Apr 2016 #70
So? Hissyspit Apr 2016 #87
Be careful what you are wishing for beastie boy Apr 2016 #98
Sorry rynestonecowboy Apr 2016 #71
Sorry beastie boy Apr 2016 #79
so I looked further greymouse Apr 2016 #73
Do you think I didn't look it up? beastie boy Apr 2016 #84
Better investment than what Jeb Bush made, eh? n/t mwooldri Apr 2016 #60
Absolutely! beastie boy Apr 2016 #64
I'll say! Especially since Clinton doesn't understand the value of a dollar d_legendary1 Apr 2016 #72
Hillary and her PACS together spent less per pledged delegate than Bernie beastie boy Apr 2016 #78
I'd say you're a liar d_legendary1 Apr 2016 #99
Liar? Moi? Mind your manners, Sir! beastie boy Apr 2016 #101
LOL SunSeeker Apr 2016 #105
I'll concede the point d_legendary1 Apr 2016 #106
I will cancel the duel beastie boy Apr 2016 #108
Sanders outspent Clinton 3 to 1 in WI (and that doesn't count his last minute explosion of spending) SunSeeker Apr 2016 #91
See post #99 d_legendary1 Apr 2016 #100
See response to post 99 beastie boy Apr 2016 #102
You really need to edit the OP so it ACCURATELY reflects the reason it is in LBN. Hissyspit Apr 2016 #57
"I am not naive, I know the power of Wall Street and their endless supplies of money." beastie boy Apr 2016 #66
No, there's not. Hissyspit Apr 2016 #67
Public financing? beastie boy Apr 2016 #74
The part where I said what makes you think everyone here doesn't know it costs money to run Hissyspit Apr 2016 #75
Thanks for playing, but it looks like it's past your bedtime beastie boy Apr 2016 #85
Looks like DOUBLE DIGITS AGAIN, BABY!!!!!!!!!! Fuddnik Apr 2016 #62
We all knew the headlines would look like this. rynestonecowboy Apr 2016 #68
It's funny how reading the body of the OP, you'd swear he actually LOST Hissyspit Apr 2016 #83
Bernie Sanders beats Hillary Clinton by double digits in a primary (like . . . sus453 Apr 2016 #80
224 is not "insurmountable".... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #82
Bogus Statements Wibly Apr 2016 #86
Totally bogus! beastie boy Apr 2016 #88
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #92
Congratulations to Bernie Sanders, but... SylviaD Apr 2016 #95
Great win! On to New York. Vinca Apr 2016 #96
His win put him at greater loss. Another way of saying. Clinton kicking ass even in loss. Ah ha. Nt seabeyond Apr 2016 #103
NBC News used almost the same term this morning, "Sanders put barely a dent in Clinton's lead" George II Apr 2016 #104
The win was a blip, at most. The big story from last night is Trump's loss. nt onehandle Apr 2016 #107

postulater

(5,075 posts)
21. Right. But those people could be influenced and leave.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:21 PM
Apr 2016

The same reason the national election shouldn't be called before the west coast states vote.

 

Pharaoh

(8,209 posts)
61. exactly
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:58 PM
Apr 2016

you should never, ever call or even project an election while people are still in line! That is the whole point of waiting till the polls close.

former9thward

(31,802 posts)
90. Election officials do not call or project elections.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:35 AM
Apr 2016

It is done by private groups, namely the TV Networks. They have free speech rights to do what they want.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
18. He has won 7 of last 8 contests in a big way. The more people hear him, the morethey like him
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:58 PM
Apr 2016

Same cannot be said for Hillary. People know Bernie is honest, trustworthy and he has their backs. Hillary, no.

Chicago1980

(1,968 posts)
20. And Hillary one the previous five primaries.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:20 PM
Apr 2016

Yet she's still up in the delegate count and the number of persons who've voted for her.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
44. and lost last 9 of 10 states, in huge fasion. Do you think thats a fluke? just wait till Bernie
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:12 PM
Apr 2016

wins NY. Cant wait to see what you post then. Your meme of the day people will probably just stay in bed that day...

Chicago1980

(1,968 posts)
81. I think that a number of states were caucuses where Bernie does better,
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:57 AM
Apr 2016

especially when time is limited.

How about we let people vote.

If Bernie wins NY then he wins NY.

If he wins the nomination then I'll vote for him, I'm not a brat who'll stomp their feet and not vote.

I'm one of those purists who's "my candidate or bust".

I have better sense than that.

Wisconsin is the same state who elected Walker twice and just elected some batshit crazy supreme court justice. They're a pretty schizophrenic state.

brewens

(13,396 posts)
52. Every dent in the inevitability mantra and crack in the Bernie blackout adds up
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:33 PM
Apr 2016

exponentially. People that like Bernie but may not have gotten out to vote because they have been told it was useless will now be planning to vote. Every win shows them he has a real chance. They now are seeing and hearing him more. The momentum is building!

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
14. This is not bashing I am just curious.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:49 PM
Apr 2016

Why is Sanders in Wyoming instead of giving a big speech in Madison or Milwaukee? Thank the folks who gave you your most important win.

WI is an important state in the general on Wyoming isn't. I understand Wyoming is one of the next states but he could always go tomorrow.

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
26. He's been here in WI MULTIPLE times.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:27 PM
Apr 2016

We worked hard for him; we know he appreciates us!
Like Bernie, we're already looking ahead.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
77. You could spend all day on You Tube watching The Young Turks
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:44 AM
Apr 2016

It's a really good show hosted by progressives. Ana is my favorite.

Response to iandhr (Reply #14)

Response to iandhr (Reply #14)

LS_Editor

(893 posts)
27. Take away the Super Delegates. How does that math look now?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:28 PM
Apr 2016

The Democratic Party needs to do away with the blatantly anti-democratic Super Delegates. The corruption is sickening.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
29. INSURMOUNTABLE?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:29 PM
Apr 2016

Approximately 100 + delegates is far from insurmountable. And thats with pledged delegates-not supers. I can do math thank you.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
35. A 100 delegate deficit isn't daunting
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:01 PM
Apr 2016

which does, however ignore that the deficit is more than 200 in pledged delegates, ignoring the super delegates.

Not impossible, but increasingly unlikely. Sanders is running out of states where he will likely win, with margins enough to make a difference.

beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
50. Bernie is about 250 delegates behind
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:27 PM
Apr 2016

He spent about $1.5 mil more than Hillary to get about 15 net delegates. At this pace, it will cost him $25 mil more than Hillary and 17 consecutive victories the size of Wisconsin just to catch up.

Go Bernie!

strategery blunder

(4,225 posts)
55. Good thing Bernie raised about $20m more than Hillary last month then.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:38 PM
Apr 2016

(I just got home from work so I haven't looked up the projected margin of victory quite yet.)

And his pledged delegate deficit yesterday was more like 230, not 250. Some "delegate trackers" have not estimated WA's delegate allocation yet because those delegates will be allocated at future county/legislative district caucuses. However, like IA, they should roughly follow the initial results, and therefore can be estimated ahead of time with good accuracy (as the media did for IA, but seems reluctant to do for WA).

Depending on the source, and hinging largely on whether WA's delegates were fully extrapolated from our caucus results, Bernie either had 975 delegates (low end) or ~1010-1012 (with our delegates fully apportioned) before today.

That said I do recognize that we Bernie supporters have a long, uphill battle ahead of us. However, I believe that we can do it!

I will celebrate when I can. I do believe that certain delegate-rich states like CA are watching closely.

beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
97. True, he's got plenty of gravy.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:35 AM
Apr 2016

But he is running out of delegates to win. And throwing money at them doesn't seem to work that well.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
34. You just keep taling about the delegates. that wont get you anywhere. How about
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:47 PM
Apr 2016

the huge % of indies who vote for Bernie. You get that over 62% of the GE are indies right? You think they will vote for Hillary? I doubt it very much.

 

phazed0

(745 posts)
37. +1 and this is troublesome:
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:07 PM
Apr 2016
sanders projected to gain some delegates, Hillary almost as many delegates. sanders still far, far short of Hillary's insurmountable lead.


Well..... when I look at the link it looks like Bernie is going to get 44 delegates to Hillary's 28... That's almost double of Hillary..
 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
41. Thats really all they can say at this point. Delagates...Lets see what happens after Bernie wins NY
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:09 PM
Apr 2016

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
39. Couldn't let people enjoy the win.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:09 PM
Apr 2016

Had to get in your subtle sniping.

Edited it to minimize the win and don't bother to update the post.

Tacky.

Here's the correct update:

Bernie Sanders defeats Hillary Clinton in Wisconsin

Heidi M Przybyla, USA TODAY 10:50 p.m. EDT April 5, 2016

Bernie Sanders prevailed in Wisconsin’s Democratic primary Tuesday, continuing his winning streak over Hillary Clinton.

In a victory speech from Wyoming — which holds a caucus on Saturday — Sanders claimed momentum and argued he is a stronger general election candidate than Clinton.

“We are defeating Donald Trump by very significant numbers,” Sanders said of the Republican front-runner, before taking aim at the billionaire class, the fossil fuel industry and super PACs that are funding other campaigns. "Yes, we can change the status quo when we think big and when we have a vision," said Sanders. "I am not naive, i know the power of Wall Street and their endless supplies of money."

Clinton tweeted congratulations to Sanders, adding "to all the voters and volunteers who poured your hearts into this campaign: Forward!"

beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
40. How'bout it! And Bernie outspent Hillary by only 3 to 1!
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:09 PM
Apr 2016

Comes down to about $100 grand per net delegate!

Amazing how little an extra $1.5 million buys these days!

beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
51. Should I reduce the price of my spin to get some buyers?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:31 PM
Apr 2016

How'bout $90,000 per delegate?

...Sorry, it's not up to me to discount the price tag on a delegate. It's a matter of record.

FailureToCommunicate

(13,989 posts)
45. It's late. You probably have class tomorrow. Why stay up any later smearing threads celebrating
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:17 PM
Apr 2016

a big win for the Democratic party?

beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
54. I wouldn't dream of smearing a win for the Democratic party!
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:35 PM
Apr 2016

But I don't mind staying up late to cheer the last runner to reach the finish line!

A for effort!

greymouse

(872 posts)
49. actually
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:26 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie's money comes from people. Hillary's from corrupt BigWhatsises. Plus she's had a decade or two of free publicity.

beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
56. Sorry...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:40 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie spent $3 of people's money for every corrupt BigWhatsises' dollar. That's $100,000 for each net delegate.

Those corrupt BigWhatsises turn out to be much more frugal than the campaign finance reform crusader, no?

beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
70. Why are you under the impression that I am under the impression
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:22 AM
Apr 2016

that people don't know that it costs money to run for President?

I am not.

I am under the impression that it cost Bernie three times the money his opponent spent to get 15 net delegates...

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
87. So?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:29 AM
Apr 2016

It costs a lot to counter all the biased-media lack of coverage. It looks like Bernie won every county but two at this point.

I'm sorry this is hard for you. It must be past YOUR bedtime.

beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
98. Be careful what you are wishing for
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:42 AM
Apr 2016

When you don't buy the media coverage, you don't control what they cover.

If you get your way, this may backfire at Bernie big time.

 

rynestonecowboy

(76 posts)
71. Sorry
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:26 AM
Apr 2016

That doesn't help your argument. If you want to argue that it doesn't matter where the money comes from you should just head over to the Hillary subreddit. Most normal working class Americans are tired of billionaires buying our elections.

beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
79. Sorry
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:53 AM
Apr 2016

I am talking the other side of the equation - how much money is being spent and to what effect. Shows how shallow Bernie's victory is in WI. When ou outspend your opponent by this much, you should expect a landslide! Especially when you claim higher ground, no?

...We are both awfully sorry today, aren't we?

greymouse

(872 posts)
73. so I looked further
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:31 AM
Apr 2016

According to the nytimes, which is the bag for Hillary, Bernie spent $3.1 mil on ads, Hillary spent $2.1 mil.

Current delegate count (still in progress):

Bernie 45 delegates, $68889 per delegate
Hillary 31 delegates, $74193 per delegate

So I guess more money doesn't get enough people to vote for Hillary.

beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
84. Do you think I didn't look it up?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:04 AM
Apr 2016

According to NBC, which is not the bag for Hillary, Bernie spent $2,400,000 on ads, and Hillary spent $931,000, a difference of $ 1,469,000. The net gain in delegates for Bernie is 14. Cost per net delegate, $104928.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/sanders-anti-trump-groups-hold-ad-spending-edge-wisconsin-n550921



...Oh damn, I screwed up.Turns out that Bernie spent $4K per delegate more than I initially estimated. Thanks for alerting me!

beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
64. Absolutely!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:12 AM
Apr 2016

Anyone who throws that kind of money at a primary and still loses, on his own turf no less, is a moron!

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
72. I'll say! Especially since Clinton doesn't understand the value of a dollar
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:27 AM
Apr 2016

She's raised more money than Sanders and still can't put him away:

beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
78. Hillary and her PACS together spent less per pledged delegate than Bernie
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:47 AM
Apr 2016

And Bernie is still 230 of them behind!

Wadya got to say to that?

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
99. I'd say you're a liar
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:53 AM
Apr 2016

According to the FEC Clinton has spent $112,762879 while Sanders has spent $119,378,555 and that's just their campaign spending. Add the Super Pacs into the formula ($3.1 million from Correct the Record and $11.5 million from Priorities USA just to name two) and you'd see that the Clinton camp is outspending Sanders. Rebuttal?

http://www.fec.gov/disclosurep/pnational.do

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00578997

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00495861


beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
101. Liar? Moi? Mind your manners, Sir!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:24 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary total spent $147,722,431
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate.php?id=N00000019

Bernie total spent $122,737,872
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate.php?id=N00000528

Hillary total delegates won - 1279
Bernie delegates won - 1027
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html#!

Hillary cost per delegate: $115,498

Bernie cost per delegate: $119,511

I demand satisfaction!

Tomorrow, 6AM, behind the Trinity church. Twenty paces. My choice of water pistols. Be there, or I will insult your mother!

beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
108. I will cancel the duel
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:11 PM
Apr 2016

And if Bernie starts getting more delegates, you have every right to demand satisfaction. The choice of water pistols will be yours.

SunSeeker

(51,368 posts)
91. Sanders outspent Clinton 3 to 1 in WI (and that doesn't count his last minute explosion of spending)
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:02 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/sanders-anti-trump-groups-hold-ad-spending-edge-wisconsin-n550921

He needed to win by 16 but he only won by 13. Hillary only needed 43% (38 delegates) to maintain her edge. She got that (43.2%). Sanders didn't get what he needed. He couldn't even win 57% in an open primary state tailor made for him like Wisconsin--at 99% reporting he came in just shy at 56.5%.


beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
102. See response to post 99
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:41 AM
Apr 2016

But what does either have to do with Bernie outspending Hillary 3 to 1 in Wisconsin?

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
57. You really need to edit the OP so it ACCURATELY reflects the reason it is in LBN.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:43 PM
Apr 2016

Here is the CORRECT excerpt for the OP:

Bernie Sanders prevailed in Wisconsin’s Democratic primary Tuesday, continuing his winning streak over Hillary Clinton.

In a victory speech from Wyoming — which holds a caucus on Saturday — Sanders claimed momentum and argued he is a stronger general election candidate than Clinton.

“We are defeating Donald Trump by very significant numbers,” Sanders said of the Republican front-runner, before taking aim at the billionaire class, the fossil fuel industry and super PACs that are funding other campaigns. "Yes, we can change the status quo when we think big and when we have a vision," said Sanders. "I am not naive, I know the power of Wall Street and their endless supplies of money."

beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
66. "I am not naive, I know the power of Wall Street and their endless supplies of money."
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:16 AM
Apr 2016

Oh c'mon! Don't tell me there is no irony in the victory speech of a candidate who just outspent his opponent by 3 to 1!

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
67. No, there's not.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:18 AM
Apr 2016
https://berniesanders.com/issues/money-in-politics/

Go home. No one wants to play with you.

http://www.npr.org/2016/02/06/465781632/fact-check-clinton-and-sanders-on-campaign-finance

"MSNBC moderator Chuck Todd asked Sanders why he isn't seeking public financing, a system that was used by the winners of every Democratic and Republican nominating contest from 1976 to 1996.

Sanders: "It is a public financing system that everybody knows is antiquated. It no longer works. Nobody can become president based on that system."

He's right. The public financing system badly needs updating. As it is, candidates get too little, too late, compared to what's being spent in modern campaigns.

A publicly-financed candidate can spend up to $48.1 million in the primaries. Both Clinton and Sanders have already raised more than twice that much."

beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
74. Public financing?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:33 AM
Apr 2016

Are you trying to add insult to irony? What's it got to do with the 3 to 1 ratio in Bernie's spending?

C'mon, don't be a killjoy, play with me some more!

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
75. The part where I said what makes you think everyone here doesn't know it costs money to run
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:40 AM
Apr 2016

for President.

beastie boy

(9,059 posts)
85. Thanks for playing, but it looks like it's past your bedtime
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:08 AM
Apr 2016

I can't make heads or tails out of your reply.

Wanna sleep on it and come up with a comprehensible reply tomorrow?

 

rynestonecowboy

(76 posts)
68. We all knew the headlines would look like this.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:18 AM
Apr 2016

It's almost comical how biased the MSM is. How is Sanders decisively wins 7 of the last 8 states and could upset Clinton in her home state of NY? I called this race for Sanders months ago just due to the enthusiasm gap but with every state it keeps getting clearer that Sanders will win the second half of the primary despite the blackout of his campaign. We supporters aren't the uninformed sheep that the MSM and democratic party assumed we were. The informed people of this country have awakened and aren't going to stand by and let the corporations tell us how to run our country and our lives.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
83. It's funny how reading the body of the OP, you'd swear he actually LOST
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:01 AM
Apr 2016

the state, instead of dominating in all but 2 or 3 counties.

sus453

(164 posts)
80. Bernie Sanders beats Hillary Clinton by double digits in a primary (like . . .
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:54 AM
Apr 2016

. . . tonight in Wisconsin) and only gets a footnote in the news, under several layers of who won the Republican primary - this along with the inevitable analysis by reporters and pundits about why he can't win. Hillary wins a state, and it's like the second coming of Christ.
This is an interesting election year and one where media (as well, of course, as big money) are actively partisan. The tail wagging the dog - love American-style.

Wibly

(613 posts)
86. Bogus Statements
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:12 AM
Apr 2016

The statement that Clinton's lead is "insurmountable" or "far short" is pure spin. It is not fact.
If you have to exaggerate, you've probably already lost, and should not be taken seriously.
The Super Delegates are not counted until the Convention. They can change anytime up until the vote at the convention is called. Counting unhatched chickens does not constitute an ethical or realistic outcome.

Response to onehandle (Original post)

SylviaD

(721 posts)
95. Congratulations to Bernie Sanders, but...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 06:38 AM
Apr 2016

The Wisconsin victory, like the Washington victory, means little in the long run.

My preferred candidate won many states in 2008, but did not win the nomination.

Vinca

(50,170 posts)
96. Great win! On to New York.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:44 AM
Apr 2016

It must mean something when he gets a crowd of thousands at an office opening he doesn't attend. I think he's a got a real chance there.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
103. His win put him at greater loss. Another way of saying. Clinton kicking ass even in loss. Ah ha. Nt
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:31 PM
Apr 2016
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