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jpak

(41,757 posts)
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:06 PM Oct 2015

Teacher of the year resigns after being called 'unqualified'

Source: NBC WYFF-4 Alabama

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. —Alabama's reigning Teacher of the Year has resigned after being told that due to certification issues, she's unqualified to teach.

Fifth-grade teacher Ann Marie Corgill says that officials with the Alabama Department of Education told her that she was unqualified despite her accolades, The Associated Press reports.

In a letter to the department obtained by AL.com, Cargill wrote,"After 21 years of teaching in grades 1-6, I have no answers as to why this is a problem now, so instead of paying more fees, taking more tests and proving once again that I am qualified to teach, I am resigning."

The state Department of Education said it "did not determine Ms. Corgill was not qualified. However, when an inquiry was made, the department reported that her current teaching certificate covers primary grades through Grade 3. This does not carry with it a requirement for resignation," in a news release Thursday.

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Teacher of the year resigns after being called 'unqualified' (Original Post) jpak Oct 2015 OP
You go girl! padfun Oct 2015 #1
What's so unreal is 95 percent of the politicians in Alabama are not qualified to be ditch-diggers. BlueJazz Oct 2015 #2
They are barely qualified to be called human n/t csziggy Oct 2015 #15
Ahhh. But that makes them eminently qualified to be politicians. erronis Oct 2015 #16
Yep, the stupid often move themselves into positions of power because they are obnoxious assholes. RKP5637 Oct 2015 #26
Welcome to Al Abama underpants Oct 2015 #28
I was too embarrassed to point out that the percentage is acually higher where I live. Florida. BlueJazz Oct 2015 #29
Yeah, so many politicians should be shoveling shit in Louisiana. 47of74 Oct 2015 #48
Sweet Home Alabama, #1 in beating up on teachers ... eppur_se_muova Oct 2015 #3
I hope Neil Young will remember... FiveGoodMen Oct 2015 #24
It's like America has developed some kind of auto-immune disease against public education. phantom power Oct 2015 #4
It's called the All Mighty Dollar....Charter Schools... Lochloosa Oct 2015 #8
Yeah, I would too. I'd like to think. catrose Oct 2015 #5
"This does not carry with it a requirement for resignation...." daleanime Oct 2015 #6
Her resignation letter is poorly written, including typos and grammar mistakes oberliner Oct 2015 #7
It's not that bad. tabasco Oct 2015 #10
and she was 2naSalit Oct 2015 #13
+1 daleanime Oct 2015 #23
Keep kicking after she's down. blackspade Oct 2015 #17
I was getting ready to take her out behind the barn and beat the..... BlueJazz Oct 2015 #30
She chose to resign and chose to put her resignation letter online oberliner Oct 2015 #32
Just observing...right... blackspade Oct 2015 #37
As opposed to what else? oberliner Oct 2015 #41
To what end? blackspade Oct 2015 #43
This is just a message board oberliner Oct 2015 #46
These criticisms are petty in the extreme n/t gregcrawford Oct 2015 #25
Agreed oberliner Oct 2015 #44
I'm guessing she's going through a lot right now Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #39
She chose to resign oberliner Oct 2015 #42
There's clearly much, much more to the story Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #47
Agreed oberliner Oct 2015 #49
Feel free to give her the benefit of your critique. Fairgo Oct 2015 #50
I have mixed feelings about this. Before we started "reform" jwirr Oct 2015 #9
Just about every profession that has certifications require ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #11
She does have her certification csziggy Oct 2015 #18
In the practice of Law, one is ABA certified AND one has a continuing legal education requirement .. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #20
No, she probably does not. Igel Oct 2015 #33
It seems that being teacher of the year puts a big target on your back. alfredo Oct 2015 #12
Back peddle, back peddle.... blackspade Oct 2015 #14
No, it's not back-peddling. Igel Oct 2015 #34
First they tell her she is unqualified.... blackspade Oct 2015 #38
Obviously Alabama knows more than the rest of the United States. IllinoisBirdWatcher Oct 2015 #19
Here's what it sounds like. Igel Oct 2015 #35
Total BS and insulting. jalan48 Oct 2015 #21
When "unqualified" has a legal meaning separate from it's practical meaning. Igel Oct 2015 #36
And yet we allow parents.... paleotn Oct 2015 #22
Yeah but they are really good at it underpants Oct 2015 #27
I do believe in having standards and having those standards followed. Gore1FL Oct 2015 #31
Sounds to me like a bit of an over reaction to a bureaucratic snafu at the state dept of education. yellowcanine Oct 2015 #40
So clearly this whole thing is just a bureaucratic mixup Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #45
 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
2. What's so unreal is 95 percent of the politicians in Alabama are not qualified to be ditch-diggers.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:12 PM
Oct 2015

(they just don't have the IQ for the job)

erronis

(15,241 posts)
16. Ahhh. But that makes them eminently qualified to be politicians.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:09 PM
Oct 2015

You know peter's principle and the lightest-weight turds rise to the top.

I've worked a bit in Birmingham back in the 70s. Since then I swore I would never voluntarily have to do more than travel THROUGH that state. It's worked out well for me since.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
26. Yep, the stupid often move themselves into positions of power because they are obnoxious assholes.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 02:52 PM
Oct 2015

eppur_se_muova

(36,260 posts)
3. Sweet Home Alabama, #1 in beating up on teachers ...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:13 PM
Oct 2015

... or just anyone who displays signs of genuine competence.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
4. It's like America has developed some kind of auto-immune disease against public education.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:14 PM
Oct 2015

We're systematically destroying our public education system, teacher by teacher.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
6. "This does not carry with it a requirement for resignation...."
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:15 PM
Oct 2015

translation-we refuse to take credit for any of our actions.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. Her resignation letter is poorly written, including typos and grammar mistakes
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:16 PM
Oct 2015

Kind of ironic considering her accolades with respect to teaching writing.

Here it is:

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/10/national_teacher_of_the_year_f.html

Errors include:

"After 21 year of teaching..."

"...we must feel trusted, valued, and treated as professionals."

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
10. It's not that bad.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:27 PM
Oct 2015

A couple minor mistakes.

I don't think it deserves a rebuke of her teaching awards.




 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
32. She chose to resign and chose to put her resignation letter online
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 03:49 PM
Oct 2015

I was just observing that it had some errors.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
41. As opposed to what else?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:04 PM
Oct 2015

I read the letter, found a few errors, thought it was a little funny/ironic, shared my observation.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
46. This is just a message board
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:11 PM
Oct 2015

People make observations about minor stuff all the time.

It's not really that big of a deal.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
44. Agreed
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:06 PM
Oct 2015

It's definitely nit-picking. I just struck me as funny/ironic that her letter had a few errors, considering the circumstances.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
47. There's clearly much, much more to the story
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:14 PM
Oct 2015

and I don't think she really "chose" to resign -- More like was "asked" to by her supervisors...

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
49. Agreed
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:17 PM
Oct 2015

I'm just responding based on the limited information that I have.

I do think the whole certification process is a bit ridiculous, but it does seem like she was unwilling to take those steps (at least according to the resignation letter) since she felt like it did not make sense for an experienced teacher to do so.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
9. I have mixed feelings about this. Before we started "reform"
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:25 PM
Oct 2015

efforts that have our children taking continual tests schools used these certificates from colleges to determine if a teacher was "good". At the most we took a level test once a year to see where we were at compared to other students in the USA.

I do think it is idiotic that she was called on this. Obviously she is teacher of the year. And they are no longer using these certificates to "grade" teachers.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
11. Just about every profession that has certifications require ...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:29 PM
Oct 2015

a maintenance of that certification. And, in most cases, failure to comply with the certification criteria means you cannot practice in that profession.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
18. She does have her certification
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:12 PM
Oct 2015

From the article linked in the OP: "But 2015 National Teacher of the Year finalist Corgill holds National Board Certification to teach children ages 7 to 12, a group includes most fifth-graders, the AP reports, and that certification is valid until November 2020, according to the National Board Certification directory."

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
20. In the practice of Law, one is ABA certified AND one has a continuing legal education requirement ..
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:39 PM
Oct 2015

fail to achieve the CLE, and one can't practice ... the same goes for any number of other professions.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
33. No, she probably does not.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 04:08 PM
Oct 2015

Not from the article. She's not state certified.

Look at it this way:

If you're a doctor there's a state board certification and there's a national board certification. The national board certification is a cool thing; it looks good, it says you're extra qualified. But without the state certification, it means you're not certified to practice medicine in that state.

Same for lawyers. There's the state bar for practicing in state and local courts. There's the federal bar for practicing in federal court. I think that if you're admitted to the federal bar you're good for anywhere in the country. But there are no "national" medical jurisdictions.

Nor are there "national" schools. Just state-run or state-monitored schools. I'm certified in Texas. I'm not national board certified. I can teach in Texas. My mentor when I was a student teacher was national board certified. Not sure what it got him but a nice line on his c.v.

alfredo

(60,071 posts)
12. It seems that being teacher of the year puts a big target on your back.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:37 PM
Oct 2015

I remember during the days of the Christian Coalition and Moral Majority, they led that attacks against the teacher of the year.

The theocrats need the uneducated.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
14. Back peddle, back peddle....
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:07 PM
Oct 2015
The state Department of Education said it "did not determine Ms. Corgill was not qualified. However, when an inquiry was made, the department reported that her current teaching certificate covers primary grades through Grade 3. This does not carry with it a requirement for resignation," in a news release Thursday.


CYA much?

Igel

(35,300 posts)
34. No, it's not back-peddling.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 04:11 PM
Oct 2015

There are several ways of being highly qualified. State certification is often the easiest.

I'm highly qualified to teach an oddball class, were it offered, because I have a masters in it. I can teach other things because I have the necessary number of college credits.

I could teach anything, but I wouldn't be highly qualified. There are teachers all over the country teaching that lack the proper credentials, but it's often them or nobody and frequently they're qualified in fact but don't have the credentials.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
38. First they tell her she is unqualified....
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 04:55 PM
Oct 2015

Then she posts about it online.
Then they say that they didn't determine she was unqualified.

That is a back peddle.

IllinoisBirdWatcher

(2,315 posts)
19. Obviously Alabama knows more than the rest of the United States.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:19 PM
Oct 2015

After all, Alabama education is ranked 44th of US states by the conservative ALEC lobbying outfit, 50th in 2015 by US News, 49th by the personal finance site Wallethub, and 45th in 2015 by KidsConnect, just to name a few.

It is no surprise that Alabama thinks it has "better" recognition qualifications than National Board Certification. Just look at their success rate as compared to the other 49 states.

According to the AP, "2015 National Teacher of the Year finalist Corgill holds National Board Certification to teach children ages 7 to 12, a group includes most fifth-graders, the AP reports, and that certification is valid until November 2020, according to the National Board Certification directory."

Igel

(35,300 posts)
35. Here's what it sounds like.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 04:23 PM
Oct 2015

She was teaching a lower grade.

She became board certified.

At some point she was moved to a different grade. A lot of states have K-6 certifications. Somebody didn't check before moving her. Or perhaps it didn't matter at the time. Or it was an emergency. Maybe she was certified for those grades years ago and let it lapse--some certifications have "renew by" dates. (Mine does. I have to renew every 5 years, but there's no additional testing. My team leader's is perpetual.)

To be highly qualified under NCLB you need to have the right state certification. She lacks it for her grade. Simple enough thing to fix.

She doesn't want to get it. She should, because one of the grading criteria for NCLB is the percentage of highly qualified teachers in the classroom. She's lowering the percentage slightly, and that's probably when they caught her certification mismatch.

jalan48

(13,860 posts)
21. Total BS and insulting.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 02:17 PM
Oct 2015

How do you go from Teacher of the Year to unqualified? Didn't Alabama just close a lot of DMVs, where people can sign up to vote?

Igel

(35,300 posts)
36. When "unqualified" has a legal meaning separate from it's practical meaning.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 04:25 PM
Oct 2015

I know highly qualified teachers who are incompetent in their subject. But they passed the qualification test.

It's like a professional driver's lacking a class C driver's license. Expert, but not allowed to drive.

In this case, she can teach. But it hurts the school a little.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
22. And yet we allow parents....
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 02:38 PM
Oct 2015

....with no more than a high school education to home school their children through high school.

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
31. I do believe in having standards and having those standards followed.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 03:14 PM
Oct 2015

I don't know the full story, I don't know how national certs work, so I don't know who is really in the "right" here as far as those standards go.

The abrupt resignation seems very non-proportional as a response. There has to be much more to the story than the article gives.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
40. Sounds to me like a bit of an over reaction to a bureaucratic snafu at the state dept of education.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:02 PM
Oct 2015

A mature response would have been to have a chat with her principal to see if he/she had confidence in her rather than flipping out and writing a resignation letter. Very drama queen of her, imo.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
45. So clearly this whole thing is just a bureaucratic mixup
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:08 PM
Oct 2015

or a gap in the paperwork, and for some reason the teacher and school couldn't come to a meeting of the minds?

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