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bigworld

(1,807 posts)
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:45 PM Mar 2016

Bernie Sanders wins Democrats Abroad primary

Source: CNN

(CNN)Bernie Sanders has won the Democrats Abroad presidential primary, defeating former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton 69% to 31%, the organization announced Monday.

Sanders received 23,779 votes from American Democrats living in more than 170 countries. Clinton received 10,689 votes. He picked up an additional nine delegates, compared to four for Clinton.

The contest marks the Vermont senator's 10th win so far this campaign season and his first victory since winning the Michigan primary on March 8. Clinton, who swept the primaries in Florida, Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina, and Ohio last week, has won 19 contests overall.

The nearly 35,000 votes cast in the global primary exceeds the 23,000 votes cast in the 2008 primary, when Barack Obama defeated Clinton 66% to 33%.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/21/politics/bernie-sanders-wins-democrats-abroad/index.html

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Bernie Sanders wins Democrats Abroad primary (Original Post) bigworld Mar 2016 OP
Excellent news! gsb54 Mar 2016 #1
Hillary didn't waste her time and money: She is working for the American people lewebley3 Mar 2016 #40
Hey. Bernie netted 5 delegates out of that primary. stopbush Mar 2016 #41
Are you suggesting that American's living abroad aren't the American people? pinebox Mar 2016 #43
They're definitely not a part of the 1% padfun Mar 2016 #45
Or to be more pricise: This win for Bernie Sanders does not count because Jemmons Mar 2016 #58
I'm one of those living abroad..... Clifton Mar 2016 #64
Excellent comment alcina Mar 2016 #72
Thanks alcina...I haven't visited jackpineradicals...I'll check it out - nt Clifton Mar 2016 #78
Thank you! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #87
I lived in Germany for over a decade :) pinebox Mar 2016 #101
yes, it will all seem like a bad dream once we do it. Baobab Mar 2016 #105
I think he's just ignorant of the fact that they are AMERICANS living abroad. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #135
Bernie got 69% of the votes, and the voters are Americans who happen to live overseas. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #57
Bernie got 87% of the votes here in Japan Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #111
There are 3 Americans living abroad from my family. They voted for Bernie. eom Duval Mar 2016 #66
Ridiculous Comment...Again billhicks76 Mar 2016 #67
Hey, Einstein, these are Americans! CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #73
Your friend should be working in American where Americans live lewebley3 Mar 2016 #90
Americans live all over the world. pinebox Mar 2016 #102
well put Baobab Mar 2016 #107
What a stupid thing to say. BeanMusical Mar 2016 #113
Well the Hillary supporters do say that Bernie is receiving money in an off-short bank account... JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #126
yeah cause nothing says hey the Military doesn't trust you PatrynXX Mar 2016 #92
I am American... Thespian2 Mar 2016 #93
And yet, foreign relations mean what? gsb54 Mar 2016 #94
That's right! She has her priorities. Hillary doesn't waste her time to get a few overseas votes. A Simple Game Mar 2016 #106
Off-topic pantsonfire Mar 2016 #114
Because Americans living overseas aren't part of the "American people"? nt dflprincess Mar 2016 #119
The things one "learns" on message boards Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #125
Wonder what the demographics are? bigworld Mar 2016 #2
probably at least people with college degrees floppyboo Mar 2016 #11
At least 69% are highly intelligent, moral and thoughtful ... ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #16
Hey, these folks sound just like the people I like to hang around with...... a kennedy Mar 2016 #26
I see what you did there. :>))))))))) pangaia Mar 2016 #37
or floppyboo Mar 2016 #44
Lol! KPN Mar 2016 #70
I assure you it consists of people who understand how bad American foreign policy affects JDPriestly Mar 2016 #62
You're correct. They do understand. Duval Mar 2016 #69
Great! This result suggests that the farther away one is from US media FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #3
The truth, US mainstream media sucks. Thank You *DEMOCRATS ABROAD*!! appalachiablue Mar 2016 #27
True. Americans are fed a constant diet of corporate propaganda... polichick Mar 2016 #55
Isn't this news like two weeks old now? How many of these Democrats Abroad primaries are there? Gene Debs Mar 2016 #4
The previous results were for in-person voting only... mak3cats Mar 2016 #5
This was the only one I'd ever heard about. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #6
apparently corporate media has yet to figure out how to squelch international news outlets tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #7
Bernie isn't considered to be a radical anywhere in the world but here. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #8
That's the bottom line Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #50
Evidently MSM propaganda doesn't reach every location on earth. Gregorian Mar 2016 #9
Does this result in any delegates? modestybl Mar 2016 #10
I have the same question. geardaddy Mar 2016 #12
2nd paragraph. SamKnause Mar 2016 #14
Thanks! geardaddy Mar 2016 #17
You are most welcome. SamKnause Mar 2016 #21
Sanders 9 SamKnause Mar 2016 #13
Yes, Sanders wins 13 including 4 superdelegates, Clinton gets only 4 delegates Land Shark Mar 2016 #19
I see 1 Clinton Super-Delegate and 3 uncommitted Renew Deal Mar 2016 #23
Directly at the democrats abroad link. Let me see if it changed Land Shark Mar 2016 #30
I see 3 -1 but all in Sanders column, maybe green papers has it wrong, what do you see? Land Shark Mar 2016 #32
So it looks like Bernie picked up +9 delegates Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #53
My bad, I think it is 9-4 on the actually elected delegates Land Shark Mar 2016 #63
This isn't much of a surprise... Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #15
Sanders won delegates 13-4 (including 4 supers), and countries/regions 52-3. Land Shark Mar 2016 #18
My friend and her husband live in France, Loki Mar 2016 #20
These votes count too. Sanders 13 - 4 Hillary JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #22
link to breakdown of vote by country floppyboo Mar 2016 #24
Suddenly, the Bernie supporters love them some super delegates. stopbush Mar 2016 #47
It isn't inconsistent to hate superdelegates as a theory but recognize it is the system we have now. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #49
That might hold water had the BSers not railed against the supers for months stopbush Mar 2016 #54
Bernie won both pledged and supers so I don't know what you are whining about JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #56
I'm not whining. Hillary already has this thing won. A few delegates stopbush Mar 2016 #59
I'm not whining. AlbertCat Mar 2016 #76
BTW, it's JS Bach's birthday today (old calendar) stopbush Mar 2016 #77
And nothing holier than thou about reading the numbers. AlbertCat Mar 2016 #81
Can't stand JE Gardiner's Bach. Faceless, fast and fickle. stopbush Mar 2016 #86
I encourage you to... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #118
True, and it isn't inconsistent to.?. reACTIONary Mar 2016 #75
One is a less than ideal nominating process. The other legalized bribery. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #80
One is the system as it exists..... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #96
I'd rationalize a distinction lacking a relevant difference too if my bias required it of me... LanternWaste Mar 2016 #139
While superdelegates aren't going to evaporate... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #117
It's not the votes that matter in the primary as much as RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #25
Maybe your friend and their husband don't get out much... phazed0 Mar 2016 #39
Sanders 73%, Clinton 27% in Paris Laughing Mirror Mar 2016 #46
Turnout up 50% from '08; 34,570 voters! And they count! Bernie-69%!HC-31% Divernan Mar 2016 #82
In Japan: Bernie - 1178; Hill - 176 !!! Divernan Mar 2016 #83
Wow Loki Mar 2016 #97
So glad you're not a victim of arrogance and reckless certitude! Divernan Mar 2016 #103
Yup Loki Mar 2016 #108
Using his initials as an attack is a rotten right wing tactic. liberalnarb Mar 2016 #120
I used his first name, duh. Loki Mar 2016 #121
... liberalnarb Mar 2016 #124
They do this in the Hillary group frequently too. I swear some of them make me wonder who is a (D) JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #128
good. navarth Mar 2016 #28
K & R imagine2015 Mar 2016 #29
Color me ignorant Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2016 #31
The majority of Americans living abroad vote by absentee ballots BooScout Mar 2016 #33
Yes, this is more akin to a poll, except it counts. total # votes: 34,570 floppyboo Mar 2016 #36
Meh BooScout Mar 2016 #38
Ok. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #51
Well in 2016, it's definitely NOT a cumbersome process... MattSh Mar 2016 #130
Since I am a member of Democrats Abroad I will disagree... BooScout Mar 2016 #131
And since I am a member of Democrats Abroad I will disagree with your disagreement... MattSh Mar 2016 #137
I've had expats from all over the world tell me similar stories about DA... BooScout Mar 2016 #138
What I found very interesting re. Americans abroad floppyboo Mar 2016 #34
When Americans get out of America and actually go somewhere, pangaia Mar 2016 #35
For state elections LittleGirl Mar 2016 #42
They can see the zentrum Mar 2016 #48
Yes, well they're well aware of HRC's foreign policy and its impact. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #52
Making much ado about nothing in my opinion. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #60
So Sanders got more votes himself than the total people who voted in 2008. mhatrw Mar 2016 #88
That is not true. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #110
The context was pretty clearly limited to the Democrats Abroad primary. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #129
So it should be based on just one primary. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #140
Travel enhances the palette for creative expression and critical thinking... drokhole Mar 2016 #61
These well-informed voters are WORKING abroad, not just visiting Divernan Mar 2016 #91
Great news. Duval Mar 2016 #65
This is what happens.... AlbertCat Mar 2016 #68
Woo hoo! alcina Mar 2016 #71
Salon Says Hillary Merging Republican Hawks Into Democratic Party billhicks76 Mar 2016 #74
52 countries/regions for Sanders, 3 for Hillary Clinton Land Shark Mar 2016 #133
Agreed billhicks76 Mar 2016 #134
Hillary supporter are mostly Cryptoad Mar 2016 #79
Updated Delegate Count Cryptoad Mar 2016 #84
Sanders has now won nearly 54% of the pledged delegates to date outside of the Bible belt. mhatrw Mar 2016 #89
U need to bet some money on that Cryptoad Mar 2016 #95
10th "win"? George II Mar 2016 #85
"I was in the pool!" BeanMusical Mar 2016 #115
Keep on rolling, Bernie supporters! Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #98
This is amazing! blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #99
3 from here! dwrjr Mar 2016 #100
Yes, I do think people who currently live outside this country have a better POV. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #104
Outside The US People See Without Blinders billhicks76 Mar 2016 #109
Feel,the Bern! GOLGO 13 Mar 2016 #112
Kick and R BeanMusical Mar 2016 #116
I thought this was just some global poll of some kind. Left Coast2020 Mar 2016 #122
!! polly7 Mar 2016 #123
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #127
Truth be told, rigging's be voided, Bernie has won a lot more. laserhaas Mar 2016 #132
Don't forget . . . . bigger voter turnout and bigger margin win than Obama. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #136

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
41. Hey. Bernie netted 5 delegates out of that primary.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:07 PM
Mar 2016

All he needs to do is net 5 delegates out of each of the 60 remaining primaries and he'll close the gap with Hillary.

padfun

(1,786 posts)
45. They're definitely not a part of the 1%
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:15 PM
Mar 2016

So why should Hillary care? She only likes Americans that "count" like the 1%.

Clifton

(11 posts)
64. I'm one of those living abroad.....
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:56 PM
Mar 2016

I'm living in England, been here for about 2 1/2 years now. My wife is British.
US expats have the advantage of seeing the US and world events a little differently.
We see that what Bernie is saying is the truth. You can have a much richer and fuller life if you push for it.
Ignore all the negative crap you hear - don't quit - don't give up on Bernie!!

alcina

(602 posts)
72. Excellent comment
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:14 PM
Mar 2016

Thank you for saying this.

And welcome to DU.... Have you visited jackpineradicals.org yet?

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
87. Thank you!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:45 PM
Mar 2016

I just came back from visiting friends and family in England and Ireland - they all pretty much echo your sentiment (not about being an expat but in seeing with a clearer lens). Thank you for weighing in!

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
101. I lived in Germany for over a decade :)
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:48 PM
Mar 2016

You are correct. Expats see a very different picture and it is amazing how much you realize the rest of America is living in a bubble

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
105. yes, it will all seem like a bad dream once we do it.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:25 PM
Mar 2016

The blockade on news about single payer predates Sanders campaign by a long shot, it has been going on for more than 20 years.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
135. I think he's just ignorant of the fact that they are AMERICANS living abroad.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:59 AM
Mar 2016

You, know, typical unaware of facts thing.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
57. Bernie got 69% of the votes, and the voters are Americans who happen to live overseas.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:39 PM
Mar 2016

Many are working for American companies or as teachers of English or for the government overseas. Some are probably students. They are the American people.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
111. Bernie got 87% of the votes here in Japan
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:20 PM
Mar 2016

1178 for Bernie versus 176 for Hillary. I had wanted to vote in the Democrats Abroad primary (which would have made it 1179 for Bernie), but I wasn't sure that I could make it, so I voted in my state primary (some good that did...).

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
73. Hey, Einstein, these are Americans!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:17 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:43 PM - Edit history (1)

I've got several friends who participated in this vote. One lived in America her entire life, but is now working in Germany for two years. She'll return in October 2017.

What do you mean, "Hillary didn't waste time and money."? LOL.

Are you under the impression that one needs to campaign all over Europe, South America and other continents to win these votes--and that this is what Bernie did? But Clinton didn't because she didn't want to "waste time and money?" Really now.

Ohhhhh...those Bernie rallies is Santiago and Dusseldorf. So expensive, but so worth it!

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
102. Americans live all over the world.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:49 PM
Mar 2016

Seriously dude, quit it already.
Americans live all over the world and many are military and many are married to people from other countries. They pay taxes, in fact double of what you pay. So quit the bullshit.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
126. Well the Hillary supporters do say that Bernie is receiving money in an off-short bank account...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:12 AM
Mar 2016

...from pro-Israel organizations. Maybe some of these Caribbean "campaign events" are how he checks up on his stash?

P.S. given Bernie's speech to AIPAC contrasted with Clinton's I suspect we won't be hearing about his secret allegiance to Bibi.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
93. I am American...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:24 PM
Mar 2016

I voted for Bernie in Florida because that is my voting state...

I choose to live in Canada...far fewer guns...

 

gsb54

(89 posts)
94. And yet, foreign relations mean what?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:48 PM
Mar 2016

Foreign relations on all levels are good, right? Not just between governments?

Bernie's campaign is one of the People. Looks like people in foreign lands agree.

It is good that Obama is liked in other countries right?

Final point... its okay for Bernie supporters to celebrate a win by their candidate. Don't you think?

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
106. That's right! She has her priorities. Hillary doesn't waste her time to get a few overseas votes.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:26 PM
Mar 2016

But she does have time to hold fundraisers overseas to collect money from them.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
11. probably at least people with college degrees
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:14 PM
Mar 2016

if you look at worldwide education demographics, the chances are that most have college degrees.
Just looking through the country by country results - For Bernie 8.5% + in Canada, France, Germany, 13.3% in the UK (!!!). Looks like Hillary's wins are all less than 2%. Edit: These % are of total itnl vote.
http://www.democratsabroad.org/global_presidential_primary_results

a kennedy

(29,655 posts)
26. Hey, these folks sound just like the people I like to hang around with......
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:32 PM
Mar 2016

Feeling the Bern baby......

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
44. or
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:10 PM
Mar 2016

the majority of the 69% are white males and female millennials. They left for the hot boys! lol! sorry - couldn't help it.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
62. I assure you it consists of people who understand how bad American foreign policy affects
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:47 PM
Mar 2016

the world, and that is why they are opposing Hillary.

This vote is in opposition to Hillary. That is because living abroad they have even fewer chances than we do to hear Bernie. It has to all be via internet because the media is so negative about Bernie.

These are anti-Hillary votes. Stands to reason.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,013 posts)
3. Great! This result suggests that the farther away one is from US media
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:54 PM
Mar 2016

that all but ignores Bernie, the better informed one is likely to be.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
55. True. Americans are fed a constant diet of corporate propaganda...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:38 PM
Mar 2016

and have been for decades. Incredibly sad.

mak3cats

(1,573 posts)
5. The previous results were for in-person voting only...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:57 PM
Mar 2016

...the results issued today are the official results including all votes.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
7. apparently corporate media has yet to figure out how to squelch international news outlets
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:58 PM
Mar 2016

I'm sure they're working on it however

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
50. That's the bottom line
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:26 PM
Mar 2016

The people abroad see first hand what democratic socialism looks like. And they like it!!

I had a theory that Hill would get killed over seas. I was right!

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
9. Evidently MSM propaganda doesn't reach every location on earth.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:08 PM
Mar 2016

Or maybe they just had better neighbors. Either way, that's the winning split one would expect from honest primaries in this election.

Right on. Inch by inch.

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
32. I see 3 -1 but all in Sanders column, maybe green papers has it wrong, what do you see?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:49 PM
Mar 2016

Also since they are fled pledged and allocated by election I'm thinking they are not actually superdelegates but at large. See http://www.democratsabroad.org/global_presidential_primary_results.

On edit: it is confusing because they discuss supers as being 4 delegates the. Immediately show four delegates to bernie and none so Clinton. But those may also be regional delegates since they are termed "pledged."

It is definitely unclear, and I may be wrong about the supers. Supers are supposed to be eight people with a half vote each. If I am wrong here I'm sorry for not having my glasses on and the ambiguity in the original source.

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
63. My bad, I think it is 9-4 on the actually elected delegates
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:56 PM
Mar 2016

Four superdelegates appear to be undesgnated though green papers shows one for Hillary.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
15. This isn't much of a surprise...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:17 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie would be a moderate politician in most places outside of the United States & Hillary isn't as popular outside the US because the media abroad isn't all in for Hillary and against Bernie as it is here.

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
18. Sanders won delegates 13-4 (including 4 supers), and countries/regions 52-3.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:22 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:27 PM - Edit history (1)

Clinton won onoy the countries of Nigeria, Dominican Republic and Singapore. Only 5 votes in Nigeria, Singapore had over a thousand votes on each side but Dominican Republic was a real outlier for clinton, she won for some reason 350 to 60 or something close to that.

But the list of 52 Sanders victories is impressive at the democrats abroad link.

On edit: should be 9-4, supers only partially known. (Ambiguity in my read of the source doc because two groups of delegates, pledged and unpledged, numbered 4)

Loki

(3,825 posts)
20. My friend and her husband live in France,
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:24 PM
Mar 2016

checked with her and none of the people she knows of are voting BS. Guess it's who you ask. Bernie can win all he wants abroad, but it's here that counts. And to the latest count he's about 900,000 votes behind.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
22. These votes count too. Sanders 13 - 4 Hillary
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:28 PM
Mar 2016


Surely a Hillary supporter wouldn't suggest some votes count more than others?

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
54. That might hold water had the BSers not railed against the supers for months
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:32 PM
Mar 2016

when the assumption was that Bernie would win the popular vote but that Hillary would "steal" the nomination using her supers.

Now that Hillary is clearly and WIDELY leading in pledged delegates and the popular vote AND in super delegates, the Sanders campaign has decided that the super delegates and even the pledged delegates should consider ignoring the will of the people who voted for Hillary in vast majorities and support Bernie because...well, they don't offer a good reason to do that.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
59. I'm not whining. Hillary already has this thing won. A few delegates
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:42 PM
Mar 2016

here and there faling in Bernie's lap at this point make absolutely no difference.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
76. I'm not whining.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:19 PM
Mar 2016

No, just crowing ridiculously.

"Suddenly, the Bernie supporters love them some super delegates."

Yeah... Got to be one of the stupidest things ever posted.... then made even more stupid with the doubling down. It's like Free Republic or Focus on the Family .... the holier than thou nuttery... around here.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
77. BTW, it's JS Bach's birthday today (old calendar)
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:22 PM
Mar 2016

or you can celebrate it March 31 (new calendar).

That said, the competition for stupidest thing ever posted a DU is fierce. I don't even come close to matching the stupidities that are in the running.

And nothing holier than thou about reading the numbers. They are what they are. Indeed, the holier than thou part comes in when one truly believes that some miracle is going to occur to change what's already a done deal.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
81. And nothing holier than thou about reading the numbers.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:29 PM
Mar 2016

So it's not assuming that Sanders supporters ignore super delegates because it's a sucky system?


And I know it's Bach's birthday. He's my fave composer!




(Dona Nobis Pacem.... not boots on the ground.)

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
86. Can't stand JE Gardiner's Bach. Faceless, fast and fickle.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:40 PM
Mar 2016

So many better choices available.

BTW - the arts organization I work for just performed the B-minor on March 12 with a Baroque-instrument orchestra. It was excellent.

 

pantsonfire

(1,306 posts)
118. I encourage you to...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

...make that statement more often, it might make Clinton supporters complacent enough to stay home.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
75. True, and it isn't inconsistent to.?.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:18 PM
Mar 2016

.... hate super pacs and large donations as a theory but to recognize it is the system we have now.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
80. One is a less than ideal nominating process. The other legalized bribery.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:26 PM
Mar 2016

If you want to conflate the two, be my guest.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
96. One is the system as it exists.....
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:03 PM
Mar 2016

..... the other is the system as it exists. Some what like nature, to be commanded it must be obeyed. The only way to change the system is to work the system.

So, good luck with your "political revolution". And enjoy your super deligates.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
139. I'd rationalize a distinction lacking a relevant difference too if my bias required it of me...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:59 AM
Mar 2016

I'd rationalize a distinction lacking a relevant difference too if my bias required it of me, regardless of the irrelevance of who is a guest or not.

 

pantsonfire

(1,306 posts)
117. While superdelegates aren't going to evaporate...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

When they represent the popular vote, I'm all for them, it'd be great for this election if they voted proportionally according to how their states voted.

 

phazed0

(745 posts)
39. Maybe your friend and their husband don't get out much...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:02 PM
Mar 2016

Because France is the 4th largest abroad voting country out of 55 countries. The votes DO count, that's just ignorant.

So France, they voted 63% Sanders to 36% Hillary - but your Friend and her Husband know the truth!

And to the latest count, we just got done with Hillary's deep south states.. now it's time for Bernie States, or don't those count either?

You do a lot of proselytizing here on DU Loki. According to France, you're wrong..

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
82. Turnout up 50% from '08; 34,570 voters! And they count! Bernie-69%!HC-31%
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:30 PM
Mar 2016
The results are in! In an unprecedented turnout, up 50% from 2008, 34,570 voters cast their ballots from over 170 countries all around the world, through in person voting, by fax, email, and post, and the results are as follows:

Bernie Sanders received 69% of the vote in the Democrats Abroad’s Global Presidential Primary, Hillary Clinton 31%.

Sanders picks up 9 pledged delegates as a result of the primary, while Clinton secures an additional 4 delegates. A full breakdown of the total ballots cast for each candidate, and number of delegates received, is detailed below.

DA volunteers worked around the clock and around the world over the past two weeks to verify and count every ballot cast.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
83. In Japan: Bernie - 1178; Hill - 176 !!!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:34 PM
Mar 2016

France - 1825 for Bernie; 105 for Hill

Germany - 2103 for Bernie; 805 for Hill


Israel - 249 for Bernie; 160 for Hill


http://www.democratsabroad.org/global_presidential_primary_results

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
120. Using his initials as an attack is a rotten right wing tactic.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:15 PM
Mar 2016

I guess you don't remember them using Pres Obama's initials to degrade him? Its immature and shameful.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
33. The majority of Americans living abroad vote by absentee ballots
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:51 PM
Mar 2016

Estimates of Americans living abroad are as high as 8.5+ million people. The vast majority vote by absentee ballot.

Speaking from personal experience with the Democrats Abroad organization in two elections they have run primaries in now....they are very disorganized and their primary voting process is cumbersome and impractical....and that is in the UK where they were founded. It is even worse in other countries.

Mostly they are social groups that meet to have drinks in a pub somewhere. Every single American ex-pat I know and I know many around the world, vote by absentee ballot.

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
130. Well in 2016, it's definitely NOT a cumbersome process...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:52 AM
Mar 2016

To be registered, you need to be a member of Democrats Abroad. It takes 5 minutes to register.

You then download and print the ballot, fill it out completely, and either email it, fax it, or mail it in.

Absentee ballots are for the general election not for the primary.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
131. Since I am a member of Democrats Abroad I will disagree...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:22 AM
Mar 2016

To download a simple ballot I have to download 17 pages of a pdf. Read thru all that and then fill out the ballot and mail it in. Or I could travel up to Cambridge or London and meet in a pub and vote in person while I had a couple of beers and had a £80 train ride that took about 4 hours each way. I could also tell you that by the time I got all these instructions via Democrats Abroad I had already received my absentee ballot. I could also tell you that when I joined Democrats Abroad, it took them a month to confirm membership and they repeatedly ignored my queries via emails about whether or not I was registered with them and when I would have info about my ballot from them. I had given up on them. Now all I seem to get is emails telling me when the next pub meet up is. I am not impressed.


To vote absentee, I filled out one page, sent it off, got my ballot and mailed it back.

And you can vote absentee in a primary for Federal office (ie the Democratic Primary) if you live abroad. It is not just for the GE.

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
137. And since I am a member of Democrats Abroad I will disagree with your disagreement...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:38 AM
Mar 2016

It's hard for me to believe that the DA operation here in Ukraine is better run and more organized than it is elsewhere, because almost nothing here is better run or organized than it is elsewhere. But hey, there has to be exceptions, and maybe this is one of them. YMMV, of course...

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
138. I've had expats from all over the world tell me similar stories about DA...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:48 AM
Mar 2016

From here in the UK, from Australia, New Zealand, South Korea and South Africa just to name a few areas. From my own experience, they were disorganized in 2008 and still disorganized 8 years later. Like I said. I voted by absentee ballot.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
34. What I found very interesting re. Americans abroad
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:51 PM
Mar 2016

is looking at the splits in countries which you might think would be looking for a more hawkish president.
Sanders/Clinton:
Israel - 249:160
Lebanon - 26:6
UAE - 541:334
South Korea - 682:52
Belgium - 227:150
France - 1825:1058
Ukraine - 30:11
Japan - 1178:176

Looks like these Americans abroad feel safer with Bernie

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
35. When Americans get out of America and actually go somewhere,
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:53 PM
Mar 2016

beside a cruise ship or joining a " Holiday Tour to The Baltics ($999 includes transfers)," the odds are they learn 'what is what.'

One thing they learn, if they go to China, for example, is that the stuff served in 99.9% of Chinese restaurants in the US of A is NOT really Chinese food, which is in fact one of the great cuisines of the world.

They also learn not to order roast beef 'with au jus.'







LittleGirl

(8,285 posts)
42. For state elections
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:07 PM
Mar 2016

voters choose which way to vote. Either Democrats Abroad for Presidents or by absentee ballot for state and local (of their last home address in the states). You can't vote twice for Presidential races.

My last address in the states was a red state so chose to vote in this primary instead. If I chose to vote in the state and local primaries, my vote only counts if there is a contested race because that is the only way my old state uses absentee votes.

LiberalFighter

(50,899 posts)
60. Making much ado about nothing in my opinion.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:45 PM
Mar 2016

Any increase in numbers is irrelevant when the variables are different from 2008.

Also, when they vote in the general election they will be pimples among many. They will not be voting in a block that results in electoral votes. Their votes will be diluted further when it is counted only in the state they are registered to vote.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
88. So Sanders got more votes himself than the total people who voted in 2008.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:50 PM
Mar 2016

But that doesn't matter because of reasons. Right?

LiberalFighter

(50,899 posts)
110. That is not true.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:04 PM
Mar 2016

First off, Clinton has received about 2.2 million votes more than Sanders for 2016 so far based on Green Papers. Wikipedia has it at about 2.5 million.

Between 13.3 and 14.8 million have voted this year.

Clinton vote estimate in 2008 was 18,045,829 while Obama had 18,107,587.

Even with the combined votes in for 2016 it is less than either Clinton or Obama in 2008.

Only four primaries have resulted in a turnout higher than in 2008.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
91. These well-informed voters are WORKING abroad, not just visiting
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:21 PM
Mar 2016

I agree that foreign travel really gives a greatly enhanced perspective. Back when I could afford 3 or 4 foreign holidays a year (pre 2008 crash when I "donated" my retirement savings to the emerging One Per-fucking-Centers; and when I managed to travel on the cheap), I made it a point to spend at least a week in major foreign cities and capitals - none of this 7 countries in 10 days, tightly guided tours with a bunch of other Americans for those in search of bragging rights at the country club.

I full well realize my experiences don't compare to those of people who live and work year round in a foreign country, but still, I took a CLE class on Law of the European Union in Dublin and wangled an invitation to a closed session of the Irish Senate; spent a week in Prague as the guest of a university professor and his wife who gave me a lot of historical and political insights into their homeland; spent a day at nearby Sachsenhausen Concentration Camp, shopped in the local grocery store & attended operas in Berlin - where I had some very interesting conversations with local Berliners, including the taxi driver who turned off the meter and gave me a free ride - he had turned and said to me, "You vote for Obama, yes?" at which point I showed him my honking big Obama button pinned to my backpack.

While in Belfast, I took the Black Taxi tour - very informative as to the years of divided Belfast, and was the guest of a group of church ladies who very graciously invited me to join them on a boat tour on the River Lagan. They had completely booked the tour boat for that afternoon, but the captain asked them if I could join them. As I boarded the boat, he announced me as their American guest, and they actually applauded! What sweeties!

In France, I spent a week as the paying guest in a beautiful country home in the Loire Valley of a widow who was taking in paying guests, under the counter, so to speak to pay for her son's studies in agricultural college. He was there for the summer, and I had great conversations with them over dinner every evening, when I returned from my day's adventures and explorations.

I found, everywhere - even in Istanbul - a lot of residual good will toward Americans from WW Two. I also got a lot of puzzled, albeit politely put, questions to the effect of "What the fuck was the US thinking of to elect George W. Bush, and then re-elect him!?!?!"

I always made it a point to attend theatre, symphony, local zoos, movies & opera performances - never saw another American at these venues - but found Europeans eager to talk with me. Spent a great week in the Scottish highlands at a nature study center - again the only American.


And while I never required medical treatment while in the EU or UK, I had to get an emergency root canal in Belize, following a scuba diving accident - and guess what! My young, English speaking general dentist (with a dental degree from the University of Guatemala) did a perfect job for all of $36.50 U.S. currency. I'd had 2 root canals before, as a basis for comparison. He gave me an x ray and written description for my U.S. dentist, including size of drill and depth of drilling. My dentist confirmed, yes, a perfect job. The color drained from his face when I told him the $36.50 fee.

I really miss travels abroad.

One of the best things I did for my 3 kids in their high school/college/post college years was encourage and subsidize time spent abroad. One dtr. took an honors degree in economics (undergrad) at University College, Dublin. Another spent a summer living with a single mother and her handicapped daughter in Bremen, Germany, while taking courses there, sandwiched between visiting family friends in the foreign service in Brussels, and other college friends in London. My son spent a year in the Indonesian rain forest doing environmental research - and went on to spend time at the Arctic Circle; Madras, India; a week on the Zambezi River, and 2 years in Alaska - which is quasi foreign country- lol! compared to the lower 48.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
65. Great news.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:58 PM
Mar 2016

I'll have to send this to the 3 people from this family who live in Switzerland and voted for Bernie!

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
68. This is what happens....
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:02 PM
Mar 2016

..... when you don't have news outlets favoring one candidate over another, but merely reporting on their records and campaigns.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
74. Salon Says Hillary Merging Republican Hawks Into Democratic Party
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:17 PM
Mar 2016

They are urging a Bernie write in. Holy crap. They point out 400000 traumatic head injuries to our troops and Clinton just another Kissinger Hawk. http://www.salon.com/2016/03/21/democrats_you_cant_vote_for_hillary_the_case_for_writing_in_bernie_sanders_if_hillary_clinton_is_the_nominee/

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
133. 52 countries/regions for Sanders, 3 for Hillary Clinton
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:50 AM
Mar 2016

Congratulations to Clinton for winning Nigeria 4-1, and the Dominican Republic and Singapore. Congratulations to Sanders for winning 52 other countries/ regions with votes from 167 of the total 170 countries from which votes were received from America s abroad.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
134. Agreed
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:54 AM
Mar 2016

Singapore is a dictatorship. You get life or execution for a bag of weed and years for spitting on the street.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
84. Updated Delegate Count
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:37 PM
Mar 2016


Bern has 855 pledged delegates

HRC has 1176 pledged delegates


Bern needs to average winning all remaining delegates by 58% to tie HRC

So far, Bern has averaged winning 42% of delegates

Aint Happening!


mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
89. Sanders has now won nearly 54% of the pledged delegates to date outside of the Bible belt.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:54 PM
Mar 2016

So why not 58% for the rest for the cycle?

Which Bible belt states are left to save Clinton?

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
95. U need to bet some money on that
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:01 PM
Mar 2016

Bookie giving 24 to 1 if Bern wins.... u can bet ur $27 turn it into $648 then donate that back to Bern. Good luck to ya!

dwrjr

(24 posts)
100. 3 from here!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:32 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie got three votes from me and my two first-time voter children in New Zealand. This was the first vote my conscience has allowed me to cast in US elections since McGovern. We have come a long way since then. If the millenials hold true to their own values, we will overcome the corporate stranglehold on our government, and return it to the people. #BernieOrBernie.

Left Coast2020

(2,397 posts)
122. I thought this was just some global poll of some kind.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:16 AM
Mar 2016

But I see he gets delegates. Cool!

Further proof that Hills high unfavorable's do exist.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
132. Truth be told, rigging's be voided, Bernie has won a lot more.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:41 AM
Mar 2016

And has many - MANY - more wins to come.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
136. Don't forget . . . . bigger voter turnout and bigger margin win than Obama.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:01 AM
Mar 2016

I wonder if it's because they don't have the American media blackout of Bernie. . . . . .bet there's a connection.

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