4 Injured in Accidental Gunfire at Waldorf-Astoria Wedding Reception

[alboe]

Source: ABC News

A guest at a wedding reception at New York City's swanky Waldorf-Astoria hotel was playing with a gun when it accidentally went off this evening, leaving as many as five people injured, officials said.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/injured-accidental-gunfire-waldorf-astoria-wedding-reception/story?id=31750548

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Thoughts are with those injured.

[alboe]

6. Thank you for the welcome!

Post 100

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Shotgun wedding?

Seriously, though, who brings a gun to a wedding reception at the Waldorf Astoria?

[Scarsdale]

23. Any politicians there?

If so, maybe NOW they will get serious about gun control.

[onehandle]

3. I accidentally set off a SCUD missile at a bris earlier today.

How embarrassing for me and my precious Second Amendment.

[rocktivity]

5. For shame -- the baby didn't have ENOUGH problems?

rocktivity

[brer cat]

9. Couldn't you keep your SCUD in your waistband where it belonged?

I am almost too embarrassed to be one the same forum. Jeeze.

[Fairgo]

11. Thanks for the snicker

Scud missile and Bris, genius!

[WilliamPitt]

21. Please turn off the internet. We're done here.

That was simply spectacular.

[rocktivity]

4. Did the bride decide to make a break for it

or the groom?


rocktivity

[groundloop]

7. Why the hell can't these morons leave their deadly toys at home ?!?!?

[freshwest]

13. The town was swarming with Democrats, didn't you hear? Of course they needed protection! n/t

[PSPS]

8. "Playing with gun" + "accidentally went off" = "five people injured?" Someone's hiding something.

[groundloop]

12. Actually 4 injured.... one person grazed and 3 hit by shrapnel and shattered marble

"The three other injured people were struck in their legs by either ballistic shrapnel or flying splinters of marble."

Sounds like everyone will be ok, thankfully. Hopefully the idiot with the gun gets some jail time to think about what a moron he is.

[WilliamPitt]

22. You always like to hear "ballistic shrapnel" and "wedding" in the same story.

Oy.

[Historic NY]

10. Must be some family....

that ones needs a gun at a swanky hotel wedding.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/gunfire-erupts-manhattan-waldorf-astoria-hotel-officia-article-1.2257437

http://nypost.com/2015/06/13/accidental-shooting-in-lobby-of-waldorf-astoria-hotel/

post has a picture of the moron.

[sarisataka]

14. Vladimir Gotlibovsky

Russian mafia?

[freshwest]

15. From the NYP link:

...A gun allegedly belonging to Vladimir Gotlibovsky, 42, discharged in his pocket. The bullet blasted a gaping hole with burnt edges in his pants before the gun fell to the ground.

Gotlibovsky was unscathed, but the slug ricochetted and grazed the head of Maya Rafailovich, 55.

She was wheeled out of the hotel on a gurney, shoeless and with orange straps criss-crossing her little black cocktail dress. A white bandage covered her forehead...

Still can't figure out the orange 'X's on her leg... Or dress... Is this some new style of clothes, or what the EMTs stuck on her?

Looks like no one was seriously hurt. I don't keep up with gun laws. But I guess carrying guns around is legal in NYC now.

[alboe]

16. Anyone googling to see who this family is?

[freshwest]

17. No, what did you find? n/t

[alboe]

18. Not a ton, but...

I found this court case in NY against a man with the same name
http://decisions.courts.state.ny.us/10jd/nassau/decisions/index/index_new/driscoll/2012aug/000891-12.pdf

and I found someone in NY with the same last name that works in the dental field.

[Renew Deal]

26. Still not legal

There is mandatory prison time. Check out the Plaxico Buress case.

[cynzke]

19. One Minute...

your attending a wedding, next a funeral. Guess wearing "black" is appropriate.

[OldRedneck]

20. Let the snark begin!!!!

Here he is: hole blown in the leg of his trousers; white guy being arrested by a black cop; let the snark begin!!

[ileus]

29. Another IWB glocker I bet....should have carried a shield with safety.

And also forget that crappy IWB junk, OWB or go home.

With OWB you don't have to go around pulling, yanking, tugging, pushing, trying to get the pistol in a comfortable position all the time.

[romanic]

24. What do you need guns at a wedding for?

How stupid. :/

[Renew Deal]

27. People need guns so they can kill other people

Accidentally or on purpose

[Sancho]

25. This is a banner week for posting a reform suggestion! See # 8 and #10

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot or killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

[SheilaT]

30. Those regulations are so totally sensible

that of course none of them will ever be enacted.

Personally, I favor total confiscation, and isn't it genuinely sad that neither your regulations nor my confiscation is ever going to come about?

Okay, I know confiscation isn't very popular, but sensible regulations?

[ileus]

28. Was he/she playing with an NFA firearm???

Odd story that's for sure.

[SwankyXomb]

31. No such thing as "accidental gunfire"

Guns fire when the trigger is pulled. This is negligence at best.