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Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:13 PM

Here's Just How Massive Republicans' Super Tuesday Turnout Was

Source: NPR

If voter turnout is any indicator of enthusiasm, this year's GOP voters are way, way more pumped than 2012 voters were. Democrats, meanwhile? Their excitement seems to have dimmed since 2008.

Last night, more than 8.5 million Republicans turned out to vote in the 11 GOP Super Tuesday states that reported results. That suggests far more enthusiasm than the last time Republicans picked a nominee. In those same 11 states in 2012, turnout totaled only around 4.7 million.

That makes this year's turnout in those 11 states 81 percent higher than four years ago.

Contrast that with the Democrats. In the Dems' 11 states reporting results from last night, turnout totaled only around 5.9 million — that's around 2.6 million fewer people than came out in those states 2008, when Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were in the middle of what would would be a long, hard-fought race.

Read more: http://www.npr.org/2016/03/02/468918065/republican-super-tuesday-turnout



Does this scare anyone else? Could sheer enthusiasm swamp sanity in November?

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MrModerate Mar 2016 OP
PatrickforO Mar 2016 #1
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MFM008 Mar 2016 #77
agracie Mar 2016 #80
840high Mar 2016 #26
RKP5637 Mar 2016 #31
MrModerate Mar 2016 #49
OZi Mar 2016 #61
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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:18 PM

1. My honest opinion? It's about the establishment machine's effort to crush the Sanders candidacy.

This is why I am concerned about Hillary's ability to win a general election, because she is very much perceived as the establishment candidate, like it or not.

The enthusiasm in the Dem party lies with Sanders, and we see in the low turnout that Clinton's campaign, backed by the establishment machine, is working in the sense that some Sanders supporters aren't showing up because maybe they figure their candidate can't win, so they say 'fuck it' and stay home.

This certainly helps Clinton during the primaries, but it will cause our party to lose to Trump in the general election. Because, I'm so sorry, it's just damned hard to pump up enthusiasm for Clinton. For me, at least.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:05 PM

17. You are exactly right.

Hillary is like leftovers for dinner. You've seen it before, it's okay, but it's not a memorable meal.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #17)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:23 PM

77. sometime leftovers

taste better than the original.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #17)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:21 PM

80. Cold leftovers.. n/t

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:27 PM

26. Right.

 

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:34 PM

31. The way it's headed, IMO, Trump will win the 2016 presidency. Trump promotes new school like it or

not. And Hillary, in essence, promotes old school. Now, I say this as someone who likes both Hillary and Bernie for various different reasons and want a dem in the WH 2016, and will vote for whomever the dem nominee is, but I'm just looking at the reality of it all, IMO, as to where it's likely headed given the present course. The DNC and DWS have blinders on. Much of the populace is just fed up, fed up with everything and will likely vote accordingly even if in their own worst interests.


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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #31)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:21 PM

49. Neither Clinton nor Sanders, IMO, underestimates the volatility of running against a demagogue…

And Trump is an existential threat to be sure.

But he's not invulnerable — quite the reverse — and if Dems can't beat a guy with no real ideas and no interest in governance, who's a vulgar fraud to boot, then we need to be looking at our own electoral competence.

Am I concerned? Sure. I'm not a fan of juggling hand grenades. But this guy is sooooo beatable.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #49)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:13 PM

61. I don't think Hillary can beat Trump.

1) Trump will bring out support from the vote against Hillary crowd.

2) Trump will bring out the "we're sick of big money controlling politics" crowd. (I think that the left is seriously underestimating this. Propping up Hillary as the front runner is just throwing more fuel on that fire.)

3) Trump will bring out the "we need a businessman and not another politician crowd."

4) Trump will bring out the racists and xenophobes.

"no real ideas and no interest in governance, who's a vulgar fraud to boot"

To you those may seem like negatives. I'm not sure how many Republicans would agree. He is not coming across as a typical politician. He's coming across more like one of the "good 'ol boy bar buddy types". The fraud thing isn't going to hurt him because people are thinking; "Well at least his dirty laundry is out there and no one is trying to bury it like typical lying politicians would be doing."

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Response to OZi (Reply #61)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:25 PM

73. I know dozens of teapublicans

Many, sadly, I call "family".
I can state, unequivocally, that they would vote for (insert you ideal embodiment of evil here) before doing nothing and allowing HRC to win the presidency.
To them voting for tRump is an east decision, no matter how much they dislike him, than allowing HRC to win.

Seriously, they would rather vote for PBO for a third term than vote for HRC (that was a direct quote from an uncle-fyi, he has never voted for a Dem)

As an aside, same said uncle would vote for Sanders to keep tRump from being president (because he thinks tRump is "crazy" but just can't stand Clinton and would rather have "crazy" if that were his only two choices (lives in FL).

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Response to angrychair (Reply #73)

Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:48 PM

86. Those who hate Clinton with a passion . . .

Are probably out of reach for any Democrat. So no great loss. And the coalition described above is so volatile and internally incompatible, I can't see how it could be part of an effective campaign.

Yes, Trump could cut Clinton off at the knees -- if he's got the campaign mojo to do so. I haven't seen any sign yet that Trump does. Anger and media obsession are only going to carry him so far.

And like a bad TV show that caught everyone's attention because it was so outrageous, but turns out to be pretty cruddy when you look at it once or twice, Trump's ratings will plummet.

And then boy howdy will you see Republican panic.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #49)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:01 PM

70. As long as we all stick together, I also think it's doable! n/t

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #49)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:15 PM

78. THE.RIGHT.HATES.HER!

 

With the fire of a supernova. Their hatred is visceral and all consuming. They will turn out in droves to vote against her.

Everybody has been dismissing Trump, and yet, he is still here and getting stronger every day. You overestimate the competence of the DNC leadership and underestimate how unpopular HRC is.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #78)

Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:52 PM

87. I don't see the anti-Clinton passion as sustainable . . .

Nor do I think it's particularly communicable.

While Trump could immolate himself on the campaign trail at any time. In fact, he's probably already burned his candidacy down, but the conflagration is just on a long fuse.

IMO, only poor turnout can lose this election for either Sanders or Clinton.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #87)

Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:50 PM

88. You don't see anti-Clinton passion as sustainable?

 

It has been burning white hot for over two decades. Entire careers have been built on hatred of the Clintons.

As for Trump immolating himself, he has already flat out said he could kill someone and his numbers wouldn't go down. He quotes Mussolini, has followers swear loyalty oaths while giving the fascist salute and promises to commit war crimes.

None of this has hurt him.

I think we should really be worried.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #88)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:08 PM

89. Not to worry, I *am* worried . . .

But I'm not unconfident that Clinton can beat Trump full stop.

However, the stakes are too damn high!

As for the anti-Clinton hate, I was talking among the millions of eligible voters who -- not being political junkies -- have meh-to-positive, imminently-malleble opinions of her.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:41 PM

53. Yep. And if they have to take the whole ship down rather than step out of the way, they will.

 

They are just that way.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:04 PM

71. I hope Sanders wins; if not, we lose in November

 

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Response to Vote2016 (Reply #71)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:49 PM

81. There is much better GOTV in the states Sanders

has won, like today in Kansas. We need that high voter turn out to win. Yes, HRC did well in the primaries in which we have NO CHANCE of winning the GE - Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and Texas to name a few.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:19 PM

2. The dynamics are different on Dem side than they are on the Rep side.

 

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:19 PM

3. That doesn't really scare me

The dem primary is pretty low on drama and so isn't drawing quite the same enthusiasm. The Republican party has some high tension which is bringing out the voters.

If that gap holds into the general it might get a little more scary, but not yet.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:29 PM

28. Primaries are when voter rolls are refined and voters are registered.

It's a big problem.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #28)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:50 PM

39. Another huge unspoken factor here is the demise of ACORN. They were responsible for getting

 

hundreds of thousands of low income people registered and to the polls in every election cycle.

Those are more votes lost, and it was the congressional Democrats who killed ACORN by voting with the Republicans to defund the organization when they held both houses in 2009 just because they couldn't wait out a couple of news cycles for the truth to come out about those edited "sting" videos.

This party is a perpetual circular firing squad.

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Response to Chakab (Reply #39)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:32 PM

52. I'm glad youbrought that up,

and it wasn't just Congressional Democrats. Our President also ran away from ACORN as fast as he could too...
BECAUSE FOX NEWS COMPLAINED!!!!

Trump is liked because Right or Wrong, at least he STANDS UP.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #52)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:22 PM

72. Yeah, I was incredibly disappointed with Obama after the way that he refused to speak up for

 

ACORN, and then I lost all hope about him effectively challenging the RW noise machine after the way that his administration threw Shirley Sherrod under the bus when she was attacked in the exact same manner.

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Response to Chakab (Reply #72)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:38 PM

75. Van Jones too.

Couldn't run away fast enough.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:21 PM

4. I think enthusiasm trumps sanity in just about every election. If it is a rainy horrible election

day, a voter who is just voting for just a candidate may not vote. Someone who is enthusiastic and on fire for someone will stand in line in 2 feet of freezing weather to vote for their candidate.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:25 PM

5. This is the approaching storm no one is talking about.

And it will be the downfall of Hillary should she win the nomination.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:34 PM

6. The low voter turnout for Democrats doesn't scream revolution to me.

 

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:38 PM

8. Nor enthusiasm.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:34 PM

32. Yep, it screams grudging acceptance that the status quo with triumph once more.

No reason to vote when the coronation date is already set.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:08 AM

83. Depends on your version of Revolution

What happens if the Dem party gets so few votes this election cycle that a third party could do better?

What if it was a Socialist 3rd party?

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:36 PM

7. IMO democrats like their both their choices

and will come out to vote against the gop in the GE in droves.

Democrats in my circle of family/friends are appalled (and much entertained) by the gop antics more so than bickering about Bernie vs Hillary.

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Response to katsy (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:23 PM

50. Trump is the most concise and compelling argument for not voting for Trump. n/t

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #50)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:41 PM

55. Do you remember when it seemed impossible for GW Bush to get into the White House?

 

Don't be surprised come November.

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Response to Human101948 (Reply #55)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:50 PM

58. I do, and that's one reason I'm uncomfortable about Trump.

But in my heart of hearts, I'm convinced that his basic vileness will doom him in the general.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:43 PM

9. And this is why HRC would LOSE in the GE!

The Pukes, the Baggers, the Anybody But Hillary types combined with a bizarre pathetic lack of voting by Democrats...

She would lose.

And the Entrenched Elite Establishment crowd are so fucking blinded by their death spiral devotion to her, that they can't see any of this.

Good gawd...incredible.

There is a chart out in NetSpace from CNN I think, that showed how on Super Tuesday, ALL Puke voting was way up while Dems were way down.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:44 PM

10. The GOP has more candidates running so the GOTV effort is greater.

Plus, the Democratic establishment is trying to depress turnout for Bernie Sanders.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:46 PM

11. Doesn't scare me anymore.

 

The damage is done, and I don't know if any of it can be repaired in time.

The manipulation of the Democratic party machinery by its elites during this caucus/primary period allowed Donald Trump, a complete surprise to even the elites both parties serve, to pitch himself very effectively, and quite possibly by complete accident, as a true populist hero ('He's saying out loud the things that everyone thinks but people running for President are too scared to say!' - I've heard that, or its rough equivalent, from more than a few people I have always considered generally decent, maybe leaning a bit on the 'intolerant' side.) Although... I haven't heard it spoken once in my now home state of Minnesota - for whatever reason he's really, really disliked here. Whew.

We had a chance to utterly eradicate any possibility of such a development in the candidacy of Bernie Sanders - who is, in word and deed, a genuine populist. And one who has been fighting for all sorts of social justice on street level for years and years. He has been very effectively suppressed by the party that could have swept 2016 elections in the House and Senate by embracing him.

And the more Republican party elites try to distance themselves from him, the more popular he will become. And, unless Sanders can rapidly overcome this suppression to win big in states that are voting now or very, very soon, which is seeming unlikely, we'll have the Ultimate Establishment Candidate of All Time running against a racist, sexist, flippant, ultra-rich mega-jerk populist hero.

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Response to RiverNoord (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:31 PM

51. I dunno . . .

Isn't Mad-Dog Dumpf vs The Iron Lady good theatre? Can't Clinton win a contest cast like that?

As for missed opportunities, being that specific about a campaign outcome right at this very moment is like trying to predict the weather in Oslo in August of 2023. Don't even bother, just yet.

On the Bernie side, he's such an obvious intellectual, ethical, and platform opposite (notwithstanding Trump's miscellaneous 'moderate' positions) to Trump that the choice is stark and compelling. Can't Bernie win a contest like that?

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #51)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:14 PM

62. Here are some of the reasons that Hillary will lose to Trump.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/why-hillary-could-be-lot-more-vulnerable-trump-bernie

The enthusiasm over Bernie's proposal that state colleges and universities (and, I would add, technical and other trade schools) be tuition-free is due to the fact that young people with huge student loan debt are too often unable to find a job paying more than that of a McDonald's waiter or waitress.

Bernie is speaking to that problem.

So is Trump.

Hillary?????? Not in tones that anyone can hear or trust.

Student loans and personal debt in general are a big issue.

Trade is the reason for all that debt.

I hope you will read the article.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #62)

Sun Mar 6, 2016, 08:57 AM

84. That is a very good article

I'll vote for her if she gets the nomination, but without any enthusiasm, and my gut feeling is I'll be voting for the losing candidate. Her track records on trade and foreign policy are pretty hard to defend in my opinion.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:46 PM

12. I get the freak out about it

But I mostly ignore. Trends tend to show that this happens with parties in power. Those on the outside become more enthused. And, as we saw, there were 16 candidates for a while.

Those in power are a bit more bland at this stage as things sort out, especially in what has really been a two person race from the start.

Applying the dynamics of the primary to the GE isn't how it works though. It's like comparing spring training games to the world series and wondering why there is such a difference in turnout.

Once it shifts to GE mode and the final candidates are there and the partisan side truly gets into play, then you'll see things change

JUST
LIKE
EVERY
OTHER
ELECTION

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:41 PM

54. From your keyboard to the electorate's ear… n/t

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:50 PM

13. Maybe it's because people are identifying as Independents? in some States, you cannot vote as an

Independent in a primary.

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Response to secondwind (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:45 PM

76. Very good point

Yes, a lot of primaries do not allow Independents to vote.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:56 PM

14. Actually, states where Sanders won or was very close

had good voter turnouts. Also, we had huge voter turn outs in Harris County, so much so that additional machines had to be sent to certain precincts. There were people STILL IN LINE. There were long lines in Nevada too. So how many voters gave up and went home?

I think our GOTV efforts should include encouraging people to vote early or by mail.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:44 PM

56. As always, GOTV will be essential…

But this time, the stakes are so high, it's more like existential.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:00 PM

15. TV effect

Trump went in with maybe 95% name recognition from TV, low info voters and bigots are excited and spur turnout in the GOP primary.In fact, a major reason Trump is doing so well is the absolute unworthiness of the GOP field, never saw so many horrible candidates.
I think once he's the nominee the reverse effect takes effect. Conscious people will react with horror to this Hitlerian rise and turn out to defeat him, I hope.

Consider the turnout were a famous liberal running on the Dem side, try George Clooney? Hate to sound sexist but I bet he'd drive women to vote in the primary, more than the policy wonks we currently have running.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:05 PM

16. Bernie and Hillary Could Debate The Size of Their Anatomy To Gin Interest...

...but no thank you.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:08 PM

18. Dem Candidates not as rabid as GOP Candidates

I believe most of the Dems could actually be satisfied with either Sanders or Clinton.The Dems are not voting for the lesser of the three evils like the GOP constituency. C'mon voting has always been a struggle for me because its always about voting for the lesser of the evil.....

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Response to Cmdr. Wolf (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:27 PM

64. A lot of Sanders voters like me are sick and tired of Democratic pollitics as usual.

I have been very active in my local Democratic campaigns for years and years. Even attended a state Democratic convention. Could have done it more often, but I hate huge crowds. I get dizzy in them.

I will vote for all other Democrats on my ballot. Love them all. But I will not vote for Hillary.

Democrats talk a lot about campaign finance reform. But their talk is meaningless because they are now backing the prima donna of campaign finance corruption: Hillary Clinton. She is the star of this Democratic primary simply because she has the money to hand out to other Democrats and to the DNC and because she will buy lots of ads in the November election run-up.

Hillary is poison for this November. If we nominate Hillary and if none of the scandals knock out the candidacy of Trump, Trump will win.

I hate to say that, but Trump will win.

I will not have a Hillary presidency on my conscience. Trump is worse, but let's run Bernie and have a real contest between a moral and decent candidate who is a Democrat and a horrible candidate who is a Republican.

Let's don't have just two awful candidates, one a Republican and one a Democrat going at it in November.

Why Hillary can't win against Trump bar some amazing and disgusting revelations about Trump (the only thing that could take Hillary to the White House if Trump is the Republican candidate and Hillary the Democratic one).

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/why-hillary-could-be-lot-more-vulnerable-trump-bernie

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:09 PM

19. Factionalism: More Can = Less

In this particular instance, those GOP cumulative primary vote tallies represent MUCH less than the total of the individual parts. There is a lot of divisiveness within those numbers and there is no united front, far from it. Perhaps 40% of them are Trump voters, and half of the remaining 60% cannot stomach him. And Trump's supporters are not necessarily fond of Cruz or Rubio either. In addition, the party out of the White House can be expected to show up in greater numbers for primary elections, particularly with the unusually large number of candidates entering the race and the disproportionate media coverage for them. The general election will be a reset, and while a lot can happen between now and then, the "noise" in this year's primary stats will not be a reliable predictor of the November outcome.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:10 PM

20. Yes it could

and I am very concerned. Hillary might be generating women and blacks but that's just not enough to beat Trump. Her and Bernie together haven't generated the high volume of turnout that we've seen on the GOP side.
There seems to be an concerted effort to keep any establishment candidate out of contention.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:11 PM

21. They could swamp us or we could swamp them.

All depends on which side decides to exercise their civic duty. We show up, we win.

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Response to ffr (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:18 PM

22. Case in point, Nevada. We out-did them by 12%

And their numbers were record, ours weren't and we would have swamped them.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:22 PM

23. Way recommended.

That should be of very real concern to literally every registered Democrat. But, sad to say, it isn't.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:25 PM

24. I have a theory about this.

 

People are so fed up with the repug garbage, they are choosing drumpf because they know he will be decimated in the general. Google it. When we get to the general, they will switch back to Dem.

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Response to Jenny_92808 (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:29 PM

66. Sorry, but that is not a realistic view.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/why-hillary-could-be-lot-more-vulnerable-trump-bernie

It will only work if we nominate Bernie and the Bernie voters stay with our Party. If they simply vanish or vote for a third party, Democrats lose.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:26 PM

25. Democrats have won the popular vote 5 of the last 6 presidential elections.

So far, we've had lots of Red State primaries, too, where the Trump fans are most prolific.

I'm pretty sure - regardless of the Republican candidate - Democrats will be motivated in November!

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:27 PM

27. Here's the real reason for their high turnout.

Trumpf is rallying the fascist underbelly of the right wing in this country. He is talking to it, playing them for suckers. Mittens had it exactly right for once.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #27)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:35 PM

33. yep

That was my guess, too.

And let's not forget that TV is wall-to-wall Trump. He's an easy interview. All free to him no cost for TV advertising.


Cher

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #27)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:43 PM

37. I agree with your analysis....

 

I think that it is another part of what is going on.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #27)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:48 PM

57. Do these same people return to the polls in November? That's the question. n/t

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:29 PM

29. 'not as bad as tRump' is not gonna excite voters. but rest assured it is a premise that will be

posted on DU thousands of times...

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Response to KG (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:39 PM

36. When Hillary is your candidate, that's about all you've got to run on.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:34 PM

30. I don't see the GE as the same. Plus, Hillary will hurt tRump with his own video.

She hasn't even started yet.

Forget all of the previous primary results: After months of Frump's own humiliating videos, gop voters will lose interest and stay home.

Dems will come out when they need to.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:37 PM

34. Not worried....yet

 

I'm not worried about turnout yet. This is typical whenever the opposing party has not been in the White House for 8 years. Since Obama has been made the boogeyman for the past 7 1/2 years of course Republicans are eager for change, and Trump's White identity rhetoric speaks to a big part of the Republican party who have long held these feelings and now feel like they have a leader to get behind.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:38 PM

35. Without Sanders in the race, it would be much worse n/t

 

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:46 PM

38. The media presents it as a choice between the clown car and Hillary.

 

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:53 PM

40. People will turnout in droves to vote against Trump.

Nobody sane wants him for president.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:59 PM

41. Well lets see

Republicans have more candidates, and the huge turnouts seem to show me that the majority don't really want Trump, so they have been coming out in huge numbers to vote for the other candidates who they hope will win INSTEAD of Trump. They will continue to come out and try and get another nominee until Trump wins the nomination. When the GE comes around you won't see that huge number turning out to vote for the racist, KKK, white supremest loving blow hard named Trump.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:03 PM

42. In Virginia, at my poll we had people telling us they were voting in the R primary

To vote against Trump

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Response to peacebird (Reply #42)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:51 PM

59. i talked with a number of voters in VA who said that while i was canvassing... unaware that the best

vote against trump is a vote for sanders, since hes the one that polls consistently show mops the floor with that mop of hair.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:07 PM

43. "Left" and right wing media obsession with Trump coming home to roost

 

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:11 PM

44. According to real clear politics, Hillary's got it.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:20 PM

45. yeah Hillary is scaring them away

thats a problem. If they hate Donald but not Bernie but their hate for Hillary is much worse we'll see a Reagan win all courtesy of DWS who dragged the Democratic party to the tenth level of hell.. I do see Donald as a 4 year person because the country will be broke in 2 yrs in what it took Bush to do in 5-6 yrs. and 8 yrs for a once in a million Obama to Fix.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:28 PM

46. In the 10 states where both parties had elections, Hillary got 3,514,567 votes

while Trump got less than 2,888,124 (Wikipedia just gives the total that includes Alaska, where there wasn't a Dem election).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

Yes, more people voted in the Republican elections, but they have more candidates who could win delegates, so more people turn out for it. There are many Republicans voting for someone other than Trump. And there's a fair reason to think many of them won't vote for him in the general.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:48 PM

47. hmmm

 

Too bad too, just when we were about to have a progressive supreme court, possible democratic controlled senate, and whitehouse, then Trump wins.... yup, this country does seemingly deserve it, along with every democrat that sits out the election because they are against the nominee for something..both Hillary and Bernie supporters have said write in, or sit out.... well, I guess I will get juried, but FU to anyone who sits out. You are the ones who will get Trump in.... you live with it, I have gotten where I am disgusted with all politics, and am beginning to lean on denouncing the democrats and moving to register independent. The slamming and backstabbing on this site is appalling. Good Luck to US and to DU, because if and when we lose this election, the blame will be bernie/hillary....360 degrees......

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Response to rtracey (Reply #47)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:42 PM

68. No. It's the Hillary supporters who will chase the Bernie supporters away who will

get Trump in.

Americans are supporting Trump and Bernie because we are sick of the pay-to-play corruption that our campaign finance system thrusts upon us. Hillary is the living, breathing product and star of that corrupt system.

If we Democrats want to win, we have no choice but to nominate Bernie. He is the antithesis of the pay-to-play system that Americans are rejecting -- revolting against by supporting Trump.

Of course, money in politics is not the topic. It's not how we talk about that pay-to-play-corruption.

We talk about it in terms of our trade policy.

That is because our trade policy is the dastardly product of the pay-to-play corruption, and it is the policy that is hurting Americans where it counts -- in their paychecks.

NAFTA, CAFTA -- all the trade policies that the multinational corporations have owned us and bought us out with.

They, those trade agreements, have to go or be drastically rewritten.

The TPP is unacceptable. It will bankrupt the US.

No one should trust Hillary on the TPP. Her discussion of it is full of weasel words that will allow her to push it once and if she is president.

Trump recognizes that trade is a big issue, the issue that can draw him votes from white people who are uncomfortable about his racist language but can deal with it if it means that they can get a better job that will pay more.

The Democratic Party loves Hillary's money. It is dark money. It is dank money. It is corrupt, unhealthy money. It's Hillary's money that is buying her the loyalty and support of so many leaders in the Democratic Party. They know that Bernie is right about a lot of the policy, but Hillary has the money.

If Trump wins in November, it will be because Democrats pick Hillary and her putrid corporate money over Bernie and his people's money.

Trump check-mates Hillary and on that one issue alone.

Every other issue flows from, returns to and is overwhelmed by that issue: corrupt campaign finance.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/why-hillary-could-be-lot-more-vulnerable-trump-bernie

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #68)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:47 PM

69. well

 

and I hear the opposite from Hillary supporters too... although I don't hear as much of we will sit home, I do hear it.....I wish my guy would just run....Biden/Warren 2016..

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Response to rtracey (Reply #69)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:32 PM

74. Biden bears great responsibility for the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2005 which made it

impossible to discharge student loans (and broadened the definition of them) in bankruptcy.

He will not get my vote. That is a terrible bill.

Donald Trump can take several companies into bankruptcy and harm his creditors yet continue in business in other corporations.

But some kid who got snookered into signing up for a student loan to attend some fraudulent college can't discharge the debt in Bankruptcy Court.

That's Biden's legacy.

He can't win.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:57 PM

48. Complacency, Division

are our enemies as much as the GOP

We are already toast with numbers like these

The GOP is having a public food fight and we're bashing one another over the heads
and tearing our candidates to pieces

That Congress, that GOP Congress is our real enemy

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:01 PM

60. I have been pointing out that if Bernie were not running, the turn-out for Hillary alone

would be much, much, much lower. It would be a joke.

That means that voting for Hillary is not a big enough thrill to get voters to turn out.

Now let's look at Bernie and his voters.

A lot of them are young. They are loyal to Bernie, not so much to the Democratic Party.

If our Party nominates Hillary, a good portion of the Bernie voters (including me) will not vote for her. I will get out and vote for the other Democrats on my ballot, but most of the young, especially the first-time Bernie voters, will not. They simply won't bother to vote.

Hillary is not going to attract the Bernie voters.

Something to think about.

As a Bernie supporter, I think this is a strong reason to nominate Bernie and vote for him in the primaries and caucuses. He brings out HIS voters. Hillary voters will switch to Bernie if he is the candidate.

But if Hillary is the candidate, a lot of the Bernie voters will simply stay home. And we will have a Republican in the White House..

In addition to the reasons stated in this article, it simply makes sense to vote for and nominate Bernie if we want a Democrat in the White House come November.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/why-hillary-could-be-lot-more-vulnerable-trump-bernie

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:26 PM

63. The voters are finally fed up with politics as usual.

For the republicans that means a candidate that will harm them more. The "party of stupid" wants more stupid.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:29 PM

65. Scared as hell

….that HRC is too weak a candidate to win this for the Democrats.

What the hell was the DNC thinking?

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:38 PM

67. It's because they have a hot contest

we don't. Bernie is in there but was always a long shot. It's not the same at all and not the same as the general.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:54 PM

82. why?

 

Because the DNC isn't interested in encouraging anyone who isn't going to support their choice of nominee to vote.

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Sun Mar 6, 2016, 09:19 AM

85. Few Dem contests that are neck and neck -

On Super Tuesday contests were won by Sanders or Clinton by 20 or more points. Polls predicted it- so people didn't vote. In states where polls were close, turnout was usually just fine - i.e. Massachusetts

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Response to MrModerate (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 09:10 PM

90. In other words: 3.8 million racist sh*theads are feeling empowered...

Wonderful.

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