California vaccine bill sparks acidic debate, Nazi links

[Omaha Steve]

Source: AP-Excite

By JUDY LIN

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — A California bill that would sharply limit vaccination waivers after a measles outbreak at Disneyland has generated such an acidic debate that the proposal's author was under added security this week.

Authorities wouldn't specify the extra protections around state Sen. Richard Pan on Friday, but the level of anger over the measure has been clear.

Opponents have flooded the Capitol to stand up for parental rights, and images that compare Pan to Adolf Hitler have circulated online.

"Unfortunately, there is a sub-segment of the group that seems to want to engage in vitriol and intimidation and bullying in order to get their way," said Pan, a Democratic pediatrician from Sacramento.

FULL story at link.



FILE - In this April 8. 2015 file photo, state Sen. Ben Allen, D-Santa Monica, foreground, and Sen. Richard Pan, D-Sacramento, present Senate Bill 277 to the Senate Health Committee in Sacramento, Calif. The bill by the two senators would sharply limit vaccination waivers. Pan, a pediatrician, was under added security after threats by opponents and comparisons to Adolf Hitler. (AP Photo/Rich Pedroncelli)

Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20150411/us--vaccines-california-728e06c6e2.html

[cosmicone]

1. Simply pass an additional law that will allow

anyone suffering from a preventable communicable disease to sue anti-vaxxers and their organizations for triple damages.

[NuclearDem]

2. What kind of irresponsible asshat would make Nazi links in the vaccine debate?

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article17814440.html

“They get the shot, that night they have a fever of a hundred and three, they go to sleep, and three months later their brain is gone,” Kennedy said. “This is a holocaust, what this is doing to our country.”

Oh, wait.

[tblue37]

3. Did you see the article on Raw Story about the Canadian antivaxx mom whose

7 kids all got whooping cough--and probably also exposed their 5 month old cousin who was too young to be fully vaccinated. Now the mother is pro-vaxx and apologizing for having been such an idiot in the first place. Nevertheless, antivaxxers dig in their heels.

[perdita9]

4. We all live in a society...

...and occasionally we have to behave in ways that serve the public good, not our own selfish interests (or unsubstantiated paranoia).

That's a simple fact of life.

[Archae]

5. Around 1900...

Cities started making it illegal to spit tobacco on the sidewalk, since it spread tuberculosis.

The "Freedumb!" screamers had a fit back then, too.

Yet even here, when someone pointed out that one of the loudest anti-vaxx screamers, Robert F Kennedy Jr, made a total ass of himself calling vaccinations a "Holocaust," it was "answered" by someone posting an article about the John F. Kennedy killing.

[SheilaT]

7. A very long time ago

in 1962 to be exact, I saw a sign somewhere in the Midwest, maybe Cleveland, that said, "Do not spit on the statues." At the time I thought it was simply hilarious, and I know that spitting used to be very common, and had no real idea why it began to be banned. Thanks for that info.

[proverbialwisdom]

6. Ponder this chart. Then find the pair of essays indicated and read both, ASAP.

Opting out or delaying even a single dose of a vaccine triggers the exemption label. Income effect? WHY?

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/04/california_anti_vaccine_movement_politics_wealth_bob_sears_and_robert_f.html

Google #1: laura hayes speech (top hit is transcript and, NO, I DO NOT AGREE WITH EVERY WORD UTTERED)

Google #2: weekly wrap going nowhere fast

FYI: The CA SB277 type mandate DOES NOT occur anywhere "in the free world" except MISSISSIPPI and WEST VIRGINIA, see here.

[SansACause]

8. Child abuse

Not much difference between not vaccinating your child and not putting them in a car seat.

[AtheistCrusader]

9. "Herd of angry moron troglodytes descend on California Capital to display stupidity"

Fixed the headline

[joanbarnes]

10. Follow the money. Pass a law making BigPharm liable for vaccine harm. Forced vacs will go away.

[ucrdem]

11. I think you put your finger on it. nt

[Jesus Malverde]

12. ding ding ding.

Follow the money and the interests of multinational corporations. Same ole story different industry.



This topic is akin to an article of faith maintained by a priesthood. Questioning is blasphemy.

[PatSeg]

13. Exactly

The role of Big Pharma in all this has been largely ignored.

[NuclearDem]

14. ...

[greiner3]

15. From what I've read;

Big Pharma does not want to provide vacciantions as they say it's a money loser for them.

Merck has some federal protection against being sued by providing the MMR vaccine.

This is from memory from an article several years ago and I'm too tired to look it up right now; anyone care to dig a bit.

[okaawhatever]

16. There isn't much profit in vaccines. Big Pharma makes virtually all of its money during the

patent protection period. That is why you see commercials every week for the shingles vaccine (still protected) and none for other vaccines.

[proverbialwisdom]

17. ACLU of California SB 277 analysis.

Also, see PDF link labeled "Bill Analysis 04/07/15 Senate Health" here: http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB277

http://leginfo.ca.gov/pub/15-16/bill/sen/sb_0251-0300/sb_277_cfa_20150407_101248_sen_comm.html

...13. Concerns. The ACLU of California writes that while they
appreciate that vaccination against childhood diseases is a
prudent step that should be promoted for the general welfare,
they do not believe there has been a sufficient showing of
need at present to warrant conditioning access to education on
mandatory vaccination for each of the diseases covered by this
bill. ACLU of California writes that unlike other states,
public education is a fundamental right under the California
Constitution, and equal access to education must therefore not
be limited or denied unless the State demonstrates that its
actions are "necessary to achieve a compelling state
interest." ACLU of California writes that this bill does not
declare what this interest might be, nor does it explain why
denying students access to education is necessary to advance
that interest. If there is, in fact, a compelling governmental
interest in mandating that all students in every school be
vaccinated against each of the enumerated diseases except for
medical reasons, the bill should be amended to explain
specifically what that interest is, where it exists, and under
what conditions and circumstances it arises.

ACLU of California further states that the reforms enacted by
AB 2109 had been in effect for only about 12 months before
this bill was announced, and that those reforms should be
allowed an opportunity to work before they are stricken and
replaced by an approach that restricts the fundamental right
to education. If AB 2109 is thought not to be working, its
effects should be analyzed and any deficiencies should be
corrected. If for example herd-immunity levels have not been
achieved for certain diseases in geographic areas where school
districts may not be not fully complying with the law, those
districts should be provided with additional resources and/or
compliance incentives. ACLU of California writes that in some
cases it appears the deficiencies may reflect a need for
better data-keeping and reporting, rather than the actual rate

of vaccinations. It has been reported for example that in
just one week the Los Angeles Unified School District
increased its vaccination rates significantly after the recent
measles outbreak by temporarily hiring additional staff to
replace nursing and clerical staff that had been laid off.
Other media reports indicate that some districts may not be
complying with existing law because there is no penalty and no
mechanism for enforcement. ACLU of California states that in
any event, herd immunity is a concept that applies to the
entire population in a geographic area, not simply to public
school students.

SOURCE: Comments at http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/04/laura-hayes-speech-on-parental-rights-and-medical-freedom-california-sb277-.html