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Tue May 8, 2012, 11:28 PM

North Carolina Gay Marriage Ban: Obama Says He's 'Disappointed'

Source: Huffington Post

WASHINGTON President Barack Obama's campaign says he's "disappointed" with North Carolina's constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

Obama campaign spokesman Cameron French said in a Tuesday statement that the ban on same-sex unions is "divisive and discriminatory." French says same-sex couples deserve the same rights and legal protections as straight couples.

Obama officials have been embroiled in a national discussion of same-sex marriage since Vice President Joe Biden said Sunday that he is "absolutely comfortable" with gay marriage. Obama himself hasn't embraced legalizing gay marriage, saying his views on the subject are "evolving."

North Carolinians overwhelming voted Tuesday to amend their state constitution, strengthening a state law that already outlawed same-sex unions.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/gay-marriage-obama-north-carolina_n_1501766.html

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ProfessionalLeftist May 2012 OP
markpkessinger May 2012 #1
markpkessinger May 2012 #40
24601 May 2012 #43
Initech May 2012 #2
Behind the Aegis May 2012 #3
SunSeeker May 2012 #4
Behind the Aegis May 2012 #8
armodem08 May 2012 #9
Behind the Aegis May 2012 #10
alp227 May 2012 #11
Behind the Aegis May 2012 #12
alp227 May 2012 #13
Behind the Aegis May 2012 #14
alp227 May 2012 #15
Behind the Aegis May 2012 #16
alp227 May 2012 #17
cstanleytech May 2012 #22
Bluenorthwest May 2012 #46
blkmusclmachine May 2012 #5
totodeinhere May 2012 #6
Rhiannon12866 May 2012 #7
Lil Missy May 2012 #18
bupkus May 2012 #19
EFerrari May 2012 #20
Puglover May 2012 #24
QC May 2012 #28
Marrah_G May 2012 #30
maddezmom May 2012 #25
fishwax May 2012 #32
AngryAmish May 2012 #33
William769 May 2012 #26
enlightenment May 2012 #29
TeeYiYi May 2012 #31
yardwork May 2012 #37
TeeYiYi May 2012 #39
ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #34
Vanje May 2012 #35
yardwork May 2012 #36
JVS May 2012 #38
Duncan Grant May 2012 #42
cstanleytech May 2012 #21
Iliyah May 2012 #23
NorthCarolina May 2012 #27
and-justice-for-all May 2012 #41
BamaFanLee May 2012 #44
former9thward May 2012 #47
WhiteShoesATL May 2012 #45

Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 11:40 PM

1. If you are "disappointed", Mr. President, then get off the fence and demonstrate some leadership!

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #1)

Wed May 9, 2012, 03:46 PM

40. And get off the fence you did! Thank you, Mr. President! n/t

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #1)

Wed May 9, 2012, 09:37 PM

43. He is. After all, the convention, and all those dollars, go to NC. That will teach them!

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 11:41 PM

2. It's official: this issue should *NOT* be left up to the states!!!

Fuck you Bush - after making this such a fucking wedge issue in 2000 and 2004 this is what we're dealing with now. We need an equal rights amendment, not this shit!

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 11:51 PM

3. Did Obama REALLY say this?

All I see in the damn article is "Obama campaign spokesman Cameron French said.." and "Barack Obama's campaign says...

Mr. President, if you are so "disappointed," then pull up to the podium and say, in the microphone, "I, President Obama, am disappointed by this vote!" Do it!

The gAyTM in this household says, "Sorry to "disappoint", but we're out of money!"

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #3)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:32 AM

4. Unbelievable. Your reaction to this news is to be angry at Obama?!

He is obviously walking a fine line here. He has to deal with the reality that 30 states have voted to ban same-sex marriage, and continue to do so every time it is put up for a vote, including in my very blue state of CA. Obama is doing the best he can, and he has done more for the LGBT community than any other President. He refused to defend DOMA and got rid of DADT. That IS leadership.

Instead of expressing your outrage at the 61% of NCers who voted for this bigotry, you're pissed at Obama because he didn't walk up to a mic and say he was disappointed rather than saying it through his campaign. And until he does, you will not contribute to his campaign. Yes, that makes sense, because Romney would be SO much better for the LGBT community.

The only way all these bigotry-enshrining state laws are going to be overturned is if we get a liberal majority on the Supreme Court. And that is only going to happen if we keep electing Dems as POTUS.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #4)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:57 AM

8. Damn right I am angry.

Oh, the "Romney would be better" dig. How fucking trite. I have every right to be angry and "disappointed" and don't need someone wagging his/her finger at me telling me my reaction is wrong.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #8)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:59 AM

9. Then you want a perfectionist, not a president. Nt.

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Response to armodem08 (Reply #9)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:04 AM

10. If asking for someone to stand up for civil rights is asking for a "perfectionist," then yes, I am

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #10)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:19 AM

11. It took 3 years for JFK to come out for civil rights.

From Wikipedia:

Kennedy believed the grassroots movement for civil rights would anger many Southern whites and make it more difficult to pass civil rights laws in Congress, which was dominated by conservative Southern Democrats, and he distanced himself from it.


However, Pres. Kennedy did order federal intervention in cases where the Univ. of Mississippi and Univ. of Alabama blocked black students from entering campus, albeit "reluctantly" in the Mississippi case. Kennedy still didn't want to introduce a full civil rights bill, telling Martin Luther King Jr.: "If we get into a long fight over this in Congress, it will bottleneck everything else, and we will still get no bill." Finally, on June 11, 1963, JFK went on national TV to give an address launching civil rights initiatives, but Kennedy was assassinated nearly five months later and did not live to see his successor LBJ sign those initiatives into law the next year.

50 years later Obama is facing a similar situation. Sure, your community/state may be sympathetic to gay marriage, but keep in mind there are huge swaths of this country where homophobia is still rampant. Especially in the African-American community where many of them vote for Obama/Democrats yet attend churches that preach against homosexuality. In fact, homophobia is well known to be an issue among black Americans (see this article "Homophobia: it's a black thing" written by a black columnist of the Tampa Bay Times).

Realistically, given the cultural climate in America, you can't just expect Obama to come out for gay marriage instantly.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #11)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:22 AM

12. Don't use strawman, they burn easily.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #12)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:29 AM

13. So JFK facing the Civil Rights Movement is not comparable w/Obama vs. gay rights?

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Response to alp227 (Reply #13)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:31 AM

14. I was referring to this bullshit straw-dude.

"Realistically, given the cultural climate in America, you can't just expect Obama to come out for gay marriage instantly."

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #14)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:34 AM

15. Why? I know NC Am. 1 is distressing for you, but maybe re-read my thoughts after calming down,

then you'll understand my JFK/Obama analogy.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #15)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:40 AM

16. And maybe you will stop with the patronizing crap and actual read what I wrote.

You do know what a "strawman" is? If not, here...

A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man", and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1][2]

1.Person A has position X.
2.Person B disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. The position Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including: 1.Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position.
2.Quoting an opponent's words out of context i.e. choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see fallacy of quoting out of context).[2]
3.Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[1]
4.Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
5.Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.

3.Person B attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious, because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #16)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:44 AM

17. OK, now I've reconsidered, if Obama can attack Republicans on everything from taxes to Medicare,

why not on gay marriage? That sounds like a puh-retty good idea...so I'll concede my JFK analogy was flawed given how Obama has turned it up against the CONS in recent months.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #17)

Wed May 9, 2012, 08:59 AM

22. Because there are alot of people who dont support it and challenging it now

during an election year is almost tantamount to political suicide because the gop will use it like they have in the past to rally their base to get them out to vote.
It sucks and the people in NC and in other states who voted in favor of such a bigoted pos suck but that doesnt nullify the the political reality of the situation.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #11)

Thu May 10, 2012, 06:38 PM

46. This line gets the 'Jean Dixon Predicts Award'.

 

"Realistically, given the cultural climate in America, you can't just expect Obama to come out for gay marriage instantly" you say less than 24 hours before he does exactly that.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:41 AM

5. Uh huh:

 

Deeds. Not empty rhetoric. That shows us what you really believe in.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:46 AM

6. Maybe President Obama will announce his unequivocal support for gay marriage

at the Democratic National Convention being held in of all places North Carolina. But then again maybe not.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #6)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:51 AM

7. Wouldn't that be just perfect?!

We can hope...

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 02:36 AM

18. My apologies

Last edited Thu May 10, 2012, 09:33 AM - Edit history (1)

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #18)

Wed May 9, 2012, 08:28 AM

19. We won in 2008 too

 

White House and both Houses of Congress. Where did that get us?

Winning doesn't count if the winners still allow the losers to rule.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #18)

Wed May 9, 2012, 08:35 AM

20. You're equating people wanting their civil rights to being

"powdered, puffed, pampered, pooed, pottied, wooed, and flattered"?

I'm sorry, but that's disgusting.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #20)

Wed May 9, 2012, 09:30 AM

24. It sure as hell is.

Unbelievable.

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Response to Puglover (Reply #24)

Wed May 9, 2012, 10:49 AM

28. The jury thinks it's fine and dandy.

This place has certainly declined since placing "community standards" above common decency.

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Response to QC (Reply #28)

Wed May 9, 2012, 11:53 AM

30. The juries always say it is okay

I am confident that David and Earl will not think it is okay.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #20)

Wed May 9, 2012, 09:36 AM

25. Hopefully the member will either edit or self delete this post

as it's now a subject of discussion in META.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #20)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:13 PM

32. +1

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #20)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:15 PM

33. yup

 

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #18)

Wed May 9, 2012, 09:38 AM

26. What a hateful, bigoted stereotyping thing to say.

I'll even bet your damn proud of yourself.

Enjoy your freedoms, one day I will also.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #18)

Wed May 9, 2012, 10:50 AM

29. Well, you win the prize for most offensive post of the day - that's for sure.

You have, in a single sentence, managed to not only insult and denigrate, but also to suggest that certain groups should just shut up and sit down because their equality is irrelevant to WINNING.

Putting it mildly - that is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #18)

Wed May 9, 2012, 11:56 AM

31. Interesting choice of words, Lil Missy...

Last edited Wed May 9, 2012, 03:02 PM - Edit history (2)

Edited to say, I've changed my mind. Lil Missy doesn't owe me an explanation. If she chooses to edit her post, that's on her, but I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think Lil Missy's words were meant to be homophobic. Hurtful, yes. Homophobic, no.

Although I don't agree with Lil Missy's opinion, I do believe that she's certainly entitled to have a viewpoint that differs from mine. However rudely she chooses to make her point is up to her.

If her post should have been hidden, it would have been because of rudeness and not homophobia.

TYY

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #31)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:11 PM

37. She certainly offended me, as a gay person living in North Carolina.

People here are heartbroken. Comparing us to babies is beyond the pale. I consider the post to be unforgivable.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #37)

Wed May 9, 2012, 02:52 PM

39. I agree with you...

I think her post is hurtful and dismissive to all LGBTQs but especially to those in North Carolina. Especially today.

My change of mind has to do with whether or not her words were intended to be homophobic. I don't believe that they were. Hurtful, yes. Homophobic, no.

TYY

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #18)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:54 PM

34. Holy Wow. Just wow.

I hope you really didn't mean to say that and reconsider your post, perhaps deleting it.

And then...consider New Jersey.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #18)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:01 PM

35. Hey, Lil Missy

F.U.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #18)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:10 PM

36. What a filthy thing to say. /nt

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #18)

Wed May 9, 2012, 02:26 PM

38. Pooed? Who the fuck wants to be pooed?

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #18)

Wed May 9, 2012, 08:32 PM

42. It's uncool to insult your allies; they'll never forgive you.

North Carolina was just yesterday...

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 08:52 AM

21. So does the state constitution trump the federal?

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 09:10 AM

23. Fine then

don't vote or vote for someone else so when the insane party of no comes into major offices such as the presidency and they enact a federal law overturning all gay marriages and civil unions please be the last person who will cry me a river - OK

Civil rights for blacks was not voted on by the American people because we all know it would have lost big time. The federal government voted for civil rights for blacks. Same here, many people are afraid of gays because of what many religions are teaching.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 10:14 AM

27. "disappointed"; such harsh language for a presidential candidate

 

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 04:49 PM

41. Allowing states to vote on civil liberties is DISAPPOINTING...nt

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Response to and-justice-for-all (Reply #41)

Wed May 9, 2012, 09:53 PM

44. President Obama should issue an executive order for civil liberties

 

Look at the precincts in NC and how they voted. In the more educated precincts around major universities, they voted in favor of gay marriage in a landslide. In the more rural, backwoods, undereducated parts of NC, they voted against the civil right. We really need the votes of undereducated bigots to count for less. Otherwise, just let President Obama sign an executive order allowing gay marriage across the country and be done with it.

I for one am boycotting NC now.

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Response to BamaFanLee (Reply #44)

Thu May 10, 2012, 07:56 PM

47. He can't issue executive orders where he has no authority.

His power is limited by the Constitution just as Congress is limited.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 09:56 PM

45. smh

who cares what gay people want to do or a pro gay church?! This should have been decided by County and NOT the State. Hell, no one votes anyway. You don't have time to its a pain in the ass living down South. I gotta drive 25 minutes to Wal Mart just for groceries. No ones in Unions so good luck getting time off of work if you're blue collar

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