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shawn703

(2,702 posts)
Wed May 9, 2012, 07:30 AM May 2012

Russian plane disappears in Indonesia

Source: CNN

Russia's newest civilian airliner disappeared Wednesday from radar screens during a demonstration flight in the Indonesian capital, Jakarta, state-run RIA Novosti news service reported.

There were 44 passengers on board.

The pilots requested permission to descend from 10,000 feet to 6,000 feet, air traffic controllers said. After that, all radio contact was lost.

The plane began making its descent but vanished from radar screens at 6,200 feet in a mountainous area.


Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/09/world/asia/indonesia-plane/index.html

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Russian plane disappears in Indonesia (Original Post) shawn703 May 2012 OP
If the buyers are dead.... jakeXT May 2012 #1
LOST harun May 2012 #2
It just became a buyer's market, big sale on @ Sukhoi... n/t IamK May 2012 #3
Disappears? Phoonzang May 2012 #4
Search resumes in Indonesia for missing Russian plane Eugene May 2012 #5
Bodies found at mountainside wreck of ill-fated Russian jet in Indonesia; all 45 feared dead muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #6
May or may not be a CFIT or ATC error at a preliminary glance... Blue_Tires May 2012 #7
sightseeing? Baclava May 2012 #10
not really sightseeing Blue_Tires May 2012 #11
seems like it wouldn't be hard to miss a volcano Baclava May 2012 #13
until you add weather/cloud/visibility issues in the mix Blue_Tires May 2012 #18
Apparently VFR conditions, somebody on 'airliners' thinks like me Baclava May 2012 #21
more discussion here Blue_Tires May 2012 #8
video from helicopter of crash site - looks like they almost made it over the lip of the crater Baclava May 2012 #23
No survivors found after Russian plane crashes in Indonesia Baclava May 2012 #9
skimming the top of that mountain ridge... Evasporque May 2012 #12
Holy crap. What a crash site. Codeine May 2012 #16
I know it's no real 'consolation', but at least it was instant death... Blue_Tires May 2012 #19
Industrial sabotage by Airbus or Boeing... octothorpe May 2012 #14
Found it! octothorpe May 2012 #15
Madsen is both a Truther and a Birther. Lets just say his judgement is suspect. nt hack89 May 2012 #20
Heh... Yeah, I did some searches on him afterward... octothorpe May 2012 #22
Flight-seeing? pfitz59 May 2012 #17
'Black box' of Russia jet crash found in Indonesia Eugene May 2012 #24
I'd be interested to know if the FDR also recorded video Blue_Tires May 2012 #25

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
1. If the buyers are dead....
Wed May 9, 2012, 08:10 AM
May 2012

During its second flight, the aircraft took the potential buyers– representatives from Indonesia’s Batavia, Pelita, Air Aviastar, and Sriwijaya Air. 


http://rt.com/news/sukhoi-superjet-disappears-radar-838/

Phoonzang

(2,899 posts)
4. Disappears?
Wed May 9, 2012, 10:50 AM
May 2012

Well if it was descending and went off the radar it's pretty safe to assume it kept descending.

Eugene

(61,592 posts)
5. Search resumes in Indonesia for missing Russian plane
Wed May 9, 2012, 08:33 PM
May 2012

Source: Reuters

Search resumes in Indonesia for missing Russian plane

By Olivia Rondonuwu

BOGOR, Indonesia | Wed May 9, 2012 8:04pm EDT

(Reuters) - Rescuers resumed searching a mountain area south of the Indonesian capital at first light on Thursday for a Russian Sukhoi plane with 50 people on board that went missing during a demonstration flight and is presumed crashed.

Radio contact with Russia's first all-new passenger jet since the fall of the Soviet Union was lost at about 0800 GMT on Wednesday after it descended to 6,000 feet around Mount Salak, a volcano 7,254 feet above sea level, officials said.

The Superjet 100 plane was carrying Indonesian businessmen, Russian embassy officials and journalists. Dimitry Solodov from the embassy said there were eight Russians on board, including pilots and technicians.

"We have deployed an air search this morning but so far we have not located the plane. The sun has not come through to the area because the fog is very thick," Udjwalaprana Sigit, head of West Java disaster mitigation agency, told Reuters by telephone.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/10/us-indonesia-sukhoi-idUSBRE8480LB20120510

muriel_volestrangler

(101,149 posts)
6. Bodies found at mountainside wreck of ill-fated Russian jet in Indonesia; all 45 feared dead
Thu May 10, 2012, 05:38 AM
May 2012
Rescuers discovered bodies Thursday near the shattered wreckage of a new Russian-made passenger plane that smashed into the steep side of an Indonesian volcano during a flight to impress potential buyers. All 45 people on board were feared dead.

Due to the remoteness of the crash site, the bodies will need to be placed in nets and lifted by ropes to a hovering chopper, national search and rescue agency spokesman Gagah Prakoso said. The bodies from Wednesday’s crash were to be flown to the capital, Jakarta, for identification by family members.

“So far we haven’t found any survivors, but we are still searching,” he said. “I cannot say anything about the condition of the bodies,” Prakoso said, but he added that: “A high speed jet plane hit the cliff, exploded and tore apart.”
...
The plane, Russia’s first new passenger jet since the fall of the Soviet Union two decades ago, hit a jagged ridge on top of Mount Salak, a long-dormant volcano, leaving a giant earthy gash along the steep slope as it stripped trees.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/bodies-found-near-wreckage-of-russian-jet-all-45-passengers-and-crew-feared-dead/2012/05/10/gIQA93duEU_story.html

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
7. May or may not be a CFIT or ATC error at a preliminary glance...
Thu May 10, 2012, 08:48 AM
May 2012

Supposedly they asked for a clearance to 6,000 feet when the MSA is that area is I think 7,200

very, very sad for all involved...

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
11. not really sightseeing
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:33 PM
May 2012

it was just a little public relations/marketing sales trip for some airline reps and journalists...I think it was just going to be a half-hour circle around and come back...

r.i.p. to all involved

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
18. until you add weather/cloud/visibility issues in the mix
Fri May 11, 2012, 08:17 AM
May 2012

and there are a few other good points raised by the folks on the airliners forum...

but we'll see what the investigation turns up...

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
21. Apparently VFR conditions, somebody on 'airliners' thinks like me
Fri May 11, 2012, 11:13 AM
May 2012

"A demo flight - circle a volcano, impress some folks on board (and make the pilots' job a bit more exciting that day as well) - VFR conditions - Captain wants a close up of the crater hence he is requesting to go to 6,000ft, knowing full well he has to pay very close attention to terrain - terrible misjudgment of situational awareness occurs and it's simply too late. They almost cleared a cliff though..."

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
23. video from helicopter of crash site - looks like they almost made it over the lip of the crater
Fri May 11, 2012, 04:31 PM
May 2012
 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
9. No survivors found after Russian plane crashes in Indonesia
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:05 AM
May 2012


The plane left Halim Perdanakusuma Airport in Jakarta for a quick test flight aimed at impressing potential buyers.

Twenty-one minutes after take-off, the crew asked for permission to descend from 10,000ft to 6,000ft, said Daryatmo.

The plane went off the radar immediately afterwards. It was not clear why the Russian pilot and co-pilot asked to drop down, especially when it was so close to the 7,000ft mountain, or if the descent was approved.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2141795/Russian-Sukhoi-Superjet-100-wreckage-plane-vanished-Indonesia-demo-flight.html#ixzz1uTmqNeuc
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
16. Holy crap. What a crash site.
Fri May 11, 2012, 01:05 AM
May 2012

I don't know why, but the sheer mountain face with the wreckage sliding off into nothing makes it all somehow even more depressing and hopeless than it would otherwise be.

octothorpe

(962 posts)
14. Industrial sabotage by Airbus or Boeing...
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:24 PM
May 2012

I have no proof of this, but I know it to be true.


Actually I don't. I don't believe it at all, but I bet someone on the internet will write an article or blog about it.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
20. Madsen is both a Truther and a Birther. Lets just say his judgement is suspect. nt
Fri May 11, 2012, 08:35 AM
May 2012

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octothorpe

(962 posts)
22. Heh... Yeah, I did some searches on him afterward...
Fri May 11, 2012, 12:06 PM
May 2012

I'm not sure what to make of that site though. I don't know if they're 100% serious or not, because some of the shit seems like it's written tongue-in-cheek. For example, there is an article on there that says the recent salmonella tainted dog food was a government plot to kill poor elderly people who rely on eating dog food. That's like something I'd say if I was trying to say something ridiculous to mess with people.

Eugene

(61,592 posts)
24. 'Black box' of Russia jet crash found in Indonesia
Tue May 15, 2012, 09:55 PM
May 2012

Source: Associated Press

'Black box' of Russia jet crash found in Indonesia

JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) — Indonesian special forces have found the voice-and-data recorder of a new Russian passenger jet that slammed into a jagged, mist-shrouded cliff on a dormant volcano, an official said Wednesday.

The "black box" could help explain the cause of the deadly crash of the Sukhoi Superjet 100, which had been on a short demonstration flight for potential buyers. Search and Rescue agency spokesman Gagah Prakoso said it was found near the tail of the shattered wreck at the bottom of a 1,500-foot (500-meter) ravine.

The device was delivered to investigators late Tuesday. It was badly burned and lost its orange color, making it harder for search teams to find it among the trees and heavy brush, Prakoso said.

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Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-05-15/indonesia-russian-plane-black-box/54981630/1

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
25. I'd be interested to know if the FDR also recorded video
Wed May 16, 2012, 08:13 AM
May 2012

since there were mounted cameras in the cabin and flight deck...And if so, the kind of precedent it could set (using video cameras in the cockpit to investigate potential crashes has been a very sticky point of contention between pilots and aviation authorities)...

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