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Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:16 PM

 

Carly Fiorina Accused Of Crashing Kids’ Field Trip And Ushering Them To Anti-Abortion Rally

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Source: ThinkProgress



Carly Fiorina’s latest campaign stop in Iowa has upset some Des Moines-area parents, who say the GOP presidential candidate “ambushed” a group of kids on a preschool field trip — and led them to an anti-abortion rally.

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At least one of the preschoolers’ parents isn’t happy their child encountered that type of information during their field trip.

“The kids went there to see the plants,” Chris Beck, the father of a 4-year-old child who was at the botanical garden that day, told the Guardian. “She ambushed my son’s field trip.” Beck added that he thought Fiorina’s decision to direct the young children to the anti-abortion event was in “very poor taste and judgment,” and said his 4-year-old child cannot fully comprehend concepts related to ending a pregnancy.

In response to questions from the Guardian about Fiorina’s interactions with the preschoolers at Wednesday’s event, a spokesperson for her campaign replied, “We were happy that these children chose to come to Carly’s event with their adult supervisor.”

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Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/01/21/3741543/carly-abortion-children/

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Reply Carly Fiorina Accused Of Crashing Kids’ Field Trip And Ushering Them To Anti-Abortion Rally (Original post)
Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 OP
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Judi Lynn Jan 2016 #3
Politicub Jan 2016 #4
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thesquanderer Jan 2016 #5
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CanonRay Jan 2016 #20
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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:23 PM

1. Kidnapping children...

...is the only way she can get a crowd at her events.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:24 PM

2. Props, damn it! I need props!

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:25 PM

3. Without the parents' permission, too. Shame on this lunatic.

Being used as props by a self-centered, obsessive idiot would be such a left-down after looking forward to a trip to the botanical garden for days.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:27 PM

4. When real life is stranger than the Onion

The GOP field is full of nuts.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:31 PM

22. "They not nuts--they CWAZY!!"

Serious derangement in that bunch. Fiorina can loony with the best of the bunch. I think only "Teddy Kruger" Cruz can actually top her.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:28 PM

5. To me, the news was that she's still running. (n/t)

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:31 PM

6. The children "chose" to come to failorina's event? Suuure...

yes, now 4 y.o.'s can decide their own field trip destinations

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Response to wordpix (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:36 PM

9. I expect to see the adult who was in charge of them fired.

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:44 PM

14. Yes, this!

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:04 PM

17. Probably one of the people in this picture....

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 07:49 PM

47. She is striking such a stereotypical villainous pose there it is almost comical.

Do you think she was cackling?

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:32 PM

7. The children chose? This woman is insane aand..

the only good thing is that the kids were too young to understand.

(But, later on the parents might have had some questions they didn't want to answer...)

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:50 PM

29. " the kids were too young to understand. " < No, they weren't. We just aren't smart enough to know

 

exactly what they learned from it.

The kids can't consent, they didn't get the parents permission.

I would file a police report and get a restraining order.

She has already proven that she can't be trusted around the kids, what with kidnapping them and all.

Sounds like a creepy old stalker, and one never knows where it will show up next.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:36 PM

8. Disgusting! These children didn't "choose" to come to the event

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:37 PM

10. My Wife and I Are Very Protective

of our 3-year-old and we don't want her photos put out in public without our control. We don't post photos of her on social media, for instance, because one of my wife's friends used to and an old boyfriend of hers started stalking her and her child.

If this asshole grabbed my kid and stuck her in this picture without me knowing about it ahead of time, I'd go absolutely insane. The chaperons would have some very difficult questions to answer. The campaign would as well. I'd go on a public rampage and not rest until accountability was exacted. I don't think there's any legal action that could be taken, but I'd certainly look into that.

What a horrible, disgusting and utterly shameless human being this woman is.

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Response to SDJay (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:39 PM

26. I have the same instantaneous response..

Those parents have a legitimate gripe.

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Response to annabanana (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:49 PM

28. If it's a legitimate gripe they have the ability to shut her whole campaign down.

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #28)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:51 PM

30. How? nt

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Response to SDJay (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:07 PM

36. Play on words, but yes. They can sue her until she's broke.

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #36)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 08:54 PM

56. The little kids were not in her care. In loco parentis, the beef is with the school escortguardians

She is just the creepy predator that took advantage of the lack of guardianship, or did the teachers aid and approve of her gathering them up as props??

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:41 PM

11. This makes me fucking sick

It really does. First she lies about Planned Parenthood and is responsible for the violence that was done to them. Now she does this shit.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:42 PM

12. sad sick shit

 

about as low as you can go

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Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:46 PM

15. She found the only demographic that will listen to her bullshit.

A captive audience of 4 year olds.

What a loser.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:47 PM

16. Why do all of these children....

seem to have that "Oh Shit" look on their faces before a group that maintains it's "committed to life"? Could it be that they just realized that they're fucked now that they're out of the womb? Yes, Carly, we do need to "take back our country" from imbeciles like you.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:07 PM

18. Guess she couldn't find 101 Dalmatians to shanghai...

... let's hope this stunt ends her candidacy once and for all. The parents of those kids should be furious and looking to gut that bitch from groin to gizzard. Legally speaking, of course. Heh, heh, heh, heh!

What an ASSHOLE!

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Response to gregcrawford (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:20 PM

42. Carly DeVille? Or Cruella Fiorina?

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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #42)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 08:45 PM

55. Carly De Ville - it's is much easier to say!

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:14 PM

19. I honestly believe she's a psychopath. nt

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Response to Javaman (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:33 PM

24. A new Cruella!

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:21 PM

20. The children "chose to come"

Really. Four year old kid. Really.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:51 PM

32. I wasn't aware that the age of consent in Iowa was four.

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #32)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:24 PM

44. Despite what some reich wingers think...

...no it's not.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:28 PM

21. I would be pissed if any child of mine was forced to be used as a prop like that

And from what I read there were several parents not aware their kids had to sit through that!

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:32 PM

23. She is so reprehensible.

OMFG.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:38 PM

25. That's pretty damn creepy..She's crossed over into the

disgust zone

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:44 PM

27. Kid on the left looks like Ted Cruz, II

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Response to krepitch (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:03 PM

34. OMFG you win the thread

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Response to krepitch (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:21 PM

38. So yeah...

...I hit alert on this one because I see no difference in Carly using these kids for her agenda and you using one of them for your own.

I've got a young son myself and to see you write that makes me sick. I'm guessing you must not be a Sanders supporter...

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Response to krepitch (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:53 PM

41. The tall one in the center,

I've seen her before....but she wore a pointy hat, carried a broom, had green skin and employed an army of flying monkeys.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:51 PM

31. One of my nightmares

I lead tours for school groups in a large public garden. We try to have one volunteer docent and one parent for every six kids, but sometimes it doesn't work out and I find myself with up to a dozen and no other adult. It is stressed over and over that we are responsible for getting the kids back to their teacher at the agreed upon time; we all wear nametags that identify us as being associated with the garden; we introduce ourselves to the teacher and parents when the class arrives. We do at least one tour a day, often more, and we're pretty organized about processing the groups. I still worry about kids getting out of my sight, and try to keep them away from adults who are visiting the garden. They're my responsibility until I get them back to their teachers.

It sounds like this may have been an ad-hoc "let's take the kids to the garden" event organized by the pre-school (we generally do programs for K-5), so I can see how some parents may have been led astray by a person acting authoritatively and telling them where to go. I didn't think it was possible for my opinion of Carly to get any lower, but it did.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:03 PM

35. That's all we're asking for, Fiorina: The right to CHOOSE . . .

You seem to think pre-schoolers are capable of making such decisions, why not let adults make their own decisions as well.

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:12 PM

37. Bravo!!!

 

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:22 PM

43. + a gazillion

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:24 PM

39. Here is a parent writing about this

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:40 PM

40. Ouch! In a non-partisan publication.

 

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:48 PM

45. She makes excellent points in that piece.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 07:38 PM

46. Time for the parents to start interviewing attorneys, IMO. nt

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 07:56 PM

48. Is there a legal action parents can take over this?

These parents did not allow their children to be used as political props surrounding a famous person who has press following them; they did not choose to put their children in the public eye; they did not allow their children to be photographed and have those photos widely distributed and potentially even used in commercials.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Reply #48)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 09:51 PM

62. The law always errs on the side of children's safety....

 

Children do not have the legal ability under the law to decide to do something like this. Parental consent is required.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 08:02 PM

49. Look at all the cameras.

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Response to wheniwasincongress (Reply #49)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 09:48 PM

61. She put Carly stickers on them too! That wasn't so obvious in the still pictures.

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #61)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 09:59 PM

64. Techically, that's assault. Touching a minor in ANY way without the parent's permission is illegal.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 08:21 PM

50. This should land her in jail.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 08:23 PM

51. If somebody was, you know, in the

marketplace for a good reason not to vote for Carly Fiorina...

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 08:25 PM

52. Sick fuck . How inappropriate. How desperate to influence young children . Really sick

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Response to Person 2713 (Reply #52)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 09:46 PM

60. The word they're so fond of is "indoctrination".

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 08:25 PM

53. She really is unhinged.


I can't even put into words how disturbing just the concept of taking small children on field trip to see a botanical garden to use as props in some sickening anti-abortion micro-rally.

Fiorina is a monster. The fact she's even permitted on the national stage in any capacity is shocking.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #53)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 09:45 PM

59. At this point it feels like she's trying to get a lobbying gig in DC.

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 08:39 PM

54. What about the trip teachers and parent escorts ? This wasn't a 2 minute deal and the group

adults could have removed them pronto Esp. when cameras started taking photo ops
F rom the link:

"During the hour-long event, Fiorina reiterated her opposition to Planned Parenthood, which has become a central feature of her campaign. The candidate has accused the national women’s health organization of illegally harvesting babies’ brains. ..."

...I always ask my kids about any opinions teachers or escorts give them about current events.
That's how I found out one had a Teabagger teacher and another had a assisting parent that was putting down certain local groups

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Response to Person 2713 (Reply #54)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 08:56 PM

57. None of the stories I could find list the day care the kids were in

That place should undergo some serious scrutiny! Plus whoever led the trip - teachers who escorted the trip - should be questioned as to why they let the children be used in such an unscrupulous way.

If I were a parent I would be screaming about this - the school and the trip leaders should be very worried about their legal futures.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #57)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 09:05 PM

58. They let multiple photographers at the event take pictures of the tots with a giant fetus and CF

Trip leaders should be worried yes

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 09:57 PM

63. Technically, the parents could raise hell with the school

The parents signed off for a field trip to see the botanical gardens, not this. It's the school's responsiblity to have stepped in. Oh and the children "chose" to go to the event? HUH? The children CHOOSE Jello, not her!

The school may be in deep doo-doo.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 11:59 PM

65. Pure speculation here.

Ms.Fiorina has no biological children. After reading about this stunt, and considering her obsession with this topic, I found myself wondering if Ms. Fiorina might possibly have had an abortion or two in her past that she regrets, and that this is what drives her.

Also, I know step-parents vary in this particular matter. My husband was married once before, and has a son and a daughter, whom I first met when they were 5 and 8. They are now 45 and 42, and each one has a son. Hubby and I have 2 sons together, who are 25 and 23. I have never called my husband kids "our" kids, nor did they call me "mom". Their mom is alive, and they lived with her, and visited us We have a good relationship, and so do the 4 half-sibs, despite the differences in their ages. My husband's grandsons don't call me any form of "grandma," nor do I want them to. I find it a tad disingenuous for Ms. Fiorina to talk about the death of "our daughter." Maybe, if she weren't such a cold-heated witch, I would find her more believable.

As I said, I know step-parents vary in this, and my comments are not intended to be critical of step-parents who like being called mom or dad. It wan't right for me.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 12:21 AM

66. Not a one of those children is smiling.

 

They look miserable.

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Sat Jan 23, 2016, 03:24 AM

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