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Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:25 AM

Bump For Trump As Carson Fades In Republican Race, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds;

Source: Quinnipiac Polling Institute

Eleven months before the 2016 presidential election, Donald Trump is the undisputed leader in the Republican field, as Dr. Ben Carson, in a virtual tie with Trump four weeks ago, drops to third place, according to a Quinnipiac University National poll released today.

On the Democratic side, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton widens her lead over Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont to 60 - 30 percent, compared to 53 - 35 percent in a November 4 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University Poll. Former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley has 2 percent, with 6 percent undecided.

Trump gets 27 percent of Republican voters today, with 17 percent for Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, 16 percent each for Carson and Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas and 5 percent for former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush. No other candidate tops 3 percent, with 8 percent undecided.

Last month, Trump had 24 percent, with 23 percent for Carson.

Read more: http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2307

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Reply Bump For Trump As Carson Fades In Republican Race, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; (Original post)
brooklynite Dec 2015 OP
RKP5637 Dec 2015 #1
Hortensis Dec 2015 #4
RKP5637 Dec 2015 #6
Hortensis Dec 2015 #15
trusty elf Dec 2015 #2
BlueStater Dec 2015 #3
wolfie001 Dec 2015 #7
houston16revival Dec 2015 #5
Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2015 #12
Cosmocat Dec 2015 #14
Blasphemer Dec 2015 #8
Cosmocat Dec 2015 #13
Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #9
Mass Dec 2015 #10
Gregorian Dec 2015 #11

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:36 AM

1. Bush should really just drop out at this stage. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:32 AM

4. Why, RKP? Unless watching the GOP tear out its hair and

chew its tail over the prospect of no nominee at the convention -- or Trump!, isn't entertaining to you, of course.

Bush, Rubio, Cruz, Trump -- all are prospectively enormously oligarch-funded and could be the GOP nominee in this weird season. None apparently are going away, and, if the specter of corporate fascism weren't so scary, I'd really be enjoying this.

“Fascism is when corporations become the government.”
― Bill Maher

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:07 AM

6. Yep, it would loose some of its entertainment value! I think this is the most entertaining

election season I've lived through. It's a great show as long as the ending comes out OK!

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:28 PM

15. So the same here, RKP. Laughing supposedly makes people

braver and more confident, not just happier and less stressed, and at least the GOP is kind enough to give us a lot of laughs.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:09 AM

2. Oh no! Don't fade away Ben!

I was having fun with you!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:20 AM

3. A reality show douchebag, a Ken Doll, a crazy Cubanadian, and a dickweed doctor.

This is, in the frequent words of the media, the "strongest field of Republican presidential candidates in a generation".

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:11 AM

7. Chuck Toad was complaining that the media.....

....wasn't being fair to this lineup of turds a few months back, because of Trump of course. Big whoop. He referred to these clowns as the "strongest potential candidates in 36 years!" What a complete douchebag!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:41 AM

5. There are reasons

why Trump is leader of the pack

He's the Wall Street side of the GOP

He's rich

He's from New York

No matter how much they push "family values", the GOP does
little about them except bludgeon Democrats on Choice, which is
to say the Casino culture is fine with them

And the #1 reason Trump's in front

He's the sanest of the bunch by a country mile!

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Response to houston16revival (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:49 AM

12. No way is he the "sanest of the bunch". In fact, he's one of the most unstable major candidate...

....we've seen in quite a while.

Him and arguably Carson are running neck and neck for that title. Although Cruz might deserve some consideration as well.

On the other hand we have people like Rubio and Jeb, who are horrible options for this country with horrible ideas, but I wouldn't qualify them as being insane. Just depressingly horrible.

But classic NPD and the inability to filter one's thoughts indicate Trump is not right in the head.


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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 01:06 PM

14. Agreed for the most part

Trump is a serious meglomaniac.

There is a part of me that if it was only domestic policy I would prefer him over Rubio or whoever, because he wouldn't just follow the republican agenda and actually has some liberal views, ideas.

But, end of the day, POTUS is commander in chief and is the point for foreign relations, and he is FAR too unstable, unpredictable to chance that shit with him.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:32 AM

8. Interesting numbers...

I figured if Rubio could get into the late teens, he'd be the nominee. However, Cruz is right there with him and can benefit, along with Trump, if Carson continues to crater. It's time for the also-rans to get out of the race. They will have to eventually and it's better if the Dems know their eventual opponent sooner rather than later. If it's Trump or Cruz it may not matter much - the GE would sanity vs. insanity and the GOP establishment would be pissed - but if it's Rubio, he'll be a tougher opponent. No doubt he'd pick a strong VP. Cruz and Trump? Maybe not.

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Response to Blasphemer (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 01:02 PM

13. Yeah

I was extremely confident Carson would fade - just too bland and his skin tone given the primary voters.

And, France propably hurt him more than anyone else, given his low energy and low intense style - conservatives go for the binkies when the $hit hits the fan, and trump's bombastic nature probably makes them feel better about him when the boogyman is on their mind.

I agree, Rubio is the worst case scenario. He isn't a complete moron, and looks the part. They would be able to foist him like Bush II and Reagen. And, he would be someone the establishment liked and the wing nuts would accept.

Cruz may be even with him now, but will have resistance in the primary from the establishment, and has too much history siding with, in fact leading, the fringes of the party.

I thought we would cycle through candidates on that side like the last two times, but it was pretty clear Trump had put the nomination in a sleeper hold late in the summer, at least until the actual voting started, he will be the leader.

The fringe candidates remember the last few years, Santorum actually had a week or two where he went from no where to be second before fading, McCain was on life support at one point.

If there entered into it, no reason not to ride out a few primaries and see if something breaks their way - plus, the fallback on that side is the $$$ made from bilking the faithful and no harm in staying in to keep your status up for that.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:37 AM

9. This is why comparisons between parties are pointless right now.

It's like few remember the way things cycled through the Republican primaries before where we had a new person on top for about a month at a time. EVERYONE got their shot at glory.

And it was pathetic.

Conversely, the Democractic side is more stable with a different set of variables at play that are still unfolding (and fascinating to watch).

But doing match-ups between the two doesn't make sense because there's no stability in the Republican side. It's like doing a match-up with an established team against another team that's still drafting its players and you don't know who is involved.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:45 AM

10. No real difference for anybody but Carson on the GOP side.

All the other changes are not statistically significant.

Another reason to have questions concerning the Q poll. Hillary Clinton viewed negatively by women 41% to 54% (and I am not a Clinton supporter, but still).

There are serious problems with polls this season because too many people refuse to answer and no serious study has been made about who were those people answering. It may be that because only less than 10 % of people answer, this introduces a serious bias. But this is pure speculation because this is not studied.

Also. and really interesting numbers

Could change their mind on candidate

Might change (total)65 (carson)71 (Cruz)65 (Rubio)75 (Trump)53

And you wonder why Bush. Kasich, and Christie are not dropping out.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:50 AM

11. What a strange election cycle: the insane versus the sane.

And almost none of them talking about anything of real substance. Idiocracy is closer than we think.

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