BREAKING: President Obama declares State of Emergency in response to Flint water emergency
Source: WJRT TV 12 Flint
President Barack Obama has declared a State of Emergency in Michigan to help with Flint's ongoing water troubles. That's according to information released by the White House, this afternoon.
The declaration is in response to Governor Rick Snyder's Thursday request for federal help in handling Flint's water emergency.
According to the release, the action opens up the Department of Homeland Security and Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to coordinate relief efforts in Genesee County to protect public health and safety under Title V of the Stafford Act. FEMA can also provide equipment and resources to help with the emergency. . .
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jpak
(41,757 posts)I wish...
TDale313
(7,820 posts)We'll see if it actually does.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)after the FBI, HHS, AG build a case, I could see several people getting handcuff bracelets
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)PSPS
(13,591 posts)Kennah
(14,256 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)You had my hopes up for a second!
valerief
(53,235 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)and now the folks of Flint will maybe have a chance. Just can not imagine the on going health issues to come for decades as the result of failed polices of Privatization.
Will be interesting in the next few days to see and hear the Republican responses since it was their failure to protect the people from harm or threat.
houston16revival
(953 posts)They were focused on profits for private corporations.
I remember Three Mile Island in Pennsyvania
'There is no immediate threat to public health.'
Corporate PR Department, standard pablum.
"Move along."
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)This is a failure of one of the Republican Parties top think tanks that formulate policies for them. Koch Bros. funded Heritage Institute doing their thing.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)...relative to the natural background radiation that comes from Carbon-14, Potassium-40, Radon, etc., it WAS no threat to public health. TMI just had the poor timing of happening at the same time the movie "The China Syndrome" was in theaters and thus causing the last several decades of anti-nuclear insanity.
houston16revival
(953 posts)Radioactive steam was released and created great fear in southeastern
Pennsylvania. I lived there at the time. Evacuations were made, pregnant
women especially.
http://www.ratical.org/radiation/KillingOurOwn/KOO13.html
http://www.ki4u.com/three_mile_island.htm
http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/new-revelations-about-three-mile-island-disaster-raise-doubts-over-nuclear-plant-safety/Content?oid=1215165
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Under stand it settles in the kidneys and liver like yesterday. Do know what it does to mental issues and other issues with the brain. Our family was a participant in lead paint studies at the U of Minn in the 70's. We lived in and owned a home that was built around the turn of the century. Needless to say,most of the paint was lead based. Our family was lucky,no side effects,but others did show things like elevated lead levels in their blood samples and cognitive reasoning issues. Encapsulating this crap takes tons of labor and one has to be carefully done.
As far as radiation exposure,nasty stuff and depends on what type and how much of a period of time. No honest reason by some Politician to throw that reasoning out there other than confuse the public. Aren't the Rethugs a honest bunch of people?
kacekwl
(7,016 posts)liberal run government in Flint and Michigan.
Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)Snyder definitely needs to be carted off in handcuffs. Time we start calling DOJ/FBI to arrest this piece of filth.
niyad
(113,259 posts)rotted veggies I would be happy to donate for the cause.
JudyM
(29,233 posts)dem in texas
(2,674 posts)it is so sad that this went on so long without any action from Government agencies trying to help. But that is what happens to poor people. The same thing happened here in Dallas with lead smelters in the 1970's. They spewed their poison in the air in poor Black and Hispanic neighborhoods for years before anyone did anything. In one neighborhood in West Dallas, the soil was so contaminated with lead that it had to be dug up and removed and new soil put down.
This is what happens when you are poor.
Judi Lynn
(160,516 posts)Kennah
(14,256 posts)paleotn
(17,911 posts)houston16revival
(953 posts)This ought to really flush out the Michigan Bundy-Sympathizers.
"Water? It's wet!"
scottie55
(1,400 posts)And lying about the water being safe when they knew it wasn't.
If this isn't a crime, there is no such thing as crime.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)It's useful, of course, to note that children were victims here. But the entire population was subjected to this insane policy. They had reckless disregard for the whole population in the affected area. It's jaw-dropping.
scottie55
(1,400 posts)Than adults.
Besides, adults should know Republicans are lying scum who would poison children to save a buck.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Those MFs who caused this should be required to pay.
RussBLib
(9,006 posts)but I haven't dug and dug
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)was contaminated with heavy metals and wasn't treated even though treating it would have cost next to nothing.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,338 posts)and many of the municipal pipes are lead. The river water caused lead from the pipes to contaminate the water.
The source of the water is no longer the Flint River, but I'm not sure if the pipes will return to an "inert" state, or they'll keep adding lead to the water.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)The Flint River water is much more polluted and corrosive, causing more lead to leach out of the lead pipes of old homes. That is why the impact has been greater in poorer neighborhoods. Old homes in poor neighborhoods are more likely to still have the old galvanized lead pipes, and less likely to have bottled water.
And yes, the river water could have been treated to avoid all that, but Snyder wanted to save money and did not care about Flint residents.
The lead leaching is not the only problem with the untreated river water. Experts also suspect it is the cause of a recent Legionnaires Disease outbreak in Flint that has killed about a dozen people. They believe that pathogen was carried in the river water because it was not properly treated.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... caustic contaminants in the river water, combined with insufficiently researched additives intended to counteract said contaminants, stripped away a protective coating from the inside of ancient pipes to expose the lead, which subsequently leached into the water supply. If more knowledgeable parties wish to correct me, please do.
Regardless, Snyder & co. knew this, but concealed it from the populace. This motherfucker has to go DOWN!
I seem to recall reading that Flint is a predominantly liberal city. It might not be beyond the realm of possibility that this whole thing was done on purpose to to disperse democratic voters as a particularly malicious method of gerrymandering. I wouldn't put ANY evil past Republicans, the fuckin' maggots.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)Corrosion released not only lead. It released other metals from the old pipes. These metals then combined with Chlorine meant for bacterial control and this would explain why there would be outbreaks of Legionnaires known to kill 10 and shortening the lives of 80 some in Flint.
Test levels of lead came near the allowable compliance level and I guess it was easier to think it as anomaly and to put off the drastic reporting that would be required.
When industry realized their pipes were being corroded and left the Flint system, nobody seemed to be adding two plus two. That there was a real problem.
The real agenda was to deny Detroit water distribution income so they could wrestle control of water away. Denying Detroit money was just gravy.
MH1
(17,600 posts)Was it known and accepted that there were still so many lead pipes in use? Is this common practice throughout the US? Obviously it would be expensive to replace all lead pipes but it seems anyone who has lead pipes and doesn't know it, should be informed, because they would be at risk in a similar situation. Also it seems like there should be some plan to replace the lead pipes eventually.
I've been told my house has non-lead pipes but was built at a time when lead solder was still used. So I use a faucet filter and never drink out of the hot water, and run the water for awhile to flush it before I get in the shower. But not everyone can afford to use a filter.
Crepuscular
(1,057 posts)the problems with lead in drinking water come from 4 primary sources.
1) Some municipal water systems still have portions of pipe that are made of lead, although most of those have been replaced over the years as upgrades occur.
2) Some homes still have lead service lines. Those are the connections from the City pipes to the home and are usually the responsibility of the property owner to pay to replace. Many municipal water providers will replace those lead service lines at cost and long term, low interest loans are often available to allow homeowners to make those upgrades.
3) Copper plumbing that was installed prior to 1984 was often connected with lead based solder or lead based flux, which can leach into the water supply.
4) Some faucets, even some that are still being sold today, have lead in them, which can leach out and create lead contamination.
Lead service lines and copper plumbing with lead joints are still commonly found in houses all over the country. The insides of pipes get coated with a mineral scale that tends to encapsulate the lead in the pipes, which reduces the amount of lead leaching that occurs. Municipal water supplies are treated with phosphates in order to minimize the corrosive aspect of city water, which preserves the "lining" of the pipes and minimizes lead leaching.
The water that Flint purchased from the Detroit water authority was "optimized" or treated with phosphates, so the lead levels in the homes of the people in Flint that still had lead service lines/ copper-lead plumbing was minimized.
When Flint switched to using water From the Flint River, optimization should have occurred, they should have added phosphates to continue to preserve the lining in the pipes which was preventing lead from leaching.
Here is where it gets kind of complicated. The EPA regulations are somewhat ambiguous in terms of when the treatment or optimization should occur. For cities the size of Flint, it appears that the regulations have an 18 month time frame for the municipal water department to do an optimization study and then a 6 month period to implement corrosive control measures.
The Michigan DEQ and the Flint water treatment plant were just finishing the second 6 month test period of lead testing when the EPA first became involved in the Flint water issue and raised concerns about elevated lead levels in the test results and the lack of corrosive water control to limit lead leaching. The EPA was initially contacted by a Flint homeowner over concerns about the discoloration, bad taste and bad odor of the water, which had been occurring for the first year after the switch-over. Those concerns were unrelated to the lead issue, that did not come up until February of 2015.
One aspect that probably had some bearing on the DEQ's lackadaisical approach to implementing corrosion controls is that they knew that the Flint River was just a temporary source and that the switch to the KWA pipeline as a permanent water source was going to occur in 2016, just about when the 24 month time frame for optimization program for the Flint River water was going to be finished. That process will have to be started over when the KWA water starts flowing, as unlike the Detroit water that was being purchased, the KWA water will be untreated, so it will have to treated by the Flint Water department before being used.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)A multi-fold paper is mailed each year covering water quality. Inside, it will cover the city's butt by stating the lead is present and give associated results of testing showing it under standards required by government.
If the water is properly managed, the pipes do not release too much. (It appears that in Flint that the water was not properly managed.)
Replacement of pipes is priced around 1.5b$, or about $15,000 per resident for 100,000 residents. (The mayor is trying to get Feds to pay for this, which is brilliant on her part.) Too expensive otherwise. Consider that as a nation we decided not to give that much to New Orleans at an end cost of thousands of American lives. With proper management, this should not have killed anyone.
Right now, exposed children are being investigated for alternate sources of lead poisoning. There is no sense in fixing the water problem only to have them continue to be exposed from other sources such as contaminated play dirt, lead paint chips, lead dust on floors emanating from walls, and much more. There is not a single older home that would have no lead paint where that lead can leech as dust through layers of new paint, fall to the floor and meet the hands of infants crawling on all fours. Parents are advised to mop floors and wipe walls in such homes. (I could go on and on.)
Back to your pipes.
Try not to stress. There is no absolutely safe method for transporting water to houses. And those pretty chrome covered spigots can have lead in them. Properly soldered copper pipes might have not a chance at of leeching their lead when the solder is all on the outside of the pipe joints and neatly in between the sleeved pipes so as to never touch the water. (Edit to add: Plus pipes get a crust of Calcium derivatives coating the inside of the pipe and by that that pesky lead.)
If this still bugs you, try spending a couple hundred bucks on testing. Call a local lab. They'll give you some liter containers. I would suggest a first draw to check your spigot, another after one minute to check your pipes, and another after five minutes to check the city water entering your house -- you could even flush a few times. Depending a bit on size of your house. Done after eight hours of sitting while you were at work and before a bathroom flush. It's tough not to flush in morning or during the sleepy hours.
Filters are fine and will capture some. Problem I have with them is that lead is an atom. It can fit through those holes as easily as H2O. Corroded lead as in Flint could be traveling in clusters that could be caught. Okay. To think that we used to drink right from a river's edge! I still do when I am far from the incivility of civilization.
Good luck. And, I agree with Crepuscular's post.
NBachers
(17,103 posts)zazen
(2,978 posts)niyad
(113,259 posts)for failure to pay their water bills?
Siwsan
(26,259 posts)Calling for criminal charges to be filed against Snyder.
zazen
(2,978 posts)He just seems so weary of bullshit like this, don't you think?
He really lost an opportunity in March 2009 with Wall Street reform, an opinion many progressive politicians and economists share, which was such a disappointment, and putting Arne in charge of Education was very sad too, but in fairness to him I think he really didn't think major change like that which we're fighting for now was possible. He believed that he had to reason with people and be pragmatic, pragmatic, pragmatic and middle of the road. He's so logical himself that it seems to have been inconceivable to him how otherwise reasonable people can be so extreme and unreasonable.
But there's something about, I don't know, kids being killed because of people's outrageously selfish ideologies like those of the NRA or Gov Snyder that seems to push him back into righteous, emotional indignation.
I wish he'd unleash a lot of whoopass on these killers of children before he leaves office. He's best when he's grounded in righteous rage, because he arrives it at so slowly you know he's totally justified by the time he gets there.
Turbineguy
(37,319 posts)Big Government-ish!
kacekwl
(7,016 posts)DOJ should seize all records concerning this matter.
libodem
(19,288 posts)Good for him.
romanic
(2,841 posts)paleotn
(17,911 posts)....since Rick Snyder can't seem to get his act together or his thumb out of his arse.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)http://www.abc12.com/home/headlines/BREAKING--365539241.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_ABC12:_Your_Trusted_Source!__WJRT-TV&device=phone&c=y
No, Snyder, there was nothing "natural" about this disaster. You poisoned those kids, not Mother Nature.
Seems to me Obama was smart not to contradict any potential allegations the FBI/DOJ may bring against Snyder.
glinda
(14,807 posts)myrna minx
(22,772 posts)lark
(23,091 posts)He needs to go, this is so far beyond acceptable. Come on, Obama, do the right and difficult thing here and demand justice for all the injured children in Flint.
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)What was done in Flint is a disgrace and a warning to other states not to do something similar.