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Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:27 PM

Donald Trump Says He's Open to Requiring American Muslims to Carry Special IDs

Source: Yahoo, via Mother Jones

"We're going to have to do things that we never did before," he said. "And some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule. And certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy. And so we're going to have to do certain things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago."

What type of unthinkable things is Trump—who has also floated the idea of shuttering certain mosques—proposing? He says he's potentially open to the creation of a database to track Muslim citizens, or requiring that Muslim-Americans carry a special form of identification noting their faith.


Read more: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/11/donald-trump-open-creating-muslim-american-database-requiring-special-ids

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Reply Donald Trump Says He's Open to Requiring American Muslims to Carry Special IDs (Original post)
Rose Siding Nov 2015 OP
msrizzo Nov 2015 #1
underpants Nov 2015 #38
Rose Siding Nov 2015 #76
Darb Nov 2015 #2
valerief Nov 2015 #3
RKP5637 Nov 2015 #14
AngryOldDem Nov 2015 #82
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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:29 PM

1. OMG...

I'm sorry, I know that's a cliche but still my outrage is true.

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Response to msrizzo (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:06 PM

38. I actually said that out loud when I read the subject line

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Response to msrizzo (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:24 AM

76. He doubled down w/NYT: Trump Says He’d ‘Absolutely’ Require Muslims to Register

Freaky dude-

NEWTON, Iowa — Donald J. Trump, who earlier in the week said he was open to requiring Muslims in the United States to register in a database, said on Thursday night that he “would certainly implement that — absolutely.”

Mr. Trump was asked about the issue by an NBC News reporter and pressed on whether all Muslims in the country would be forced to register. “They have to be,” he said. “They have to be.’’

When asked how a system of registering Muslims would be carried out — whether, for instance, mosques would be where people could register — Mr. Trump said: “Different places. You sign up at different places. But it’s all about management. Our country has no management.’’

Asked later, as he signed autographs, how such a database would be different from Jews having to register in Nazi Germany, Mr. Trump repeatedly said, “You tell me,” until he stopped responding to the question.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/20/donald-trump-says-hed-absolutely-require-muslims-to-register/


I saw the clip of that last part on Rachel. Don looked at that reporter like he wanted to kill him. His 1st question was 'who are you with?'. Very intimidating.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:29 PM

2. Holy shit! You can't make this stuff up.

 

These guys are off the chain.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:29 PM

3. I'm terrified of fundie Christians. Can we get them to carry special IDs, too?

And take away their guns while you're at it.

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Response to valerief (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:35 PM

14. Put the fundie Christians in FEMA camps? Good place for them. They, are more of a threat. n/t

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Response to valerief (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:21 PM

82. Fundamentalist Christians are a bigger, more immediate threat to our freedoms right now. n/t

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #82)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:20 PM

85. That's for damn sure! nt

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:30 PM

4. Like patch on their clothing?

How about a tattoo Donald?

Geesh I hate nazis.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:30 PM

5. This jackass never stops does he?

I would say he is a joke but I think that that would seriously underestimate his malicious disregard for the Constitution.
He is a Fascist.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:31 PM

6. Mike Godwin: "Checkmate." nt

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:31 PM

7. A yellow star and crescent armband, perhaps?

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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:35 PM

13. More than likely.

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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:43 PM

22. don't forget the pink triangles....

Why track just the mooslims?

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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:17 PM

80. That's exactly what it sounds like he wants to do.

And I'm sure more people than we care to think about are there right along with him on that idea.

We are headed toward some very dark days here, if we're not there already.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:31 PM

8. wow. nazi much?

 

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:32 PM

9. What's next, requiring Muslims to wear yellow crescents on their clothing?

Trump is may be an idiot, but he's a dangerous idiot.

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Response to Eugene (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:34 PM

12. That is what I thought of too.

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Response to Eugene (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:40 PM

44. Don't be ridiculous !

They'd be red or green, not yellow.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:34 PM

10. Trump continues his march to 50% in the Repub primary polls.

Those of us on the left sit here with our jaws agape from every outrageous comment from Trump while those on the right flock to him like a messiah. Only when he keeps his trap shut does he lose ground in the polls.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:34 PM

11. Next Armbands? Tattoo IDs on wrists? Shackles? FFS! n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:42 PM

18. An armband with a crescent and a star.

 

That would be the closest parallel.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:24 PM

42. Beyond appalling!

For Trump even to suggest such a thing suggests that he has no knowledge of 20th century history. This man must not, must not, must not become president. He is a dangerous demagogue, and that is just the beginning of what is wrong with him. Dear God, how did we end up with such a bunch of Republican lunatics running for president. I remember when the Republican party consisted of small government fiscal conservatives who believed in individual freedom. Where have they all gone?

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Response to potone (Reply #42)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 03:14 PM

58. Are we sure he has not been a Nazi all along? His would not

be the first R family to have supported Hitler.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:39 PM

15. sick

Yesterday we had mayor (democrat) talk about interment camps
now we have the front runner for the GOP talking about Special IDs

Bigots/cowards in both parties make sick

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:41 PM

16. A tattoo on the forehead would be even better.

Maybe we can force them to wear little Green Triangles on their clothing, too?

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:41 PM

17. He's an ass.

I guess I can say that here.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:42 PM

19. .... And he will lose zero support over this.

I'm very afraid of how far his followers will go.

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Response to bigworld (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:00 PM

33. I think he picks off some of the evangelicals supporting Carson and Cruz.

The more militant ones will definitely follow the direction Trump is headed when he makes statements like these.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:42 PM

20. Terrible fascist piece of shit



It makes me very sad that he comes from Queens, New York like I do.

The good people of Queens reject him.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:43 PM

21. dangerous man, very dangerous

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:44 PM

23. So much for the free exercise clause, eh Donald?

Have to R&K this for more exposure of this douche-nozzle.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:45 PM

24. Just replace the Star of David with the Star and Crescent



The swastika can stay the same.

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Response to geomon666 (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:41 PM

45. "The swastika can stay the same." NAILED IT. nt

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:47 PM

25. Just to keep track of them

I'm sure they wouldn't mind if, just for awhile anyway, we put them all into camps...You know, for their own safety.

This dude is fucking nuts, no wonder the Republican establishment is terrified. Frankenstein has created it's monster and it's out of control.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:49 PM

26. This is The Onion right?

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Response to EndElectoral (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:24 PM

83. No. It's pure, unadulterated Donald Trump. n/t

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:50 PM

27. Omg, someone else did this before let me think...

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:52 PM

29. yeah that does remind you of somebody

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:23 PM

40. Here you go …

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:51 PM

28. ISIL will probably contribute to his campaign now

He will give them the War on Islam that they are trying to provoke.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:52 PM

30. I found Trump's ID: Pictured here...

?height=460&width=460&qv=90

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:56 PM

31. T-Rump emulate his base.

GOPers don't learn from history, just ignore it. Many of their forefathers/mothers were banished from Europe because of religious prosecution, not because of them being violent, but because they believed a little differently. How quickly so called "Christians" would rather show hatred than compassion.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:57 PM

32. This is an unAmerican and repugant proposal

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:01 PM

34. Special ID? A card that you carry in your pocket and show

to someone who asks is idiotic. First it does not identify anyone without being asked for. Second this means that anyone with brown skin will be asked for that ID.

ID is what the Nazis were a doing with the different "enemies" of the party - like the pink star. Do we really want to go down this road?

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Response to jwirr (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:54 PM

55. "Papers, please!" n/t

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Response to Stonepounder (Reply #55)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 03:06 PM

56. I am old enough to remember in the cold war that one of the

things we bitched about the USSR was that they required everyone to carry papers.

I just see so many ways this can be used to punish rather than to identify people. Vetting should be done before anyone can be allowed in. There are many people who immigrated from the ME and have been here for many years - are they going to have to have IDs also?

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:02 PM

35. donny boy, it continues to amaze me that you do not choke on your ignorance, hatred, bile and venom.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:02 PM

36. A stark reminder who the real enemy is n/t

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:04 PM

37. Geez Donald...why not just have the wear a yellow star on their clothes??? Fuck he is INSANE!!! /NT

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:20 PM

39. Camps? Special IDs? WTHolyF?!?!?

This is insane.

Evoking Nazi methodology and NOT being run out of public life?
REALLY?

25 years ago comments and "plans" like these would have destroyed a political career.

Somebody stop the ride. I want off...

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Response to Moostache (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:43 AM

75. 25 years ago --- would have destroyed a political career

Now those moves get one a jump in the polls and more media focus

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:23 PM

41. I was honestly expecting Borowitz or the Onion n/t

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #41)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:51 PM

49. ^^

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:26 PM

43. My first thought, wasn't that "Step one on the path to the ovens."

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:44 PM

46. Godwin's Law has just blown a gasket.

Time to take it to the dump.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:48 PM

47. What a tool. I liked this only to make sure DUers get a chance to see the stupidity.

Channeling Nazis, for sure. Does he even hear the words coming out of his mouth?

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:51 PM

48. Not all Muslims look alike

How does he (or his jackbooted friends) propose to be able to find these Muslims?

I sure hope that new Canadian leader will provide us with asylum if one of these turds gets elected.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:08 PM

50. ID's are so, you know, yesterday. Cumbersome,

easy to lose. How about just requiring Muslims to wear a little distinctive patch on the front of their shirt, for example. Can't get lost, never have to fumble for it. Easy Peasy. I don't know - maybe a triangle?

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #50)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 03:31 PM

59. Never get shot because you are reaching for it in your

pocket.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:17 PM

51. ISIS always wants fear among their victims, and we're shitting in our pants now! They're winning!

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:34 PM

52. American gun violence is almost exclusively perpetrated by non-Muslim males.

Tag them first.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:38 PM

53. As a Son and Grandson

 

Of Jewish refugees that were fortunate enough to get out of Germany in the 1930s, words can't describe the chill that a felt when I read the story.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:40 PM

54. Shaped like what? Red crescents, maybe?

 

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 03:11 PM

57. Where are the Republican leaders calling him out on this? Letting Trump make these

comments unchallenged is very dangerous.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 03:50 PM

60. But Donald, what if they don't carry the ID card? You need something more permanent,

more ever-present. I know! How about something like this:

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Response to tclambert (Reply #60)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:06 PM

63. rfid - not tatoos....

That way real people could track them on their smartphones. And they can also build in taser circuits so real muricans can shock them if they get too close.....

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:09 PM

61. It's not fascism when we do it.

 

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:27 PM

62. well, donald, it was fun...

now you can go back to reality tv.

i actually thought you would be the gop nom.

until today.

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #62)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:15 PM

64. Are you kidding?

This won't hurt him at all with the racist, bigoted nutjobs who support him.

I'm in absolute disbelief that this man could actually win the nomination. It's like I've entered an alternate dimension. What the hell is going on with this country?

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #64)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:20 PM

66. the nutjobs will always stay with him

but many conservatives and indys claim to have an interest in history. this has ww2/nazi germany written all over it.

finally something came along that might separate the loonies from slightly more reasonable people.

i would like to see some poll #s in the coming weeks

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #66)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 07:57 PM

70. Republicans are all nutjobs, now!!!

Have you heard of any Republican speaking out against this? Neither has anyone else, because it's what all Republicans have wanted, but none of them had the courage to speak!

Now the man who is leading in the polls has voiced what the party has been after, and that includes the leadership in the Senate, House, at the state and local levels where Republicans have complete control...and the RNC is pretty quiet as well!!!

The German Jews believed that Hitler and his Nazis would fade away, and 6 million dead later, they realized how wrong they were!

Do we really want to make the same mistake, and believe that Republican voters, who are for the most part yellow cowards and racists, don't like, no love what Trump is calling for!


So, if the polls show Trump's numbers going up, will that be enough to show that Nazi ideology is alive and well in the USA? Or will you keep thinking that it's just a bunch of nutjobs?

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #70)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:39 PM

74. i would love to see a sane republican

call this racist crap out for what it is.

in the meantime, i will keep hope that there are not enough nutjobs to vote someone like trump in to office. the key will be gotv for the dems and indys.there are enough sane people to keep trump out of office. its just whether or not they show up to vote.


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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:15 PM

65. There's a sickness in America.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:27 PM

67. Will there be a pink star of David on it?

 

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 07:22 PM

68. But we can't have background checks on gun purchases.

Because that would be too intrusive.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 07:52 PM

69. The headline for this article is poorly written and totally misleading.

He never said what it claims he said. He was asked about it and didn't answer the question one way or the other. Frankly, I find the fact that he didn't immediately say "no" to such a ridiculous suggestion to be pretty disturbing but the fact remains that the headline doesn't match the story.

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #69)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:26 AM

77. Now he's flat out said he wants to require registration

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:52 PM

71. those id cards better not cost anything

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


for citizens at least

for immigrants/legal permanent residents and similar, an id exists, it's called a 'green card' and is issued by 'Dept of homeland security' and BCIS, it does not mention religion (that i can tell) then again i haven't decoded the optical back of one yet

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:10 PM

72. Never thought I'd see the day in this country where Nazi ideas are now considered acceptable nt

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:15 PM

73. That would be

 

unconstitutional.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:12 PM

78. Raw Story: Trump crosses the Nazi line: Maybe Muslims should wear special ID badges



I do not know what it will take to wake people up to the vileness going on.



Trump crosses the Nazi line: Maybe Muslims should wear special ID badges

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/trump-crosses-the-nazi-line-maybe-muslims-should-wear-special-id-badges/


Travis Gettys

19 Nov 2015 at 10:42 ET



Five year old Avram Rosenthal and two year old brother Emanuel of the Kovno ghetto in Lithuania are shown. Both boys were later deported to the death camp at Majdanek, where they were murdered. (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum)



Donald Trump stuck a toe across the Nazi line Thursday morning in the ongoing hysteria over Muslim immigrants.

The Republican presidential frontrunner refused to rule out requiring Muslims to carry special identification showing their faith — which the Third Reich required Jews to do with a yellow badge that resembled the Star of David.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:16 PM

79. I recall Hitler had special ID badges for Jews, too

I don't trust Trump at all. Period.

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Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:18 PM

81. And gays, and gypsies, and the disabled...

In short, anyone who was "not just like us."



Trump is dangerous on so many levels.

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