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Eugene

(61,874 posts)
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 09:48 PM Mar 2015

Arizona governor says he has signed abortion bill into law

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - Arizona's Republican governor, Doug Ducey, said on Monday he has signed into law a controversial measure blocking women from buying insurance that includes abortion coverage through the federal healthcare exchange.

The fiercely debated bill also requires doctors to tell women they could possibly reverse the effects of a drug-induced abortion, a claim that critics have called "junk science."

The measure cleared the Republican-controlled state legislature last week, largely along party lines.

"The American people overwhelmingly oppose taxpayer funding of abortions, and it's no different in Arizona, where we have long-standing policy against subsidizing them with public dollars," Ducey said in a statement after signing the measure on Monday. "This legislation provides clarity to state law."

(Reporting by David Schwartz in Phoenix, Arizona; Writing by Eric M. Johnson; Editing by Eric Beech)


Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/31/us-usa-congress-abortion-idUSKBN0MR01F20150331



US | Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:32pm EDT
PHOENIX | BY ERIC M. JOHNSON

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Arizona governor says he has signed abortion bill into law (Original Post) Eugene Mar 2015 OP
And the Conservatives say homegirl Mar 2015 #1
disgusted k and r for needed visibility niyad Mar 2015 #2
I agree with you about this odious man and his odious new law. But I have a question also. PatrickforO Mar 2015 #12
it means kicked and recommended eom (end of message) mrmpa Mar 2015 #15
nevermind, they beat me to it. Volaris Mar 2015 #16
This might help: Suich Mar 2015 #18
I keep reading this: Suich Mar 2015 #3
Ever since Roe v. Wade a majority had opposed tax money for abortions. former9thward Mar 2015 #20
This American supports women's rights Marthe48 Mar 2015 #4
I simply don't understand how they can make a blanket law to tell WOMEN SoapBox Mar 2015 #5
Even this Supreme Court can't confirm this law. George II Mar 2015 #7
"The American people overwhelmingly oppose taxpayer funding of abortions"???? George II Mar 2015 #6
Exactly! SoapBox Mar 2015 #11
54% oppose tax money for abortions. former9thward Mar 2015 #21
and yet, a majority of americans also support a woman's right to have an abortion. niyad Mar 2015 #29
There is quite a difference in the two. former9thward Mar 2015 #30
amazingly enough, some of us actually understand the difference. and we also know how the niyad Mar 2015 #31
Yes, the old "the polls don't reflect what I think so they must be wrong" former9thward Mar 2015 #32
nice try. niyad Mar 2015 #33
They just want women to die shenmue Mar 2015 #8
They want women to die Geronimoe Mar 2015 #9
That's exactly it. Because no woman can ever truly be free, to paraphrase Margaret Sanger, PatrickforO Mar 2015 #13
Why would you mention Sanger on DU? former9thward Mar 2015 #22
Because it's a great quote. And it is true. PatrickforO Mar 2015 #27
I wanted to go back to live in AZ PumpkinAle Mar 2015 #10
And, because you're female, you don't deserve compassion. raven mad Mar 2015 #14
WTF?! sakabatou Mar 2015 #17
This gives me yet another reason to keep boycotting Arizona. Racist politicos, LuckyLib Mar 2015 #19
Do you realize how many decades it's going to take to undo all the shit they are pulling? jmowreader Mar 2015 #23
How can a STATE block its citizens from buying insurance from a FEDERAL exchange? Grins Mar 2015 #24
By requiring the state insurance comission to require all insurance companies to drop coverage.. Angleae Mar 2015 #25
So now STATES have an official religion too? HockeyMom Mar 2015 #28
Abortion coverage is not required under ACA. Angleae Mar 2015 #36
Aaah, BUT HockeyMom Mar 2015 #37
The law in question only prohibits abortion coverage. Angleae Mar 2015 #38
Another state I just consider as a territory to avoid in all ways I can. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #26
So, now it's legal to lie to a woman about reversing an abortion? herding cats Mar 2015 #34
Boycott Arizona! Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #35

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
12. I agree with you about this odious man and his odious new law. But I have a question also.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 11:30 PM
Mar 2015

I'm pretty new here, and I keep seeing K and R. Can you tell me what that means and how to do it when I like a post? Thanks!

Suich

(10,642 posts)
3. I keep reading this:
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 09:57 PM
Mar 2015

"The American people overwhelmingly oppose taxpayer funding of abortions."

Are there any polls anywhere that support this?

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
20. Ever since Roe v. Wade a majority had opposed tax money for abortions.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 01:30 AM
Mar 2015

The Hyde amendment which prohibits tax money for abortions has existed for decades and has been supported by a majority of Democrats and Republicans.

CNN Poll: Wide divide over abortion

A CNN/ORC International survey also indicates that a majority opposes taxpayer money being used to pay for abortions for women who can't afford the procedure, with Americans split on whether women who receive government subsidies for health insurance should be able to get a plan that covers abortions.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/06/cnn-poll-wide-divide-over-abortion/

Marthe48

(16,945 posts)
4. This American supports women's rights
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 10:02 PM
Mar 2015

Please please please ACA do an end-run around this kind of ass-backward law.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
5. I simply don't understand how they can make a blanket law to tell WOMEN
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 10:03 PM
Mar 2015

that they can't select a policy that includes abortion?!?

Can a man buy that policy?

How can this shit be legal?

George II

(67,782 posts)
6. "The American people overwhelmingly oppose taxpayer funding of abortions"????
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 10:36 PM
Mar 2015

And where was THAT poll?

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
30. There is quite a difference in the two.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:57 AM
Mar 2015

Not contradictory at all. Also a majority do not support abortion on demand. That has never been the case. Only 28% support abortion under any circumstances. 50% support abortion under certain circumstances.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/170249/split-abortion-pro-choice-pro-life.aspx

niyad

(113,277 posts)
31. amazingly enough, some of us actually understand the difference. and we also know how the
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:09 PM
Mar 2015

polls are framed.

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
32. Yes, the old "the polls don't reflect what I think so they must be wrong"
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:49 PM
Mar 2015

Why people are so insecure in their beliefs that they must have the majority agreeing with them I don't know. I believe in a number of things the majority does not. I don't care. And I certainly don't say the polls are wrong if they show a majority does not agree with me.

I sure you will supply some polls that show these polls are wrong....

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
9. They want women to die
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 10:58 PM
Mar 2015

Of back alley abortions, because they will never legislate away a woman's right to self govern her own body.

Here again we find Republicans wanting to get between you and your doctor.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
13. That's exactly it. Because no woman can ever truly be free, to paraphrase Margaret Sanger,
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 11:33 PM
Mar 2015

unless she has control over when and under what circumstances she will become a mother.

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
22. Why would you mention Sanger on DU?
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 01:39 AM
Mar 2015

She believed in a master race and believed in using abortion to create it.



As part of her efforts to promote birth control, Sanger found common cause with proponents of eugenics, believing that they both sought to "assist the race toward the elimination of the unfit." Sanger was a proponent of negative eugenics, which aims to improve human hereditary traits through social intervention by reducing the reproduction of those who were considered unfit. In “The Morality of Birth Control,” a 1921 speech, she divided society into three groups: the educated and informed class that regulated the size of their families, the intelligent and responsible who desired to control their families however did not have the means or the knowledge and the irresponsible and reckless people whose religious scruples "prevent their exercising control over their numbers.” Sanger concludes “there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped.”Sanger's eugenic policies included an exclusionary immigration policy, free access to birth control methods and full family planning autonomy for the able-minded, and compulsory segregation or sterilization for the profoundly retarded.In her book The Pivot of Civilization, she advocated coercion to prevent the "undeniably feeble-minded" from procreating. Although Sanger supported negative eugenics, she asserted that eugenics alone was not sufficient, and that birth control was essential to achieve her goals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

A disgusting individual.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
27. Because it's a great quote. And it is true.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:27 AM
Mar 2015

The fact Sanger was for eugenics, which many people were at the time, at least before Hitler showed the world what eugenics taken to its logical conclusion looked like, doesn't take away from the fact she was a powerful feminist. But, if you don't like Sanger, then try Gloria Steinem:

If you say, I'm for equal pay, that's a reform. But if you say. I'm a feminist, that's a transformation of society.

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
19. This gives me yet another reason to keep boycotting Arizona. Racist politicos,
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:58 AM
Mar 2015

and women-hating legislation. It's all from the same Republican cloth.

Grins

(7,217 posts)
24. How can a STATE block its citizens from buying insurance from a FEDERAL exchange?
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:12 AM
Mar 2015

How can a STATE block its citizens from buying insurance from a FEDERAL exchange? It's not their exchange and it's not their money, so how?

This reminds of the red states voting for nullification laws that are clearly unconstitutional.

Angleae

(4,482 posts)
25. By requiring the state insurance comission to require all insurance companies to drop coverage..
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:43 AM
Mar 2015

for abortions from all policies.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
28. So now STATES have an official religion too?
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:08 AM
Mar 2015

They can also opt out of the Women's Health Services under the FEDERAL ACA because it is against their religion? Look for legal challenges to this one in Federal Courts.

Angleae

(4,482 posts)
36. Abortion coverage is not required under ACA.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 06:51 PM
Mar 2015

Only the following

Ambulatory patient services
Emergency services
Hospitalization
Maternity and newborn care
Mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment
Prescription drugs
Rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices
Laboratory services
Preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management
Pediatric services, including oral and vision care

http://www.healthedeals.com/articles/what-are-aca%E2%80%93required-essential-health-benefits

The state can mandate all insurance policies to cover or not cover anything that is not otherwise required or prohibited by federal law.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
37. Aaah, BUT
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 06:55 PM
Mar 2015

Contraceptive coverage IS, and many of these extreme religious fundies, consider the ordinary Pill, Morning After Pill, to be early abortions also. Next?

Angleae

(4,482 posts)
38. The law in question only prohibits abortion coverage.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:56 PM
Mar 2015

Contraceptive coverage would not be affected, regardless of what fundies think. The morning after pill, however, could go either way depending on what the courts decide it is.

But then again, there's the Hobby Lobby case providing "religious exemptions"

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
34. So, now it's legal to lie to a woman about reversing an abortion?
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 01:03 PM
Mar 2015

The politicians have lost their freaking minds in Arizona.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
35. Boycott Arizona!
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 01:46 PM
Mar 2015

This legalizes drug companies to order doctors to lie to their patients about the drugs they may need to use. This law opens the "free-market" fascist corporate/government partnership floodgates.

And takes basic rights away from women. More bigotry from the gop.

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