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Omaha Steve

(99,055 posts)
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 04:26 AM Apr 2015

Attempts to dislodge cougar hiding under LA house fail

Source: AP

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A mountain lion that's a local celebrity has moved in under a Los Angeles home, and despite wildlife workers using a prod and firing tennis balls and bean bags at it, it appears unwilling to move.

Jason Archinaco, the homeowner in the hilly Los Feliz neighborhood, told KNBC-TV (http://bit.ly/1ypl8o3 ) that workers installing a home security system encountered the cougar in a crawlspace around noon Monday. He was still there more than 10 hours later.

"I don't think he's going to come out," Archinaco said. "He's probably been living here for a while. ... He thinks this is his den."

The animal, which has a red ear tag, is known as P-22 and normally lives in nearby Griffith Park.

FULL story at link.


Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_COUGAR_UNDER_HOUSE_?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-04-14-03-11-03

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Attempts to dislodge cougar hiding under LA house fail (Original Post) Omaha Steve Apr 2015 OP
its good pest control tho. pansypoo53219 Apr 2015 #1
Also handy for controlling noisy neighbor dogs n/t MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #13
I thought this comment was amusing rpannier Apr 2015 #2
Hope they can extract it without harming it, and take it somewhere where it will be safe. Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #3
Well said. narnian60 Apr 2015 #7
A cougar is no more "ancient" than a human MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #16
Do you have anything to support this statement: The Stranger Apr 2015 #19
yeah, that makes absolutely no sense to me, whatsoever frylock Apr 2015 #23
Why, yes I do. MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #24
You mean this? The Stranger Apr 2015 #32
Um, the Revolutionary War was 1776, 176 years later MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #33
Um, it's your website, not mine. Here is what I have seen, and its a reputable source: The Stranger Apr 2015 #38
The FAO is the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations n/t MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #42
So what about the Guardian article? The Stranger Apr 2015 #43
What about the price of tea in China? MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #44
So how do you reconcile not that much less forest land with the collapse of 90% of wildlife? The Stranger Apr 2015 #49
Again, there are many problems in this world MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #50
Just ansnwer the question. The Stranger Apr 2015 #57
You are making an apples to oranges comparison jberryhill Apr 2015 #51
It is not "apples to oranges" - there is a direct correlation between habitat and species population The Stranger Apr 2015 #58
The following two statements are correct: jberryhill Apr 2015 #59
The statement about forests is intended to form an apologist position for species decimation. The Stranger Apr 2015 #61
If he had said 1900 instead of the Revolution he would have been correct. happyslug Apr 2015 #55
OVERPOPULATION is the biggest problem on the planet. The Stranger Apr 2015 #18
Don't disagree that overpopulation is a problem MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #26
+1000 wordpix Apr 2015 #63
With a cougar living under the house... KansDem Apr 2015 #4
Don't know -- Had a cougar in the rental unit downstairs MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #14
They didn't try food? PADemD Apr 2015 #5
''...is known as P-22 and normally lives in nearby Griffith Park.'' DeSwiss Apr 2015 #6
Why not sedate the cougar? justiceischeap Apr 2015 #8
We don't know how much space there would be for a human to crawl into. Hoppy Apr 2015 #10
You gonna check and see if the cougar is really asleep? MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #15
LOL. That was poor Jim Fowler PSPS Apr 2015 #25
You and I are old MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #27
While Jim wrestles with the injured tiger, LibertyLover Apr 2015 #35
Jim Fowler credit Johnny Carson with that image of the show. happyslug Apr 2015 #56
After watching Carson I would laugh out loud every time Perkins said that on Wild Kingdom. yellowcanine Apr 2015 #62
"A mother elephant will stomp a cobra to death to protect her young... jberryhill Apr 2015 #60
Hey I remember that show! closeupready Apr 2015 #31
When I retired MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #36
Take it to the Antiques Roadshow, see what it's worth, hehe. closeupready Apr 2015 #37
Jim and Marlin lasso a grizzly bear off of horseback. Drahthaardogs Apr 2015 #46
"Wild Kingdom" restarted in 2002, with new hosts... happyslug Apr 2015 #54
sedation is dangerous dolphinsandtuna Apr 2015 #21
On one thread they want cops to sedate humans... Historic NY Apr 2015 #52
Here, kitty kitty! truthisfreedom Apr 2015 #9
We often have to get bears out of the city limits and we do not throw things at them. We get a jwirr Apr 2015 #11
Poor guy! I'm sure he's terrified. Coventina Apr 2015 #12
They can't tranquilize the animal? After 10 hours, they can't find a zoologist in California? The Stranger Apr 2015 #17
That's why I suggested sedation up thread justiceischeap Apr 2015 #22
There are houses along the edge of Griffith Park. Griffith Park is surrounded by city on all sides. cui bono Apr 2015 #48
they should also offer up a meaty meal of raw bison wordpix Apr 2015 #64
Would I be smacked for suggesting... derby378 Apr 2015 #20
It is sad to see this on DU underpants Apr 2015 #29
MosheFeingold made one in post #14. Chan790 Apr 2015 #30
I was a bit scared to make it MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #34
When we lived on a rural road in southwest NM, we had a mountain lion for a neighbor Thirties Child Apr 2015 #28
I just read the cougar has left the building. herding cats Apr 2015 #39
Offer her a Cosmo and a date with Ryan Gosling. Aristus Apr 2015 #40
... In_The_Wind Apr 2015 #41
Update: It escaped Monday night. Auggie Apr 2015 #45
Count me among those who wonder why they didn't try luring it out with food. Nine Apr 2015 #47
He won't day-den in that spot anymore Sunlei Apr 2015 #53

rpannier

(24,304 posts)
2. I thought this comment was amusing
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 05:20 AM
Apr 2015

Archinaco said he and his wife have three ordinary house cats and had thought about adding to their numbers.

"My wife wanted a fourth one," he said, "but not this way."

Judi Lynn

(160,211 posts)
3. Hope they can extract it without harming it, and take it somewhere where it will be safe.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 05:40 AM
Apr 2015

There has to be SOME PLACE in this world where animals are safe to live, for crissakes.

Why should human beings have to squat on every single square foot of land everywhere, leaving only the driest, sandiest plots for all the animals on the planet to share?

Humans need to learn to get serious and share this world with the ancient life forms already here.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
16. A cougar is no more "ancient" than a human
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:13 AM
Apr 2015

I don't exactly see sabre tooths sticking out.

I understand your point, but North America actually has more wooded and wild areas today than during the Revolutionary War.

There has been, and always will be, push and pull of wild animals vs. humans. CA has a bad drought and this undoubtedly caused this animal to stray from its normal habitat.

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
19. Do you have anything to support this statement:
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:27 AM
Apr 2015
North America actually has more wooded and wild areas today than during the Revolutionary War.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
24. Why, yes I do.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 12:11 PM
Apr 2015

The primary reason, BTW, is people used to burn wood as the primary fuel/heating source, but also because the money is in "old growth" wood so privately-owned forests are actively managed to increase biodiversity. (People want their hardwood floors.)

It's really picked up since WWI and again at WWII, since that precipitated the change to fossil fuels (which are cheaper and easier to move/use).

http://www.fao.org/docrep/meeting/x4995e.htm#P40_457

(Note this is only the USA. Canada has had much more forest growth, like 2X. I can hunt that down later)

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
32. You mean this?
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 02:29 PM
Apr 2015
After two centuries of decline, the area of US forestland stabilized in about 1920 and has since increased slightly. The forest area of the US is about two-thirds what it was in 1600.

The area consumed by wildfire each year has fallen 90 percent; it was between eight and twenty million hectares (20-50 million acres) in the early 1900s and is between one and two million hectares (2-5 million acres) today.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
33. Um, the Revolutionary War was 1776, 176 years later
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 02:55 PM
Apr 2015

And you also exclude Canada, which has done better than the USA.

1776 was almost the nadir.

If you want facts, cut and paste the rest:

"Forest growth nationally has exceeded harvest since the 1940s. By 1997 forest growth exceeded harvest by 42 percent and the volume of forest growth was 380 percent greater than it had been in 1920.

Nationally, the average standing wood volume per acre in US forests is about one-third greater today than in 1952; in the East, average volume per acre has almost doubled. About three-quarters of the volume increase is in broad leaved or deciduous trees.

Populations of many wildlife species have increased dramatically since 1900. But some species, especially some having specialized habitat conditions, remain the cause for concern.

Tree planting on all forestland rose dramatically after World War II, reaching record levels in the 1980s. Many private forestlands are now actively managed for tree growing and other values and uses."

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
38. Um, it's your website, not mine. Here is what I have seen, and its a reputable source:
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:31 PM
Apr 2015

That there is only marginally less forest may not matter if the water, air, soil and everything else is completely polluted beyond repair.

The number of wild animals on Earth has halved in the past 40 years, according to a new analysis. Creatures across land, rivers and the seas are being decimated as humans kill them for food in unsustainable numbers, while polluting or destroying their habitats, the research by scientists at WWF and the Zoological Society of London found.

“If half the animals died in London zoo next week it would be front page news,” said Professor Ken Norris, ZSL’s director of science. “But that is happening in the great outdoors. This damage is not inevitable but a consequence of the way we choose to live.” He said nature, which provides food and clean water and air, was essential for human wellbeing.

“We have lost one half of the animal population and knowing this is driven by human consumption, this is clearly a call to arms and we must act now,” said Mike Barratt, director of science and policy at WWF. He said more of the Earth must be protected from development and deforestation, while food and energy had to be produced sustainably.


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/29/earth-lost-50-wildlife-in-40-years-wwf

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
44. What about the price of tea in China?
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 06:55 PM
Apr 2015

We were discussing the amount of forestation, not the hundreds of other ills in the world.

You're article may or may not have a point, but whatever it is, it's tangential (at best) to the discussion.

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
49. So how do you reconcile not that much less forest land with the collapse of 90% of wildlife?
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 10:41 AM
Apr 2015

Come on, contribute something to the discussion.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
50. Again, there are many problems in this world
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 11:13 AM
Apr 2015

And you won't solve them by lying about things that have gotten better.

Forested areas have gotten much better in North America (and Europe, too, if you care to look at the stats). That's just a fact.

Ergo, whatever ills you care to discuss are not caused by decline in forests in North America (and Europe) because those forests are not declining. To the contrary, they are rebounding.

Yes, there are other problems that must be fixed. You listed many. The cause of those ills is not decline in forests, however.

Focusing on things that are not the cause of the problem hurt your otherwise noble efforts.

It's a bit like a doctor who sees a sick patient and prescribes antibiotics, but that doesn't heal the patient. Well, try an anti-viral next. If that doesn't work, try something else. Etc.

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
57. Just ansnwer the question.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 12:38 PM
Apr 2015

How do you reconcile this purported sudden increase in forests when wildlife species are in collapse?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
51. You are making an apples to oranges comparison
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 11:19 AM
Apr 2015

Yes, there is more wooded area in the US than in 1776.

The MAJOR principal export of the American colonies to Britain was timber.

The article you posted is about global wildlife decline, and has nothing to do with wooded area in the US.

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
58. It is not "apples to oranges" - there is a direct correlation between habitat and species population
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 12:40 PM
Apr 2015

I'm asking a simple fucking question as to how you reconcile these things, and I'm being told I'm a liar.

What the fuck?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
59. The following two statements are correct:
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 01:26 PM
Apr 2015

1. There is more wooded area in the US than at the time of the Revolution.

2. There is less species diversity in the US than at the time of the Revolution.

You jumped into the thread to incorrectly claim that statement 1 was false. You have been corrected, and that seems to be an issue with which you have an emotional reaction that cannot be remedied.

To recap, your question was for support of the proposition:

"North America actually has more wooded and wild areas today than during the Revolutionary War."

Upon being provided support for that proposition, you changed the subject.

The area encompassing, for example, The Great Smoky Mountains National Park was inhabited, and was actively logged by movable camps which clearcut vast areas of it, prior to its designation as a National Park. That, and other measures noted above, account for the fact that the trend of deforestation in the US was dramatically reversed in the last century.

Now, if you want to talk about wetlands, marshes, tidal estuaries, and the like - that's another story entirely, but one which does not relate to "forests".

From the time of the Revolution, much of the US expansion proceeded across the Great Plains, which was not, from the start, a forested area, but was occupied by many species which are less numerous than now.

No, species which had been decimated have not recovered. That is particularly true of, say, bison and other great plains species which did not live in forested areas in the first place.

Yes, habitat reduction impacts species. No, not all North American species live in forests. Many significant species - and the most dramatically impacted species - live in grasslands, wetlands, and deserts.

Bison, antelope, and many other species which have been substantially reduced in number, don't have much to do with forests.

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
61. The statement about forests is intended to form an apologist position for species decimation.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 05:57 PM
Apr 2015

That's the bottom line.

It seemed strange to me that we could have 90% wildlife loss, yet the forests are purportedly rebounding.

So I asked for support for the statement.

As it turns out, this statement about forests purportedly rebounding is very limited in scope.

And, in light of the massive habitat destruction going on elsewhere in the world, it really should be put in better context.

That is what you and the other poster failed to do.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
55. If he had said 1900 instead of the Revolution he would have been correct.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 03:42 PM
Apr 2015

Most of the US was still heavily wooded as late as the Civil War, but it was under stress. The passenger pigeon is the classic example of this. Unless other pigeons, passenger pigeons lived in large flocks and nested in Mature trees, next to open fields. Thus you had a massive increase in Passenger pigeons prior to the Civil War as trees on prime farmland was cut down and converted to open fields. These fields were next to open fields. Thus in the post Civil War era you had a massive increase in Passenger Pigeons, then as the remaining mature trees were cut, a rapid decline, with the last ones dying out in the 1920s.

By 1900 almost all of the mature trees in the US had been cut down. Forests in the US had no place else to go but up. Go to Penn Pilot and look at the aerial photos from the late 1930s and compare them to Google earth, a huge increase in trees throughout the Pennsylvania and this reflects what occurred in the rest of the US. Even in the 1930s much of the US was treeless. Forests were permitted to regrow starting with Theodore Roosevelt and some of them are returning to mature status only today, over 100 years after most of such forest had been cut down (Thus the complaints of Deer hunters that the Deer are gone, Deer like second growth forests NOT Mature Forests, Deer are moving into Suburbia which retains much of their second growth forest nature, while the rural areas forests and entering into a mature forest stage).

Thus the US was the mostly forested till the Civil War, but that was changing at that time period, and had changed by 1900.

Penn Pilot Photo Centers, a collection of Aerial Photos from the late 1930s, the 1950s and the late 1960s and early 1970s:

http://www.pennpilot.psu.edu/

Photo of Mt Washington section of Pittsburgh around 1900, notice the total lack of trees:



Same view today, notice the LARGE number of trees:



http://www.shorpy.com/node/8634

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
18. OVERPOPULATION is the biggest problem on the planet.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:26 AM
Apr 2015

The human species is literally annihilating every other species.

Yet when you bring this up -- even to purported Progressives -- you get the most freakish, irrational responses imaginable.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
26. Don't disagree that overpopulation is a problem
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 12:17 PM
Apr 2015

Humans, however, are increasingly urban and so (believe it or not -- see link) wild spaces are increasing in North America.

This concentration of population, however, is made possible by cheap energy. When that collapses (and it will), the populations in the cities will again spread out, with disastrous results.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
14. Don't know -- Had a cougar in the rental unit downstairs
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:08 AM
Apr 2015

She made my sons a little nervous, especially after 2 glasses of wine.


(Yes, joking. Relax.)

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
6. ''...is known as P-22 and normally lives in nearby Griffith Park.''
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 06:40 AM
Apr 2015
- Maybe they're trying to get the wrong ones to leave?

K&R

Sounds like a job for Tippi!

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justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
8. Why not sedate the cougar?
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:20 AM
Apr 2015

I don't understand why they're using all these other methods when they could simply sedate the cougar and move him safely and gently that way.

They obviously sedated the guy before since he has an ear tag.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
10. We don't know how much space there would be for a human to crawl into.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:46 AM
Apr 2015

He was probably tagged when he was a cub.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
15. You gonna check and see if the cougar is really asleep?
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:10 AM
Apr 2015

They need the crazy guy from Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom that Marlin Perkins used to send out to jump on various wild animals while old Marlin flew over in the safety of a helicopter.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
27. You and I are old
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 12:20 PM
Apr 2015

I came to love his British truck Jim* drove. No idea what it was. Just looked so purposeful.


* "Jim will now jump out of my Korean-war-era helicopter and wrestle the wildebeast whilst I circle above 'looking for poachers.'"

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
35. While Jim wrestles with the injured tiger,
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:08 PM
Apr 2015

let's take a break and hear from our sponsor, Mutual of Omaha, about their health insurance plans.

Loved those segues.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
56. Jim Fowler credit Johnny Carson with that image of the show.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 04:09 PM
Apr 2015

Merlin Perkins was head of the St Louis Zoo in the 1960s and early 1970s:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlin_Perkins

Jim Fower was tied in with the San Diego Zoo and often would appear on the Johnny Carson Show with animals. He is 27 years YOUNGER than Merlin Perkins. In the 1960s he was in his 30s, while Perkins was in his late 50s and early 60s. Thus Perkins just could NOT keep up with the younger man and did not try, but that left it up to Johnny Carson to exploit the difference (but did NOT cause Jim Fowler to show up on Carson's show, he did it 40 times, another source says 100 times, but that 100 times may include visits to Carson shows arranged by Fowler).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Fowler

http://www.wildkingdom.com/about

"Johnny Carson started the jokes about me and Marlin in his monologues," says former Wild Kingdom co-host Jim Fowler. There was no animosity, though, between the naturalist and the comedian; Fowler and his animal friends visited the Tonight Show more than 100 times. He still appears frequently on late-night talk shows, and he's been doing wildlife reports for NBC's Today show twice a month since 1988.

http://weeklywire.com/ww/09-02-97/memphis_afea.html

yellowcanine

(35,692 posts)
62. After watching Carson I would laugh out loud every time Perkins said that on Wild Kingdom.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 12:52 PM
Apr 2015

Funny stuff. But Perkins was a great host of that show and my wife and I used to watch it all the time.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
60. "A mother elephant will stomp a cobra to death to protect her young...
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 01:37 PM
Apr 2015

Mutual of Omaha will stomp your cobras to death with their new cobra-stomping family protection policy..."

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
31. Hey I remember that show!
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 01:55 PM
Apr 2015

lol - I actually liked that better than Jacques Cousteau - though in hindsight, I think Cousteau's work was more important, ecologically.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
36. When I retired
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:09 PM
Apr 2015

I was given a very nice watch with a piece of the Calypso in it as thanks for helping with water-related legislation.

Never wore it. Wear my 1950s era stainless Rolex (before they were fancy and just good watches) that my wife bought me for making partner at my firm. Still keeps perfect time.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
46. Jim and Marlin lasso a grizzly bear off of horseback.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 09:47 PM
Apr 2015

Marlin does not dally the rope to the horn but let's it go, leaving Jim to fend for himself.


That episode was probably the best reality tv ever. I can still remember Jim running for that tree while Marlin sat in his saddle.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
54. "Wild Kingdom" restarted in 2002, with new hosts...
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 01:54 PM
Apr 2015

More on both the OLD Wild Kingdom and the post 2002 Wild Kingdom:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Kingdom

The Show started on NBC in 1963, Then went syndicated in 1971 and stayed on the air till 1985.

These dates are NOT accidental. In the early 1970s, the Federal Government as part of its Anti-trust power told the big three networks they could NOT have complete control over what they put on the air. The networks had to permit independent producers to produce shows for the Network (All in the Family was one of the first programs to benefit from this policy, it was a CBS show but NOT produced by CBS). Another part of that Anti-Trust mover hit Wild Kingdom. Prior to 1971, NBC had a policy on non-football sundays to permit local news at 6:00 pm (I am using Eastern time Zones here), NBC national news at 6:30 pm. Wild Kingdom at 7:00 pm followed by Disney at 7:30 and the Sunday Night Movie at 8:30 pm. Thus from 6:00 pm to 9:00 pm, prime time, locals only had 1/2 hour to fill and they could fill that with local news. Thu it was impossible to have any local or independent programs during that time slot on NBC. The other networks were just as bad.

Anyway the Federal Government decided to cut this back so to permit more independent production on local TV programs (Remember we are talking about 1971 and thus this is mostly pre-cable). The Network could only take up 1/2 of the time between 6:00 pm and 9:00 pm. NBC decided to drop Wild Kingdom, but since it was NOT a NBC program but one of the few pre 1970 independent production went into syndication and in many stations remained in the same time slot, but this time coming from Mutual of Omaha NOT NBC.

THus the first shift was a minor program, easy to overcome. The next major change occurred in the mid 1980s, Reagan was in, deregulation was in and requirements that the Network provide educational and programs for children were out. Captain Kangaroo was basically phased out during that time period, other national and local programs for children died out (The various romper rooms programs died out). Saturday morning Cartoon became more and more ads for sugar coated cereals. Wild Kingdom was also NOT hitting the right target audience, its viewers were NOT teenagers of young 20s something, you watched it as a child or as an adult with children. Advertisers wanted the 16-30 year old market and that was NOT who was watching Wild Kingdom. Prior to the 1980s, the networks and local TV stations had an obligations to provide children and educational programs in addition to programs that made money. Wild Kingdom did make money, but the Networks and local TV Programs saw bigger money in other production and once they no longer had to provide Children and education program, Wild Kingdom was cancelled by the local TV programs and died.

Now, the mid 1980s is just before Cable really took off, in the mid 1980s it was still the big three networks and local broadcasters. Since the mid 1980s the multi channel cable of today expanded, and in 2002 it opened up a new Market for a new Wild Kingdom program. It is interesting how GOVERNMENT regulations has affected what we see on TV, Government Regulations (or lack of regulations) is the biggest factor in what we are watching and not watching today.

 

dolphinsandtuna

(231 posts)
21. sedation is dangerous
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:50 AM
Apr 2015

I have read more than once about a wild animal who was shot with a tranquilizer dart dying.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
11. We often have to get bears out of the city limits and we do not throw things at them. We get a
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:00 AM
Apr 2015

cage, bait it with something the bear likes to eat and wait for him to go in. The cage is then loaded on a truck and taken back out into the wilds. I can't believe they tried to throw things at it.

Coventina

(26,844 posts)
12. Poor guy! I'm sure he's terrified.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:30 AM
Apr 2015

His home has been discovered and now is under attack.
Of course he's too terrified to come out!!

What is wrong with people?!?!?!

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
17. They can't tranquilize the animal? After 10 hours, they can't find a zoologist in California?
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:25 AM
Apr 2015

They better not fucking kill it.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
22. That's why I suggested sedation up thread
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:54 AM
Apr 2015

My big fear is this cougar will do cougar-y type things and harm someone and then will be put down for being a cougar.

That said, why is the cougar hanging out in a residential neighborhood, something seems off about that all by itself.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
48. There are houses along the edge of Griffith Park. Griffith Park is surrounded by city on all sides.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:33 PM
Apr 2015

It's in the mountains that are in the middle of Los Angeles.

And that cougar is known. I don't think they will hurt it. I believe it's the one that's been on the news when a picture was captured of it by cameras that someone left out for that very purpose, to get its pic. I know I've been hearing about a particular mountain lion in Griffith Park for a little while.

underpants

(182,271 posts)
29. It is sad to see this on DU
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 01:41 PM
Apr 2015

It took 20 posts before someone made a "Cougar" joke?
Come on people! Get with it!

derby

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
34. I was a bit scared to make it
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:04 PM
Apr 2015

If one dares to make jokes about anything, the humorless brigade comes and tries to ban you.

What ever happened? The Left has turned into Frank Burns.

Thirties Child

(543 posts)
28. When we lived on a rural road in southwest NM, we had a mountain lion for a neighbor
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 12:39 PM
Apr 2015

Apparently a neighbor had been feeding him raw chicken in order to photograph him. When said neighbor went on vacation, the lion started following people home, showing up on decks in early morning. We now know he was saying, You're human. Feed me. At the time, however, none of us knew about the raw chicken, were too frightened to even think of feeding him. The next night he killed a disabled man who lived on the other side of the ridge, maybe a mile away. The man was standing under the stars, showering with gallon bottles of water. DNR tracked and killed the lion, also killed a female for good measure. The millionaire (Republican, naturally) who had been feeding him claimed he hadn't, and that was the end of that.

Several years earlier, Mr. Thirties had written a novel, Shikar, about a maneating tiger loose in the mountains of North Georgia, a story sympathetic to the tiger. After the book came out we got a phone call from a man in Oklahoma who said he had showered just about everything he had - love, money - on a horse. He found the horse dying after an attack by a mountain lion. He focused totally on his hatred of the lion until he read the novel. Then he understood the kill from the point of view of the lion.

herding cats

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39. I just read the cougar has left the building.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:46 PM
Apr 2015

Whereabouts unknown.

I didn't see this thread until after I left the other site, so no link. It was on KTLA LA news.

Nine

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47. Count me among those who wonder why they didn't try luring it out with food.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 09:55 PM
Apr 2015

Anyway, I'm glad the situation's been resolved (more or less).

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