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Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:01 PM

Cliven Bundy says Rand Paul promised to make Nevada a ‘sovereign state’ if he’s elected president

Source: RawStory/KNPR-FM

offlaw rancher Cliven Bundy said he met with Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) for nearly an hour this week and found he sees eye to eye with the GOP presidential candidate.

Bundy, whose ongoing dispute over grazing rights on federally owned land sparked an armed militia standoff last year with the Bureau of Land Management, said Paul assured him he would grant the rancher’s demands and make Nevada a sovereign state if elected next year to the White House.

“He said, ‘One of your biggest problems is getting Nevada to recognize its sovereignty and to stand up for its sovereignty,” Bundy told KNPR-FM. “He said he would turn over the jurisdiction authority and allow the state of Nevada to act like a sovereign state. He said it would be up to we the people to govern ourselves.”

Bundy, who views often square with the far-right sovereign citizen and posse comitatus movements, has said he would be willing to pay the $1 million he owes for grazing his cattle on public land to Nevada – but not to the federal government, whose authority he does not recognize.

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Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/cliven-bundy-says-rand-paul-promised-to-make-nevada-a-sovereign-state-if-hes-elected-president/

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Reply Cliven Bundy says Rand Paul promised to make Nevada a ‘sovereign state’ if he’s elected president (Original post)
DonViejo Jul 2015 OP
tymorial Jul 2015 #1
craigmatic Jul 2015 #4
Cryptoad Jul 2015 #6
abakan Jul 2015 #16
24601 Jul 2015 #62
brett_jv Jul 2015 #2
SoapBox Jul 2015 #3
corkhead Jul 2015 #5
Nay Jul 2015 #18
onehandle Jul 2015 #7
BlueJazz Jul 2015 #10
jwirr Jul 2015 #25
Iliyah Jul 2015 #55
irisblue Jul 2015 #8
jmowreader Jul 2015 #46
A Simple Game Jul 2015 #9
calimary Jul 2015 #29
Gore1FL Jul 2015 #11
Post removed Jul 2015 #12
irisblue Jul 2015 #13
Post removed Jul 2015 #15
irisblue Jul 2015 #17
Post removed Jul 2015 #19
irisblue Jul 2015 #23
arcane1 Jul 2015 #33
cui bono Jul 2015 #56
Reter Jul 2015 #36
pennylane100 Jul 2015 #24
arcane1 Jul 2015 #32
Chakab Jul 2015 #14
Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #30
KingCharlemagne Jul 2015 #38
alfredo Jul 2015 #48
Blue_Tires Jul 2015 #54
PSPS Jul 2015 #20
DonViejo Jul 2015 #22
PSPS Jul 2015 #41
DonViejo Jul 2015 #42
underthematrix Jul 2015 #21
blm Jul 2015 #26
arcane1 Jul 2015 #27
freshwest Jul 2015 #44
Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #28
arcane1 Jul 2015 #45
BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #64
Paper Roses Jul 2015 #31
Arkana Jul 2015 #34
Historic NY Jul 2015 #35
HoosierCowboy Jul 2015 #40
riversedge Jul 2015 #37
Reter Jul 2015 #39
Ned Flanders Jul 2015 #43
Turbineguy Jul 2015 #47
QED Jul 2015 #49
missingthebigdog Jul 2015 #57
olddots Jul 2015 #50
Blue_Tires Jul 2015 #51
Renew Deal Jul 2015 #52
Fairgo Jul 2015 #58
still_one Jul 2015 #53
Solly Mack Jul 2015 #59
LoisB Jul 2015 #60
marble falls Jul 2015 #61
Cha Jul 2015 #63
Sunlei Jul 2015 #65
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:03 PM

1. Rand Paul may have some crazy ideas

but seriously, I do not buy this for one second.

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Response to tymorial (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:05 PM

4. I don't know. I don't trust either one of them enough for this not to be true.

 

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Response to tymorial (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:15 PM

6. Sounds like it right down Rand's ally

He is a major nut job.

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Response to tymorial (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:49 PM

16. What Bundy forgot

Rand Paul is a politician, and we all know, politicians lie.
I bet Bundy didn't make him, pinky swear.

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Response to tymorial (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 10:58 PM

62. I agree with you. I believe that the Paul family are manipulating a****es; however, they didn't

acquire wealth & power by being stupid. Cliven, on the other hand, seems to be the poster boy for the Stupid International Society.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:04 PM

2. Yeah .... SUUUUUUUURE he'd pay teh $1M ... riiiighhht (n/t)

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:05 PM

3. What a load of shit.

If this loon believes him, well he's stupid.

Or...he's just lying because well, he's stupid.

Either way their both full of shit.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:09 PM

5. Isn't this dumbasses 15 minutes up already?

and Cliven Bundy's too

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Response to corkhead (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:58 PM

18. Really. Why are we giving Bundy any air time at all??? He's a MORON. nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:16 PM

7. He said the same thing to me, but it was about the Confederacy.

Rand Paul told me that he would recreate the country and sell the rest of the U.S. to the highest bidder.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:29 PM

10. That's impossible. He told me I would be coroneted as King of North America.

 

Not that I would really want the job but there ARE free donuts in the morning.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:41 PM

25. LOL

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Response to onehandle (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 07:40 PM

55. LOL

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:19 PM

8. what is a Sovereign State?

aren't all the states in this union equal?.....2 senators, the reps depend on population...serious ?

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Response to irisblue (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 05:22 PM

46. One with no federal government presence

Rand can't actually do this and it's somewhat unlikely he told Mr. Cliven Bundy (is it true "Cliven" is Gaelic for "squatter"?) that he would.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:29 PM

9. Better watch your back Cliven. When Nevada becomes a sovereign state

and all the Federal employees in Nevada lose their jobs they aren't going to be happy.

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:47 PM

29. And the new "sovereign state" will want the money you still owe for letting your cattle graze on

what will then be ITS land.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:32 PM

11. Why would Paul associate himself with a racist freeloader?

Isn't that crowd supporting Trump?

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Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:43 PM

13. a lot too far

really ? kill ? really?

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Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:54 PM

17. brother , killing is too far a statement

back up go away from the computer just and watch the wonderful less awful world for 48 hrs...

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Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:29 PM

23. brother, per TOS crazy talk is a violation

wanting to kill people for political differences is hitting the edge of crazy. Again, my brother, step away, take a break and stop advocating murder, it is wrong. period.

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Response to irisblue (Reply #23)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:00 PM

33. They're playing the "Over-the-top Librul" game

 

The post can be later pointed to as an example of how crazy liberals are.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #33)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 07:47 PM

56. I would bet you are correct.

I think some play the same game when they post pro-corporate stuff. They can point to this site to show how 'liberal' centrists are. I suspect that's why so many centrists on here try to self identify as liberal, trying to change the definition and move the goal post on what is accepted as 'liberal'.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #15)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:11 PM

36. They would probably kill us

 

Conservatives idiots can only do one thing right, fight wars. With that said, you went way over the line.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:40 PM

24. Well it is very hard to be in favor of Genocide.

However, I think that if the red states were able to secede, there would be a natural (and unfortunate) culling of the herd as most red states receive more federal money that they give.

Realistically, secession of red states is never going to happen. What we need is a law that allows states to receive federal dollars similar to the amount they contribute. Also not going to happen, but it is fun thinking about it.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:59 PM

32. Wow, what an ignorant thing to say.

 

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:45 PM

14. Why aren't this asshole Bundy and his flock of militia defenders in Federal prison?

 

There is no "dispute" about grazing fees. He's been grazing his cattle on Federal lands that are maintained by the BLS for decades without paying like every other rancher who grazes his livestock on property that he doesn't own does. The grazing fees that the federal government charges ranchers are significantly lower than what private land owners charge for other parties to graze on their land, so in reality, the federal grazing fees are yet another subsidy for farmers/ranchers.

Bundy is a parasitic freeloader who was stealing from the Federal government and threatened to murder federal officials and law enforcement personnel after the BLS tried to put an end his nonsense.

Yet somehow, according to all of the Conservatives who claim to hate freeloaders, he's a hero, and the people who are protesting police brutality are anti-cop thugs.

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Response to Chakab (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:47 PM

30. They're too well armed to fail

Of course, being too big to fail or jail doesn't keep me from saying Legs Dimon and Pretty Boy Lloyd belong in the Big House.

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Response to Chakab (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:34 PM

38. "BLS" = Bureau of Labor Statistics (which gives us monthly employment numbers). Do you

 

mean instead the "BLM" (Bureau of Land Management)?

Sorry to be pedantic, but just want to make sure I'm up on the latest governmental acronyms.

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Response to Chakab (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 05:51 PM

48. The grazing fees are used to restore land damaged by grazing.

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Response to Chakab (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 07:16 PM

54. They're the wrong complexion for prison

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Response to PSPS (Reply #20)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:18 PM

22. Because it isn't two days old....

it was published today, in Raw Story.

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:57 PM

41. Sorry, but Raw Story just rewrote this old news story from other sources.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #41)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 03:04 PM

42. So? It's still today's news. Few people, if anyone, would be aware of this

if RS hadn't picked it up and published it. Ditto for Huffington Post, Talking Points Memo, Daily Kos, ThinkProgress and, sometimes, the AP and Reuters.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:17 PM

21. So a president Rand Paul would return

Nevada to Native Americans?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:42 PM

26. Well, I'm sure Rand2016 activists will pop in to defend him.

Rand is as much of a fascist as the worst Republican - he just doesn't want his particular base of libertarians to catch on.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:44 PM

27. Worships the constitution, doesn't recognize the government it created

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #27)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 04:07 PM

44. You win the thread.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:44 PM

28. I think Bundy hears what he wants to hear

Say what you want about Senator Paul, but I'd be very surprised if he said anything like that.

OTOH, if he did, he should get out of the race.

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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #28)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 04:08 PM

45. It's a guaranteed debate question now!

 

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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #28)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 06:24 AM

64. He spent an hour with Bundy

He deserves everything he gets. How dumb can a politician be?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:47 PM

31. Good grief. n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:01 PM

34. Holy shit, I can't breathe.

So Rand Paul promised to allow Nevada to nullify all federal laws? Did anyone tell Nevada's elected officials?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:10 PM

35. I think they got a problem called "The Ordinance"....

A second convention to write a state constitution therefore met from July 4–27, 1864. The defeated 1863 constitution was used as the basis for the new document. The requirements of the congressional enabling act were duly incorporated at the beginning of the constitution in a section called "The Ordinance." This included the outlawing of slavery, and the statement that all undistributed public lands would be retained by the federal government and could never be taxed by the state. These provisions would be "irrevocable" without the consent of Congress and of the people of Nevada. The new constitution also included a "paramount allegiance" clause, proclaiming the supremacy of the United States government over the states and that no state had the right to secede, both very much Republican party doctrine, and voluntarily inserted into the document by its makers. The 1864 constitution also espoused democratic principles, popular in the West, with popular elections demanded for many state offices, including the state judiciary. Possible opposition from mine owners was headed off by a provision stating that only the net proceeds of mines could be taxed.


http://www.onlinenevada.org/articles/nevada-statehood

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #35)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:41 PM

40. In any other country

This moron would be doing hard time for the stunt he pulled...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:18 PM

37. Chuckle, not even Rand Paul is that silly

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Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:36 PM

39. Post #12: AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your alert

 


On Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:13 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

would like to see it go one step further
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1135563

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Advocating killing Republicans is nuts, come on. He's also not joking. Look at the thread. He said killing them should be a legal sport.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 03:37 PM

43. Meanwhile the folks at Burning Man are paying close to 5 million in fees this year...

 

...and being required to house BLM staff in "VIP" accomodations.

But when the BLM deals with armed right wingers, they back down, over a million in fees uncollected. IOKIYAR

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 05:24 PM

47. Bundy will vote for anybody

who gives him free shit.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 06:33 PM

49. Will Rand issue a denial?

My guess is he'll sit on the fence on this one. If he denies it, he would lose the sovereign crowd's vote.

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Response to QED (Reply #49)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 08:05 PM

57. Exactly!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 06:41 PM

50. Bundy had a button pushed by Rand Paul

 

Paul looks for a base anywhere he can find it .

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 06:45 PM

51. Where are Paul's cheerleaders NOW?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 06:48 PM

52. Why isn't Bundy in jail?

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #52)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 08:06 PM

58. That should be the only response to any posting about this scofflaw

Anything else validates his position

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 07:11 PM

53. Maybe bundy will get lucky and trump will be the republican nominee, which would fit right into

Buddy's idea of a "wonderful" candidate


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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 08:22 PM

59. LMAO.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 08:54 PM

60. Wonder how Rand plans to accomplish this.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 10:21 PM

61. I'll believe the owing one million dollars thing if he puts the mill into an escrow account.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 03:45 AM

63. Oh yeah? rand paul will promise anything to get in the White House.. just like a lot of candidates

getting it through congress is what's going to trip them up.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 06:58 AM

65. ~80% of Nevada is public land, belongs to all the American people. pay your almost free lease Bundy

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 07:42 PM

66. In my opinion

 

Rand Paul probably pledged to give federal land to Nevada. Though who knows if Nevada even wants the land, since it would then be maintained by Nevada taxpayers alone instead of all US taxpayers.

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