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COW WITH MAD-COW DISEASE CONFIRMED IN CALIFORNIA, USDA SAYS (Original Post) titaniumsalute Apr 2012 OP
HOLY COW Renew Deal Apr 2012 #1
Holy cow brain Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2012 #11
You mean holEy cow brain Warpy Apr 2012 #55
k and r snagglepuss Apr 2012 #2
WHERE, do you know? The link doesn't provide any other information.... Ecumenist Apr 2012 #3
More info to come...it just broke. titaniumsalute Apr 2012 #7
Here's the article. LeftyMom Apr 2012 #4
In "Central California" DJ13 Apr 2012 #9
actually that helps tech_smythe Apr 2012 #25
It means go local until this blows over. DJ13 Apr 2012 #26
Me Too, DJ13, me too! I'm in the north but I would LOVE more information. Ecumenist Apr 2012 #36
USDA report... ag_dude Apr 2012 #38
Oh, it's in Hanford? NOT SURPRISED, THEN. I lived in Merced County for 5 years... Ecumenist Apr 2012 #40
Doesn't look like it's Harris Ranch KamaAina Apr 2012 #28
no, not transmitted through milk Kali Apr 2012 #37
the giant cattle pens. BlueToTheBone Apr 2012 #29
I hope that more is reported because this isn't too informative at all. I live in northern Ecumenist Apr 2012 #10
It was a dairy cow ag_dude Apr 2012 #32
Scary stuff. virgogal Apr 2012 #5
That's it! I've HAD it! FailureToCommunicate Apr 2012 #6
And we are having cow for lunch nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #8
Chicken and fish Spoonman Apr 2012 #22
Yes, and you can cook the salmonella thank you nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #23
Quick do something! It's a Prionity!!!!!!! HereSince1628 Apr 2012 #12
Hmm... Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #13
Wow, damn. No media coverage of that nationally. Corporations won't allow it. freshwest Apr 2012 #14
I think there was surveillance program for classic and variant CJD run by Case Western U and CDC HereSince1628 Apr 2012 #48
Check the memory hole ... Nihil Apr 2012 #67
I work with a woman who uses "human waste" on her vegetable garden. kaiden Apr 2012 #15
Does anybody know if we resumed testing after the Bush years? Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #17
Great question. My guess is no and yes. nm rhett o rick Apr 2012 #18
Gross Megahurtz May 2012 #74
serious and sobering news unionworks Apr 2012 #16
actually, if they caught it they did NOT drop the ball Kali Apr 2012 #31
Taking your sports analogy a step further kentauros Apr 2012 #33
Do you even know any USDA food inspectors? ag_dude Apr 2012 #35
No, I don't. kentauros Apr 2012 #43
It's pretty much irrelevant but where do you want them to come from? ag_dude Apr 2012 #44
I'd rather they all came from academia kentauros Apr 2012 #56
I never said there's no such thing. ag_dude Apr 2012 #57
Not outright stated but certainly implied kentauros Apr 2012 #58
+1 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #46
Beef - especially brains must be avoided now. n/t cosmicone Apr 2012 #19
damn....I just bought a months supply of head cheese....n/t unkachuck Apr 2012 #62
head cheese is pork -- you're ok n/t cosmicone Apr 2012 #66
I wonder if this could be connected....... Smilo Apr 2012 #20
I m SO GLAD I am a vegetarian RebelOne Apr 2012 #21
Ya ever notice how a head of cauliflower kinda looks like a brain? benld74 Apr 2012 #24
Let me just say don't panic yet people. Mr.Turnip Apr 2012 #27
It's a DAIRY cow ag_dude Apr 2012 #30
I agree with your comment about the inspectors above, and I know the system worked to catch this Kali Apr 2012 #47
I do, and I am as well. ag_dude Apr 2012 #49
I just sent some stuff to the sale for Thursday Kali Apr 2012 #52
It's been nice here in Texas the past few months ag_dude Apr 2012 #54
What ag sector do you work in? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2012 #59
Guess the California cows aren't so happy after all. geardaddy Apr 2012 #34
The freaking out over this makes me think of a chapter from Thinking Fast and Slow ag_dude Apr 2012 #39
That would make swimming pools far more dangerous 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #45
Vegetarianism Changed Me Life marias23 Apr 2012 #41
It changed mine also. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2012 #61
IIRC, *'s USDA blocked private mad cow testing. n/t BadgerKid Apr 2012 #42
Pink Slime is what is putting mad cow into our food! angstlessk Apr 2012 #50
Frankly, we could have been able to cure Prion diseases by now...... AverageJoe90 Apr 2012 #72
I agree..cancer could be cured if there weren't so much money to be made 'curing' it angstlessk May 2012 #73
Cheaper Steak on the horizon..! IamK Apr 2012 #51
heh heh heh. progressoid Apr 2012 #53
More info. Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #60
Is this a surprise to anyone? salin Apr 2012 #63
Only that the report made it out this time. Nihil Apr 2012 #68
ONE cow with mad-cow disease in CA? TygrBright Apr 2012 #64
Beef lovers might enjoy a drop in prices. . . CenaW Apr 2012 #65
Feed cows cows and this is what you get....nt Evasporque Apr 2012 #69
Two major South Korean retailers halt sales of US beef Eugene Apr 2012 #70
AH 1, AH 2, AH 3, Take me out to the ball game, Steve get me some budweiser. sarcasmo Apr 2012 #71
If you think it was just one lone cow who never got into the system...you're crazy n/t schmice May 2012 #75
For every one found taught_me_patience May 2012 #76
 

tech_smythe

(190 posts)
25. actually that helps
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 04:50 PM
Apr 2012

there's a M A S S I V E cow farm/etc in that area that serves a good chunk of the US.
It means go local until this blows over.
Hell you should buy locally anyway for a ton of reasons.

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
26. It means go local until this blows over.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 04:55 PM
Apr 2012

Well, the problem is I live in "Central California".

Thats why I wanted more specifics than that linked article provided.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
28. Doesn't look like it's Harris Ranch
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 04:59 PM
Apr 2012
The first U.S. case of mad cow disease in six years has been found in a dairy cow in central California,

Questrion: Is BSE transmitted through milk?

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
10. I hope that more is reported because this isn't too informative at all. I live in northern
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 03:10 PM
Apr 2012

California and eat meat BUT I eat either Halal or Kosher which doesn't use feed that contains contaminants, (GRASS and grain). I still need to find out more.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,012 posts)
6. That's it! I've HAD it!
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 03:06 PM
Apr 2012

I'm voting "Democrat" in hopes of keeping the USDA (among other things that are good)

Thought I was gonna say I was going vegetarian? Nope lots of problems there too without USDA.

http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?navid=FOOD_SAFETY

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
8. And we are having cow for lunch
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 03:07 PM
Apr 2012


Well that's it, we are on a future chicken and fish diet.

I will not risk pryons...
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
23. Yes, and you can cook the salmonella thank you
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 04:32 PM
Apr 2012

as long as you use precautions, and farmed fish actually does not have those issues with mercury.

This is an infected brain... and the death from this is terrible

Baitball Blogger

(46,698 posts)
13. Hmm...
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 03:19 PM
Apr 2012

Someone locally just died of CJD. I don't know which kind. I believe she was under sixty. It happened very quickly. In a matter of a month.

I read that at least 16 people a year die in Florida of CJD, not the mad cow version. The question will be if the CDC is keeping accurate records.

BTW, I'm not sure that they keep tabs of data for people who die of it over 55.

Here are some links that I looked up the other day.

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/cjd/detail_cjd.htm

http://www.doh.state.fl.us/disease_ctrl/epi/htopics/popups/cjd.htm

Just looked it up in the obits in today's paper. She was 52.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
48. I think there was surveillance program for classic and variant CJD run by Case Western U and CDC
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 06:21 PM
Apr 2012

and that it conducted the lab work to confirm prions in all suspect cases.

I'm not sure what the status of that program is.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
67. Check the memory hole ...
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:25 AM
Apr 2012

... and I mean the politically-caused ones not the CJD-caused ones ...

When responsible farmers are prevented by law from labelling their tested produce
as "safe" in order to protect the profits of the irresponsible farm conglomerates
(who neither test nor produce safe meat) then ...



kaiden

(1,314 posts)
15. I work with a woman who uses "human waste" on her vegetable garden.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 03:36 PM
Apr 2012

She goes to a county wastewater treatment plant (a county in which meth labs, etc. are located) and she buys bags of the stuff for a buck a piece. Now, I don't care how many times you "treat" waste, the stuff humans eat (with hormones, etc.) and the stuff with which we medicate and houseclean -- all that crap goes down the drain and then is "composted." If she brings tomatoes to work, I'm not eating them. The gist is yes, you can get CJD from eating beef that has been fed the intestines of other animals (mostly sheep) which gives the cow scrapies which, in turn, becomes BSE or mad cow. It would be easy to transfer those prions to people . . .

Baitball Blogger

(46,698 posts)
17. Does anybody know if we resumed testing after the Bush years?
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 03:42 PM
Apr 2012

Or did this cow just present symptoms, and that's how they caught it?

 

unionworks

(3,574 posts)
16. serious and sobering news
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 03:42 PM
Apr 2012

Those responsible for a safe food supply have really dropped the ball on this....

Kali

(55,007 posts)
31. actually, if they caught it they did NOT drop the ball
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 05:22 PM
Apr 2012

it would be nice to have some real info, though. I hate these PANIC NOW stories. (especially involving our food supply - which despite those same frequent headlines, is pretty damn safe)

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
33. Taking your sports analogy a step further
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 05:25 PM
Apr 2012

those same agencies hired their referees from the same companies they are supposed to regulate. The USDA is filled with people that used to work in the food and agriculture "industries".

Or, they "protect their own" to borrow a recently used phrase.

ag_dude

(562 posts)
35. Do you even know any USDA food inspectors?
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 05:27 PM
Apr 2012

Because I know six and not one of them fits the description you just gave. They all started with the USDA right out of college.

Just for the record, the USDA found the cow and reported it.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
43. No, I don't.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 05:54 PM
Apr 2012

My only source of information on this subject is the news (Pacifica, The Nation, The Texas Observer, Jim Hightower, et cetera) over the last few decades I've been paying attention to this kind of thing. My analogy stands, tho. Because "referees" also applies tothe regulators whom we KNOW come from the industries.

ag_dude

(562 posts)
44. It's pretty much irrelevant but where do you want them to come from?
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 06:01 PM
Apr 2012

I say irrelevant because it just doesn't work the way you seem to think it does. The career process is almost always reversed from what you seem to be describing.

Very few people go into private industry and then become inspectors for the USDA. The food inspector positions are typically the kind of thing where you go into it, get experience, and then get a job in the industry based on your experience.

Regardless, those 'referees' that you seem so bent on disparaging are the ones that caught the problem and reported it, at a very direct and deep cost to the industry.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
56. I'd rather they all came from academia
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 07:50 PM
Apr 2012

as with the ones you know. I am primarily refering to the people at the top as I said before. There's still room for criticism of the lower echelons, though.

Yes these inspectors caught this one. And yet, from those same sources I listed, I have also read of inspectors allowing things to go through whatever process with clear regulatory violations. This tells me that there is corruption in the system.

Unless you are trying to infer there's no such thing because you know six of them personally?

ag_dude

(562 posts)
57. I never said there's no such thing.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 08:05 PM
Apr 2012

I do know the industry and the career paths people follow. It comes from experience as opposed to listening to political news sources.

You however have made repeated hyperbolic claims that are not the slightest big grounded in reality.

Corruption in a government bureaucracy? Shocking. This must be isolated to the beef industry of course.

Get real, that's no reason to throw the hard working USDA food inspectors WHO IDENTIFIED, STOPPED, AND REPORTED A CASE OF MAD COW DISEASE TODAY AT SEVERE COST TO THE INDUSTRY YOU ARE CLAIMING OWNS THEM under the bus.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
58. Not outright stated but certainly implied
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 08:19 PM
Apr 2012

in your previous posts to me.

It also appears that merely reading reports from LIBERAL sources isn't good enough for me. In order to have an informed opinion on this subject I must know people in the business instead. Right.

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
20. I wonder if this could be connected.......
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 04:11 PM
Apr 2012
http://www.organicconsumers.org/madcow/coverup011005.cfm

Possible Cover Up of Human Mad Cow Disease in California
-- Public health officials have ruled out the human version of mad cow disease as the cause of death for a California man, but the man's neurologist told United Press International the man had several symptoms of the fatal disease and questions remain about the case.
Patrick Hicks, 49, died late last year at Reche Canyon Health Care Center in Colton, Calif., as first reported by UPI in November. Upon Hicks' death, Dr. Ron Bailey, a neurologist at Riverside Medical Center in Riverside, Calif., who treated him, arranged for a sample of his brain to be sent to the National Prion Disease Pathology Surveillance Center in Cleveland. NPDPSC is funded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to analyze brain specimens for possible variant Creutztfeldt Jakob disease, a fatal condition humans can contract from eating beef
products infected with the mad cow pathogen.
"Clinically, the case did look like it was variant CJD -- no question about that," Bailey told UPI.

Mr.Turnip

(645 posts)
27. Let me just say don't panic yet people.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 04:56 PM
Apr 2012

We have cases of Mad Cow in the U.S. every few years but nothing major has come of it yet, there is no reason to believe this will be any different at this moment.

Kali

(55,007 posts)
47. I agree with your comment about the inspectors above, and I know the system worked to catch this
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 06:05 PM
Apr 2012

but if you know anything about the beef industry, then you know full well a hella lot of hamburger is from dairy animals...

(and I am a rancher so this is serious stuff to me)


ag_dude

(562 posts)
49. I do, and I am as well.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 06:21 PM
Apr 2012

If you notice, that was my first reply, learned the whole story afterward.

Evidently she was a borderline downer and thus in the high risk category that gets checked.

Kali

(55,007 posts)
52. I just sent some stuff to the sale for Thursday
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 06:43 PM
Apr 2012

damn! on the other side of the coin, if prices crash meat in the store isn't going to be so insane (haven't seen hamburger under $3/lb for months - even with the pink slime BS.

been seeing 4 and 500 lb calves going for well over $2

ag_dude

(562 posts)
54. It's been nice here in Texas the past few months
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 06:54 PM
Apr 2012

Finally got rain and the prices were up above that $2 mark.

Now that prices are coming back down, it's stopped raining, and now this. Good times.

ag_dude

(562 posts)
39. The freaking out over this makes me think of a chapter from Thinking Fast and Slow
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 05:35 PM
Apr 2012

about how people focus so intently on small numbers.

There were 29 deaths worldwide due to BSE last year.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
45. That would make swimming pools far more dangerous
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 06:03 PM
Apr 2012

than beef.

I wonder if the same people freaking out of this have such a visceral reaction to the sight of a large body of water.

/the USDA did it's job. They caught this and responded appropriately. So . . . lets all panic?

marias23

(379 posts)
41. Vegetarianism Changed Me Life
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 05:44 PM
Apr 2012


One of the best things I ever did was give up meat - not only to avoid contaminants (antibiotics, feed additives, etc.) but because of the great new dishes I found. The cookbook "American Wholefoods Cuisine's 1300 recipes changed my life.
 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
72. Frankly, we could have been able to cure Prion diseases by now......
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 10:56 PM
Apr 2012

....if the medical establishment wasn't so damn crooked and incompetent. n/t

Baitball Blogger

(46,698 posts)
60. More info.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:28 PM
Apr 2012

I just picked up with a lot of hedging words. I won't be happy until they take a sample testing.

- - - - - - - -
However, fears of a potential backlash among consumers and big importers of U.S. beef fueled a sell-off in Chicago live cattle futures, with memories still sharp of the first case in 2003 that caused a $3 billion drop in exports. It took until 2011 before those exports fully recovered.

There is no evidence that humans can catch mad cow -- or Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE)-- from drinking the milk of an infected cow. The risk of transmission generally comes when the brain or spinal tissue is consumed by humans or another animal, which did not occur in this case.

snip

"I would say this is an extremely isolated, atypical event," said Dr. Bruce Akey, professor of veterinary medicine and director of the Animal Health Diagnostic Center at Cornell University, which tests for Mad Cow and Chronic Wasting diseases for New York state and several Northeastern states.

"There is still no evidence at all that BSE is anything but an extremely rare event in the United States, and nothing that poses a threat to the human or animal food chain."



http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2012/04/trayvon-martin-remains-top-story-with-public-poll-finds.html

salin

(48,955 posts)
63. Is this a surprise to anyone?
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 10:00 PM
Apr 2012

Really? In the last "scare" several smaller niche organizations (think organic) proposed testing all of their animals. The Dept of Ag (under Bush) prevented this move. The big, corporate operations didn't want to risk the cost of testing all animals.

Big point to Free Marketers:

The big corporate operations wanted the gvt to prevent smaller operations from testing and fueling a market-based program to prevent Mad Cow disease. If the smaller operations were willing to take on the cost of testing every cow - and the enough of the public was willing to pay the higher cost for the meat that was certified as testing, then that would be an example of the free market working. If not enough people were willing to pay the extra cost, than those companies wanting to test and certify that all cows were free of the disease, would either fail or find the practice economically infeasable.

But those operations working to serve the niche operations were prevented from doing so. Why? Because the fed govt in the form of the Dept of Agriculture prevented such programs and advertising.

This ruling was not in the public interest. It was anti free markets (as preventing to even see if those companies willing to take on the added cost could turn a profit). The ruling only served the interest of big corporate operations who didn't want to risk that the small operations might earn more customers and thus might force them to take on the cost of testing each animal.

This story is an object lesson on two levels. The first and most obvious that our contemporary govt discourages the free enterprise system, and second that lobbying money to protect business interests trumps the public good both from the executive and legislative branches of govt.

Our system is broken.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
68. Only that the report made it out this time.
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:33 AM
Apr 2012

"But, as you see, it's a beautiful day, the beaches are open and people are having
a wonderful time. Amity, as you know, means 'friendship'."

TygrBright

(20,756 posts)
64. ONE cow with mad-cow disease in CA?
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 12:41 AM
Apr 2012

How about the couple of hundred alleged humans with mad-human disease in Congress?

proportionately,
Bright

Eugene

(61,855 posts)
70. Two major South Korean retailers halt sales of US beef
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:50 AM
Apr 2012

Source: BBC

25 April 2012 Last updated at 09:50 GMT

Two major South Korean retailers halt sales of US beef

Two of South Korea's biggest retailers have halted sales of US beef after the discovery of a case of "mad cow" disease in the US.

Lotte Mart and Home Plus have temporarily suspended sales at their stores after a dairy cow in California was found infected with the disease.

Meanwhile, South Korean authorities said they will step up checks on beef imports from the US.

South Korea imported 107,000 tonnes of beef from the US in 2011.

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Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17821764
 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
76. For every one found
Tue May 1, 2012, 08:34 PM
May 2012

I'm sure hundreds were not and made it into the food supply. Good thing I don't eat cow brains.

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