On caucus eve, Clinton’s allies warn Nevada Latinos to beware of Bernie Sanders

[mhatrw]

Source: Washington Post

Fearing a loss to Sanders in Nevada, Clinton and her surrogates have blasted out a warning to Latinos, urging them not to trust Sanders on immigration. But the recent arrival of this message may have come too late. “The differences on the immigration issue and the record on Latinos is one which the campaign has been attempting to get out,” said former interior secretary Ken Salazar, who joined Huerta campaigning for Clinton on Friday. But he acknowledged: "I don’t know if it’s penetrating."

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Huerta said that only recently did it become clear that the campaign would need to deploy a more aggressive stance against Sanders. “The contest is getting fiercer,” Huerta said. “I don’t think we thought it was going to get mean."

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"Most of the people that I have talked to are supporting Hillary," Salazar said as he folded himself into a booth. "There's lot of them who have to work during the caucus so the question is, are they really going to be able to caucus because they're going to be at work."

"It’s a tough sport just like Iowa was very tough, but Hillary pulled it out. And I think we’re going to win here. But there’s a conversation that takes place in caucus states, and I think it’s very hard. I would expect that if we were having a primary here in Nevada that Hillary would probably be up 70 to 30."

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/19/on-caucus-eve-clintons-allies-warn-nevada-latinos-to-beware-of-bernie-sanders/

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Poor Abuela Hillary. She just waited too long to go negative on El Viejito!

[tomm2thumbs]

1. The Firewall was apparently made of matchbooks stacked one on top of the other

The speed at which her numbers dropped should be a sign of things to come

(I love the picture at the link.... slightly adjusted of course)

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

2. Sure, Hillary "pulled it out" in Iowa

with a little help from six coin flips that went her way.

[peacebird]

3. If by "pulled it out" he means won by .02%, when the state party chair had license plates HRC2016

Then yes, she essentially tied Sanders, but he blew the doors off her clown car in NH by 22%!

Nevada was supposed to be her 'Western firewall'.... Clearly Camp Clinton is terrified that Bernie is going to have a strong showing here. Her firewall is crumbling.

[Sienna86]

6. Perfect.

[Thor_MN]

41. You still hanging onto that tired, disproven meme?

There were more than a dozen tiebreakers, and Clinton did not win all of them.

Try google, do a little research, and you might not pull a whiney loser meme out of the trash heap.

[Vinca]

4. People don't believe Hillary. It's a huge problem if she's the nominee.

[Skeezer the Kat]

17. Not near the REAL problem everyone at DU seems to be blithfully ignoring...

Not near the problem Trump, Cruz, or Kasich is going to be for EVERYONE in this country and not just here at DU if Bernie stumbles and the only remaining viable Dem candidate you've all spent the last four months blithfully trashing becomes your last hope of stopping them.

There's another nine months before the election. Your boy Bernie is one major gaffe, one maliciously untrue but otherwise effective smear campaign, a sudden health issue or even--God forbid--one deranged assassin's bullet from not being around in November. What's the plan then?

I'm not saying a spirited campaign to promote your favorite candidate is a bad thing. I'm saying both Bernie and Hillary supporters need to remember the grand prize this election is keeping the person and party most likely to harm the country the most out of the Oval Office.

If fate prevails and its YOUR favorite who accomplishes that, consider it a bonus.

[Babel_17]

23. Tell it to Colbert

It's an issue if we can't win over the Independents in swing states. And the polling shows one of our people doing disastrously with all of them.

[Skeezer the Kat]

24. I'm not talking to Colbert. I'm speaking to you right now.

Let me say this as clearly as I know how:

Bernie Sanders is not the Democrat candidate of choice...yet. Maybe never. Arrogance and overconfidence have beaten many a good person in their endeavors.

Again...should any one of the scenarios I gave in an earlier post in this thread come to pass... the Democratic party and DUers specifically will find themselves in the unenviable position of then trying to field a flawed candidate sullied even more so by their own foolish and short-sighted efforts.

That or you can just happily accept Mr. Trump or Mr. Cruz as your new President.

Sorry. I want no part of that blame.

[Babel_17]

25. Then please address the point I made

"It's an issue if we can't win over the Independents in swing states. And the polling shows one of our people doing disastrously with all of them."

It's Secretary Clinton that is causing this issue, not Senator Sanders. If you want two viable candidates, then urge Clinton to win back the trust of Independents. Sanders can't do that for her, neither can we.

It's up to the Clinton campaign to earn back the trust of the voters. The OP here goes to how the MO of her campaign is backfiring.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2324

35. Would you say that - Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy or not?

30% of the Democrats polled said "No". 74% of the Independents said "No". And 94% of the Republicans said "No".

As a former supporter of HRC, I don't see how that can lead to us getting the POTUS that we need.

[Skeezer the Kat]

27. I'm not trying to sell you on HRC

I'm trying to show you the error of putting all your hopes, dreams and plans...one of which should be to keep an obvious buffoon from the Oval Office...in one basket. There's way too much at stake for this country right now for that sort of reckless behavior.

Do I think Hillary is flawed? Yes, but much less than a Ted Cruz. Do I think Hillary is the best candidate the Democratic party can offer? No, but she remains as 50% of our offering to Americans trying to prevent a repeat of the Bush era. The other 50%, as likeable as he seems, may not have the appeal to enough of the electorate outside of the Northeast and scattered pockets of the country, to carry the day.

Take the blinders off, buddy. Bernie's a fine man and I confess I like a lot that he says; but that doesn't guarantee him the party's nomination, does it?

I understand your dislike for HRC and the reasons for it. You're entitled to an opinion and to be heard. But the best question for us both to ask, rather than those you propose to me in rebuttal, is why did the DNC not choose someone better to begin with given what's at risk.

[Babel_17]

30. What have I written to you that suggests blinders? (quote me, please)

I've written a few sentences your way but you've ascribed volumes to me. So what's up with that?

Edit: And you still haven't addressed the point I made in the earlier post. Was that on purpose?

[Skeezer the Kat]

33. My apology. No disrespect intended.

I'm trying...and apparently failing...to make the point to you and everyone else here that the ultimate goal this year is not simply getting YOUR FAVORITE candidate nominated.

Its doing whatever it takes to keep a closet fascist or a stone-cold buffoon from becoming our next CiC.

If I offended anyone by stressing this importance, please accept my apology.

[Babel_17]

36. Well, consider that everyone has heard that before, many times over

This is a primary. We want the best candidate. Just being mellow about how cool we are compared to Republicans doesn't get what's important to us discussed.

Your point was obvious to me, and likely everyone else. Assuming we've never heard it before, or needed it spelled out slowly, isn't the best way to win hearts and minds, imo.

So, will you now address my earlier point?

"It's an issue if we can't win over the Independents in swing states. And the polling shows one of our people doing disastrously with all of them."

Do you see how that's a reason we're backing Sanders?

[Skeezer the Kat]

37. There's no reason for me to address that question.

I've not challenged your right to support Bernie for any reasons nor the validity of your reasons.

My comments have been confined to questioning the wisdom in completely TRASHING any Democrat candidate with only the short-sighted goal of getting one's own favorite candidate nominated over another.

Get it now? I couldn't possibly care less who you choose to support or how you came to that choice.

This site has morphed into a GOPer wet dream, IMHO.

[Babel_17]

40. It was just a question, lol

Wow

P.S. Welcome to DU.

P.P.S. If quoting a poll "trashes" a candidate, that candidate has a problem, and that needs to be openly considered.

[Skeezer the Kat]

42. I know.

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But it wasn't relevant to the discussion.

We're cool. I'm just worried that WE're....that's ALL of us here with any dog in the fight...only shooting ourselves in the foot with this bickering and behavior.

I hope I'm wrong and I hope you're right. Time will tell.

[Bradical79]

31. Can't stop Clinton from running a terrible campaign

Most of the damage to her candidacy has been inflicted by herself, or some idiot "surrogate". I'm not sure what you're asking for. Sanders supporters aren't going to just step aside and let people lie about history, civil rights, healthcare, education, taxes, or corporate influence. The dishonest "smears" have been pretty one sided.

[MisterP]

32. Clinton will fail on her own without our criticism, then

[Vinca]

38. I don't know if Bernie can win the general, but I really don't think Hillary can.

The biggest problem this election season is the Democrats cleared the field for her and none of the people who might have been viable challenged her. After it all got underway, the FBI announced they were investigating the email situation. It's ongoing. People rightfully think the FBI only investigates if they think a crime has been committed. If they don't close the investigation and give her a clean bill of health, do you think that's going to play well in the general election? You need to remember that we are political junkies here and we know what's going on. Out in the real world, they only skim info off the top or base their decisions on falsehoods they hear from questionable media sources. I've always thought Bernie was a long shot, but I don't get the certainty from Hillary supporters that she's a sure thing. She isn't. Far from it.

[Skeezer the Kat]

39. I agree.

I'm simply saying that if Bernie doesn't get the nomination, what's the plan? And that we might all ask "Have I said or done anything that might prevent any other Democrat from carrying the day instead?"

[lunamagica]

5. Caucuses are undemocratic. They favor the young, healthy and wealthy

Every state should have a primary

[Paulie]

13. And those with time

I agree with you. Early voting, with absentee, and all day. It's shameful we don't have greater than 60% turnout.

[Geronimoe]

7. Boo -be very afraid of the Sanders Man

Hillary's campaign is run like class president in Junior High. It is really pathetic and disgusting.

[Bucky]

8. If you don't eat your vegetables the Bernie is gonna getcha

She's stuck in scold mode too often. It's a turn off.

[SoapBox]

12. "Scold Mode"

Wow...that's true!

Between all her me's, I's and scolding...TOTAL turn off.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[Duval]

15. Amen to that!

[truebluegreen]

9. That my former Senator Ken Salazar

is a Hillary surrogate tells me all I need to know.

[Myrina]

10. ... I'm sure those folks really believe she's more concerned about them, than her own career ....

[SoapBox]

11. BOO! BOO! BOO!

Camp Weathervane and "Corrupt the Record" are PATHETIC!

Lies, lies, lies...and then simply trying to scare people with another 3AM Phone Call scheme.

Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic.

[jpak]

14. Beware the Bernie - it Berns

[Odin2005]

16. This divisive scaremongering is disgusting.

Shame on you, Hillary!

[Skeezer the Kat]

18. "Shame only on Hillary"?

Clearly you're not reading some of the Bernie supporters remarks here.

[Odin2005]

19. Bernie isn't trying to fan racial and gender divisions.

[Skeezer the Kat]

20. Pay attention.

I didn't say he did. My point is we--that is, Bernie and Hillary supporters alike--need to focus on electing anyone who can keep the likes of a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz from the Presidency. Not trying to score the best "Gotcha" on our own party's rivaling candidate.

If I have to vote for a flawed Democrat to accomplish that goal, so be it. And I'll have no regret for voting for anyone who accomplishes it.

Just think about it.

[Odin2005]

21. Bernie is more electable that Hillary.

Nominating Hillary will guarantee a President Trump.

[Skeezer the Kat]

22. Really?

Not if Bernie is never the candidate. Am I writing in a foreign language here? Can you give anyone here TODAY a written100% guarantee that Bernie will even be the Dem candidate this year?

Don't foolishly hobble the chances of your other team mates just because you like another one who performed well in this week's practice.

[arcane1]

28. You're asking for a "written100% guarantee"?

What a stupid question.

[Skeezer the Kat]

29. Of course it is. Not unlike your implying you can offer one.

[tularetom]

34. If EVERY Bernie supporter voted for Hillary in November she would still lose

Your argument is a straw man.

Republican and independent voters would all come out heavily against her and the Democratic votes would not be sufficient to overcome the opposition. Thats how much she is despised by most of the country.

Don't blame Sanders supporters, republicans, centrists, moderates, independents or anybody else for her problems. She is a lousy candidate and she cannot be elected.

[Skeezer the Kat]

35. File that as "Opinion. Not yet a Substantiated Fact"

One moment the Bernie supporters overconfidence is such that they feel they have the overwhelming numbers to defeat all comers. Now you're saying they could all vote for Hillary and still lose the election.

So which is it? Fact or whistling past the graveyard?

[merrily]

26. My abuela is just under seis years younger than El Viejito. Almost the mismo age.