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Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:35 PM

Democratic ex-Va. Sen. Jim Webb announces presidential bid

Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)Former Virginia Sen. Jim Webb announced his campaign for president Thursday.

Webb would become the fifth Democrat to join the primary contest, though in his announcement he did not say specifically that he was seeking the Democratic nomination.

Webb made the announcement on social media, linking to a lengthy letter on his website explaining why he wants to run.

"We need to shake the hold of these shadow elites on our political process," Webb wrote. "Our elected officials need to get back to the basics of good governance and to remember that their principal obligations are to protect our national interests abroad and to ensure a level playing field here at home."

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/02/politics/jim-webb-2016-president-announcement/index.html

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Reply Democratic ex-Va. Sen. Jim Webb announces presidential bid (Original post)
brooklynite Jul 2015 OP
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #1
brooklynite Jul 2015 #3
TBF Jul 2015 #19
Recursion Jul 2015 #59
Cha Jul 2015 #89
rpannier Jul 2015 #103
Cha Jul 2015 #108
liberalmike27 Jul 2015 #104
bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #2
The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #4
KamaAina Jul 2015 #5
pangaia Jul 2015 #56
TwilightGardener Jul 2015 #6
7962 Jul 2015 #45
karynnj Jul 2015 #54
Duppers Jul 2015 #71
countryken Jul 2015 #85
Cha Jul 2015 #90
karynnj Jul 2015 #99
Sunlei Jul 2015 #100
Cha Jul 2015 #102
KamaAina Jul 2015 #7
denvine Jul 2015 #9
KamaAina Jul 2015 #10
Chakab Jul 2015 #17
restorefreedom Jul 2015 #106
3catwoman3 Jul 2015 #28
7962 Jul 2015 #44
Proud Public Servant Jul 2015 #11
onehandle Jul 2015 #8
Robbins Jul 2015 #13
Hekate Jul 2015 #14
Carnage251 Jul 2015 #26
Iliyah Jul 2015 #78
Mass Jul 2015 #12
Beauregard Jul 2015 #23
7962 Jul 2015 #47
candelista Jul 2015 #79
7962 Jul 2015 #83
Cha Jul 2015 #91
Hekate Jul 2015 #15
Robbins Jul 2015 #16
BlueStater Jul 2015 #18
bigwillq Jul 2015 #20
Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #21
MADem Jul 2015 #33
Iliyah Jul 2015 #80
MADem Jul 2015 #84
cui bono Jul 2015 #87
MADem Jul 2015 #88
Cha Jul 2015 #92
MADem Jul 2015 #94
Cha Jul 2015 #95
MADem Jul 2015 #96
Cha Jul 2015 #97
24601 Jul 2015 #63
Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #68
24601 Jul 2015 #70
peacebird Jul 2015 #22
Laser102 Jul 2015 #42
Proud Public Servant Jul 2015 #24
onenote Jul 2015 #25
TwilightGardener Jul 2015 #29
MADem Jul 2015 #35
TwilightGardener Jul 2015 #37
MADem Jul 2015 #39
TwilightGardener Jul 2015 #40
MADem Jul 2015 #41
StevieM Jul 2015 #46
MADem Jul 2015 #66
Mass Jul 2015 #50
peacebird Jul 2015 #51
HFRN Jul 2015 #27
MADem Jul 2015 #30
Gloria Jul 2015 #31
tabasco Jul 2015 #32
Zambero Jul 2015 #101
geek tragedy Jul 2015 #34
7962 Jul 2015 #48
geek tragedy Jul 2015 #49
7962 Jul 2015 #64
Recursion Jul 2015 #73
Iliyah Jul 2015 #81
Recursion Jul 2015 #82
restorefreedom Jul 2015 #107
Nite Owl Jul 2015 #52
summerschild Jul 2015 #36
JudyM Jul 2015 #58
CharlotteVale Jul 2015 #38
msongs Jul 2015 #43
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pangaia Jul 2015 #55
JudyM Jul 2015 #57
YOHABLO Jul 2015 #61
TwilightGardener Jul 2015 #62
7962 Jul 2015 #65
TwilightGardener Jul 2015 #67
Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #74
usregimechange Jul 2015 #60
davidpdx Jul 2015 #69
Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #72
Octafish Jul 2015 #75
TheNutcracker Jul 2015 #76
Kalidurga Jul 2015 #77
cui bono Jul 2015 #86
silvershadow Jul 2015 #93
RoccoR5955 Jul 2015 #98
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:38 PM

1. Must be Bernie's birthday.

Since Webb is obviously to the right of Clinton, and if he draws any voters at all, will draw them from her.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:40 PM

3. Polling has already assumed Webb was a candidate...

...I don't think you're likely to see a shift.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:06 PM

19. Webb & Biden if he runs -

just take votes away from Hillary. Go Bernie!

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:37 PM

59. I bet he pulls more voters from Sanders than Clinton

He speaks to the aggrieved white working class.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #59)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 03:44 AM

89. Oh oh.. he certainly does.. Jim Webb: Democrats Need "White, Working People," Can't Rely On Black

Votes After Obama."

Mr. NFTG @Kennymack1971 Follow

Uh huh: "Jim Webb: Democrats Need "White, Working People," Can't Rely On Black Votes After Obama http://ln.is/breakingnewsusa.com/ivcEi … via @breakingnewsusa

5:02 AM - 1 Feb 2015

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Yeah, Webb .. wouldn't want to be the person that the Black community would vote for, too.

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Response to Cha (Reply #89)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 05:59 AM

103. What a bizarre statement

I don't disagree that it would be nice if the Democratic nominees at all levels received more white, working class votes. I can't figure out why so many vote Republican.
But, the rest of that statement is just baffling.
'Can't rely on black votes after Obama'?
The Democratic Party has relied on minority and disenfranchised voters for over sixty years.
What world is Webb living in?
Like to hear him explain that statement

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Response to rpannier (Reply #103)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 05:31 PM

108. Exactly.. the Black Community has been voting Democractic longer before President Obama came along.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 12:53 PM

104. Not Sure

Why would any Democrat vote for either Republican Lincoln Chaffee, or Webb, in the primary. I would agree, however, that both will probably attract voters who might have chosen Hillary, with her "New Democrat" stances on things, shipping jobs abroad with TPP and her general support of trade agreements that hurt American workers, her pro warring stances, her generally corporate outlook on most things.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:38 PM

2. Talk About

uninspiring candidates

*YAWN*

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:40 PM

5. And a nation rejoices!

 

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:58 PM

56. :>))))))))

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:41 PM

6. Good to have someone who served in the military step up. He's got an interesting background.

We'll see where this goes.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:45 PM

45. Yes, he does. I think he's a good guy.

 

I also think most of his support would come from otherwise-Hillary voters.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:56 PM

54. yeah as a swift boater and always a vote in guestion

In the Senate. I would happily vote for Clinton over him if they were the only two choices.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #54)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:14 AM

71. This Virginian agrees with you.

Webb was never a progressive Democratic Senator.

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Response to Duppers (Reply #71)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 03:04 PM

85. but I appreciate him anyway

He did his part to oust George 'Macaca' Allen. I thank him for that, but he'd still be my 6th choice after Bernie, O'Malley, Hillary, Biden, and Chaffee. Webb is too much of a blue dog for me.

Just keep the Democratic race clean and respectful, and I'm okay with it.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #54)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 03:51 AM

90. Webb was a "swiftboater" against then Sen Kerry?!

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Response to Cha (Reply #90)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 08:55 AM

99. he was not one of the sbvt, but he wrote an anti Kerry

Oped after Kerry was the de facto nominee. He attacked JK BOTH on comments in 1972 that the WH knew the war was not winnable and on his 1990s work for reconciliation with Vietnam. For 30 years, he refused to haake hands with JK. JK in spite of this greatly helped him in 2006 even in the primary because he saw Webb as the best chance to get the seat.

Webb remained angry about Vietnam and often brought it up in the Senate and even on the SFRC. Beyond agreeing with JK, to me Webb's inability to get past what was a difference of opinion and treating JK as he did is troubling.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #99)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 09:03 AM

100. That is troubling information, new to me. Has he shown respect & support to our current SOS?

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Response to karynnj (Reply #99)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 09:10 PM

102. thank you for that, karynnj. It must kill Webb that SOS Kerry is doing so well.

I don't like Webb.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:41 PM

7. "Webb would become the fifth Democrat to join the primary contest"

 

I've got him, Hillary, Bernie, and O'Malley. Who's the fifth?

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:45 PM

9. Lincoln Chafee, I believe.

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Response to denvine (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:46 PM

10. Oh, right. I plumb forgot about him.

 

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:56 PM

17. Nobody should hold anything against you for doing so.

 

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Response to Chakab (Reply #17)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 01:22 PM

106. he is remarkably forgettable. n/t

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:50 PM

28. You are probably not...

...the only one.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:44 PM

44. So has everybody else!

 

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:46 PM

11. Chafee (nt)

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:41 PM

8. More voices.

Ultimately endorsing Hillary.

Good news.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:47 PM

13. no

he will eventully endorse Bernie when he wins nomination.Webb and chafee are going to hit her on iraq.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:39 PM

26. +1

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Response to onehandle (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 09:26 AM

78. Same here.

If and when VP Biden enters the race he will bring in some humor, he generally has a genuine lovable personality.

As to Sen. Webb, he brings in the more conservative wing of the party. One thing about the Democratic Party, we are colorful. LOL

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:46 PM

12. Running on Obama is a bad leader, I guess.


http://www.webb2016.com/jim-webb-announces-candidacy-for-president/

We need a President who understands leadership, who has a proven record of actual accomplishments, who can bring about bipartisan solutions, who can bring people from both sides to the table to get things done. And that leader needs to gather the great minds of our society and bring them into a new Administration and give them direction and ask them to help us solve the monumental challenges that face us.
What should you ask for in your next President?
First, there is no greater responsibility for our President than the vital role of Commander in Chief.
...

I would not have been the President who used military force in Libya during the Arab Spring. ... The attack in Benghazi was inevitable in some form or another, as was the continuing chaos and the dissemination of large numbers of weapons from Qaddafi’s armories to terrorist units throughout the region.
And today I would not be the President to sign an executive order establishing a long-tem relationship with Iran if it accepts Iran’s acquisition of nuclear weapons. This Administration and those in Congress should be looking very hard at the actual terms of this agreement, which we on the outside cannot yet see or evaluate. They should also be questioning whether it is appropriate for such an important agreement to be signed without the specific, prior approval of the Congress
...
We will work with our NATO allies to restore stability in Europe, and with our friends in the Middle East, particularly Israel, our most stable partner and friend in the region, to reduce the cycle of violence and turmoil in that part of the world.
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Response to Mass (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:23 PM

23. Webb: "We need a President who can bring about bipartisan solutions"

 

When I see the word "bipartisan," it makes me want to reach for my gun. Endorsing bipartisanship is giving up the struggle in advance.

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Response to Beauregard (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:48 PM

47. But that sounds exactly like what those on the right say all the time

 

Theres really no difference in "bipartisan" and "negotiation". You cant get everything you want 100% of the time. Its like wanting a dollar an hr raise and refusing to accept anything lower than that. You end up with nothing

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Response to 7962 (Reply #47)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 09:30 AM

79. People on the right also say "Good morning."

 

Cut the innuendo. It's creepy.

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Response to candelista (Reply #79)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 10:26 AM

83. yeah thats a GREAT analogy. Sheesh.

 

You go on thinking you can get your way 100% of the time without any compromise. Thats living in a dream world. And yes, thats EXACTLY what the Tea Party people preach constantly. "No compromise!!!"
Live by that mantra and you end up with NOTHING. Jim Webb isnt the first one to talk about bipartisanship, Pres Obama has talked about it constantly.

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Response to Mass (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 03:55 AM

91. OH fuck him.. good luck running away from the Obama coalition, Webb..

Mr. NFTG @Kennymack1971 Follow

Uh huh: "Jim Webb: Democrats Need "White, Working People," Can't Rely On Black Votes After Obama http://ln.is/breakingnewsusa.com/ivcEi … via @breakingnewsusa

5:02 AM - 1 Feb 2015

16 Retweets 2 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/02/01/a-tweet-or-two-225/

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:54 PM

15. He'll be an interesting voice to add to the debates, and as former Secretary of the Navy....

... will no doubt have words for our former Secretary of State. He's also Southern, so I am interested to what he has to say about that broad subject.

Good.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:56 PM

16. We now have the 2016 dem field

Inless Biden decides to get in.And i think he won't.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:58 PM

18. Why?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:07 PM

20. Cool.

 

I welcome Mr. Webb into the field.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:12 PM

21. Now there is a deluded soul

 

Isn't he pro-Confederate flag and anti-Affirmative Action?

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #21)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:56 PM

33. Yes, he's on the "HERITAGE" side of things.

I wonder if they've polled all his wives, to see how they feel about those matters?

He'll probably pull the conversation to the right!

Oh well...it'll make the primaries interesting.

I will say one thing about Webb--I disagree with him on some things quite vehemently, but he is NOT STUPID. He has a quick mind, and he's always thinking. Some of the shit he thinks about (women's issues, that dumb ass racist flag) are dead WRONG, but his arguments are articulate in their horse-shittery!

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Response to MADem (Reply #33)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 09:31 AM

80. And he really do "dislike" W.

Hubby read Sen. Webb's book. Marine's!

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #80)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:09 PM

84. He most definitely is not wrong about EVERYTHING, I will grant you that...

It's just that some of the things he's wrong about kick him down the list for me.


Like I said, if he mushed through to the general, I'd hold my nose and vote for him. It would be a reluctant vote but I'd do it nonetheless. The worst Democrat is better than the best Republican, after all!

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Response to MADem (Reply #33)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 05:57 PM

87. Really? Wow.

I haven't followed him closely, but I remember when he took the seat from "macaca" and he was everyone's hero at the time for that. Interesting about the flag, what's his problem with women's issues?

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Response to cui bono (Reply #87)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 06:15 PM

88. He was the better candidate in the Macaca mess. Not best, but what choice did we have?

As I always say, the worst Dem is better than the best Republican.

He is a Civil War enthusiast, and that might color (pardon the expression) his "Heritage" POV. That said, it is an insensitive POV and he is unlikely to adjust it, because he has Civil War relatives and his "heritage" is more important than the offense of millions of others.

He has a shit reputation amongst people who support women in the Armed Services. He tried like hell to block admission of women to the Naval Academy, was against lifting of combat exclusion, and went out of his way to devalue, dismiss and denigrate women in uniform for the entire time he was associated with DOD (not just as SECNAV). I will tell you that virtually every single woman in uniform--and plenty of male allies--thought the guy was, to put it kindly and in as mild a term as I can come up with, a "fucking asshole." When he resigned as SECNAV, there were more than a few people who said "Don't let the door hit ya, ya bastard" -- notwithstanding some good ideas he had with regard to spending and deployment issues.

He was "set upon" in no uncertain terms by a group of 0-6 women from all branches of service at a senior female leadership get-together in DC many years back, and got his ass handed to him so badly he stopped taking questions. I received feedback from officers who were there who said it was nothing short of a donnybrook! He definitely left with a piece of their minds, and a piece of his ass missing--though I don't think he was moved to change his stances re: women, which were neanderthal on a good day.

He's just not terribly "progressive" when it comes to things he's not, I suspect (he's not a person of color, he's not a female, he's not poor, etc.). Still, he's better than any Republican. This is why I say if he made it to the general, I would painfully, reluctantly vote for him.

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Response to MADem (Reply #33)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 03:58 AM

92. I don't like him. Seems he's running away from Obama so .. whatever!

Mr. NFTG @Kennymack1971 Follow

Uh huh: "Jim Webb: Democrats Need "White, Working People," Can't Rely On Black Votes After Obama http://ln.is/breakingnewsusa.com/ivcEi … via @breakingnewsusa

5:02 AM - 1 Feb 2015

16 Retweets 2 favorites

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Response to Cha (Reply #92)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 05:43 AM

94. Yep...there's a dogwhistle element going on there, it does seem....

There's a shade of an insult in that comment and I have to say it rubbed me the wrong way....


‘I think they could do better with white, working people and I think this last election showed that,’ Webb said, referencing the 2014 midterms where Republicans took control of the Senate and added more power in the House. ‘The Democratic Party could do very well to return to its Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Andrew Jackson roots where the focus of the party was making sure that all people who lack a voice in the corridors of power could have one through the elected represented.'”

Webb went on to say, “You are not going to have a situation again where you have 96% of the African American vote turning out for one presidential candidate.”

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Response to MADem (Reply #94)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 06:32 AM

95. Yeah, Webb .. wouldn't want to be the person that the Black community would vote for, too.

Why not be inclusive?

I think a big part of losing the Senate in 2014 were candidates running away from President Obama. The Dem candidate who wins the nom is going to want the President to campaign for them and with them, imo.. ie.. the Obama Coalition.

Something Webb evidently hasn't thought of since he seems to be so busy running away from him.

“You are not going to have a situation again where you have 96% of the African American vote turning out for one presidential candidate.” What makes him so bloody sure?

The President is more than about just being Black.. I don't care what ugly epithets people like Cornel West have to hurl.

Yeah, big dog whistle.. thanks for more of JW's quote, MADem

I'm liking this from Hillary..

Hillary: We must defend ObamaCare

riversedge http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1131245


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Response to Cha (Reply #95)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 06:47 AM

96. If a candidate espouses views that are in consonance with 96 % of the Black, or Latino, or

fill-in-your-favorite-ethnic-designation, then they're going to EARN (as opposed to "win," like you do on Wheel of Fortune) 96% of that bloc's vote.

I really do dislike the way he approaches issues--the rather dire "You can't count on the Black man, got to have those 'reliable' whites to close the deal" meme just doesn't sit too well with me.

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Response to MADem (Reply #96)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 06:53 AM

97. Me neither.. and, I think Hillary is out there earning her votes, all inclusive.

"You can't count on the Black man, got to have those 'reliable' whites to close the deal" meme just doesn't sit too well with me."

Rather dumb, imo.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #21)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:38 PM

63. I believe he said it was a complex issue when the union had slave-owning officers from States like

Maryland & Missouri and that some Confederate soldiers were abolitionists. His focus was on historical use of the flag.

"Webb argued that the U.S. should preserve every part of its history, even the uncomfortable ones."

“The Confederate Battle Flag has wrongly been used for racist and other purposes in recent decades,” Webb said. “It should not be used in any way as a political symbol that divides us.”

“This is a time for us to come together, and to recognize once more that our complex multicultural society is founded on the principle of mutual respect,” he said.

Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/246009-webb-defends-use-of-confederate-flag

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Response to 24601 (Reply #63)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:57 PM

68. Neo-Confedrate tommyrot

 

Museums are fine. Even Civil War battlefields. But not on state flags or on state legislatures.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #68)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:07 PM

70. I believe Webb's positions is to put them in museums. n/t

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:23 PM

22. Disliked him when he was my Senator, don't think I trust him anywhere near the presidency.

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Response to peacebird (Reply #22)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:05 PM

42. I agree with you. At first I liked him. Then I listened to him.

Not a good Democrat. Opposite of Bernie in a lot of ways.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:32 PM

24. Wow! A confederate flag defender, friend of Big Coal, AND

an ex-Reagan official? Where do I sign up?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:33 PM

25. Running for a shot at being the VP choice imo

Don't think it'll happen, though.

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Response to onenote (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:52 PM

29. I doubt it. Hillary Clinton wouldn't pick a fellow oldster, first off, and secondly he is not the

kind of guy who would play second fiddle well.

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Response to onenote (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:57 PM

35. Naaah--SECDEF. And that's a bad idea, too! nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #35)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:06 PM

37. I doubt that as well. Nobody would go through this for a cabinet position.

The cabinet at most is a consolation prize/peace offering post-election. I think he's serious, and probably has been planning this for a while.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #37)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:29 PM

39. Are you kidding? Of course they would.

Biden wanted SECSTATE. So did Richardson. Kerry ALWAYS wanted it.

A few presidential candidates have gone on to be SECSTATE (Clinton and Kerry, most notably) and six SECSTATES have later gone on to become POTUS (Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, JQ Adams, Buchanan, Van Buren)

Hell, they'll go through it for a good ambassadorship (London, Rome, Paris--the jewels in the crown, though you need to raise LOTS of PAC money to get one of those, usually). Adlai Stevenson, who ran for POTUS multiple times, ended up getting the UN ambassadorship under JFK.

GH Bush parlayed being a UN ambassador and the "envoy" to China before we had a formal ambassador there into qualification for the VP job--these jobs are stepping stones, and an easy way to shortcut your way into them is to run for office.

It's all about pumping up the national profile. Carly Fiorina doesn't really think she can win--she just wants to get in on the game.

The rarefied air is all good.

The cabinet is a "close to the throne" job that can be monetized after the term is up, and the scrutiny is far less intensive. There's clout, power, perks, and a fair amount of attention, but it's not unrelenting. It's a good gig, and it pays well.

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Response to MADem (Reply #39)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:44 PM

40. I think all the people you mentioned were/are hoping to be President. And if not, then VP.

Fiorina wants VP, that's obvious. I seriously doubt anyone would put themselves through the horrific process of running for President for a cabinet position. It's not even that close to the throne, considering that Obama pretty much ignores his cabinet. Benny Rhodes and Valerie Jarret and McDonough run everything.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #40)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:55 PM

41. I think Fiorina would gladly take any cabinet gig, as would most of the GOP Klown Kar.

Obama won't BE President when the next cabinet is seated--the paradigm will shift yet again.

Every POTUS uses their staff differently. Dumbya delegated like hell and let his cabinet do all the heavy lifting day-to-day. One can't use today's working relationships to predict future ones--every President does it their own way. Some are delegators, others, micro-managers.

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Response to MADem (Reply #39)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:47 PM

46. I think the main reason why George HW Bush got the VP nod is because he parlayed

the GOP chairmanship into the UN Ambassadorship. Those two positions made him seem like a credible candidate for president, which enabled him to come in second to Reagan in the 1980 primaries. Being GOP Chairman especially helped him organize in Iowa, which enabled him to win the caucuses in 1980, thereby establishing himself as the chief alternative to Reagan.

At the Convention, Reagan briefly contemplated a bizarre plan to make Gerald Ford the VP. When that proved unworkable, he turned to the runner-up from the primaries, George HW Bush.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #46)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:37 PM

66. Sure, I won't argue that....and he parlayed his long-term intelligence

associations into that envoy gig. His wife was able to amass one of the biggest rolodexes (she called it her "Christmas card list" in the history of electoral politics--that was a MASSIVE donor list, before the days when those things were computerized, too. Not only were his associated positions in service to government useful but that list was incredibly useful too (and he added to it, 'big time' when he was RNC chair)--he could go to the well with those names, and parlay his moneyraising influence into political influence, given his background.

Gerald Ford wanted to be "co-president" with Reagan, and Reagan still had enough in the way of marbles to tell him where he could stuff that notion. Apparently Ford was somewhat insistent, and Reagan was having none of it. It would have been absurd--no one steps BACKWARD from the White House, even if one gets there without a single vote. The only options post-WH are in non-elective capacity, like the Supreme Court (Taft). For awhile there, there was talk about Bill Clinton running the UN (which would have been a break with custom/tradition, as Security Council countries don't put up candidates for that gig) -- it got a bit of buzz but in the end it went nowhere.

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Response to onenote (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:03 PM

50. No. He thinks he is a leader (and the only one in the bunch)

read his campaign announcement.

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Response to Mass (Reply #50)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:06 PM

51. He is deluded. Defender of confederate flag..... Repuke who ran as Dem and voted with R whenever it

mattered

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:47 PM

27. he ran against Harris Miller, worst H-1b lobbyist ever

 

and pointed out Miller for what he was, in the primary

then, after Webb won, last he ever mentioned the issue

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:53 PM

30. He's at the bottom of my list!

If he gets the nomination, I will hold my nose and vote for him, but I do not care for his stances on a number of issues.

The worst Democrat is better than the best Republican, but he only gets a leg up because he was smart enough to jump ship from the GOP.

He also bores easily--couldn't handle more than one term in the Senate--do we need someone who has walked out on more than one job (SECNAV) in the Leader of the Free World seat?

His personal life is RIPE for excoriation, too--that should not matter...but it DOES.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:54 PM

31. I don't like Webb at all!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:54 PM

32. Good

 

Competition is a good thing.

Webb's a good man.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #32)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 12:32 PM

101. The polar opposite of John McCain

As far as military intervention goes. A centrist on economic issues however.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:56 PM

34. Jim Webb: the guy who'll make Hillary look liberal

 

while eating into Bernie's populist support, or at least trying too.

Blech.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #34)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:51 PM

48. I think the opposite. nt

 

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Response to 7962 (Reply #48)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:00 PM

49. I don't think Captain Confederate is gonna eat into Hilllary's

 

coalition of GLBT, African-American, Jewish, and Latino voters.

Call it a hunch.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #49)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:49 PM

64. So you think his supporters would be more in line with Sanders?

 

I just dont see it. But hey, who knows?

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Response to 7962 (Reply #64)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 07:00 AM

73. Yes; white working class FDR Democrats

Webb is already punching an economic fairness message.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #73)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 09:40 AM

81. Agreed. He's the conservative of the bunch right now, and a

Military background to boot. At this point in time I do see HRC's numbers remaining to the same tho.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #81)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 10:01 AM

82. Oh I'm sure he'll peel off some support from HRC

particularly the hawks. It's just an older and whiter coalition he's aiming for than a Democrat has for a while.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #82)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 01:27 PM

107. as distateful as this is

i also think webb could draw from centrist/conservative dems and indys who will not want to vote for a woman president.

i am not a hrc fan, but i don't think dems can ignore that there are still "i will never vote for a woman" types. and they may not all be in the gop.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #34)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:11 PM

52. So true lol

Only thing in common with Bernie is he is anti war otherwise he is mostly a Republican.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:05 PM

36. This bozo is a

Ronald Reagan fan.

I heard a 20 minute interview. He spent 15 of them praising Reagan. It was disgusting.

We DON'T need this guy.

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Response to summerschild (Reply #36)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:57 PM

58. Yeah we don't have to move that far right to capture the independent voters. Nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:11 PM

38. Yuck. I live in VA. I'll say one thing for him. He makes

Hillary Clinton look a lot more appealing.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:39 PM

43. why is webb reading jeb's speech lol nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:14 PM

53. This guy isn't going far.

I'll read the letter because I can't imagine why in the world he is running.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:57 PM

55. He says with a straight face..

""Our elected officials need to get back to the basics of good governance and to remember that their principal obligations are to protect our national interests abroad and to ensure a level playing field here at home."


Blah, blah blah....

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Response to pangaia (Reply #55)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:54 PM

57. I think that's the only face he has.

But seriously, his campaign was part of our GOTV effort and I never felt he contributed much, just dipped in to the Senate to get some street cred.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #55)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:34 PM

61. "remember that their principal obligations are to protect our national interests abroad "

That's code for increasing military expenditures and boots on the the ground. He's way too hawkish. I would think the principle obligation is to the quality of life for the citizens of the U.S. He's too right of center for my taste.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #61)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:57 PM

62. I think he'll be less hawkish than Clinton, actually.

He was not/is not a member of the neocon tribe.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #62)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:51 PM

65. Something I dont think many people consider;

 

Hillary would be the first woman president. I think she would have more of a hair trigger than anyone else because she'd be eager to show the world that even though she's a woman, she's not to be messed with.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #65)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:42 PM

67. Yes--by contrast, Webb has nothing to prove in that regard and no demonstrated eagerness

to take out another regime somewhere. Unlike Madame "We Came We Saw He Died".

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Response to pangaia (Reply #55)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 08:01 AM

74. They might talk about "level playing fields",

but they usually fail to mention that the goalposts are constantly being moved.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:39 PM

60. Hillary VP

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:58 PM

69. I respect Webb and welcome him to the race, but wouldn't support him

He's far too conservative for my taste, probably closer to Chafee. Webb and Chafee are going to have a hard time getting support to the right of Clinton.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 03:45 AM

72. To paraphrase Dick Dastardly,

"Meh, meh, and double meh!"

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 09:01 AM

75. Webb would make an excellent president.

Guy's got integrity, compassion, leadership, and smarts.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 09:15 AM

76. They're all piling on to help Hillary to dilute Bernie's numbers. I don't trust Webb after the death

 

of his staffer.

There were lots of questions, with no answers. The 'suicide' was weirder than weird. Not the usual way....and it was all 'quiet'.

Besides, he's to hawkish for me, like Hillary and Biden.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=death+of+Senator+Webb%27s+staffer

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 09:22 AM

77. I am really worried about all 5 votes this guy is going to get instead of a real progressive...

Seriously in a week we are going to forget he is even a candidate.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 05:51 PM

86. "he did not say specifically that he was seeking the Democratic nomination"

That's kind of weird...

I was wondering if any more Dems were going to run, still not sure I guess.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 04:19 AM

93. Oh. nt

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 08:54 AM

98. Just what we need...

 

Another third way corporatist!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 01:05 PM

105. I haven't been this excited since Sherwin-Williams announced a new paint color.

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