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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,359 posts)
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:53 AM Oct 2015

With Flight 1939, US Airways Flies Into The History Books

Source: WFAE, Charlotte NC public radio

By Tom Bullock • 3 hours ago



The flight originates in Philadelphia, a nod to when the airline was known as Allegheny {Airlines}
US Airways

Friday at 12:05 p.m., a flight from Philadelphia will land at Charlotte Douglas Airport. This is not normally news, or history. But this flight will be both. .... If you happen to be in the terminal around that scheduled landing time make sure to stop by gate D-13 and look for US Airways flight 1939. It will be on the ground for two hours and then it’s off to Phoenix. When it takes off it will mark the end of an airline.

"Customers will no longer see US Airways," says Katie Cody, spokeswoman for American Airlines, which merged with US Airways nearly two years ago. "All the logos will switch over, all the tickets will now be American." ... The two airlines will merge their reservation systems, their websites, their apps. All the kiosks, check-in desks--everything US airways--will be gone by Monday. .... Cody points to that last flight number. "US Airways flight 1939 which is the original year of the start of the airline."

Back then it was focused on delivering mail in western Pennsylvania and the Ohio Valley. It would be 10 years before the first passengers would board. And if US Airways wasn’t an All American-enough name for you, the company was originally known as All American Aviation.
....

The route of this last US Airways flight is also a nod to its history. Starting in Philadelphia – a nod to the 27 years it flew under the name Allegheny Airlines. On to Charlotte, once the main hub of North Carolina’s homegrown airline, Piedmont, which was acquired by USAir in 1987. Then flight 1939 is off to Phoenix, once home to America West, which merged with US Airways in 2005. Then a northbound leg to San Francisco before making a redeye trek back to Philly. And when it lands, US Airways will be history.

Read more: http://wfae.org/post/flight-1939-us-airways-flies-history-books



My father worked for Allegheny Airlines. My first flight was on an Allegheny Martin 202 from DCA to Philadelphia and back.



US Airways flight takes wing for last time

Flight 1939 schedule is as follows:

10:05 a.m. EDT depart Philadelphia
12:04 p.m. EDT arrive Charlotte
2:35 p.m. EDT depart Charlotte
4:01 p.m. MST arrive Phoenix
5:10 p.m. MST depart Phoenix
7:12 p.m. PDT arrive San Francisco
9:55 p.m. PDT depart San Francisco
6:18 a.m. EDT arrive Philadelphia (Oct. 17)
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With Flight 1939, US Airways Flies Into The History Books (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2015 OP
Sad to see so many companies gobbled up by others. Perogie Oct 2015 #1
Not gobbled--merged. There's a difference. nt MADem Oct 2015 #2
gobbled pangaia Oct 2015 #6
Yes, jobs are gobbled every time there is a merger. we can do it Oct 2015 #17
They're unionized. MADem Oct 2015 #18
Meant every time- not overtime. And jobs do disappear when mergers occur, union or not. we can do it Oct 2015 #25
That was probably in preparation for the merger. MADem Oct 2015 #27
Same affect. US Airways ceases to exist. Perogie Oct 2015 #7
The employees keep working. Northwest ceased to exist, in name, anyway. MADem Oct 2015 #10
Can I not feel something is lost without being told I'm wrong. Perogie Oct 2015 #12
Many people here are far too clever to allow nostalgia LanternWaste Oct 2015 #20
Of course you aren't wrong, but you have to keep moving forward. MADem Oct 2015 #28
I don't need a pep talk from you. Perogie Oct 2015 #31
I wasn't giving you a pep talk. MADem Oct 2015 #33
Less competition... pangaia Oct 2015 #32
Flew it many times including Allegheny and Piedmont. Seems most airlines are merging appalachiablue Oct 2015 #3
The irony is that deregulation was unleashed..... Capt.Rocky300 Oct 2015 #21
Deregulate the Banks for 'more competition', also the Media and the Airlines and we end appalachiablue Oct 2015 #30
I flew Allegheny Arline's many times in and out of Roanoke, VA as a youngster Blus4u Oct 2015 #4
Allegheny or Piedmont? mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2015 #9
My family moved to the Canal Zone in Panama in 1956. Blus4u Oct 2015 #11
Oh that F-27 and THE -580 GREAT aircraft pangaia Oct 2015 #34
Thanks. Now I'll be able to tell them apart. mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2015 #36
I remember Allegheny Airlines!! MADem Oct 2015 #5
I am a retired US Airways captain. DemoTex Oct 2015 #8
Feeling nostalgic right about now? MADem Oct 2015 #19
I used to fly Allegheny all the time between PHL and Boston DFW Oct 2015 #13
One of the kids I grew up with BumRushDaShow Oct 2015 #14
as we're forced to build HSR lines the future One Airline can load-shed its MisterP Oct 2015 #15
"Piedmont! Piedmont! Piedmont!" was the chant on the last Piedmont flight NCjack Oct 2015 #16
our freedom of choice olddots Oct 2015 #22
Boy has that de-regulation thing increased competition... Another case of: JCMach1 Oct 2015 #23
Here in MI, many called Allegheny Airlines, Agony Airlines. longship Oct 2015 #24
US Scareways was my favorite jberryhill Oct 2015 #26
my father used to fly on Allegheny Airlines treestar Oct 2015 #29
Given a choice, I always flew US Air rather than AA. Now, no such choice. leveymg Oct 2015 #35

we can do it

(12,178 posts)
17. Yes, jobs are gobbled every time there is a merger.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:17 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:41 PM - Edit history (1)

Stupid autocorrect- Meant every time- not overtime.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. They're unionized.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:34 PM
Oct 2015

FWIW, the American Airlines and US Airways flight attendants have been under the same union for a couple of years. People who leave won't be thrown out on their asses. They'll retire, if they're good and ready anyway.


Because fuel is so cheap, airlines are flying more, not less and their operating costs are reduced.

Oftentimes, airlines merge because one airline (or the other) wants to expand into new markets and increase their market share (number of gates) in existing ones.

we can do it

(12,178 posts)
25. Meant every time- not overtime. And jobs do disappear when mergers occur, union or not.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:43 PM
Oct 2015

They have condensed flights so much you are practically sitting on someone's lap every flight.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
27. That was probably in preparation for the merger.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:49 PM
Oct 2015

When both airlines have gate space in one city, they dump gates to save money.

Also, we're just past high season for Americans vacationing in Europe, and we'll be coming into high season for the sunbirds soon enough. It depends on where you're going, too.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
10. The employees keep working. Northwest ceased to exist, in name, anyway.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:47 AM
Oct 2015

The workers, though, are still working for DELTA.

And Western Airlines went the same way, too--those employees are also working for DELTA.

Before this, we said farewell to Allegheny Airlines--and "US Air!" (No "ways" back in the day...they changed their name).

You know the old saying, plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose -- in any event, life goes on.

Perogie

(687 posts)
12. Can I not feel something is lost without being told I'm wrong.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:59 AM
Oct 2015

I miss the old companies. It's called nostalgia. I'm sad to see them go.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
20. Many people here are far too clever to allow nostalgia
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:08 PM
Oct 2015

Many people here are far too clever to allow nostalgia without criticizing it merely for the sake of criticism.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. Of course you aren't wrong, but you have to keep moving forward.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:54 PM
Oct 2015

There's no turning back.

Hell, I miss "Beastern" (which is what we used to call Eastern). The coach seats were massive, they gave you a meal (with a real fork and a sharp knife) that was edible, and you could usually find an empty row in the back to stretch out and have a nap if you wanted.

I can remember paying as much one way to go to the Carribean on Dear Old Beastern, though, as I've paid quite recently to go round trip to London. Air travel used to be exclusive and expensive. Now it's like Greyhound--Leave the Flying to Us!

Perogie

(687 posts)
31. I don't need a pep talk from you.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:20 PM
Oct 2015

I'll try to avoid commenting on any posts that you have.
Never the twain shall meet.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
33. I wasn't giving you a pep talk.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:29 PM
Oct 2015

Tell me--have we met before?

You seem somehow familiar to me.

Welcome to DU, I guess.

appalachiablue

(41,113 posts)
3. Flew it many times including Allegheny and Piedmont. Seems most airlines are merging
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:22 AM
Oct 2015

so we have about 4-5 domestic carriers now? I remember when there were so many even good old TWA and Pan Am.

Capt.Rocky300

(1,005 posts)
21. The irony is that deregulation was unleashed.....
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:16 PM
Oct 2015

upon the industry because there were only 6 airlines serving most of the country. The rest were regionals like Piedmont, Allegheny, Western, North Central, Texas International, etc. So, in the end, instead of more airlines and more competition we have fewer airlines than we started with. And in the meantime, thousands of airline workers lost their jobs and had their lives turned upside down by vultures like Frank Lorenzo and Carl Icahn. Some even committed suicide. Great experiment Alfred Kahn. I'd pee on his grave if I knew where he was buried.

Not that I'm bitter you understand.

appalachiablue

(41,113 posts)
30. Deregulate the Banks for 'more competition', also the Media and the Airlines and we end
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:20 PM
Oct 2015

up with 5 conglomerates in each industry, like monopolies almost. Funny how that works. The M & A action and disregard for the Sherman Anti Trust Act since Dutch has been something to behold--misery from thousands of jobs, pensions and lives lost, the painful reality.
Being a Mid Atlantic person I've used Allegheny, Piedmont, US Airways all my life- from Htgn., WV, Richmond, Salisbury, MD, Balto., NY, FL. The maps and routes are real reminders, and I'm a bit nostalgic. Sigh..time marches on.

Blus4u

(608 posts)
4. I flew Allegheny Arline's many times in and out of Roanoke, VA as a youngster
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:24 AM
Oct 2015

We moved out of the country in the mid 50's and would fly in every couple of years to visit the grands, who lived in Allegheny County.

I recall boarding one flight to find 2 hulking giants with long, scraggily beards, dressed in farmer's overalls and straw hats sitting in the rear. It turns out they were the Calhoun Brothers of "professional" wrestling fame during the late 50's or early 60's. One of the brothers was called Haystack Calhoun, can't remember the other one's name.

A little useless trivia...

Peace

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,359 posts)
9. Allegheny or Piedmont?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:41 AM
Oct 2015

I flew from DCA to Roanoke and back in the fall of 1967 on a Piedmont Fokker F-27, like this one:



Roanoke is not shown as an Allegheny destination in this May 1, 1957, timetable:



Then again, neither is an Allegheny route I flew in the fall of 1972 from Pittsburgh to DCA on a Convair 580. It stopped along the way at cities in northern West Virginia.

This route map is from January 15, 1970:



I'm getting these from US Airways / USAir / Allegheny / Mohawk Timetables, Route Maps and History

Blus4u

(608 posts)
11. My family moved to the Canal Zone in Panama in 1956.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:56 AM
Oct 2015

We were from the Covington/Clifton Forge area in western VA.
I was 5 years old in 1956. I could have sworn it was Allegheny flying in an out of Roanoke.
But I also flew through Atlanta in and out of Raleigh and Fayetteville and Reagan Nat'l before and shortly after my teen years and found myself on Piedmont and Allegheny many times.

Peace

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
34. Oh that F-27 and THE -580 GREAT aircraft
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:33 PM
Oct 2015

Now pretty much the easiest way to tell a 737 from a 320 is by the antenna sticking up behind the cockpit on the 320..

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,359 posts)
36. Thanks. Now I'll be able to tell them apart.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 01:50 PM
Oct 2015

The Convair 580 was a real rocket ship. It had a pair of Allison 501s on a Convair airframe, and an astonishing power to weight ratio. On the trip I took, Pittsburgh to Morgantown to Clarksburg to DCA, it was a drag race when we took off from those West Virginia airports.

Without checking Wikipedia or Airliners.net, I'm going to guess that F-27s are in daily service somewhere.

Thanks for writing.

DemoTex

(25,391 posts)
8. I am a retired US Airways captain.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:35 AM
Oct 2015

BTW: Former US Air CEO Ed Colodny (who must be near 90) will fly on the SFO-PHL leg of FLT 1939.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. Feeling nostalgic right about now?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:35 PM
Oct 2015

I wouldn't blame you!

I hope old Ed has a few buddies aboard....just in case! They should have invited YOU!

DFW

(54,325 posts)
13. I used to fly Allegheny all the time between PHL and Boston
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:41 AM
Oct 2015

I was going to college in Philadelphia and I had a girlfriend in the Boston area. Many cheap weekend round trip fares.

BumRushDaShow

(128,703 posts)
14. One of the kids I grew up with
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:07 PM
Oct 2015

had a father who worked as a mechanical engineer for Allegheny. I remember he had a cool toy Allegheny jet. They also had an electric train set that no one was allowed to touch and an erector set.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
15. as we're forced to build HSR lines the future One Airline can load-shed its
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:10 PM
Oct 2015

loss-leader puddle-jumpers under 500 mi., so maybe no more Economy Minus (especially if Congress dares make a seat-pitch law)

in fact a bunch of single- and multistate bullet-train systems will allow for the regional "rainbow system" to come back--one for CA, another TX, FL, upstate NY, an Atlanta-based system: the main obstacle is land purchases and avoiding the scads of Congressmen who say it'll let dark people be more mobile ...

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
16. "Piedmont! Piedmont! Piedmont!" was the chant on the last Piedmont flight
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:13 PM
Oct 2015

from Washington, DC to Raleigh-Durham, NC. Piedmont Airlines' management operated a great airline.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
22. our freedom of choice
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:18 PM
Oct 2015

has become freedom from choice .These smaller airlines offered so much more than price and convenience they offered service and civility .

JCMach1

(27,553 posts)
23. Boy has that de-regulation thing increased competition... Another case of:
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:54 PM
Oct 2015

this sure as hell isn't capitalism...

longship

(40,416 posts)
24. Here in MI, many called Allegheny Airlines, Agony Airlines.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:32 PM
Oct 2015

I flew them a couple of times and I thought they were great.

Sad to see the Allegheny name gone.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
29. my father used to fly on Allegheny Airlines
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:09 PM
Oct 2015

for business trips in the 60s and 70s. He told many stores about how bad they were.

I remember an almost bus-like situation where they had flights for the same route of DC to Philadelphia at 4:14 and 4:16 on very little planes. It was cool to look out the window in those planes, especially when you could see the Capitol Building.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
35. Given a choice, I always flew US Air rather than AA. Now, no such choice.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:39 AM
Oct 2015

I found US Air cabin crew and ticketing agents to be uniformly more service-oriented, relaxed, and accommodating than their counterparts at AA. At AA, the most important thing seemed to be remain in-charge of passengers.

Given a choice between service and authority . . . no choice, anymore.

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