Bernie Sanders wins Democrats Abroad primary
Source: CNN
(CNN)Bernie Sanders has won the Democrats Abroad presidential primary, defeating former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton 69% to 31%, the organization announced Monday.
Sanders received 23,779 votes from American Democrats living in more than 170 countries. Clinton received 10,689 votes. He picked up an additional nine delegates, compared to four for Clinton.
The contest marks the Vermont senator's 10th win so far this campaign season and his first victory since winning the Michigan primary on March 8. Clinton, who swept the primaries in Florida, Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina, and Ohio last week, has won 19 contests overall.
The nearly 35,000 votes cast in the global primary exceeds the 23,000 votes cast in the 2008 primary, when Barack Obama defeated Clinton 66% to 33%.
Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/21/politics/bernie-sanders-wins-democrats-abroad/index.html
gsb54
(89 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)All he needs to do is net 5 delegates out of each of the 60 remaining primaries and he'll close the gap with Hillary.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)padfun
(1,786 posts)So why should Hillary care? She only likes Americans that "count" like the 1%.
Jemmons
(711 posts)of reasons...
Clifton
(11 posts)I'm living in England, been here for about 2 1/2 years now. My wife is British.
US expats have the advantage of seeing the US and world events a little differently.
We see that what Bernie is saying is the truth. You can have a much richer and fuller life if you push for it.
Ignore all the negative crap you hear - don't quit - don't give up on Bernie!!
alcina
(602 posts)Thank you for saying this.
And welcome to DU.... Have you visited jackpineradicals.org yet?
Clifton
(11 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I just came back from visiting friends and family in England and Ireland - they all pretty much echo your sentiment (not about being an expat but in seeing with a clearer lens). Thank you for weighing in!
pinebox
(5,761 posts)You are correct. Expats see a very different picture and it is amazing how much you realize the rest of America is living in a bubble
Baobab
(4,667 posts)The blockade on news about single payer predates Sanders campaign by a long shot, it has been going on for more than 20 years.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)You, know, typical unaware of facts thing.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Many are working for American companies or as teachers of English or for the government overseas. Some are probably students. They are the American people.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)1178 for Bernie versus 176 for Hillary. I had wanted to vote in the Democrats Abroad primary (which would have made it 1179 for Bernie), but I wasn't sure that I could make it, so I voted in my state primary (some good that did...).
Duval
(4,280 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:43 PM - Edit history (1)
I've got several friends who participated in this vote. One lived in America her entire life, but is now working in Germany for two years. She'll return in October 2017.
What do you mean, "Hillary didn't waste time and money."? LOL.
Are you under the impression that one needs to campaign all over Europe, South America and other continents to win these votes--and that this is what Bernie did? But Clinton didn't because she didn't want to "waste time and money?" Really now.
Ohhhhh...those Bernie rallies is Santiago and Dusseldorf. So expensive, but so worth it!
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Seriously dude, quit it already.
Americans live all over the world and many are military and many are married to people from other countries. They pay taxes, in fact double of what you pay. So quit the bullshit.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)its true, they have to pay taxes twice, not at all fair, IMHO.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)...from pro-Israel organizations. Maybe some of these Caribbean "campaign events" are how he checks up on his stash?
P.S. given Bernie's speech to AIPAC contrasted with Clinton's I suspect we won't be hearing about his secret allegiance to Bibi.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)more than voting against you. oops.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)I voted for Bernie in Florida because that is my voting state...
I choose to live in Canada...far fewer guns...
gsb54
(89 posts)Foreign relations on all levels are good, right? Not just between governments?
Bernie's campaign is one of the People. Looks like people in foreign lands agree.
It is good that Obama is liked in other countries right?
Final point... its okay for Bernie supporters to celebrate a win by their candidate. Don't you think?
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)But she does have time to hold fundraisers overseas to collect money from them.
pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)How do you get the jury to weigh in whether this comment is off-topic?
dflprincess
(28,075 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)bigworld
(1,807 posts)has to be more than just college kids.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)if you look at worldwide education demographics, the chances are that most have college degrees.
Just looking through the country by country results - For Bernie 8.5% + in Canada, France, Germany, 13.3% in the UK (!!!). Looks like Hillary's wins are all less than 2%. Edit: These % are of total itnl vote.
http://www.democratsabroad.org/global_presidential_primary_results
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)the other 31% not so much.
a kennedy
(29,655 posts)Feeling the Bern baby......
pangaia
(24,324 posts)floppyboo
(2,461 posts)the majority of the 69% are white males and female millennials. They left for the hot boys! lol! sorry - couldn't help it.
KPN
(15,642 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)the world, and that is why they are opposing Hillary.
This vote is in opposition to Hillary. That is because living abroad they have even fewer chances than we do to hear Bernie. It has to all be via internet because the media is so negative about Bernie.
These are anti-Hillary votes. Stands to reason.
Duval
(4,280 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,013 posts)that all but ignores Bernie, the better informed one is likely to be.
appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)and have been for decades. Incredibly sad.
Gene Debs
(582 posts)mak3cats
(1,573 posts)...the results issued today are the official results including all votes.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)I'm sure they're working on it however
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)The people abroad see first hand what democratic socialism looks like. And they like it!!
I had a theory that Hill would get killed over seas. I was right!
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Or maybe they just had better neighbors. Either way, that's the winning split one would expect from honest primaries in this election.
Right on. Inch by inch.
modestybl
(458 posts)curious...
geardaddy
(24,926 posts)I know that U.S. territories send delegates the the National Convention.
SamKnause
(13,101 posts)Sanders 9
Clinton 4
geardaddy
(24,926 posts)SamKnause
(13,101 posts)SamKnause
(13,101 posts)Clinton 4
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Also since they are fled pledged and allocated by election I'm thinking they are not actually superdelegates but at large. See http://www.democratsabroad.org/global_presidential_primary_results.
On edit: it is confusing because they discuss supers as being 4 delegates the. Immediately show four delegates to bernie and none so Clinton. But those may also be regional delegates since they are termed "pledged."
It is definitely unclear, and I may be wrong about the supers. Supers are supposed to be eight people with a half vote each. If I am wrong here I'm sorry for not having my glasses on and the ambiguity in the original source.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)This is going to get very interesting?
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Four superdelegates appear to be undesgnated though green papers shows one for Hillary.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Bernie would be a moderate politician in most places outside of the United States & Hillary isn't as popular outside the US because the media abroad isn't all in for Hillary and against Bernie as it is here.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:27 PM - Edit history (1)
Clinton won onoy the countries of Nigeria, Dominican Republic and Singapore. Only 5 votes in Nigeria, Singapore had over a thousand votes on each side but Dominican Republic was a real outlier for clinton, she won for some reason 350 to 60 or something close to that.
But the list of 52 Sanders victories is impressive at the democrats abroad link.
On edit: should be 9-4, supers only partially known. (Ambiguity in my read of the source doc because two groups of delegates, pledged and unpledged, numbered 4)
Loki
(3,825 posts)checked with her and none of the people she knows of are voting BS. Guess it's who you ask. Bernie can win all he wants abroad, but it's here that counts. And to the latest count he's about 900,000 votes behind.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Surely a Hillary supporter wouldn't suggest some votes count more than others?
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)I posted above but a little buried, so here you go
http://www.democratsabroad.org/global_presidential_primary_results
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Talk about a 180.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)when the assumption was that Bernie would win the popular vote but that Hillary would "steal" the nomination using her supers.
Now that Hillary is clearly and WIDELY leading in pledged delegates and the popular vote AND in super delegates, the Sanders campaign has decided that the super delegates and even the pledged delegates should consider ignoring the will of the people who voted for Hillary in vast majorities and support Bernie because...well, they don't offer a good reason to do that.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)here and there faling in Bernie's lap at this point make absolutely no difference.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)No, just crowing ridiculously.
"Suddenly, the Bernie supporters love them some super delegates."
Yeah... Got to be one of the stupidest things ever posted.... then made even more stupid with the doubling down. It's like Free Republic or Focus on the Family .... the holier than thou nuttery... around here.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)or you can celebrate it March 31 (new calendar).
That said, the competition for stupidest thing ever posted a DU is fierce. I don't even come close to matching the stupidities that are in the running.
And nothing holier than thou about reading the numbers. They are what they are. Indeed, the holier than thou part comes in when one truly believes that some miracle is going to occur to change what's already a done deal.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)So it's not assuming that Sanders supporters ignore super delegates because it's a sucky system?
And I know it's Bach's birthday. He's my fave composer!
(Dona Nobis Pacem.... not boots on the ground.)
stopbush
(24,396 posts)So many better choices available.
BTW - the arts organization I work for just performed the B-minor on March 12 with a Baroque-instrument orchestra. It was excellent.
pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)...make that statement more often, it might make Clinton supporters complacent enough to stay home.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts).... hate super pacs and large donations as a theory but to recognize it is the system we have now.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)If you want to conflate the two, be my guest.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)..... the other is the system as it exists. Some what like nature, to be commanded it must be obeyed. The only way to change the system is to work the system.
So, good luck with your "political revolution". And enjoy your super deligates.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'd rationalize a distinction lacking a relevant difference too if my bias required it of me, regardless of the irrelevance of who is a guest or not.
pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)When they represent the popular vote, I'm all for them, it'd be great for this election if they voted proportionally according to how their states voted.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)It's the delegates!
phazed0
(745 posts)Because France is the 4th largest abroad voting country out of 55 countries. The votes DO count, that's just ignorant.
So France, they voted 63% Sanders to 36% Hillary - but your Friend and her Husband know the truth!
And to the latest count, we just got done with Hillary's deep south states.. now it's time for Bernie States, or don't those count either?
You do a lot of proselytizing here on DU Loki. According to France, you're wrong..
Laughing Mirror
(4,185 posts)This is where I live, and these results sound about right to me.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)The results are in! In an unprecedented turnout, up 50% from 2008, 34,570 voters cast their ballots from over 170 countries all around the world, through in person voting, by fax, email, and post, and the results are as follows:
Bernie Sanders received 69% of the vote in the Democrats Abroads Global Presidential Primary, Hillary Clinton 31%.
Sanders picks up 9 pledged delegates as a result of the primary, while Clinton secures an additional 4 delegates. A full breakdown of the total ballots cast for each candidate, and number of delegates received, is detailed below.
DA volunteers worked around the clock and around the world over the past two weeks to verify and count every ballot cast.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)France - 1825 for Bernie; 105 for Hill
Germany - 2103 for Bernie; 805 for Hill
Israel - 249 for Bernie; 160 for Hill
http://www.democratsabroad.org/global_presidential_primary_results
I'm so impressed.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)That's me alrighty.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)I guess you don't remember them using Pres Obama's initials to degrade him? Its immature and shameful.
Loki
(3,825 posts)Or do a have to type out his entire name in order to make you happy?
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)navarth
(5,927 posts)imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,411 posts)I had never heard of this particular primary before.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Estimates of Americans living abroad are as high as 8.5+ million people. The vast majority vote by absentee ballot.
Speaking from personal experience with the Democrats Abroad organization in two elections they have run primaries in now....they are very disorganized and their primary voting process is cumbersome and impractical....and that is in the UK where they were founded. It is even worse in other countries.
Mostly they are social groups that meet to have drinks in a pub somewhere. Every single American ex-pat I know and I know many around the world, vote by absentee ballot.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)MattSh
(3,714 posts)To be registered, you need to be a member of Democrats Abroad. It takes 5 minutes to register.
You then download and print the ballot, fill it out completely, and either email it, fax it, or mail it in.
Absentee ballots are for the general election not for the primary.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)To download a simple ballot I have to download 17 pages of a pdf. Read thru all that and then fill out the ballot and mail it in. Or I could travel up to Cambridge or London and meet in a pub and vote in person while I had a couple of beers and had a £80 train ride that took about 4 hours each way. I could also tell you that by the time I got all these instructions via Democrats Abroad I had already received my absentee ballot. I could also tell you that when I joined Democrats Abroad, it took them a month to confirm membership and they repeatedly ignored my queries via emails about whether or not I was registered with them and when I would have info about my ballot from them. I had given up on them. Now all I seem to get is emails telling me when the next pub meet up is. I am not impressed.
To vote absentee, I filled out one page, sent it off, got my ballot and mailed it back.
And you can vote absentee in a primary for Federal office (ie the Democratic Primary) if you live abroad. It is not just for the GE.
MattSh
(3,714 posts)It's hard for me to believe that the DA operation here in Ukraine is better run and more organized than it is elsewhere, because almost nothing here is better run or organized than it is elsewhere. But hey, there has to be exceptions, and maybe this is one of them. YMMV, of course...
BooScout
(10,406 posts)From here in the UK, from Australia, New Zealand, South Korea and South Africa just to name a few areas. From my own experience, they were disorganized in 2008 and still disorganized 8 years later. Like I said. I voted by absentee ballot.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)is looking at the splits in countries which you might think would be looking for a more hawkish president.
Sanders/Clinton:
Israel - 249:160
Lebanon - 26:6
UAE - 541:334
South Korea - 682:52
Belgium - 227:150
France - 1825:1058
Ukraine - 30:11
Japan - 1178:176
Looks like these Americans abroad feel safer with Bernie
pangaia
(24,324 posts)beside a cruise ship or joining a " Holiday Tour to The Baltics ($999 includes transfers)," the odds are they learn 'what is what.'
One thing they learn, if they go to China, for example, is that the stuff served in 99.9% of Chinese restaurants in the US of A is NOT really Chinese food, which is in fact one of the great cuisines of the world.
They also learn not to order roast beef 'with au jus.'
LittleGirl
(8,285 posts)voters choose which way to vote. Either Democrats Abroad for Presidents or by absentee ballot for state and local (of their last home address in the states). You can't vote twice for Presidential races.
My last address in the states was a red state so chose to vote in this primary instead. If I chose to vote in the state and local primaries, my vote only counts if there is a contested race because that is the only way my old state uses absentee votes.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)country more clearly.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,899 posts)Any increase in numbers is irrelevant when the variables are different from 2008.
Also, when they vote in the general election they will be pimples among many. They will not be voting in a block that results in electoral votes. Their votes will be diluted further when it is counted only in the state they are registered to vote.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)But that doesn't matter because of reasons. Right?
LiberalFighter
(50,899 posts)First off, Clinton has received about 2.2 million votes more than Sanders for 2016 so far based on Green Papers. Wikipedia has it at about 2.5 million.
Between 13.3 and 14.8 million have voted this year.
Clinton vote estimate in 2008 was 18,045,829 while Obama had 18,107,587.
Even with the combined votes in for 2016 it is less than either Clinton or Obama in 2008.
Only four primaries have resulted in a turnout higher than in 2008.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,899 posts)drokhole
(1,230 posts)Way to go, Bernie!
Divernan
(15,480 posts)I agree that foreign travel really gives a greatly enhanced perspective. Back when I could afford 3 or 4 foreign holidays a year (pre 2008 crash when I "donated" my retirement savings to the emerging One Per-fucking-Centers; and when I managed to travel on the cheap), I made it a point to spend at least a week in major foreign cities and capitals - none of this 7 countries in 10 days, tightly guided tours with a bunch of other Americans for those in search of bragging rights at the country club.
I full well realize my experiences don't compare to those of people who live and work year round in a foreign country, but still, I took a CLE class on Law of the European Union in Dublin and wangled an invitation to a closed session of the Irish Senate; spent a week in Prague as the guest of a university professor and his wife who gave me a lot of historical and political insights into their homeland; spent a day at nearby Sachsenhausen Concentration Camp, shopped in the local grocery store & attended operas in Berlin - where I had some very interesting conversations with local Berliners, including the taxi driver who turned off the meter and gave me a free ride - he had turned and said to me, "You vote for Obama, yes?" at which point I showed him my honking big Obama button pinned to my backpack.
While in Belfast, I took the Black Taxi tour - very informative as to the years of divided Belfast, and was the guest of a group of church ladies who very graciously invited me to join them on a boat tour on the River Lagan. They had completely booked the tour boat for that afternoon, but the captain asked them if I could join them. As I boarded the boat, he announced me as their American guest, and they actually applauded! What sweeties!
In France, I spent a week as the paying guest in a beautiful country home in the Loire Valley of a widow who was taking in paying guests, under the counter, so to speak to pay for her son's studies in agricultural college. He was there for the summer, and I had great conversations with them over dinner every evening, when I returned from my day's adventures and explorations.
I found, everywhere - even in Istanbul - a lot of residual good will toward Americans from WW Two. I also got a lot of puzzled, albeit politely put, questions to the effect of "What the fuck was the US thinking of to elect George W. Bush, and then re-elect him!?!?!"
I always made it a point to attend theatre, symphony, local zoos, movies & opera performances - never saw another American at these venues - but found Europeans eager to talk with me. Spent a great week in the Scottish highlands at a nature study center - again the only American.
And while I never required medical treatment while in the EU or UK, I had to get an emergency root canal in Belize, following a scuba diving accident - and guess what! My young, English speaking general dentist (with a dental degree from the University of Guatemala) did a perfect job for all of $36.50 U.S. currency. I'd had 2 root canals before, as a basis for comparison. He gave me an x ray and written description for my U.S. dentist, including size of drill and depth of drilling. My dentist confirmed, yes, a perfect job. The color drained from his face when I told him the $36.50 fee.
I really miss travels abroad.
One of the best things I did for my 3 kids in their high school/college/post college years was encourage and subsidize time spent abroad. One dtr. took an honors degree in economics (undergrad) at University College, Dublin. Another spent a summer living with a single mother and her handicapped daughter in Bremen, Germany, while taking courses there, sandwiched between visiting family friends in the foreign service in Brussels, and other college friends in London. My son spent a year in the Indonesian rain forest doing environmental research - and went on to spend time at the Arctic Circle; Madras, India; a week on the Zambezi River, and 2 years in Alaska - which is quasi foreign country- lol! compared to the lower 48.
Duval
(4,280 posts)I'll have to send this to the 3 people from this family who live in Switzerland and voted for Bernie!
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)..... when you don't have news outlets favoring one candidate over another, but merely reporting on their records and campaigns.
alcina
(602 posts)Thanks for posting. I'd totally forgotten the results were being released today.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)They are urging a Bernie write in. Holy crap. They point out 400000 traumatic head injuries to our troops and Clinton just another Kissinger Hawk. http://www.salon.com/2016/03/21/democrats_you_cant_vote_for_hillary_the_case_for_writing_in_bernie_sanders_if_hillary_clinton_is_the_nominee/
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Congratulations to Clinton for winning Nigeria 4-1, and the Dominican Republic and Singapore. Congratulations to Sanders for winning 52 other countries/ regions with votes from 167 of the total 170 countries from which votes were received from America s abroad.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Singapore is a dictatorship. You get life or execution for a bag of weed and years for spitting on the street.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)working poor people who can not afford to live abroad.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Bern has 855 pledged delegates
HRC has 1176 pledged delegates
Bern needs to average winning all remaining delegates by 58% to tie HRC
So far, Bern has averaged winning 42% of delegates
Aint Happening!
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)So why not 58% for the rest for the cycle?
Which Bible belt states are left to save Clinton?
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Bookie giving 24 to 1 if Bern wins.... u can bet ur $27 turn it into $648 then donate that back to Bern. Good luck to ya!
George II
(67,782 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)blueintelligentsia
(507 posts)Perfect timing, day before an election.
dwrjr
(24 posts)Bernie got three votes from me and my two first-time voter children in New Zealand. This was the first vote my conscience has allowed me to cast in US elections since McGovern. We have come a long way since then. If the millenials hold true to their own values, we will overcome the corporate stranglehold on our government, and return it to the people. #BernieOrBernie.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)GOLGO 13
(1,681 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)But I see he gets delegates. Cool!
Further proof that Hills high unfavorable's do exist.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Too cute.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Thanks for the thread, bigworld.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And has many - MANY - more wins to come.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)I wonder if it's because they don't have the American media blackout of Bernie. . . . . .bet there's a connection.