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Sat Dec 26, 2015, 09:15 PM

UN chief: Bush deserves credit for climate change 'success'

Source: The Hill

President George W. Bush deserves credit for kickstarting talks that led to a landmark international agreement on climate change, according to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon.

Ban pointed to a 2007 U.N. climate conference in Bali, when the United States pulled an about-face and agreed to enter negotiations on a new global treaty to curb greenhouse gas emissions.

The secretary-general told the Associated Press he still feels "very much grateful" to Bush.

"That was the beginning of our success," Ban said in an interview published Saturday.

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Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/264248-un-chief-bush-deserves-credit-for-climate-change-success

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Reply UN chief: Bush deserves credit for climate change 'success' (Original post)
bananas Dec 2015 OP
DavidDvorkin Dec 2015 #1
lastlib Dec 2015 #2
PatrynXX Dec 2015 #4
lastlib Dec 2015 #5
Grassy Knoll Dec 2015 #3
tavernier Dec 2015 #15
chapdrum Dec 2015 #6
karynnj Dec 2015 #12
killbotfactory Dec 2015 #7
JI7 Dec 2015 #8
olddad56 Dec 2015 #9
hatrack Dec 2015 #10
karynnj Dec 2015 #13
hatrack Dec 2015 #14
karynnj Dec 2015 #11
truthisfreedom Dec 2015 #16

Response to bananas (Original post)

Sat Dec 26, 2015, 09:33 PM

1. That is (or should be) embarrassing for the current crop of GOP candidates.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Sat Dec 26, 2015, 09:57 PM

2. Paging George W. Bush: Please come to The Hague to accept your "award"!.........

eom

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Response to lastlib (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:22 AM

4. Dick Cheney first!! n/t

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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 27, 2015, 06:00 AM

5. OK.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Sat Dec 26, 2015, 09:59 PM

3. Brilliant...

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 27, 2015, 11:07 PM

15. Ok...

I lost it...

😂😂😂😂😂

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Sun Dec 27, 2015, 01:36 PM

6. The Sec-General may require psychiatric evaluation

 

This smacks of disinformation, the motive of which I've no idea.

W and his family are an ongoing plague on the planet.

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Response to chapdrum (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 27, 2015, 09:21 PM

12. It actually is true -- read any summary of what happened in Bali

It was predicted to be a failure, but they did get an agreement that actually did move things in the direction that Paris completed.

Oddly, one person who represented the Senate there who the Bush administration called helpful in Senate and House hearings was Kerry.

Link to Kerry's speech on Bali - https://www.americanprogressaction.org/wp-content/uploads/events/2007/kerry.pdf

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Sun Dec 27, 2015, 07:29 PM

7. After 7 years of stalling. Nt

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Sun Dec 27, 2015, 07:34 PM

8. NO

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Sun Dec 27, 2015, 07:43 PM

9. He should be acknowledged for his contribution to the demise of the entire planet.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Sun Dec 27, 2015, 08:55 PM

10. Why?

Just thought I'd put that out there . . .

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Response to hatrack (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 27, 2015, 09:23 PM

13. Because there were agreements made at Bali that helped set the stage

for Paris. Read Kerry's speech on Bali - given shortly after he returned. They did make progress and there are some things that started then that were then developed much further in Paris.

https://www.americanprogressaction.org/wp-content/uploads/events/2007/kerry.pdf

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Response to karynnj (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 27, 2015, 10:33 PM

14. So, 9 years later, we've decided to increase atmospheric CO2 for another 35 years

And someday, if any of the countries bound by this non-binding agreement ever get around to it, or decide that it's, y'know, important to cut emissions, someday, then . . . thanks, W.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Sun Dec 27, 2015, 09:16 PM

11. For those of us following this in the JK group, this is no surprise

Last edited Mon Dec 28, 2015, 10:46 AM - Edit history (1)

Kerry was the only person from the US Congress who went to the conference because to do so meant spending as much time flying there as in meetings due to Congress still being in session.

In both House and Senate hearings, the Bush team thanked Kerry for his work before the conference and during it. ( Here is something from the House - http://republicans.globalwarming.sensenbrenner.house.gov/press/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=2570 )

The need to include both developed and developing countries and to treat them differently was something that came out of that conference. The hope was with a Democratic President (or McCain) the US might be more helpful in the upcoming Copenhagen conference. In fact, Copenhagen was not a big success.


Back on DU2, I wrote this about his work at Bali -

Global warming: Kerry was the Congressional delegation to Bali. Though the media gave little attention to this - Kerry was praised in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee by the Bush administration for the work he did there. The President’s chairman of the Council on Environmental Quality, James Connaughton, spoke before the SFRC hearing chaired by Senator Menendez. Mr. Connaughton was part of the President’s delegation who attended the second week of the Bali Conference. Because of the Senate schedule, Senator Kerry flew 40 hours round trip to spend 36 hours as the sole US Congressional representative to the conference. At a SFRC hearing earlier this year, Mr. Connaughton, who represented President Bush said:
“I would particularly also want to call out thanks to Senator Kerry for coming to Bali. I would note that the remarks he gave in Bali were very constructive in helping to educate the international community on the needs, what it would take for America to move forward together in a bi-partisan way. I thought those remarks were very well received. Senator Kerry, thank you for that.”
Listening to the hearing, the Senator is praised for his leadership on this issue by both Republicans and Democrats.
http://www.senate.gov/~foreign/hearings/2008/hrg080124p.html

Here was even stronger praise from an earth day SFRC hearing: Ambassador Stuart Eizenstat (around 4 minutes in) said:

"The fact that we had a treaty was significantly due to the fact that Senator Kerry was there. He was a virtual part of our negotiating team, without his day and night support and lobbying of the EU. we would not have gotten a treaty.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/karynnj/19

(The Senate link no longer works - likely because the SFRC has redone the site many times!)

Here is Kerry's speech on the Bali conference given after he returned -- and you can see that there are roots of what grew to be the current agreement in the Bali meetings. https://www.americanprogressaction.org/wp-content/uploads/events/2007/kerry.pdf
As you can see from the speech, Kerry wanted the Bush administration to do more, but he then speaks of what was gained.
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But still, despite this Administration’s reluctant participation, the “Bali roadmap” does
mark real progress toward a post-Kyoto vision. It lays out a process for future
negotiations, recognizes the importance of the four building blocks to fighting climate
change—mitigation, adaptation, financing, and technology—and most importantly shows
us a path to reach a final agreement in Copenhagen in 2009. It’s up to us to make that
path productive.
This is the first time we have a truly global road map with a role for developed and
developing countries alike. The most important question that will determine the future of
climate change is how we give life to the words “shared but differentiated
responsibility.” The dynamics of Kyoto have changed. In Kyoto people stiff-armed that
discussion. Now it can no longer be shunted aside. In fact, one of the most important
talks I had was with the Chinese delegation, whom I also met with in Kyoto and in
Brazil. Each time, they refused to engage. This time was different and, I believe, a cause
for optimism.

https://www.americanprogressaction.org/wp-content/uploads/events/2007/kerry.pdf


It is not unlikely that the US/China pact that Kerry was instrumental in starting was - likely helped by the relationships Kerry had developed with the Chinese negotiators at Bali and other places.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:30 AM

16. He did something besides vacationing more than

Any other president in history, dropping the ball on bin laden, giving up on capturing bin laden, dropping the ball on Katrina, starting the wrong war with the wrong country, and...

so he actually did something right? Stick a gold star on his forehead and give him the task of explaining why it's there.

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