Sat May 16, 2015, 08:24 AM
Cooley Hurd (26,877 posts)
URGENT - Syria ISIS US Operation (US Special Forces on ground in Syria)
Source: KSPR.com
(CNN) -- U.S. Special Operations forces conducted a raid in eastern Syria overnight Friday to Saturday to capture Abu Sayyaf, a senior ISIS commander, sources familiar with what happened on the ground in Syria told CNN. Sayyaf, who was in charge of ISIS' oil and gas operations and directly and increasingly involved in ISIS command and control, fought capture and was killed in the raid, the sources said. His wife, an Iraqi named Umm Sayyaf, was captured and taken to Iraq for interrogation. Read more: http://www.kspr.com/news/nationworld/urgent-syria-isis-us-operation/21051646_33058022 ![]()
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Cooley Hurd | May 2015 | OP |
leveymg | May 2015 | #1 | |
Cooley Hurd | May 2015 | #2 | |
leveymg | May 2015 | #3 | |
Jesus Malverde | May 2015 | #8 | |
madokie | May 2015 | #6 | |
Javaman | May 2015 | #11 | |
Blue_Tires | May 2015 | #26 | |
leveymg | May 2015 | #34 | |
turbinetree | May 2015 | #4 | |
cstanleytech | May 2015 | #5 | |
Scootaloo | May 2015 | #9 | |
PosterChild | May 2015 | #22 | |
tiptonic | May 2015 | #14 | |
NutmegYankee | May 2015 | #29 | |
Plucketeer | May 2015 | #33 | |
NutmegYankee | May 2015 | #36 | |
Plucketeer | May 2015 | #45 | |
former9thward | May 2015 | #37 | |
Kingofalldems | May 2015 | #38 | |
former9thward | May 2015 | #39 | |
Lagom | May 2015 | #7 | |
Sunlei | May 2015 | #10 | |
still_one | May 2015 | #13 | |
cosmicone | May 2015 | #20 | |
PosterChild | May 2015 | #23 | |
NutmegYankee | May 2015 | #30 | |
7962 | May 2015 | #55 | |
joshcryer | May 2015 | #70 | |
still_one | May 2015 | #12 | |
Democat | May 2015 | #15 | |
still_one | May 2015 | #16 | |
JoePhilly | May 2015 | #17 | |
randome | May 2015 | #24 | |
leveymg | May 2015 | #35 | |
Bill USA | May 2015 | #53 | |
Drunken Irishman | May 2015 | #69 | |
FLPanhandle | May 2015 | #18 | |
Sunlei | May 2015 | #42 | |
stonecutter357 | May 2015 | #19 | |
cosmicone | May 2015 | #21 | |
RiverNoord | May 2015 | #44 | |
cosmicone | May 2015 | #47 | |
Daniel537 | May 2015 | #60 | |
hack89 | May 2015 | #64 | |
cosmicone | May 2015 | #66 | |
7962 | May 2015 | #56 | |
Kingofalldems | May 2015 | #25 | |
still_one | May 2015 | #27 | |
workinclasszero | May 2015 | #51 | |
7962 | May 2015 | #57 | |
Kingofalldems | May 2015 | #62 | |
7962 | May 2015 | #65 | |
Kingofalldems | May 2015 | #67 | |
Backwoodsrider | May 2015 | #28 | |
Grins | May 2015 | #31 | |
cosmicone | May 2015 | #48 | |
Agnosticsherbet | May 2015 | #32 | |
eissa | May 2015 | #40 | |
Sunlei | May 2015 | #41 | |
RiverNoord | May 2015 | #43 | |
Sunlei | May 2015 | #46 | |
cosmicone | May 2015 | #49 | |
hrmjustin | May 2015 | #50 | |
workinclasszero | May 2015 | #52 | |
Bill USA | May 2015 | #54 | |
OldRedneck | May 2015 | #58 | |
stonecutter357 | May 2015 | #59 | |
Daniel537 | May 2015 | #61 | |
woo me with science | May 2015 | #63 | |
JustABozoOnThisBus | May 2015 | #68 |
Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:34 AM
leveymg (36,418 posts)
1. Another baby step toward the inevitable Forever War.
Response to leveymg (Reply #1)
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:35 AM
Cooley Hurd (26,877 posts)
2. That's the way I'm seeing it, as well...
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #2)
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:38 AM
leveymg (36,418 posts)
3. If you like the Iraq Wars, you're going to love Syria-Lebanon-Iran
The neocons are back. This is A Clean Break realized, and the US is picking up the tab, as usual.
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Response to leveymg (Reply #1)
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:50 AM
madokie (51,076 posts)
6. I'm thinking we're already in that war
War is an admission of failure
War fucked my life up big time as it does most anyone involved in it. |
Response to leveymg (Reply #1)
Sat May 16, 2015, 09:04 AM
Javaman (60,941 posts)
11. We've always been at war with Eurasia. nt
Response to leveymg (Reply #1)
Sat May 16, 2015, 10:50 AM
Blue_Tires (55,445 posts)
26. So we're just like any other society in the annals of recorded history??
Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #26)
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:16 PM
leveymg (36,418 posts)
34. No sireebob. We're #1! - shout it, with meaning!
Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:40 AM
turbinetree (23,964 posts)
4. Wonderful
we now have combat troops being placed in harms way, because one George W. Bush, who and his crew created this mess, will have blood on there hands if one of these citizens gets captured.
I think it time to get the guy with the tax payer funded pacemaker to lead the way, with his Wyoming Coboy hat. Then have Fix Noise reporting from the front line during the charge. Have all of the rest of them and there right wing ideologues put on a uniform even the ones on Jebby's election team, and go and fight the fight and try to clean up there mess----------- Since they (ISIS commanders ) are the same ones on the deck of cards they handed out in there war based on lie------------and finish they job they created, with there Shock and Awe. What could possibly go wrong ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Response to turbinetree (Reply #4)
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:44 AM
cstanleytech (24,772 posts)
5. Hold up a minute, they sent in some troops to get Bid Laden and this is different how exactly?
Response to cstanleytech (Reply #5)
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:56 AM
Scootaloo (25,699 posts)
9. Bin Ladin was the mastermind of 9/11
If you want to get the mastermind behind ISIS, he lives in Texas and paints his feet while in hte bath.
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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #5)
Sat May 16, 2015, 10:38 AM
PosterChild (1,307 posts)
22. Good point, it's not....
.... better to use a drone strike, but I'm sure that was considered and would not have been feasible in this case.
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Response to turbinetree (Reply #4)
Sat May 16, 2015, 10:07 AM
tiptonic (765 posts)
14. Well said
Well said turbine. When will it all stop? But wait, war is money. So it must be good for somebody (sarcasm) .
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Response to turbinetree (Reply #4)
Sat May 16, 2015, 11:27 AM
NutmegYankee (15,734 posts)
29. Special forces have been put into harms way many times without a war.
When dealing with groups that operate outside the law around the world, they are the goto people. Usually to secure hostages.
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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #29)
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:14 PM
Plucketeer (12,882 posts)
33. Whose laws???
Every entity has their own set of "laws". If we don't agree with them, they're outside of the law.
No, the over-arching theme here should be as Bill Mahr calls it. We need to get the fuck out - TOTALLY out - and allow these folks to fight it out til the dust settles. Then we build a fine new embassy to be able to have diplomatic relations with whoever it was that came out on top! EDIT to add.... Another motive for us being there is that this region is a REAL LIFE proving ground for builders of war implements. What better sales pitches than footage of U.S.-made weaponry blowing the hell out of angry sorts toting AK-47s and RPGs??? "And would you like that in natural aluminum or one of our available camouflage patterns?" |
Response to Plucketeer (Reply #33)
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:25 PM
NutmegYankee (15,734 posts)
36. I'll have to disagree.
There are groups around the world that specialize in kidnapping and such for ransoms. When they kidnap one of our citizens, we have an obligation to act.
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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #36)
Sat May 16, 2015, 02:03 PM
Plucketeer (12,882 posts)
45. So MUCH of the antagonism
that inspires these "groups" to do things like this is because of foreign interference in what is essentially THEIR business. If we'd STAY OUT OF IT, one side would eventually prevail and relative peace might set in.
Edit to add..... As a "for instance", the US military did a ground intervention to take out the ISIS "commander" yesterday. Now - can you just imagine the demoralizing effect that's having on ISIS. Can't you just SEE them all standing around dejectedly and tossing their weapons into a pile and giving up? That's right - I can't either. That raid was just one more recruiting call for ISIS. And the insanity goes on! |
Response to turbinetree (Reply #4)
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:29 PM
former9thward (28,495 posts)
37. No Bush did not put these combat troops in harms way.
Obama did. It is his war now.
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Response to former9thward (Reply #37)
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:35 PM
Kingofalldems (37,002 posts)
38. Bush's actions created ISIS.
It's Bush's war.
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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #38)
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:41 PM
former9thward (28,495 posts)
39. The Sykes-Picot Agreement in WW I created ISIS.
It is not our war. Obama sent those troops in and made it our war. It is his war.
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:50 AM
Lagom (26 posts)
7. Do it again should not be an option.
William J. Astore: The American Military Uncontained, Chaos Spread, Casualties Inflicted, Missions Unaccomplished
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/05/william-j-astore-the-american-military-uncontained-chaos-spread-casualties-inflicted-missions-unaccomplished.html |
Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 09:02 AM
Sunlei (22,651 posts)
10. Our Ops is good, got the target, captured his wife & rescued a Yazidi woman they had as a slave!
This is the main IS leader who sold oil/gas to fund IS.
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Response to Sunlei (Reply #10)
Sat May 16, 2015, 10:31 AM
cosmicone (11,014 posts)
20. I agree as well n/t
Response to Sunlei (Reply #10)
Sat May 16, 2015, 10:39 AM
PosterChild (1,307 posts)
23. Looks like the mission ws a success. /nt/
Response to Sunlei (Reply #10)
Sat May 16, 2015, 04:37 PM
7962 (11,841 posts)
55. Agreed. Read that there was hand-to-hand combat involved too.
Apparently all our guys came back but a dozen ISIS killed
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Response to Sunlei (Reply #10)
Sun May 17, 2015, 05:27 AM
joshcryer (62,168 posts)
70. Yeah
It sucks to say but this is a hell of a sight better than droning the location and obliterating the whole lot.
If you're going to invest in some special operations, do it, don't go the drone route, you won't get intel, you'll kill a lot of innocent people, and probably recruit more. This sort of thing is super politically risky (Black Hawk down) so politicians don't go that route. Shame we couldn't capture the leader (assuming that it wasn't a kill op). |
Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 09:09 AM
still_one (87,273 posts)
12. I imagine Mr. Hersh will have an article telling us the President lied to us next week about this
Response to still_one (Reply #12)
Sat May 16, 2015, 10:20 AM
Democat (11,617 posts)
15. And many on DU will believe it
They don't need an excuse to attack Obama and the US.
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Response to Democat (Reply #15)
Sat May 16, 2015, 10:22 AM
still_one (87,273 posts)
16. you are absolutely right on that one.
Response to still_one (Reply #12)
Sat May 16, 2015, 10:45 AM
randome (34,845 posts)
24. Based on a retired officer living in Miami, no less.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]
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Response to still_one (Reply #12)
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:21 PM
leveymg (36,418 posts)
35. He would be right.
It's all happening in slow motion with a lot of background clutter, so some don't notice.
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Response to still_one (Reply #12)
Sun May 17, 2015, 02:29 AM
Drunken Irishman (34,857 posts)
69. No doubt.
Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 10:25 AM
FLPanhandle (7,107 posts)
18. Good use of Special Ops.
Too bad they couldn't have taken him alive and got some info out of him.
As for his death, good riddance. |
Response to FLPanhandle (Reply #18)
Sat May 16, 2015, 01:03 PM
Sunlei (22,651 posts)
42. They didn't need him alive , just his computer, phones, papers and wife.
Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 10:31 AM
stonecutter357 (12,490 posts)
19. good
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 10:32 AM
cosmicone (11,014 posts)
21. Bravo! A good ISIS member is a dead ISIS member. n/t
Response to cosmicone (Reply #21)
Sat May 16, 2015, 01:39 PM
RiverNoord (1,150 posts)
44. And for every one we kill, 5 more spring up.
COINS failed in Vietnam, and it appears that we unlearned all of the lessons of that war after the first Gulf War.
There is one hell of a lot of young people who see the U.S. as a massive military hegemony dictating how the rest of the world lives from the point of a gun. That's exactly what Cheney, Rumsfeld and the PNAC gang wanted, and they brought about hell on earth by testing the plan out on Iraq. These young, disillusioned people will flock to any group that openly opposes this perceived hegemony and demonstrates some military success, regardless of how rotten or sick the demonstrated agenda of the group is in reality. We caused this whole goddamn mess with our military, and we think we can sort it out militarily? Stupid. |
Response to RiverNoord (Reply #44)
Sat May 16, 2015, 02:23 PM
cosmicone (11,014 posts)
47. Don't propagate an urban myth
There is no evidence that new terrorists pop up for every kill that otherwise wouldn't have popped up. The terrorists are just fackwads who would have turned to terror in the name of religion anyway -- whether they feel ostracized or triumphant.
If ISIS is left unopposed, it will only become stronger and their military gains will encourage far far more people to join them than their brutal and decisive demise. I am all for mowing down all ISIS and similar extremist warriors whether they are in Nigeria, Somalia, Iraq, Syria or Pakistan. I repeat. A good terrorist is a dead terrorist. |
Response to cosmicone (Reply #47)
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:21 PM
Daniel537 (1,560 posts)
60. We killed tens of thousands of fighters in Iraq under Dubya.
According to your theory, we should have a peaceful and stable Middle East by now. This "victory through body-counts" nonsense has been disproved throughout history, see Vietnam for a clear, and pretty fucking obvious, example. No serious person thinks this conflict will be won militarily.
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Response to Daniel537 (Reply #60)
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:00 PM
hack89 (39,113 posts)
64. Iraqis killing Iraqis set off sectarian violence that continues to this day
I would argue that Sunni / Shia terrorism has radicalized more Muslims than America. Let's not forgot that Sunni violence killed more Iraqis than the American military - in 2007 alone there were 440 bombings.
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Response to Daniel537 (Reply #60)
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:22 PM
cosmicone (11,014 posts)
66. What if there were 50,000 nutcases
and we only killed 35,000?
There is still no proof that killing people increases terrorism. In fact, terrorism in Israel has gone down since Israel took a hard line and killed hundreds, captured thousands and leveled their homes. Bending over and grabbing one's ankles is not a cogent anti-terrorism strategy. |
Response to RiverNoord (Reply #44)
Sat May 16, 2015, 04:39 PM
7962 (11,841 posts)
56. So never kill any and they'll all go away. Ok.
Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 10:47 AM
Kingofalldems (37,002 posts)
25. Tuned in to Fox and the story was not being covered
unlike CNN and MSNBC.
Must be really good news. |
Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #25)
Sat May 16, 2015, 11:11 AM
still_one (87,273 posts)
27. Obviously it reflects positively on the Obama administration
Response to still_one (Reply #27)
Sat May 16, 2015, 02:43 PM
workinclasszero (28,270 posts)
51. Yup so to fox "news"
and its brainwashed audience, it never happened!
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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #25)
Sat May 16, 2015, 04:40 PM
7962 (11,841 posts)
57. Well, its the lead story on their website.
Response to 7962 (Reply #57)
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:41 PM
Kingofalldems (37,002 posts)
62. Now maybe.
They ignored the story for 1 hour this morning.
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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #62)
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:05 PM
7962 (11,841 posts)
65. I reckon they werent 1st on the list of networks to notify!
Response to 7962 (Reply #65)
Sat May 16, 2015, 09:01 PM
Kingofalldems (37,002 posts)
67. You can make all the excuses for them you want.
Doesn't change the reality of their blatant bias.
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 11:21 AM
Backwoodsrider (764 posts)
28. yep just like clockwork
The US is trying to control what goes on in the middle east but what is a little odd this time we did not do it to benefit the Saudis. I think relations between Saudi Arabia monarchy and Pres Obama and many democrats suck.
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 11:35 AM
Grins (6,006 posts)
31. Like bin Laden's death, how soon will the Reich-wing claim George Bush deserves the credit....? N/M
Response to Grins (Reply #31)
Sat May 16, 2015, 02:24 PM
cosmicone (11,014 posts)
48. George W. Bush should get all the credit.
He created the target. Obama only shot at it!
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 11:43 AM
Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)
32. Obama asked Congress to end the 2002 AUMF and for a new Authorization
Last edited Sat May 16, 2015, 04:00 PM - Edit history (1) to used force agaisnt ISIS.
The newer authorization would have put limits on a conflict, and ended the Iraq War, which is authorizes much greater force. Republicans chose this. http://fox17online.com/2015/02/11/obama-asks-congress-to-authorize-military-force-against-isis/ |
Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:42 PM
eissa (4,201 posts)
40. Best part for me
Was the release of the Yazidi slave held by this savage and his filthy wife. Hope the rest of the Yazidi and Assyrian women held by these animals are rescued soon as well.
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:58 PM
Sunlei (22,651 posts)
41. once they sort through his computers be interesting to see who were the buyers of black market oil
Is made a lot of millions off someone.
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 01:29 PM
RiverNoord (1,150 posts)
43. lol - how many times has this alerady happened?
U.S. 'Special Forces' basically have a mandate to do anything that their commander in chief authorizes, whether the order has a constitutional basis or not. 'Lawyers' (I'm a lawyer and have nothing but contempt for these creeps) for the administration, CIA or Pentagon have bullshitted their way through a horde of legal 'analyses' which provide BS legal cover for a President to do anything he/she wants. There is no longer any need to go to Congress for a declaration of war, ever, the requirement for which is clearly established by the Constitution vesting Declaration of War powers in the legislature.
So, 'U.S. Special Operations forces conducted a raid in eastern Syria,' kill some people, which is an act of war, is now becoming virtually indistinguishable in the American mindset as 'local officers conduct raid on home containing suspected heroin lab', come under fire, kill suspect in ensuing gunfight, seize over 5 million dollars in heroin. Where does it end? |
Response to RiverNoord (Reply #43)
Sat May 16, 2015, 02:09 PM
Sunlei (22,651 posts)
46. Twice in Syria, the last time didn't go as well as this.
Response to RiverNoord (Reply #43)
Sat May 16, 2015, 02:30 PM
cosmicone (11,014 posts)
49. You have no knowledge of all the backdoor diplomacy
that must have taken place to make it legal.
I firmly believe that the US has a secret-handshake agreement with Bashar Assad to allow such operations at the invitation of the Syrian government, which makes it legal and doesn't violate international law. Obama is not stupid enough to send special forces willy-nilly where they could be captured by the country concerned. Unfortunately, neither Syria nor the US are in a position to publicly acknowledge such an arrangement. |
Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 02:41 PM
hrmjustin (71,265 posts)
50. Looks like they killed an ISIS commander.
Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 02:45 PM
workinclasszero (28,270 posts)
52. Lets give credit for the Forever War to George W Bush
Mission Accomplished asshole!
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 03:28 PM
Bill USA (6,436 posts)
54. Great news! thnks for posting!
Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 04:45 PM
OldRedneck (1,397 posts)
58. But - but - but --
Did President Obama order this raid? I thought only GWBush had the male parts necessary to track down and kill terrorists. Will Obama stride across a flight deck with his crotch straps cinched up?
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:01 PM
stonecutter357 (12,490 posts)
59. K&R!
This is a ruse. Everyone knows the head of ISIS is sitting in the White House.
Signed, Your average conservative filth. |
Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:25 PM
Daniel537 (1,560 posts)
61. They legacy of George W. Bush that just won't go away.
Wake me up when this shit is over.
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Response to Daniel537 (Reply #61)
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:47 PM
woo me with science (32,139 posts)
63. Red talking points are now Blue talking points!
We have always been at war with Eastasia! ![]() |
Response to Cooley Hurd (Original post)
Sat May 16, 2015, 09:20 PM
JustABozoOnThisBus (22,781 posts)
68. So, they screwed up
It sounds like the primary mission objective was to capture the guy for questioning.
Killing him, while it makes for good press, was not the primary objective. If you believe the press. I'd bet there were not many whole-hearted high-fives after this one. |