Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:09 PM
brooklynite (85,462 posts)
Swarens: Gov. Mike Pence to push for clarification of ‘religious freedom’ law
Source: Indianapolis Star
Gov. Mike Pence, scorched by a fast-spreading political firestorm, told The Star on Saturday that he will support the introduction of legislation to “clarify” that Indiana’s controversial Religious Freedom Restoration Act does not promote discrimination against gays and lesbians. “I support religious liberty, and I support this law,” Pence said in an exclusive interview. “But we are in discussions with legislative leaders this weekend to see if there’s a way to clarify the intent of the law.” The governor, although not ready to provide details on what the new bill will say, said he expects the legislation to be introduced into the General Assembly this coming week. Asked if that legislation might include making gay and lesbian Hoosiers a protected legal class, Pence said, “That’s not on my agenda.” Read more: http://www.indystar.com/story/opinion/columnists/tim-swarens/2015/03/28/swarens-gov-mike-pence-push-clarification-religious-freedom-law/70611906/
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brooklynite | Mar 2015 | OP |
RKP5637 | Mar 2015 | #1 | |
mpcamb | Mar 2015 | #39 | |
Botany | Mar 2015 | #2 | |
George II | Mar 2015 | #13 | |
MrModerate | Mar 2015 | #3 | |
Zorra | Mar 2015 | #4 | |
Fred Sanders | Mar 2015 | #6 | |
lark | Mar 2015 | #52 | |
Scairp | Mar 2015 | #53 | |
Sienna86 | Mar 2015 | #36 | |
silvershadow | Mar 2015 | #5 | |
central scrutinizer | Mar 2015 | #7 | |
YOHABLO | Mar 2015 | #8 | |
RKP5637 | Mar 2015 | #18 | |
The Jungle 1 | Mar 2015 | #42 | |
RKP5637 | Mar 2015 | #43 | |
totodeinhere | Mar 2015 | #9 | |
cheapdate | Mar 2015 | #10 | |
RKP5637 | Mar 2015 | #45 | |
Lobo27 | Mar 2015 | #11 | |
Beartracks | Mar 2015 | #26 | |
Skittles | Mar 2015 | #12 | |
smirkymonkey | Mar 2015 | #50 | |
Post removed | Mar 2015 | #14 | |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody | Mar 2015 | #15 | |
murielm99 | Mar 2015 | #16 | |
RKP5637 | Mar 2015 | #46 | |
swimboy | Mar 2015 | #17 | |
shenmue | Mar 2015 | #19 | |
Gothmog | Mar 2015 | #20 | |
McCamy Taylor | Mar 2015 | #21 | |
William769 | Mar 2015 | #22 | |
roamer65 | Mar 2015 | #23 | |
SoapBox | Mar 2015 | #24 | |
DallasNE | Mar 2015 | #25 | |
alcibiades_mystery | Mar 2015 | #27 | |
DFW | Mar 2015 | #28 | |
dhill926 | Mar 2015 | #49 | |
Scairp | Mar 2015 | #29 | |
DallasNE | Mar 2015 | #31 | |
caraher | Mar 2015 | #40 | |
rpannier | Mar 2015 | #30 | |
father founding | Mar 2015 | #32 | |
Lifelong Protester | Mar 2015 | #33 | |
Cryptoad | Mar 2015 | #34 | |
captainarizona | Mar 2015 | #35 | |
Trillo | Mar 2015 | #44 | |
smirkymonkey | Mar 2015 | #51 | |
BumRushDaShow | Mar 2015 | #37 | |
Paladin | Mar 2015 | #38 | |
maindawg | Mar 2015 | #41 | |
bigworld | Mar 2015 | #47 | |
tomsaiditagain | Mar 2015 | #48 | |
goldent | Mar 2015 | #54 |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:14 PM
RKP5637 (64,849 posts)
1. He's only concerned about the potential loss of $$$$'s, doesn't give a shit about LGBT and
equality! These guys are so hollow!
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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #1)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 08:46 AM
mpcamb (2,692 posts)
39. Kinda stepped in some deep nasty stuff, didn't they?
He and the legislature got it tracked all over the place, and now that $$$$ losses are involved they're looking for a way out.
I can't help smiling. |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:17 PM
Botany (67,297 posts)
2. "to clarify the intent of the law"
seems pretty clear to me ... bigots can tell gay people that they don't like them
and that they will not show them any respect because they think that their God will give 'em an extra comfy couch in heaven after they die. |
Response to Botany (Reply #2)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:54 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
13. The legislature may "clarify" the law to the point of being MORE explicit about the discrimination!
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:17 PM
MrModerate (9,753 posts)
3. Seeking a do-over without actually . . .
Doing anything over.
That's going to make him look weak-kneed to his troglodyte fans without fooling sane people into thinking he's anything but a rank homophobe (and the legislature too, of course). |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:21 PM
Zorra (27,670 posts)
4. Clarification: "Democrats in the General Assembly tried several times to add language
to the measure that would have provided explicit protections from discrimination based on sexual orientation, but those efforts were rebuffed."
To make it a little bit more clear for Gov. Pence: [font color="blue" size="12" face="face"]"Democrats in the General Assembly tried several times to add language to the measure that would have provided explicit protections from discrimination based on sexual orientation, but those efforts were rebuffed." [/font] http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/25/gov-mike-pence-sign-religious-freedom-bill-thursday/70448858/ Thank you. That is all. ![]() |
Response to Zorra (Reply #4)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:28 PM
Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)
6. Yes. Pence is lying again because the lazy and timid media let him do it, seldom asking the tough questions.
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #6)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 04:22 PM
lark (22,172 posts)
52. Indeed he has an impossible task.
How does he clarify that this doesn't discriminate when that's the exact intent and he totally believes in discriminating against LGBT folks.
They didn't do this in a vacuum and voted down all attempts to actually end the discrimination, because that's the exact point of the bill. Crazy ![]() |
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #6)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 04:55 PM
Scairp (2,749 posts)
53. They did today
He just will not answer.
#mikepenceisacoward |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:25 PM
silvershadow (10,336 posts)
5. Hopefully this will sink his career instead of springboard it. His delusional
Presidential aspirations should never, ever get even close. I hope the nation has been paying attention to just how not fit he is. I would sooner vote Glenda Ritz President than he.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:32 PM
central scrutinizer (11,241 posts)
7. Weak
Too little and far too late. Own it you assholes.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:33 PM
YOHABLO (7,358 posts)
8. It's really sad when it becomes an issue about Indianapolis's economy, and not rights.
In a capitalistic world the only thing that resonates is money. Not justice nor civil rights.
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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #8)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:10 PM
RKP5637 (64,849 posts)
18. Capitalism is a pathetic system for civil rights. Only money has civil rights, people, not so
much. Everything is gaged in monetary worth.
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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #18)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 09:43 AM
The Jungle 1 (3,831 posts)
42. sweet irony
The thing is, capitalism will destroy this stupid law. The irony is truly sweet.
"The only problem with capitalism is the capitalist". HH Bottom line capitalism is a great economic system but it demands tight government control. We as a country are failing on the control part of the equation. We the people actually have way more power than we understand or use. Our vote is one side of our power pie but our vote is marginalized by the rich and their money. The other part of our power is our spending. 70% of our economy is based on consumer spending. If we would use our spending power there is no telling what we could get done. Boycotts work and companies fear them. We could pick one oil company and put them our of business. Then we could demand the other oil companies play fair! Same story for banks and insurance companies. We have the power. |
Response to The Jungle 1 (Reply #42)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 09:45 AM
RKP5637 (64,849 posts)
43. Well said!!! n/t
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:41 PM
totodeinhere (12,718 posts)
9. Nothing less than total repeal of that law and it's replacement with a law that
guarantees LGBT rights in employment and housing and other areas is acceptable. Until that happens the boycott should continue.
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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #9)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:46 PM
cheapdate (3,811 posts)
10. Amen to that!
Response to totodeinhere (Reply #9)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 09:48 AM
RKP5637 (64,849 posts)
45. Agree !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:47 PM
Lobo27 (752 posts)
11. So what happens when....
A Muslim or someone of another religion says I don't want Christians here.
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Response to Lobo27 (Reply #11)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 12:06 AM
Beartracks (12,087 posts)
26. I was wondering this, too. Perhaps Pence will seek more "clarification." n/t
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:52 PM
Skittles (148,476 posts)
12. why doesn't he say exactly what rights he is giving to religious freaks
Response to Skittles (Reply #12)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 02:18 PM
smirkymonkey (63,221 posts)
50. Seriously! Where does it say in the bible that providing
good and services to people whose lifestyles/religions you disapprove of "substantially burdens" your ability to practice your faith?
I don't think it does, therefore I would like them to come up with some logical justification for this law because all I can see is very thinly veiled hatred and bigotry. |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:11 PM
ProudToBeBlueInRhody (16,399 posts)
15. I'm sure it's only to make sure Muslims can't discriminate n/m
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:50 PM
murielm99 (29,629 posts)
16. Or, if you don't like someone wearing a hijab,
a skullcap, or dressed like a Hasidic Jew, you can tell them that you won't serve them? Is that what can happen with this law?
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Response to murielm99 (Reply #16)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 09:50 AM
RKP5637 (64,849 posts)
46. It sure looks that way. Looks like it's open discrimination on anyone, just take your pick and
then justify it with your religion.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:57 PM
swimboy (7,232 posts)
17. Please proceed, Governor.
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:16 PM
shenmue (38,399 posts)
19. Dude, shut up
U stupit.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:18 PM
Gothmog (126,415 posts)
20. Boycotts can work
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:20 PM
McCamy Taylor (19,240 posts)
21. Indiana needs to be punished otherwise other states will try the same thing.
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:23 PM
William769 (52,908 posts)
22. Kicking & recommending hoping that he is not blowing smoke up our asses.
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:30 PM
roamer65 (33,926 posts)
23. Indiana now equals a waste of gasoline on my way to Chicago.
No money gets spent there. Period. Not even on the Indiana Toll Road.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:42 PM
SoapBox (18,791 posts)
24. Push all you want Gov. Hate...
You signed it...you and the legislature OWN IT.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:53 PM
DallasNE (7,261 posts)
25. Ready, Fire, Aim
How could Gov. Mike Pence not see this coming? This is a self-inflicted wound Indiana and Pence are facing. Indeed, I can see the legislature having major problems finding support to "clarify" the law because it says exactly what they intended for it to say.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 12:35 AM
alcibiades_mystery (36,437 posts)
27. We have people even on this board spreading LIES like Illinois has the same provisions
BULLSHIT, troll-ass liars!
Illinois has TWO provisions, RELEVANT PROVISION 1: You cannot discriminate against a wide variety of classes of person, in business or for accommodations, etc. Among those classes are LGBT persons. The state has a compelling interest in prohibiting such discrimination. RELEVANT PROVISION 2: For any matter where the state DOES NOT have or CANNOT show a compelling interest, the state cannot require you to act against your religious beliefs. The two provisions work together, the first limiting the second, and the second covering any ground not covered by the first. Here's the thing: INDIANA ONLY HAS THE SECOND (some of but not all of the other states, too). What Mike Pence is going to push the legislature for is RELEVANT PROVISION 1, which Indiana currently DOES NOT HAVE. That's why people who tell you that there are 20 states with the same law as Indiana are either liars or ignorant shitheads. The boycott pressure is calling on Indiana to pass RELEVANT PROVISION 1 so that RELEVANT PROVISION 2 becomes the toothless piece of shit that it should be. Fucking BOYCOTT them mercilessly until they, um. CLARIFY. |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 12:48 AM
DFW (50,505 posts)
28. "Clarification" as defined in the Indiana Republican dictionary:
Clarification, n. 1.) A backtracking statement that will staunch the flow of businesses leaving or avoiding Indiana, 2.) A move to slow the millions of derogatory comments and/or cartoons directed at Indiana, its legislature or its governor, 3.) A desperate move to save any ghost of a chance that Mike Pence might have of remaining a dark horse possibility for getting the Republican nomination for president in 2016, 4.) A Hoosierese term for "Uh-oh, did we ever fuck up!"
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Response to DFW (Reply #28)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 11:52 AM
dhill926 (15,313 posts)
49. haha...
well done!
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 12:51 AM
Scairp (2,749 posts)
29. This guy is really stupid
Apparently, it only just dawned on him that this is indeed something many people won't take kindly to, whether they be gay or not, and that perhaps in his zeal to kowtow to all the bigots and racists that elected him he failed to take into account that Indiana isn't an island, that they have to deal with the rest of the country, who may not want to deal with them anymore because of this horrible law. DUH.
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Response to Scairp (Reply #29)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 01:28 AM
DallasNE (7,261 posts)
31. Asa Hutchinson Set To Sign Same Bill In Arkansas
Arkansas doesn't have as much to lose as Indiana but it will still hurt them in the same way it has already hurt Indiana. Pence is about to find out that putting the toothpaste back in the tube is no easy task.
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Response to Scairp (Reply #29)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 08:55 AM
caraher (6,230 posts)
40. He is genuinely stupid
He just relies on most of the electorate being ill-informed. Which is too true for the most part in Indiana.
One miscalculation on his part was that Indiana depends on interaction with the rest of the country. It's not enough to pander to your base, and he just learned that the hard way. |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 01:19 AM
rpannier (23,952 posts)
30. Allow me to try
If I read the law correctly, I can deny any person or group because it offends my deep-seated religiousness
Therefore, if I'm a Bob Jonesey type, I can discriminate against mixed race couples. |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 01:30 AM
father founding (619 posts)
32. whats discrimination ?
Is it OK to discriminate against Devil Worshipers ?
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 01:31 AM
Lifelong Protester (8,421 posts)
33. Keep digging, sh**-for-brains
You're not in a deep enough hole....
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 04:22 AM
Cryptoad (8,254 posts)
34. Intent?
Geeez,,,, Intent has nothing to do with what the law allows......... Do they really believe all these BS ? Hell Ive got a dog who smarter than this!
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 05:36 AM
captainarizona (363 posts)
35. He is trying to fool people
Don't let up on the pressure! He is trying to fool the gullible who need an excuse not to join the boycott. He will say some self serving B.S. like the bill doesn't discriminate against anyone it just protects religious freedom for all. Freedom to do what! Discriminate against gays! He should be asked to give examples how gays would not be discriminated against if they wanted a wedding cake from a homophobe.
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Response to captainarizona (Reply #35)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 09:46 AM
Trillo (9,154 posts)
44. Yeah, that was my first thought. NT
Response to captainarizona (Reply #35)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 02:23 PM
smirkymonkey (63,221 posts)
51. However he is too mind-numbingly stupid to pull it off.
Shut it asswipe, nobody's buying.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 07:47 AM
BumRushDaShow (109,668 posts)
37. That was fast. He's not gonna "stand up for his principles"?
![]() ![]() Boycotts DO work. Sometimes it takes awhile, but in a capitalistic country where money is worshiped, that is the tool to use to make them act while the litigation winds its way through the courts. These GOP governors and/or legislatures are incrementally trying to see how far they can go before the courts take them down, and with the SCOTUS the way it is, they have been able to go pretty far. |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 08:26 AM
Paladin (26,529 posts)
38. Kiss your presidential ambitions good-bye, Pence.
This gay-bashing action you signed off on will follow you around for the rest of your life. Serves you right.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 09:07 AM
maindawg (1,151 posts)
41. I always love it
when repukes are forced to double down on their hate by the bigots who fund their elections. They all must bow to their bigoted masters. That party is a mess.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 09:51 AM
bigworld (1,805 posts)
47. Apparantly he's on ABC's "This Week" and totally muffing it.
Can't wait to see the clips.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 09:54 AM
tomsaiditagain (105 posts)
48. Controlling you is the main issue
Our ruling parties are all for the world becoming a corporate run slave labor union.
These kinds of issues keeps your focus away from the New World Order coming to fruition. Give the people something to fight about... |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 10:30 PM
goldent (1,582 posts)