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Wed May 23, 2012, 06:27 AM

US Senate mulls unprecedented aid to Israel

Source: Ynet

WASHINGTON The US Senate is currently reviewing the US-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012 which passed the House of Representatives earlier this month.

The bill proposes shared satellite intelligence, aerial refueling tankers, specialized munitions and surplus drawdown gear from Iraq.

A Senate aide said the bill has already amassed nearly 50 co-sponsors and is expected to pass "by a lopsided margin or even unanimous vote" once it reaches the Senate floor, the Defense News weekly reported.

"There should not be one scintilla of light between the positions of Republicans and Democrats on the issue of the security of Israel," said Sen. Johnny Isakson.

Read more: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4233005,00.html

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Reply US Senate mulls unprecedented aid to Israel (Original post)
oberliner May 2012 OP
sulphurdunn May 2012 #1
former9thward May 2012 #15
sulphurdunn May 2012 #16
former9thward May 2012 #18
sulphurdunn May 2012 #19
Martin Eden May 2012 #2
oberliner May 2012 #4
Martin Eden May 2012 #9
Uncle Joe May 2012 #14
GETPLANING May 2012 #3
safeinOhio May 2012 #5
earthside May 2012 #6
Marrah_G May 2012 #7
sinkingfeeling May 2012 #8
Hubert Flottz May 2012 #10
oberliner May 2012 #17
Hubert Flottz May 2012 #22
oberliner May 2012 #23
Fearless May 2012 #11
Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #12
edcantor May 2012 #13
Rosa Luxemburg May 2012 #20
unkachuck May 2012 #21
pennylane100 May 2012 #24

Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed May 23, 2012, 06:47 AM

1. I wonder how much

 

this will cost us? There's another bill pending that would permit Israelis to enter the US without visas for 90 days. I wonder why?

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #1)

Wed May 23, 2012, 01:57 PM

15. Americans can enter Israel without visas.

So why shouldn't they be able to enter the U.S. with out a visa?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #15)

Wed May 23, 2012, 06:31 PM

16. I never said they shouldn't

 

I just asked. What do you know about the first question?

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #16)

Wed May 23, 2012, 08:15 PM

18. I don't know what it will cost.

I do favor reasonable aid to Israel.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #18)

Wed May 23, 2012, 08:25 PM

19. Yes,

 

the essential word is "reasonable."

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed May 23, 2012, 06:56 AM

2. Kinda hard for us not to look like accomplices if Israel attacks Iran

Of course, with all the aid -- military and financical -- we give to Israel we're implicated in everything they do, including when they continue to build in the West Bank or East Jerusalem against our stated policies.

I'd like to see all this aid tied to behavior on Israel's part that conforms to US policies and efforts at peace with the Palestinians and in the Middle East in general ... but I think we all know what would happen to any US president who tries to withold aid to Israel under any circumstances.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #2)

Wed May 23, 2012, 07:49 AM

4. Isn't this more on Congress than the President?

I think Congress is the prime mover here.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #4)

Wed May 23, 2012, 10:43 AM

9. The President can sign or veto legislation, and he is the leader on foreign policy

However, my main point is not to pin this on the president, but to point out the influence of the Israel lobby on our national policy and our politics.

A politician who advocates tying military or financial aid to Israel's policies -- regardless of how much they act against our own stated policies and even against our own national interests -- will be targeted for defeat and smeared as an anti-semite and/or a terrorist sympathizer. Anything but 100% unconditional support for Israel is pretty close to political suicide, especially for presidential candidates.

Don't get me wrong -- I support Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state and US aid up to a point -- but they will never be party to any peace plan that empowers Palestinians and we will never be an honest broker for peace in that conflict as long as our aid to Israel is not tied to actions by them on the ground that are necessary for an equitable peace.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #9)

Wed May 23, 2012, 01:56 PM

14. I agree and I believe it

does turn into a tail wagging the dog dynamic.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed May 23, 2012, 06:58 AM

3. Israel, the 51st State

Another war is right around the corner.

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Response to GETPLANING (Reply #3)

Wed May 23, 2012, 08:11 AM

5. A 51st state with state paid

abortions and socialized medicine. Fundies don't wish to discus that. US tax payers support that?

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed May 23, 2012, 09:03 AM

6. Revolting

"There should not be one scintilla of light between the positions of Republicans and Democrats on the issue of the security of Israel," said Sen. Johnny Isakson.


And there probably won't be.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed May 23, 2012, 10:05 AM

7. ugh.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed May 23, 2012, 10:06 AM

8. No! Is Israel going to help us rule the rest of the world?

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed May 23, 2012, 01:18 PM

10. What about the deficit?

I guess this will be paid for by social security and medicare cuts?

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Response to Hubert Flottz (Reply #10)

Wed May 23, 2012, 06:51 PM

17. What's being spent here?

I don't see where this involves any extra spending.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #17)

Fri May 25, 2012, 02:53 PM

22. Did you read the OP?

"AID" costs the taxpayer money. ("aerial refueling tankers, specialized munitions and surplus drawdown gear from Iraq."


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Response to Hubert Flottz (Reply #22)

Fri May 25, 2012, 06:44 PM

23. Did you read the bill?

It does not involve any additional spending.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed May 23, 2012, 01:21 PM

11. WHY?!

I mean seriously. Iran again? "Let's just give someone all our stuff and buy new stuff for the next war we start."

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed May 23, 2012, 01:51 PM

12. Israel needs to be punished for its behavior in the occupied territories, not rewarded.

 

We should be cutting off aid until Israel behaves, not sucking up to dirtbags like Netanyahu.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #12)

Wed May 23, 2012, 01:56 PM

13. +1000 We shouldn't be giving away our

 

equipment, we should be selling it to them at a good fair price.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed May 23, 2012, 09:02 PM

20. We can be friends without giving them money?

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed May 23, 2012, 09:35 PM

21. "There should not be one scintilla of light between the positions of Republicans and Democrats..."

 

....but there is a growing number of scintillas between aid to Israel and the American people....Israel needs to practice some homegrown austerity and get their hands out of our pocket....

"...US-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012 which passed the House of Representatives earlier this month."

....now senator johnny, I don't want to hear you bitchin' about the national debt or budget deficits after the election....keep your slimy hands off of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid....

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2012, 08:29 PM

24. I do not understand why our politicians, of both parties, are so determined to support Israel,

regardless of their continued occupation and oppression of the Palestinians.

I know that the Palestinians must share responsibility for the current situation. I am not a student of Shakespeare but I always think that his famous "A pox on both your houses" fits this situation.. (I think he actually said plague but I always remember it as Pox.

Israel will never feel the need to engage in meaningful negotiations while we keep supporting them financially and the Palestinians will also continue to suffer while they refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist. We need to stop taking sides and stop rewarding bad behavior.

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