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Tue Aug 18, 2015, 11:44 PM

 

Hillary Clinton wonít say if her server was wiped

Source: WP

NORTH LAS VEGAS -- Democratic president candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said repeatedly Tuesday that she did not know if her e-mail server, which was turned over to the FBI last week, had been wiped clean of data.

In a testy exchange with reporters following a town hall meeting in North Las Vegas, Clinton responded, "What, like with a cloth or something?" when asked if the server had been wiped. "I donít know how it works at all," she added.
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"In order to be as cooperative as possible, we have turned over the server," Clinton told reporters Tuesday. "They can do whatever they want to with the server to figure out whatís there and whatís not there. Thatís for the people investigating it to try to figure out."


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Response to candelista (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 11:46 PM

1. Well we will find out shortly. Whole thing is a non-issue for me.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 02:11 AM

36. I would not expect anyone around my age to know enough about computers

to be able to answer such a technical question. If it had been wiped, she might not know it.

She has bigger problems than that.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #36)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 07:34 AM

50. I doubt the server would have been wiped without her consent

Clinton is not just a random person in her late 60s. In addition. If it is wiped, someone made that decision. Given that it was made after a major effort to both print out and save a subset of messaged because the State Department had pushed her to give them the emails.

I suspect that when she set up this system it was done with the expectation that they would all be private. Otherwise, at minimum, the work and personal emails would not have been comingled.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #50)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 07:45 AM

52. She's wiped whatever chance she had to win the General. Unrepairable. n/t

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Response to leveymg (Reply #52)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:05 AM

79. Yes.

 

+1.

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Response to Andrej28 (Reply #79)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:14 AM

84. We're going to see that moment re-run 1,000 times before the General.

It's a killer, because it reveals something about her that most people find intensely disagreeable. What she lacks in personality, eloquence and warmth she makes up with snark, arrogance, and cold, self-satisfied condescension. The remark wasn't even clever or disarming. Hostile and clumsy.

That's what she radiates, particularly when pressed about issues she doesn't want to address, such as her response yesterday, "Like with a cloth?" That's going to be re-run to death, if she's nominated. There's a whole library of similar moments that the public is going to be shown, over and over and over again. No candidate can survive that level of dislikability.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #84)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:19 AM

88. "...snark, arrogance, and cold, self-satisfied condescension...."

 

That's a wonderful definition of "smartassishness,"or "smartassitude," if you will.

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Response to Andrej28 (Reply #88)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:26 AM

93. Smart asses are clever in an offensive way. The cloth comment was

a concession of defeat.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #84)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:53 AM

108. I've already seen it multiple times.

The comment is making the rounds on social media.

But hey ... "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

No matter how wide Hillary opens her eyes and reminds us that she is a grandmother ... well, she is a lousy candidate and that's all there is to it.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #84)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:15 AM

115. But she has such a good sense of humor.

 

She likes to laugh:


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Response to leveymg (Reply #84)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:40 PM

148. Agreed. That is why I keep saying she is a bad candidate. That snark, that condescenion.

It will spoil all Democratic chances in the general election.

I so wish I could support her because I am a woman, but she spells disaster for the general election in 2016 and for the very reasons you state.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #84)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:58 PM

150. "Like a cloth?" - Is she

 

telling us she's dumb?

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Response to 840high (Reply #150)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 02:01 PM

160. HRC was insinuating that she thinks it's a dumb question.

It came across as snarky and condescending. Worse, it was disingenuous because HRC knows it's a legitimate question for a reporter to ask if she had the server "wiped," and that is the widely-used term for erasing its data. She was playing coy.

This is just the way she is, which is a large part of her problem as a politician. To paraphrase Oliver Goldsmith, Hillary stoops to conquer, but she trips over herself.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #52)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:30 AM

99. BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

You've wiped your cred right out of the ball park. For your next trick you will jump a shark, ammiright, ammiright?

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Response to leveymg (Reply #52)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:08 AM

114. snappy comeback! nt

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #36)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:35 AM

69. So, which is fake?

 

Her "I don't know nothing 'bout wiping no hard drives" schtick?

Or her carefully crafted image of tech savviness?

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #36)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:47 AM

107. If you had a server in your home and were using it as SOS, you might know a bit more.

And I bet you DO know enough not to mention a cloth when asked if your server had been wiped. I'm guessing Hillary does, too.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #36)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:42 AM

141. I would not expect a lot of people to understand

 

However somebody who is secretary of state running their own private server should understand.

Somebody with an ongoing investigation over their server should understand.

Yes, she has IT guys that do the day to day maintenance, but should not be acting without her approval, which means she needs to understand what is going on.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:09 PM

146. This is a laugh. If the server was sanitized, they've just handed the FBI a boat anchor.

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I mean, really. Look at the questions and mindsets at hand here.


1) HRC sourced a contracting firm to handle the server. Some folks here think she's personally managing the system.


2) Then, they ask if the drives were 'wiped.' She makes a flippant comment. Here is someone under an investigation, someone who is a lawyer and has a law firm retained to handle this matter. If the server group sanitized the drives properly, there would be nothing for the FBI to look at. If the drives were destroyed, same thing. The only thing would be if someone used an East-Tec Eraser-like tool to overwrite the drive and selected one of the lowest destruction algorithms. The server would only be a benefit if the drives were not 'sanitized.'


3) There are various meaning for 'wiping' a drive, from some people's deleting files to multi-pass overwrites, to physical destruction of the drives. She's not going to speak for the IT team, if she did, it would be hearsay. Folks don't seem to get that! If she wasn't there when the drives were sanitized, it's hearsay. Even if she was present, if she didn't fully understand the methodology as it pertains to best practices, she would not know if what was done was proper.


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Response to candelista (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 11:51 PM

2. Seriously?

 

She is going to pretend not to understand the context of "wiped" in reference to data?

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 11:58 PM

3. When it comes to appealing to Millenials, she's tech savvy...

... But when it comes to responding to difficult questions, she's a digital newbie.

How conveeeenient!

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:04 AM

61. I am supposed to believe this person doesn't know what a data wipe is?

 

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:22 AM

90. or appealling to tech billionarie$ for donations

 

promising more H-1b visa indentured servants

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 11:59 PM

4. She's acting like a lawyer instead of a candidate.

 

She's keeping her mouth shut, due to potential litigation. That's a bad sign for her campaign. She is on the defensive and this interferes with her positive message.

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Response to Andrej28 (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:00 AM

59. Reminds me of

 

"It depends on what your definition of 'is' is."

Once politicians start playing semantic games, especially in reference to an FBI investigation, things don't end well.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:01 AM

6. no shit

 

does she think people are stupid?

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Response to Pharaoh (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:33 AM

35. Hillary does little to help herself with these kind of phony, cringe-worthy comments that people see right through. All she does is embarrass herself further.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #35)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:05 AM

62. Absolutely!

 

How to Look Guilty/Arrogant/Stupid 101.

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Response to Pharaoh (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 07:30 AM

49. Yes...

 

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Response to Pharaoh (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:27 PM

151. She's counting on it.

 

So far, seems to be a good bet on her part.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:19 AM

10. One's wipe might be delete, another 7 pass, another 35 pass, with random data--or sledge hammer.

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Come one now. She's of a different generation, one before the tech revolution really started, around the 1990's.


That's why young people should be engaged in politics, to add a younger perspective to matters. (Another topic).


People say wiping, just like they say internet... but few really know how it works. It's not a series of tubes moment, but wiping is a tech term IT folks and most under 50 know.

Besides, there are a numerous forms of wiping. The best is a sledge hammer. Is she supposed to state the standards or the extent of cleansing the service providers/contracted IT firms did to the machines? Then, when she misspeaks, she's accused of lying. I mean really. This is getting ludicrous.


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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:43 AM

18. Perhaps check the recycling bin??

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 07:46 AM

53. I would hope anyone wanting to be president continues

Learning their entire life.

Here, no one would expect her to personally know how to efficiently wipe a computer. I would expect her to know that even after something is deleted, it is often possible for experts to recover some of what was erased.

If the computer was wiped, someone made that decision. Given the existing FOIA, and the fact that her team did the sorting, I don't think that wiping the machine was something done by her tech person without permission.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 07:55 AM

57. No, she said, "What, like with a cloth or something?"

 

I expect that kind of remark from Bush who I could believe would be that dumb or that disingenuous.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #57)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:05 AM

80. playing dumb is not her forte.

If, after all of this hoopla, she still doesn't understand what they are talking about, then she is just lying.

Any person, with the slightest interest in their future, political or otherwise, would have found out early.

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Response to ChairmanAgnostic (Reply #80)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:29 AM

98. Agreed

 

This just throws chum to the sharks.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #57)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:15 AM

85. "Smartass" might be the word you're looking for.

 

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Response to Andrej28 (Reply #85)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:27 AM

95. "Smartass" is not the tone

 

To take with a press corp that doesn't like you.

You would think she would know that.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #57)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:14 AM

127. +1!

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:04 AM

78. You don't need to understand the technical details in order to understand the colloquial meaning.

And FYI, sledgehammer is ineffective. The platters are still readable.

You really need to go with something like an industrial shredder or a fire hot enough to melt the platters.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #78)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:58 AM

121. Another quibble on technicalities. The exact reason why she cannot answer that question.

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How would she know what the practices of her server contractors were?

No matter what she would have said, someone with a hair somewhere would say she was deceptive.

Besides, she was being flippant.


People at home do not have shredders, but I get your catching a technicality on my terminology.
You do a 35 pass wipe with varying data, well beyond DoD standards, then hammer the snot out of it.


All of the best data security firms physically destroy the devices.


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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #121)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:02 AM

123. Golly, it's really too bad that post didn't have a subject line.

You don't have to understand the technical details of how it is done to understand the broad concept of what it is.

Do you have to be a cardiac surgeon to have any idea what "open heart surgery" is?

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #123)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:08 AM

125. You still have blinders on, missing my point while pushing yours.

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The question would entail her speaking on behalf of the IT group managing the system.

As a layperson, and a lawyer, and someone who is always under attack, she knows that if she misspeaks, it would be used against her.


Her response was more flippant, if you watch her full response.

But, with a lot of older people, they don't have a technical grasp on IT, just like you wouldn't have a clue on half of the stuff she does.


Some people know a wipe might mean to clean the drive of all data, but again she says she doesn't know the means it is done. What you are doing is assuming and projecting your knowledge-base onto others. Not good.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #125)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:17 AM

131. No, I think your point is dumb.

Your point is that she could not possibly understand the technical details of what wiping the server means, and thus could not properly measure if it was really 'wiped' based on a technical standard for thoroughness.

As a non-IT person, she is not expected to know all the technical details. But it is reasonable for her to understand "wiping" means deleting the data on it.

Just like a non-Doctor can understand "open heart surgery" means cutting into someone's heart to fix something. With zero understanding of how you actually do that.

But, with a lot of older people, they don't have a technical grasp on IT, just like you wouldn't have a clue on half of the stuff she does.

Except that she's spent years pushing a "tech-savvy" persona.

again she says she doesn't know the means it is done

No, she claims to not know the entire concept. Not that she does not know the technical details.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #131)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:26 AM

134. No dumber than yours. nt

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #134)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:31 AM

135. Oh no! How will I ever go on with that stinging retort!!

Maybe the lack of actual content will soothe my utterly crippled ego.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #135)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:36 AM

136. No, unfortunately, your mind remains rigid.

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I normally support you, but I've seen when it comes to HRC, a slightly trollishness emerges, demanding the last word.


I wonder if this will get flagged for hurt feelings.


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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #136)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:41 AM

139. Well, when you're shoveling bullshit, you kinda smell.

It's the natural result. Manual labor, combined with a foul-smelling product.

Your claim is the Clinton is a little old lady who just can't understand these "computer" things. Which is entirely different than the persona she has been putting forward for years.

So....is your argument lacking, or has Clinton been lying for years?

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #139)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:42 AM

140. See, you've just affirmed my prior statement. nt

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:17 AM

87. that's odd....in this youtube, she claims to know all about silicon valley

 



I know what the terms means, and there are no youtubes out there with me claiming to know anything about tech

funny how her knowledge, or lack thereof, seems to be so situational and convenient

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Response to HFRN (Reply #87)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:25 AM

92. Thanks for posting that video endorsement of H1b visas by Hillary.

 

Everyone should have a look at it.

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Response to Andrej28 (Reply #92)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:28 AM

96. yes - it really doesn't get any plainer than that youtube

 

where she stands, or how I feel about her

one giant knife in my back

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:51 AM

20. I don't. Not technically. And I think I've heard there is "more wiped" and "less wiped."

That is, some "wiped" data can be recoverable under some circumstances.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 07:47 AM

54. The term "data wipe" has been around for decades

 

and anyone with Data Security 101 (which one would assume includes the US SoS) knows about data wiping, since it is a standard procedure when disposing of any computer that even MIGHT have had the word "classified" on it.

So, either she genuinely doesn't know the phrase, or she's playing dumb. Neither of these options make her look good.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #54)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:08 AM

82. Actually, you don't wipe those hard disks.

If the hard disk has been connected to a classified network, you don't wipe it. You run it through a shredder.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #82)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:30 AM

100. Which would kind of be admitting

 

the drives had classified data.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #100)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:35 AM

103. Well, yeah. You were talking about a government computer on a classified network. (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #103)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:36 AM

117. But the issue was her being asked if the hard drive had been wiped

 

and she was, I feel, being deliberately obtuse, which is not a thing to do when dealing with a hostile press. It made her look bad. So, I am guessing that if the asked her if the drive had been shredded, she would have said, "Do you mean like with a grater?"

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #54)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:49 AM

142. You don't know what the world is like for people who are used to relying on executive assistants. nt

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #142)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 03:09 PM

162. Again, HRC has portrayed herself as tech savvy

 

to the youngsters and Silicon Valley types. So which did she fake, her technical savvy or her "Don't know nothing' bout wipin' no hard drives"?

Personally, I think she was being deliberately obtuse, which is a stupid thing to do with an unfriendly press corp. For a person marketed as "politically astute", she seems to really not understand how the game is played.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:07 AM

81. But you do know colloquially.

You don't need to know the technical details of how to do it in order to understand the overall concept.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:00 AM

5. This type of controversy is what fuels Bernie and Trump

 

It represents business as usual of politicos who are on the cusp of the occupy and tea party movements...

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Response to pipoman (Reply #5)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:13 AM

83. Are you hinting that Bernie or Donald created this "controversy"?

 

That's a novel theory. Got any evidence for it?

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Response to Andrej28 (Reply #83)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:16 AM

86. I'm not hinting any such thing...I am suggesting

 

That shady shit like this email bullshit coming from nonpopulist party candidates will launch a populist of some sort into the Whitehouse in 16...

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Response to pipoman (Reply #86)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:20 AM

89. Agreed.

 

It plays into their hands.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:11 AM

7. I'm leaning Sanders... but STOP with this shit already!

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She's not an IT person and was not part of the tech revolution of the 1980's.


She's a statesperson, and a fine one at that. She does not know servers, PHP, XML, HTML, SSL, DNS, UPS, etc...


The tech field is complex and multiple people need to be consulted to properly secure a system, hence the need to farm these duties out to a contracting firm. Clinton is probably not savvy with the terms 'wipe' and 'sterlize' as we would not be savvy with the myriad of things she deals with.

Specialists are specialists for a reason.


This entire line of attack is complete bullshit and needs to stop!


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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:19 AM

11. to wipe a hard drive

 

and or a server is something a sixth grader understands.

To plea that she has no clue is kind of bizarre,

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Response to Pharaoh (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:27 AM

14. There you go, a sixth grader who grew up with cellphones and iPads.

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Have your parents or grandparents configure a Playstation or set themselves up with a new PC. I'm in my 50s and an IT officer for a multi-national and some of the stuff my kids come with, such as their midi interfaces and stuff introduce another learning curve. Now, I can configure and design multi-system two-phase commit apps and systems, from unix, linux, win, z/os, etc... I've forgotten more languages and proprietary systems than I'd like to admit. But, when you can do these things, everyone calls on you to help them out and you'll quickly find so many people have a technology block.

My son, who was in the 9th grade at the time, was a moderator for either Minecraft or for Valve's TFT. During the same school year, one of his friends started a profit-making youtube channel that now pays for college with hundreds of thousands of subscribers, another started making money developing and selling cellphone apps for Apple and Android. They all learned these skills during the middle school years.

While we might know technology, I bet we don't know anything about many of the tasks Clinton deals with.


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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:16 AM

64. My in-laws who are in older than HRC

 

understand the term. Neither of them work in IT.

Clinton has made a very distinct point when talking to "youngsters" and Silicon Valley money folk that she is "tech savvy".

If you make a point of putting out this image



You know what "data wiping" means.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:42 AM

70. and do you think

 

nobody on her staff explained that to her during all this time before that interview?

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Response to Pharaoh (Reply #70)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:15 AM

128. I gave up on second-guessing what people are told, I leave that for WND readers to do. nt

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Response to Pharaoh (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 02:16 AM

39. Sorry, but the internet is a mystery to me.

My daughter had to sign me up for Facebook. I couldn't do it. I tried to sign up for Twitter today. No luck. They wouldn't take my information.

I had an old computer. My husband took it to the computer repair person. Nice young man. Very kind. He put in a new hard drive. Does that qualify as "wiping"?

I was good enough in the 1980s to figure out how to use a computer from reading a manual, but now everything is so, so complicated.

Even though I am a Bernie supporter, I think Hillary is wise to avoid answering questions that require an understanding of computer lingo. It's very confusing.

How do you wipe a computer? Do you exchange the hard drive? Is that what that means? Or do you just delete stuff? And doesn't that leave a trace?

Won't the authorities ask her computer staff, her assistants? Why is anyone asking her these technical questions?

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #39)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 07:55 AM

58. this is not a technical question, but rather a manager question

They are not asking her to describe in detail anything done to remove messages permanently from the server. They are asking what her team asked the tech people to do.

No tech person would on their own initiative wipe a machine. Here, it is possible that a Clinton aide will fall on their sword saying they requested that assuming that was what she would want without asking her.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #58)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:29 AM

97. Huma may be called upon to take the heat for this.

 

And my hunch is that she will do it. That's what you sign up for when you take on a job like that for a politician. You take the fall when he or she screws up.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #39)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:21 AM

66. it is kind of obvious from the context, even for the non-tech savvy

 

wipe (n)

remove or eliminate (something) completely.

synonyms: obliterate, expunge, erase, blot out


This is English 101.

HRC has made a point of portraying herself as VERY tech savvy. So, either that was an act, or this is.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #66)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:33 AM

101. Even a surfer would have some idea of what it means.

 

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Response to Andrej28 (Reply #101)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:38 AM

118. Yes, and this song would have been around her time:

 

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:21 AM

12. How does being a smartass help her cause?

 

Curious minds would like to know??

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Response to pocoloco (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:32 AM

15. Beats me. I'm not in her head right now.

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I'm not sure if she's being a smart ass, but I do know that one person's definition of wipe differs from us IT professionals.


It wouldn't surprise me if she just sourced support out to a professional contracting firm, since it is rare that just one person can install a really secure system. Most people who think their systems are secure are living in a fantasy. She's a great statesperson, and IT stuff might not be her thing--just like most people in their 60's have tech issues with their cell phones.


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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #15)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:20 AM

132. 'Most people who think their systems are secure are living in a fantasy.'

 

the only way it can be true, is if the computer was pre-wifi, never had a modem, or any internet connection of any kind,has never had a thumb drive, diskette, or writable cd/dvd in it, never had drives swapped in or out or had an auxiliary drive of any type, has always been in a securely locked room, and has never been used by an untrustworthy person

then, it *might* be secure....if nobody ever had a real motive to breach it

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Response to pocoloco (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:16 AM

130. it helps with her 'trustworthy' and 'likabilty' issues nt

 

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:46 AM

19. I have a feeling that none of the other Democratic candidates

are any more expert than she is.

I am one year younger than Hillary. It is not easy to make the continual changes that technology demands.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:53 AM

23. Thank you. I'm younger than she is and I can confirm that most people our age and up

don't know anymore about how our computers work than we do about how our auto engines are designed.

We just know what is necessary to drive them.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #23)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:03 AM

25. It's stupefying that people actually think she's managing the servers. She's got other concerns.

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Part of it is a tech gap, but with my older relatives... the minutia is just not a concern to them.


They look for professionals to perform tasks, freeing them for their concerns.


When asked though, she should defer the answer until she gets the details from her server contractor.



Most here who think they can set up servers would probably have them hacked in minutes. The funny part is that they wouldn't even know it's happening because the audit tracking and security won't be in place, written to a secured storage location. Someone entering would have carte blanche over their machines. They sit there with their WPA2 home wireless network, thinking they are secure, meanwhile their neighbor's kid hacked their key in minutes to hours running cracking software on a laptop.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #25)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:15 AM

27. Most baby boomers and older

are used to thinking of computers as tools, like cars. There has always been a minority who wanted to learn the technical stuff, just like there was a minority who wanted to fix their own cars.

Maybe because we didn't grow up with gaming devices?

Anyway, at some point a long time ago I realized my ten year old daughter knew more about our computer than I did . . . and it just got worse from there.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #25)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 06:57 AM

46. Can't she just ask one of those professionals, get the answer and put this to bed?

Seems like the smart thing to do. Then she won't have to get all hands-in-the-air exasperated.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 02:14 AM

37. She has people that do this that are....

 

That's why it would be expected to have backups.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 06:33 AM

42. Bookmarking for future reference when meltdown occurs

I can see exactly where this is going.......

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 07:52 AM

56. I'm in my sixties. my son likes to say that he doesn't

 

Understand how I can be such a tech idiot. I know what it means, roughly, to talk about a hard drive or server wipe.

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Response to cali (Reply #56)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:03 AM

124. But she would be speaking for her IT team, if she misspoke, she'd be told she was lying. nt

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:09 AM

63. Sorry, but no!

 

"What is your DHCP setting in the IP tab" is what I would not expect HRC to understand. "Was your computer's hard drive wiped" is something that this person would know.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:47 AM

72. If she didn't understand what wipe meant, she would have said "What do you mean?"

 

By saying "What, like with a cloth or something?" reaks of on purpose. This is a B movie line.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:15 AM

8. She isn't helping herself.

"In a testy exchange with reporters following a town hall meeting in North Las Vegas, Clinton responded, "What, like with a cloth or something?" when asked if the server had been wiped. "I donít know how it works at all," she added."

Oh please...she didn't fall off of a truck yesterday.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:40 AM

17. Agreed. She was trying to be clever/funny in response to Ed Henry's repeated use of the term 'wipe'


It didn't come across as very clever or funny unfortunately - perhaps out of practice with it



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Response to SoapBox (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:18 AM

28. I don't know what the technical meaning is of wiped. I hear conflicting things about whether

wiping is ever really certain, or whether data can ever be retrieved.

So she made a joke. Big deal. If I'd been asked a question like that, I couldn't have answered either.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:17 AM

9. not LBN it is an opinion piece, as in "...the exchange typified..." which is an opinion nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:52 AM

22. You kidding me. Everything the Clinton haters perceive as bad news for Hillary is LBN

to them so the can take it out of the primary forum and use it whether it is truthful or not

There are some still standing by the NY Times story that criminal proceedings have begun, even though the NY Times removed that

Funny, if these critics who like to "scarcasticly, refer to Hillary as the anointed one", but fail to recognize that if they piss off enough Hillary supporters with unproven allegations, and their candidate wins the nomination, do they really think Bernie can win the general election without Clinton supporters?

I have seen some Bernie supporters declare without hesitation they will not vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. I again would like to remind them that is a two way sword that cuts both ways

Arguing and discussing differences in policy is one thing, but implying illegalities, not only with this but the Clinton foundation, and almost anything associated with Clinton without proof does not help their candidate in the short or long run





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Response to msongs (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:41 AM

138. That's a huge stretch

It's clearly a news piece from a mainstream news outlet (and written by two reporters - not editorialists).

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:24 AM

13. Probably not her best visual response to the question at the video in the OP




I hope she is watching some of her own coverage and can adjust. It is not worth giving the press any kind of reaction, especially when they did what they did to Howard Dean on just one excited yell.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 02:16 AM

38. "Probably not her best visual response"

 

Not to mention the orange jumpsuit is sooooo "Gitmo".

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 06:53 AM

44. exactly.

 

same with her attempted joke about signing up for snapchat. All humor lost because totally ponderous and overplayed. She looks and sounds desperate whenever she tries to crack jokes that would be better deadpanned, and then move on with a little shrug.

She should watch the video of Obama dusting off his shoulders with a little shrug and moving on.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:35 AM

16. Folks, Hillary is facing a potential criminal problem. So she clams up.

 

Here's the problem:



18 U.S. Code ß 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense,

(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or

(2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officeró

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

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Response to Andrej28 (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:55 AM

24. Really? You wanna bet

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Response to still_one (Reply #24)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:08 AM

26. Your questions are provocative and insightful, but--

 

--you might want to add a little more commentary to clarify your point.

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Response to Andrej28 (Reply #26)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 06:57 AM

45. Remember Powell giving false evidence re: WMDs in Iraq

 

helping to lie us into a trillion dollar war?

Waiting for any of the PNAC crew to be called on their lawbreaking?

Face it: in the US, top politicians are too big to jail.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #76)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:34 AM

102. Again, do you want to bet?

 

There is no scandal here. None., Zilch. Nada.

I'd like to wager that she'll be President, what say, $100?

Also, please describe the details of this scandal that are soooo scandalous. It's a crock and your whining is suspect.

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Response to Darb (Reply #102)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:53 AM

109. I'll bet you 5 LOLs and an "nt."

 

The Republicans won't need to say anything. They can just stand around and watch her melt down. That's assuming she can even get the nomination.

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Response to Andrej28 (Reply #109)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:42 PM

154. You're on.

 

5 LOLs and an "nt". Payable november 2016.

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Response to Darb (Reply #102)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:54 AM

145. I do!

Instead of money, loser leaves DU. We have a bet?

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Response to Quackers (Reply #145)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:43 PM

155. Sure, it's a bet.

 

Send me an email so we can keep up with each other. I doubt I will remember who took the bet.

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Response to Darb (Reply #155)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 02:55 PM

161. Sweet!

Good luck to you!

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Response to Andrej28 (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:21 AM

29. You might as well post the law against murder, reference Vince Foster, and talk about what a problem

she might have had with that, too.

The law won't be a problem for her unless they can prove she willfully broke any law.

And so far, there is nothing but a lot of partisan huffing and puffing coming from Rethugs (mostly anonymous) and, sadly, Bernie supporters.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #29)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:24 AM

30. Read the law in my post. Negligence is enough to get her in trouble.

 

And negligence is obvious already. In 2013 she "migrated" the data to a server in the bathroom of an apartment in this building:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201367/Hillary-s-email-firm-run-loft-apartment-servers-BATHROOM-raising-new-questions-security-sensitive-messages-held.html

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Response to Andrej28 (Reply #30)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:31 AM

32. The Daily Mail is a trash tabloid. What are you going to post next, the National Enquirer? n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #32)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:57 AM

73. The Daily Mail is allowed on this site.

 

I don't know about the Enquirer. I could check that out for you if you like, but I doubt the censors would allow it.

Your comments show that a doubt has been planted in your mind. That's good. Healthy minds should doubt.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:51 AM

21. Reminds me a lot of when Bush was amazed at the sight of grocery store scanners

Come on has she never seen 24, House of Cards, or half a dozen other popular entertainments that would make it clear what the term wipe means. Her age is no excuse. I try to learn new things every day but this makes it sound like she quit learning new things back in the 80s.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:25 AM

31. that Bush incident reminded me of when John McCain went shopping for applesauce in a suit


I don't think he had ever been in a supermarket aisle! lol



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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:33 AM

34. I've watched House of Cards and I don't know the technical meaning of wiped.

And it's laughable that you would think this busy woman spends a lot of time watching your favorite TV shows.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #34)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:00 AM

75. You don't need to know the technical meaning to know the colloquial meaning. (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #75)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:51 AM

143. If I were her, I wouldn't assume the press was using the colloquial meaning. nt

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:07 AM

113. Wasn't the whole grocery store scanner story

Debunked by Snopes?

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:33 AM

33. Hey, I'm just "tech savvy" enough to know ...

... that I no longer have to read RW websites in order to know their latest talking points.

DU has become a one-stop-shopping website - and all of those talking points are now available here at no extra charge!

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 05:26 AM

40. This BULLSHIT!!!!again,they reported during that townhall she gave to about 300 people

 

before the reporters started asking questions Not one person asked her about a damn e-mail

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 06:25 AM

41. Only an idiot thinks someone under scrutiny for this issue would keep herself ignorant

 

If the FBI is looking into something related to a person, then that person is going to find out as much as she can.

She knows if someone wiped the server, and if she doesn't then she is an idiot.

And Clinton is no idiot.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 06:35 AM

43. I just saw this story on the morning news

and seriously? I am younger than she is and have no idea what it takes to "wipe" a server. I can delete emails and then empty my trashcan and I can reformat a hard disk and that is the extent of my knowledge about "wiping" anything. In fact, I have an old laptop I was thinking of giving to a patient and wondering to myself if I needed to take it to Staples or something for them to make sure there is nothing personal left on it.

And to tell you the truth, I think the majority of people don't really think much about this email thing. For most of us our experience with email is a constantly cluttered inbox with constant notifications that it is "full" and having to mass delete important stuff with the garbage (even with spam filters) and saying to our selves "C'est La Vie." -- as in the average American who is not politically agenda driven.

However, one friend of mine who is Fox News Republican (she told me she personally held Obama responsible for 300,000 deaths in Asia -- for not supporting rebels? -- I was like -- are you talking about Syria? totally confused.. another post I'm sure..) asked me "Who will the Democrats run if Hillary Clinton is made ineligible for the electoral race because of the email scandal?" tells me everything I need to know about the email scandal.

Then she mentioned Benghazi-- I brought up Beirut, Contra Scandal, S&L Crisis, the first Iraq invasion, the entire GW presidency..... I said obviously, candidates overcome these things.

I told her that there are plenty of candidates. When I mentioned Bernie Sanders she said "Oh he could never win, he's a socialist." I said "yes, he is a democratic socialist but if you look at his platform, it looks very much like Eisenhowers". She said Oh, Eisenhower was a Republican! I said I know. Anyway, the fact is that Barack Obama won and no one thought it would be possible this early in the race at the time.

I also told her the Democratic Party has a number of candidates to primary including OMalley as well and that Biden could also decide to run. I think it is funny that there is an operating concept that the quantity of candidates is better than the quality. So to go back to the OP-- I think the email issue for Clinton is really a non issue for the vast majority of Americans. My intuition is that the bigger issue is that so far the choices contain a Clinton and a Bush and people want to move on.

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Response to eilen (Reply #43)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 07:03 AM

47. you don't need to be a computer genius or understand the details of how

 

The question behind the question is did she instruct anyone on her staff to erase the data on her computer.

If she answered, "As far as I know, the data was not erased and was still on the computer. I wouldn't know how and I certainly never instructed anybody to erase it." she'd be fine.

Instead, she replies with ham-handed attempts to distract and sound innocent. She's blowing smoke and it's working against her; in most people's minds where there is smoke, there is fire.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 07:13 AM

48. What difference does it make??? There are many copies anyway.

Google and McAffee backed up the server (reported years ago), Her lawyers turned over other copies on thumb drives. Over 90% of the emails were already captured by .gov computers. An entire printed copy was provided years ago.

How many copies does anyone need?

If they would do what Hillary asked years ago and just released all the emails to the public, we could all be bored to death reading all those silly routine conversations.

Personally, I really, really don't want to read the spam that Hillary got from the florists shops, yoga studios, and wedding planners!!!

I don't blame anyone for refusing to make public emails that may contain medical information, friend's phone numbers, mother-daughter conversations, and death condolences.

Whether they recover anything on the server or not is irrelevant - because there will be nothing new. The GOP operatives will CLAIM that Trumps wedding invitation was "business" and twist every item into being "work-related". People will go crazy over every sentence in the State Dept. emails and CLAIM it should be "secret", even if something is common knowledge and was never marked at the time.

It's a silly waste of time, but maybe that's good. It keeps the "bash and trash" folks busy wasting their energy instead of getting out and promoting a competitor.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 07:40 AM

51. 'What, like with a cloth or something?'--> cute, and obtuse

 

not helping in the 'trustworthy' department

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 07:47 AM

55. Supporter or not, this is classic Rep. bullshit

Perhaps the only concern anyone should have of Hillary's candidacy is that it will bring yet another vicious cycle of republican attacks on her administration - from Day one through whenever she leaves office.
We all remember Bill's administration, fondly in hindsight perhaps, but riddled as it was with one "investigation" after another. Of course we all know what all of these witch hunts produced and that's is all they want: something that may suggest impropriety.
Let's face it, hackers from China and Russia probably know every god damn email anyway.
What's the real deal here? It's about trapping Hillary in something that will suggest a ...well, impropriety.
That said, I'm not sure she can survive this one. Like from a thousand minor cuts, eventually the patient bleeds out and we may be seeing this unfold now, we'll see.
Sadly for the left, myself firmly included, we really don't have a good alternative in the general election. As much as I love Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden - neither has a realistic chance against the idiots the repubs are propping up. There's just no mass national appeal there. I do think Elizabeth Warren could step in quite neatly into Hillary's role but all indications are against that scenario.
We have to face the facts about this country, we're not a very bright people anymore.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:02 AM

60. This "she doesn't understand" is bullshit.

She may very well not know how to wipe a drive but that wasn't the question. Analogy-"Is your cat neutered?". The answer is yes or no and for the same reason-it is your cat and nobody is going to sneak into your house and neuter it.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:22 AM

67. The left carrying the RW's water ... awesome.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #67)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:27 AM

94. The op is commenting on exactly what HRC said - not all criticism is "rw"

Claiming everything is, makes it harder to be believed when things really are coming from the right wing. Here, the question is coming because the FBI has the server. That is pretty note worthy.

It is interesting that no one has focused on the HRC comment that having set things up as she did was a mistake. It is pretty rare when someone in her position concedes that she was wrong. (Not culpable, but wrong. Clearly that decision led to tons of work and trouble for both her and the State Department.)

As to the comment itself, it is tone deaf. While almost all of us - no matter how old - know what "wipe the machine" means conceptually, this highly intelligent woman who has been dealing with this since March makes a JOKE implying she does not understand and some are taking her comment literally to defend her.

It is a negative story -- but not a right wing one.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #94)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:36 AM

104. This shit is undeniably RW.

 

Nothing happened that was even wrong. She used the wrong computer? Fuck this noise.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:24 AM

68. She needs to stop trying to be cute

Just for some perspective, here is the story of a Marine facing similar allegations. This isn't after the fact classification and I don't think it's going away.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/14/hero-marine-nailed-for-sending-classified-report-from-personal-email.html

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:45 AM

71. "What, like with a cloth or something?"

 

She just lost the young vote.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:59 AM

74. drip....drip....drip....drip...

You'd think that someone who had been hounded by scandals and "scandals" over 40 years would be better at responding to them.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:02 AM

77. She turned over the server to investigators.

They'll say one way or another.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:23 AM

91. People who care about the manufactured "email scandal"

 


1. Faux News
2. Traditional Hillary Haters
3. Koch brothers
4. Karl Rove
5. People jealous of Clintons
6. Communists (PC word is "socialist"
7. Assorted Rupert Murdoch rags like daily mail

Bernie supporters -- you are in such GREAT company!

PS: The rest of the country doesn't give a fuck

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #91)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:45 AM

105. You forgot HER ALLIES.

 

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #105)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:59 AM

110. Another politico BS story -- keep propagating RW points n/t

 

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #110)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:03 AM

111. So, you think none of her allies are concerned? n/t

 

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #111)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:41 AM

120. People are concerned about making a big deal out of a non-story

 

My advice to Bernie Supporters --

Bernie is a good man and I like his views. He can stand on his own with a positive message.

DO YOU REALLY HAVE TO ATTEMPT TO TEAR HRC DOWN in order to win? If you have to use RW talking points and RW non-scandals to advance Bernie's cause, it shows a bankruptcy of your candidate in winning with simply his platform.

What you are doing is unhealthy for the democratic party.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #120)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:26 PM

147. What does that have to do with pointing out that there is more concern for Hillary and her emails..

 

..than what was listed in the post I responded to?

I agree that it's a non-story. But putting the blame on Bernie and his supporters only is not fair.

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #147)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:35 PM

153. If Bernie supporters KNOW it is a non-story

 

then why keep regurgitating it, cheering it and rejoicing over it?

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #153)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:45 PM

156. One, I don't speak for all Bernie supporters. I can only speak for myself.

 

I disagree with the few Bernie supporters that are trying to use it against her.

Three, you claimed that no one besides those that are opposed to Hillary were concerned about the email "scandal". I showed you that it actually includes some of her allies.

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #156)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:56 PM

158. I respect your position n/t

 

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #91)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:57 PM

159. I actually support all the Democratic candidates at this time.

My mind is not made up. I want to hear what they all have to say and am overjoyed at their successes. I don't think the email thing is a big deal. It is a weapon that can be used against her to limited effect.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:46 AM

106. Then again, what is she supposed to say?

 

"I decline to answer on the grounds that it might tend to incriminate me"?

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:04 AM

112. LOL!

 

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:29 AM

116. Seems pointless to bother wiping

Wouldn't you have to assume that Nation States could have copies of anything that might have potential for blackmail? Seems better to me that they just get infront of it and disclose way to much. Than risk a potential enemy (Putin, Jinping, etc) threatening to disclose something.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:38 AM

119. She Answered Poorly

Last edited Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:40 PM - Edit history (1)

Do you realize what Hillary just said to her most fervent supporters?:

1) She thinks you're stupid


2) In fact, she thinks you're so stupid that she'll say "what do you mean wiped"


3) In fact, she believes you might buy this humorless fey of ignorance while she's smirking at you as she says it

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #119)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:33 PM

152. May I make a humble request?

 

Those of us with special needs children would prefer that other not use terms like "short bus" as a put-down.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:58 AM

122. Her property? She can do whatever she wants to it.

Of course it was wiped. This is standard OP on any computer.

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Response to GOLGO 13 (Reply #122)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:15 AM

129. anything related to FIOA (Freedom of Information Act) is anything but 'personal property' nt

 

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:14 AM

126. the Secretary of State really doesn't know what a 'data wipe' is?

 

someone who regularly worked with the CIA and NSA?

really?

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:23 AM

133. "With a cloth or something?" Jeezus, she thinks we're all stupid.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #133)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:38 AM

137. The Screen shot was not flattering either from ABC news

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #137)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:53 AM

144. Yeah...guess she decided that playing dumb required looking dumb.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:47 PM

149. She was SoS and the head of the Department of State

She was accountable for all classified material incidents within her agency. She absolutely would have knowledge of what is involved with wiping hard drives. I wouldn't expect her to know how to carry out the procedure but she would absolutely know the capability exists and what it would take to ensure the destruction of a drive in the event of a CMI. No way she doesn't know what wiping a drive means.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 01:53 PM

157. Classic lawyer ball.....

 

There is no way anyone could actually believe she did not understand what she was being asked.

She absolutely 100 percent knew exactly what she was being asked and so did everyone else in the room and everyone else who has seen the clip of the interview.

She is playing lawyer ball......and everyone who has seen that clip knows it.

And it does not look good on her.

Refusing to answer such a simple, clear, and easy to understand question speaks volumes.







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Response to Sivart (Reply #157)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 03:15 PM

164. A "naked lunch" moment.

 

That's the moment during lunch when everyone sees what is on everyone else's fork. (William S. Burroughs)

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 03:12 PM

163. If I was a politician and had personal emails on a server I would definitely erase

the server they were on when I was no longer using the server. Then I'd smash the computer it was on. Nothing abnormal about that.

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Response to candelista (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:22 PM

165. Hillary's Boo Boo

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