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Omaha Steve

(99,503 posts)
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:14 AM Jun 2015

CSI Rembrandt: Museum sleuths show painting is a Rembrandt

Last edited Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:50 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: AP

By MIKE CORDER

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — After a CSI-style investigation and restoration spanning eight years, the Mauritshuis museum in The Hague has declared that one of its star paintings really is by Dutch master Rembrandt van Rijn.

The announcement should end years of is-it-or-isn't-it debate about whether "Saul and David" was a real Rembrandt.

Researchers used advanced X-ray techniques to peer through several coats of paint that had been applied during previous restorations and establish that the original pigments were the same as those Rembrandt used in the 17th century. Paint sampling showed that the primer used was typical of Rembrandt's studio in the 1650s and 1660s.

For decades, there was no question. A former director of the museum in The Hague, Abraham Bredius, bought the painting more than a century ago, but in the late 1960s Rembrandt expert Horst Gerson cast doubt on who actually painted the Biblical scene of King Saul using a curtain to dab a tear from his eye while David, kneeling below the king, plucks the strings of a harp.

FULL story at link.



This photo provided Tuesday, June 9, 2015 by Mauritshuis shows Rembrandt's "Saul and David" after restororation. After a CSI-style investigation, the Mauritshuis museum has declared on Tuesday that one of the stars of its collection really is by Dutch master Rembrandt van Rijn. Researchers used advanced X-Ray techniques to peer through several coats of paint that had been applied during previous restorations of "Saul and David" and establish that the original pigments were the same as those Rembrandt used in the 17th Century. (Margareta Svensson/Mauritshuis via AP)

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/24af1fbc8219489f8d7fa88cffa3ec16/csi-rembrandt-museum-sleuths-show-painting-rembrandt



Also see these similar DU stories from last April: Joslyn Art Museum discovers that it had Rembrandt original in storage: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014773408

REMBRANDT REBORN (goes on view tomorrow Monday 5-5-14): http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024907270


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CTyankee

(63,892 posts)
1. Oh, Steve this is wonderful!
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:43 AM
Jun 2015

I was in the Mauritshaus back in 2011 but do not recall this art question. I'm glad we've got another real Rembrandt in our world! I love the Joslyn's also. Both are so beautiful.

Thank you for sharing this with us!

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
3. Agree. It is obvioulsy the real thing.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 01:57 PM
Jun 2015

On the other hand, I have seen a few that were just as obviously "school of" in some other museums.

appalachiablue

(41,103 posts)
4. Article doesn't say why the Rembrandt expert in the 60s doubted who painted it.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 02:26 PM
Jun 2015

Wonder why- the materials, style, technique or subject matter? From the tech work done to verify the age, esp. the paints I figure the materials might have been in question. Many famous artists works were copied honestly, others made fakes to sell. Even when it's the 'school of' and still close, experts often attribute and label a work to both the primary artist AND the school. Interesting. In any case it's a beautiful and moving painting.

appalachiablue

(41,103 posts)
6. That's right, not for a while. By the 1970s they used x-rays to see anything below
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 03:55 PM
Jun 2015

the surface like prior sketches and arrangements which were common. For example, examination of the large Rose Period masterpiece by Picasso, 'The Family of Saltimbanques', 1905 at NGA revealed several different compositions with similar figures beneath the final version. But dating technology for paints and canvas hasn't come along until later; I need to look into that.


CTyankee

(63,892 posts)
7. I love reading books about art forgers...fascinating history...
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:19 PM
Jun 2015

Hans van Meergeren was a famous one...quite a story, that...

appalachiablue

(41,103 posts)
8. It is very interesting and has gone on for a long time. I'll try to look into Hans, thanks.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:27 PM
Jun 2015

I never got to Amsterdam, my sister and mom who are both artists loved it, same for Venice. Hope to see them some day. PBS ran some Rick Steves programs recently, the one on A. was lovely. I know you've been. Someday...

CTyankee

(63,892 posts)
9. I didn't like Venice...too crowded and I'm crowd averse...now Florence is a different story...
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:39 PM
Jun 2015

what a city...someone once observed that 80% of the greatest masterpieces of western art is in Florence and I believe it. I've even developed a little guide on some of the great stuff that you can see while visiting parts of the city where the most famous ones are...just steps away are sites where you can see what a lot of tourists miss...and no crowds and long lines...

appalachiablue

(41,103 posts)
10. Florence I loved, the art, architecture and charms of the old city. Cuisine was great too.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:46 PM
Jun 2015

Venice is terribly affected by sea level rise, about 50% of occupants have left I was stunned to learn. Still, seeing the Piazza San Marco once would be great, but off season when less crowded. Rome, I'm not sure if I'd go again, maybe fall or spring. Talk about summer crowds-

CTyankee

(63,892 posts)
11. If you are interested, there is a tour offered by Road Scholar that takes you on the
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 05:01 PM
Jun 2015

Piero della Francesca Trail http://www.roadscholar.org/n/program/summary.aspx?id=1-5KQM1W&MC=

Those little hill towns in Tuscany are really magical...the bells go all the time at half past and on the hour. Anghiari has some of the steepest streets I've ever seen...lots of cobblestones...sometimes I thought I had wakened to a Tuscan version of Brigadoon...so much of the 15th century in them...Piero's frescoes are a wonder...

appalachiablue

(41,103 posts)
12. A few years ago I checked out Road Scholar's catalogue of wonderful trips, but haven't
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 10:15 AM
Jun 2015

been able to travel much lately because of a crazy work schedule. I've only seen Florence but art colleagues/friends have taken Tuscan trips to small villages and towns for the art of Piero and others. One woman started walking several months in advance to get in shape! b/c she knew how much activity would be involved.

Another friend who is with SAM, the Seattle Art Museum attended an extended program at Bernard Berenson's Villa I Tatti which operates the Harvard Center for Renaissance Studies. During her stay of 3-4 weeks they went around to many of the small towns to see the art and she loved it. Said it was a real workout but worth it.

Villa I Tatti, Florence



CTyankee

(63,892 posts)
13. I remember reading about that villa...fascinating history...
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 01:10 PM
Jun 2015

another place I've been researching (on Road Scholar) is in the Cathar country and area in Languedoc). I loved the Pyrenees when I was in northern spain in 2008. I found it mystical...

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