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Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:04 PM Jan 2016

BREAKING: President Obama declares State of Emergency in response to Flint water emergency

Source: WJRT TV 12 Flint

President Barack Obama has declared a State of Emergency in Michigan to help with Flint's ongoing water troubles. That's according to information released by the White House, this afternoon.

The declaration is in response to Governor Rick Snyder's Thursday request for federal help in handling Flint's water emergency.

According to the release, the action opens up the Department of Homeland Security and Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to coordinate relief efforts in Genesee County to protect public health and safety under Title V of the Stafford Act. FEMA can also provide equipment and resources to help with the emergency. . .

Read more: http://www.abc12.com/home/headlines/BREAKING--365539241.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_ABC12:_Your_Trusted_Source!__WJRT-TV

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BREAKING: President Obama declares State of Emergency in response to Flint water emergency (Original Post) Faygo Kid Jan 2016 OP
Breaking: US marshals take Gov. Rick Snyder into custody jpak Jan 2016 #1
Needs to happen. TDale313 Jan 2016 #2
I'm guessing that will be one of many MIC DROPS so underthematrix Jan 2016 #3
and others who had meeting that cut funding that hurt the children lewebley3 Jan 2016 #5
That happens only in China. In the US, crooks skate. PSPS Jan 2016 #9
Damn you for getting my hopes up! n/t Kennah Jan 2016 #10
Me too. :( LiberalElite Jan 2016 #16
DAMN YOU! Odin2005 Jan 2016 #34
Yay!!! And lock up that criminal Snyder, too!!! nt valerief Jan 2016 #4
Appears the President made a few phone calls Wellstone ruled Jan 2016 #6
GOP Response? houston16revival Jan 2016 #14
Oh it is going to be a hellva lot lauder than that. Wellstone ruled Jan 2016 #15
Bad compasion, the amount of radiation released by TMI was barely detectible... Odin2005 Jan 2016 #36
To set the record straight houston16revival Jan 2016 #38
Lead ingested has a almost instant effect on the little tikes. Wellstone ruled Jan 2016 #42
I heard Rush yesterday blame this on kacekwl Jan 2016 #33
jpak stole my line. Left Coast2020 Jan 2016 #7
before we haul him off--can he spend some time in the stocks--I have a collection of niyad Jan 2016 #22
Make him drink the water the rest of his life. JudyM Jan 2016 #47
Finally! dem in texas Jan 2016 #8
Thanks for passing on that information. It should be known far beyond Texas. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2016 #12
1,000 words Kennah Jan 2016 #11
+1000 (nt) paleotn Jan 2016 #39
FEMA's Coming - "Heckuva job, Brownie!" houston16revival Jan 2016 #13
Prosecute Them For Knowingly Poisoning Children scottie55 Jan 2016 #17
Knowingly poisoning everybody alcibiades_mystery Jan 2016 #25
The Lead Just Hurts Children More scottie55 Jan 2016 #43
Add it all up to the bill... Helen Borg Jan 2016 #18
I'm still not sure exactly where the lead came from RussBLib Jan 2016 #19
they switched from Lake water to River water to save money. The river water KittyWampus Jan 2016 #23
The river water is a little bit acidic JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #24
The lead came from Flint residents' old lead plumping pipes. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #30
As I understand it... gregcrawford Jan 2016 #37
Yes, the river water needed more corrosion protection additives than Detroit's lake water supply Festivito Jan 2016 #45
Sounds like you are knowledgeable. I have a deeper question about this. MH1 Jan 2016 #46
the problems with lead Crepuscular Jan 2016 #49
Yes, there are lead pipes. Yes, it is known. A pamphlet is sent each year. Festivito Jan 2016 #52
Time for Obama to get the Justice Department involved. The republicans are a RICO crime syndicate. NBachers Jan 2016 #20
RICO crime syndicate. I love it!! n/t zazen Jan 2016 #28
will they be arresting the assholes in the utitlity company who are threatening people niyad Jan 2016 #21
Hundreds of people in downtown Flint, right now, protesting with Michael Moore Siwsan Jan 2016 #26
thank you Mr. President--one wonders if he's just so DONE zazen Jan 2016 #27
Ooooooh..... That sounds a bit Turbineguy Jan 2016 #29
Snyder should have to resign immediately and kacekwl Jan 2016 #31
I love our President libodem Jan 2016 #32
Obama needs to throw the nerd in prison. romanic Jan 2016 #35
Excellent!.... paleotn Jan 2016 #40
A request for a "Major Disaster Declaration" was turned down... SunSeeker Jan 2016 #41
No longer acceptable that OUR Government lets criminals walk free. Nope. No way. glinda Jan 2016 #44
K&R myrna minx Jan 2016 #48
Justice Dept needs to investigate him lark Jan 2016 #50
If this doesn't underscore the fact that Republicans can't govern, I don't know what does. WestSeattle2 Jan 2016 #51
Good, I hope that Snyder is forced to resign. Beacool Jan 2016 #53

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
3. I'm guessing that will be one of many MIC DROPS so
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jan 2016

after the FBI, HHS, AG build a case, I could see several people getting handcuff bracelets

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. Appears the President made a few phone calls
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:26 PM
Jan 2016

and now the folks of Flint will maybe have a chance. Just can not imagine the on going health issues to come for decades as the result of failed polices of Privatization.

Will be interesting in the next few days to see and hear the Republican responses since it was their failure to protect the people from harm or threat.

houston16revival

(953 posts)
14. GOP Response?
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jan 2016

They were focused on profits for private corporations.

I remember Three Mile Island in Pennsyvania

'There is no immediate threat to public health.'

Corporate PR Department, standard pablum.

"Move along."

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
15. Oh it is going to be a hellva lot lauder than that.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jan 2016

This is a failure of one of the Republican Parties top think tanks that formulate policies for them. Koch Bros. funded Heritage Institute doing their thing.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
36. Bad compasion, the amount of radiation released by TMI was barely detectible...
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 07:32 PM
Jan 2016

...relative to the natural background radiation that comes from Carbon-14, Potassium-40, Radon, etc., it WAS no threat to public health. TMI just had the poor timing of happening at the same time the movie "The China Syndrome" was in theaters and thus causing the last several decades of anti-nuclear insanity.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
42. Lead ingested has a almost instant effect on the little tikes.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jan 2016

Under stand it settles in the kidneys and liver like yesterday. Do know what it does to mental issues and other issues with the brain. Our family was a participant in lead paint studies at the U of Minn in the 70's. We lived in and owned a home that was built around the turn of the century. Needless to say,most of the paint was lead based. Our family was lucky,no side effects,but others did show things like elevated lead levels in their blood samples and cognitive reasoning issues. Encapsulating this crap takes tons of labor and one has to be carefully done.

As far as radiation exposure,nasty stuff and depends on what type and how much of a period of time. No honest reason by some Politician to throw that reasoning out there other than confuse the public. Aren't the Rethugs a honest bunch of people?

Left Coast2020

(2,397 posts)
7. jpak stole my line.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:30 PM
Jan 2016

Snyder definitely needs to be carted off in handcuffs. Time we start calling DOJ/FBI to arrest this piece of filth.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
22. before we haul him off--can he spend some time in the stocks--I have a collection of
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jan 2016

rotted veggies I would be happy to donate for the cause.

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
8. Finally!
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jan 2016

it is so sad that this went on so long without any action from Government agencies trying to help. But that is what happens to poor people. The same thing happened here in Dallas with lead smelters in the 1970's. They spewed their poison in the air in poor Black and Hispanic neighborhoods for years before anyone did anything. In one neighborhood in West Dallas, the soil was so contaminated with lead that it had to be dug up and removed and new soil put down.

This is what happens when you are poor.

houston16revival

(953 posts)
13. FEMA's Coming - "Heckuva job, Brownie!"
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jan 2016

This ought to really flush out the Michigan Bundy-Sympathizers.

"Water? It's wet!"

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
17. Prosecute Them For Knowingly Poisoning Children
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jan 2016

And lying about the water being safe when they knew it wasn't.

If this isn't a crime, there is no such thing as crime.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
25. Knowingly poisoning everybody
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jan 2016

It's useful, of course, to note that children were victims here. But the entire population was subjected to this insane policy. They had reckless disregard for the whole population in the affected area. It's jaw-dropping.

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
43. The Lead Just Hurts Children More
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:23 PM
Jan 2016

Than adults.

Besides, adults should know Republicans are lying scum who would poison children to save a buck.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
23. they switched from Lake water to River water to save money. The river water
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jan 2016

was contaminated with heavy metals and wasn't treated even though treating it would have cost next to nothing.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
24. The river water is a little bit acidic
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:47 PM
Jan 2016

and many of the municipal pipes are lead. The river water caused lead from the pipes to contaminate the water.

The source of the water is no longer the Flint River, but I'm not sure if the pipes will return to an "inert" state, or they'll keep adding lead to the water.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
30. The lead came from Flint residents' old lead plumping pipes.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jan 2016

The Flint River water is much more polluted and corrosive, causing more lead to leach out of the lead pipes of old homes. That is why the impact has been greater in poorer neighborhoods. Old homes in poor neighborhoods are more likely to still have the old galvanized lead pipes, and less likely to have bottled water.

And yes, the river water could have been treated to avoid all that, but Snyder wanted to save money and did not care about Flint residents.

The lead leaching is not the only problem with the untreated river water. Experts also suspect it is the cause of a recent Legionnaires Disease outbreak in Flint that has killed about a dozen people. They believe that pathogen was carried in the river water because it was not properly treated.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
37. As I understand it...
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 07:46 PM
Jan 2016

... caustic contaminants in the river water, combined with insufficiently researched additives intended to counteract said contaminants, stripped away a protective coating from the inside of ancient pipes to expose the lead, which subsequently leached into the water supply. If more knowledgeable parties wish to correct me, please do.

Regardless, Snyder & co. knew this, but concealed it from the populace. This motherfucker has to go DOWN!

I seem to recall reading that Flint is a predominantly liberal city. It might not be beyond the realm of possibility that this whole thing was done on purpose to to disperse democratic voters as a particularly malicious method of gerrymandering. I wouldn't put ANY evil past Republicans, the fuckin' maggots.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
45. Yes, the river water needed more corrosion protection additives than Detroit's lake water supply
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:34 AM
Jan 2016

Corrosion released not only lead. It released other metals from the old pipes. These metals then combined with Chlorine meant for bacterial control and this would explain why there would be outbreaks of Legionnaires known to kill 10 and shortening the lives of 80 some in Flint.

Test levels of lead came near the allowable compliance level and I guess it was easier to think it as anomaly and to put off the drastic reporting that would be required.

When industry realized their pipes were being corroded and left the Flint system, nobody seemed to be adding two plus two. That there was a real problem.

The real agenda was to deny Detroit water distribution income so they could wrestle control of water away. Denying Detroit money was just gravy.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
46. Sounds like you are knowledgeable. I have a deeper question about this.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:10 AM
Jan 2016

Was it known and accepted that there were still so many lead pipes in use? Is this common practice throughout the US? Obviously it would be expensive to replace all lead pipes but it seems anyone who has lead pipes and doesn't know it, should be informed, because they would be at risk in a similar situation. Also it seems like there should be some plan to replace the lead pipes eventually.

I've been told my house has non-lead pipes but was built at a time when lead solder was still used. So I use a faucet filter and never drink out of the hot water, and run the water for awhile to flush it before I get in the shower. But not everyone can afford to use a filter.

Crepuscular

(1,057 posts)
49. the problems with lead
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:58 AM
Jan 2016

the problems with lead in drinking water come from 4 primary sources.

1) Some municipal water systems still have portions of pipe that are made of lead, although most of those have been replaced over the years as upgrades occur.

2) Some homes still have lead service lines. Those are the connections from the City pipes to the home and are usually the responsibility of the property owner to pay to replace. Many municipal water providers will replace those lead service lines at cost and long term, low interest loans are often available to allow homeowners to make those upgrades.

3) Copper plumbing that was installed prior to 1984 was often connected with lead based solder or lead based flux, which can leach into the water supply.

4) Some faucets, even some that are still being sold today, have lead in them, which can leach out and create lead contamination.

Lead service lines and copper plumbing with lead joints are still commonly found in houses all over the country. The insides of pipes get coated with a mineral scale that tends to encapsulate the lead in the pipes, which reduces the amount of lead leaching that occurs. Municipal water supplies are treated with phosphates in order to minimize the corrosive aspect of city water, which preserves the "lining" of the pipes and minimizes lead leaching.

The water that Flint purchased from the Detroit water authority was "optimized" or treated with phosphates, so the lead levels in the homes of the people in Flint that still had lead service lines/ copper-lead plumbing was minimized.

When Flint switched to using water From the Flint River, optimization should have occurred, they should have added phosphates to continue to preserve the lining in the pipes which was preventing lead from leaching.

Here is where it gets kind of complicated. The EPA regulations are somewhat ambiguous in terms of when the treatment or optimization should occur. For cities the size of Flint, it appears that the regulations have an 18 month time frame for the municipal water department to do an optimization study and then a 6 month period to implement corrosive control measures.

The Michigan DEQ and the Flint water treatment plant were just finishing the second 6 month test period of lead testing when the EPA first became involved in the Flint water issue and raised concerns about elevated lead levels in the test results and the lack of corrosive water control to limit lead leaching. The EPA was initially contacted by a Flint homeowner over concerns about the discoloration, bad taste and bad odor of the water, which had been occurring for the first year after the switch-over. Those concerns were unrelated to the lead issue, that did not come up until February of 2015.

One aspect that probably had some bearing on the DEQ's lackadaisical approach to implementing corrosion controls is that they knew that the Flint River was just a temporary source and that the switch to the KWA pipeline as a permanent water source was going to occur in 2016, just about when the 24 month time frame for optimization program for the Flint River water was going to be finished. That process will have to be started over when the KWA water starts flowing, as unlike the Detroit water that was being purchased, the KWA water will be untreated, so it will have to treated by the Flint Water department before being used.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
52. Yes, there are lead pipes. Yes, it is known. A pamphlet is sent each year.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:51 PM
Jan 2016

A multi-fold paper is mailed each year covering water quality. Inside, it will cover the city's butt by stating the lead is present and give associated results of testing showing it under standards required by government.

If the water is properly managed, the pipes do not release too much. (It appears that in Flint that the water was not properly managed.)

Replacement of pipes is priced around 1.5b$, or about $15,000 per resident for 100,000 residents. (The mayor is trying to get Feds to pay for this, which is brilliant on her part.) Too expensive otherwise. Consider that as a nation we decided not to give that much to New Orleans at an end cost of thousands of American lives. With proper management, this should not have killed anyone.

Right now, exposed children are being investigated for alternate sources of lead poisoning. There is no sense in fixing the water problem only to have them continue to be exposed from other sources such as contaminated play dirt, lead paint chips, lead dust on floors emanating from walls, and much more. There is not a single older home that would have no lead paint where that lead can leech as dust through layers of new paint, fall to the floor and meet the hands of infants crawling on all fours. Parents are advised to mop floors and wipe walls in such homes. (I could go on and on.)

Back to your pipes.

Try not to stress. There is no absolutely safe method for transporting water to houses. And those pretty chrome covered spigots can have lead in them. Properly soldered copper pipes might have not a chance at of leeching their lead when the solder is all on the outside of the pipe joints and neatly in between the sleeved pipes so as to never touch the water. (Edit to add: Plus pipes get a crust of Calcium derivatives coating the inside of the pipe and by that that pesky lead.)

If this still bugs you, try spending a couple hundred bucks on testing. Call a local lab. They'll give you some liter containers. I would suggest a first draw to check your spigot, another after one minute to check your pipes, and another after five minutes to check the city water entering your house -- you could even flush a few times. Depending a bit on size of your house. Done after eight hours of sitting while you were at work and before a bathroom flush. It's tough not to flush in morning or during the sleepy hours.

Filters are fine and will capture some. Problem I have with them is that lead is an atom. It can fit through those holes as easily as H2O. Corroded lead as in Flint could be traveling in clusters that could be caught. Okay. To think that we used to drink right from a river's edge! I still do when I am far from the incivility of civilization.

Good luck. And, I agree with Crepuscular's post.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
21. will they be arresting the assholes in the utitlity company who are threatening people
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jan 2016

for failure to pay their water bills?

Siwsan

(26,259 posts)
26. Hundreds of people in downtown Flint, right now, protesting with Michael Moore
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jan 2016

Calling for criminal charges to be filed against Snyder.

zazen

(2,978 posts)
27. thank you Mr. President--one wonders if he's just so DONE
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 07:00 PM
Jan 2016

He just seems so weary of bullshit like this, don't you think?

He really lost an opportunity in March 2009 with Wall Street reform, an opinion many progressive politicians and economists share, which was such a disappointment, and putting Arne in charge of Education was very sad too, but in fairness to him I think he really didn't think major change like that which we're fighting for now was possible. He believed that he had to reason with people and be pragmatic, pragmatic, pragmatic and middle of the road. He's so logical himself that it seems to have been inconceivable to him how otherwise reasonable people can be so extreme and unreasonable.

But there's something about, I don't know, kids being killed because of people's outrageously selfish ideologies like those of the NRA or Gov Snyder that seems to push him back into righteous, emotional indignation.

I wish he'd unleash a lot of whoopass on these killers of children before he leaves office. He's best when he's grounded in righteous rage, because he arrives it at so slowly you know he's totally justified by the time he gets there.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
40. Excellent!....
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jan 2016

....since Rick Snyder can't seem to get his act together or his thumb out of his arse.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
41. A request for a "Major Disaster Declaration" was turned down...
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jan 2016
A request for a "Major Disaster Declaration" was turned down because Flint's water emergency is not considered a natural disaster. The state is appealing that decision.

http://www.abc12.com/home/headlines/BREAKING--365539241.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_ABC12:_Your_Trusted_Source!__WJRT-TV&device=phone&c=y

No, Snyder, there was nothing "natural" about this disaster. You poisoned those kids, not Mother Nature.

Seems to me Obama was smart not to contradict any potential allegations the FBI/DOJ may bring against Snyder.

lark

(23,091 posts)
50. Justice Dept needs to investigate him
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jan 2016

He needs to go, this is so far beyond acceptable. Come on, Obama, do the right and difficult thing here and demand justice for all the injured children in Flint.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
53. Good, I hope that Snyder is forced to resign.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jan 2016

What was done in Flint is a disgrace and a warning to other states not to do something similar.

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