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Tue Mar 24, 2015, 05:25 PM

 

Fraternities Lobby Against Campus Rape Investigations

Source: Bloomberg News

College fraternities and sororities, concerned that students accused of sexual assault are treated unfairly, are pushing Congress to make it harder for universities to investigate rape allegations.

The groups' political arm plans to bring scores of students to Capitol Hill on April 29 to lobby for a requirement that the criminal justice system resolve cases before universities look into them or hand down punishments, according to an agenda reviewed by Bloomberg News.

"If people commit criminal acts, they should be prosecuted and they should go to jail, said Michael Greenberg, leader of 241-chapter Sigma Chi, one of many fraternities participating in the legislative push.

The Fraternity & Sorority Political Action Committee, or "FratPAC,'' and two other groups will ask Congress to block colleges from suspending all fraternities on a campus because of a serious incident at a single house. In addition, the Greek representatives want a rule against "any mandate'' for chapters to go co-ed.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-24/fraternities-lobby-against-campus-rape-investigations

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Reply Fraternities Lobby Against Campus Rape Investigations (Original post)
dariomax Mar 2015 OP
cosmicone Mar 2015 #1
dariomax Mar 2015 #3
NRaleighLiberal Mar 2015 #4
dariomax Mar 2015 #5
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NRaleighLiberal Mar 2015 #2
Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #6
radicalliberal Mar 2015 #7
dbackjon Mar 2015 #8
hack89 Mar 2015 #9
24601 Mar 2015 #10
Midnight Writer Mar 2015 #15
24601 Mar 2015 #17
rpannier Mar 2015 #16
hack89 Mar 2015 #18
Journeyman Mar 2015 #11
ninjanurse Mar 2015 #12
Demit Mar 2015 #13
happyslug Mar 2015 #14
dariomax Mar 2015 #19
AngryAmish Mar 2015 #20

Response to dariomax (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2015, 05:28 PM

1. In other news

 

bank robbers organize to lobby against dye packs and surveillance cameras.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 24, 2015, 05:30 PM

3. Fraternities want police to investigate

 

Your analogy was awful. I think that you thought that fraternities want nobody to investigate.

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Response to dariomax (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 24, 2015, 05:34 PM

4. it is quite a horrible headline Bloomberg used - extremely misleading

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 24, 2015, 05:51 PM

5. True

 

There are two types of investigations in this case: university-led and police-led; yet the Bloomberg editors seek clickbaits and outrage by pretending that there is a desire to blunt both types.

However, people who only read headlines are much more vulnerable to be mislead.

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Response to dariomax (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2015, 05:30 PM

2. .

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Response to dariomax (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2015, 05:57 PM

6. wtf - that headline

 

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Response to dariomax (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2015, 06:01 PM

7. Another reason for me to despise fraternities and sororities. I've always felt negative about them.

With the exception of the service ones, they're mostly cliques composed of nothing but social climbers who look down on others. They mock the original meaning of the word "fraternity," which means brotherhood. They're anything but . . .

The fraternities and sororities should do a bit of housecleaning instead of lobbying Congress, but they're too busy singing racist songs and telling rape jokes. The rape problem has been going on for decades, but they have chosen to do absolutely nothing about it. They shouldn't be given the time of day by any member of Congress, but I'm sure the Republican majority will give them what they want. After all, the conservatives deny there's ever been a problem of campus rape. They claim most of the claims of rape are lies.

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Response to radicalliberal (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 24, 2015, 06:02 PM

8. Did you bother to read the article?

 

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Response to radicalliberal (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 24, 2015, 06:03 PM

9. They are calling for the police and not universities to investigate rapes

what could possibly be wrong with that?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 24, 2015, 06:10 PM

10. There really needs to be both. First, Police need to investigate whether laws have been violated.

Second, after criminal jeopardy is no longer an issue, universities should violate whether their own rules have been broken.

National Fraternity/Sorority investigations also have an interest investigating of their bylaws were violated.

But withhold all identities - victims and accused until an investigation substantiates a violation.

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Response to 24601 (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 25, 2015, 01:32 AM

15. Universities should be able to act first

A criminal investigation can take months or years. If the university deems a student to be a risk to the safety of other students, they should act immediately. If the student thinks he has been treated unfairly, he can sue and let the courts sort it out.

For example, the University of Oklahoma racist song case. No law was broken, and a police investigation would be meaningless. But do you truly believe the university should not have taken action?

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 25, 2015, 05:29 AM

17. So in three minutes, the police look at the tape and say - we're done, there's nobody going to jail.

Nobody's 5th amendment rights are in play unless the school grants similar protections for non-criminal matters. Over to you University for administrative action.

Conversely, consider a case when a school takes premature action and students are affected - and months later the police have no case, and the school has no case. Nothing left here but to compensate those who were dragged through the mud inappropriately.

If names had been withheld until substantiation, nothing to remediate.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 25, 2015, 02:46 AM

16. Universities allow them charters

Universities can be sued in court
Universities bear the brunt of the bad public relations that comes with it

Ask a group of 1000 random people about any criminal behavior in a dorm or Greek House. Ask them to tell you about it. They remember the school, not the fraternity or sorority

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Response to rpannier (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 25, 2015, 06:07 AM

18. So the universities should investigate rapes instead of the police?

that is the question. The answer seems obvious to me.

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Response to dariomax (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2015, 06:13 PM

11. What an incredibly misleading headline -- utter bullshit. They aren't making any such demand. . .

If anything, the Fraternities and Sororities (FratPAC) want better, more thorough investigations. They don't want misleading investigations that are unduly influenced by university concerns and administrative fears.

Eh, Bloomberg. Your go-to source for biased bullshit.

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Response to dariomax (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2015, 06:17 PM

12. Freeloaders

How about universities stop expecting the majority of students to subsidize a club that defines itself by exclusivity?

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Response to dariomax (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2015, 07:48 PM

13. FratPAC has a full-time lobbyist in DC?

 

"Ten-year-old FratPAC, which has raised about $2.1 million in donations for congressional candidates, invites students every year to Capitol Hill to lobby for tax breaks for fraternity houses. In 2012, it fought against federal anti-hazing legislation."

"Beginning April 27 in Washington, the fraternity groups will provide two days of training to the student lobbyists, who will then split into small groups for visits with lawmakers and their aides. Members of congress, including recipients of FratPAC donations, will speak at its April 29 dinner."

Quite the professionals already, it seems.

And fighting against anti-hazing legislation? Wow. Quite the agenda, too.

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Response to dariomax (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2015, 08:34 PM

14. You miss the most important paragraph

 

The U.S. Education Department requires colleges to investigate complaints and discipline students found responsible for sexual assault. University disciplinary boards can take action, including suspensions or expulsions, far more quickly than courts and, unlike criminal proceedings, don't require a finding "beyond a reasonable doubt.'' To sanction a student, allegations must be found more likely than not to be true.


The law today still requires something called "Evidence" but the Universities can do something the Police can not, remove the alleged rapist away from the school. All the Police can do is tell the VICTIM to leave the school.

Furthermore since the School only needs to show, by preponderance of evidence that the rape occurred, the "Hearing" on that issue can be done quickly and you do not need a jury for it is internal to school. (i.e, the head of the school, after looking at the evidence, can say there is enough evidence to kick the rapist out of the school. No jury maybe even a trial, but evidence is still required.

Remember you do NOT have a right to go to any school beyond high school. Thus the school you are end can tell you to leave for any reason or no reason if the school decides it is better for the school for you to be elsewhere. This can be done within days or weeks, while a criminal investigation can take months due to something called "Due Process" for when it comes to CRIMINAL charges someone can go to jail, so you have increase demands of evidence AND increase demands on how it is determined if someone did a criminal act (i.e. you have the right to an attorney and a jury).

The fraternities want to change the present rules, to one that before anyone of them can be disciplined, the case has had to go through the whole criminal process, which can take months. By the time the criminal charges are finished, the victim has been generally driven from the school do the presence of the rapists and his frat brothers. Thus the Department of Education adopted the rule that the School MUST investigate and if the SCHOOL determines that the rape occurred to rapist away from the victim by telling the rapist he is no longer permitted in the school.

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Response to happyslug (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 25, 2015, 06:32 AM

19. we all knew that

 

A new law is being sought.

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Response to happyslug (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 25, 2015, 06:42 AM

20. No due process, even in a public school?

 

"Remember you do NOT have a right to go to any school beyond high school. Thus the school you are end can tell you to leave for any reason or no reason if the school decides it is better for the school for you to be elsewhere."

What if a public school decides to expell all gingers? Or Democrats?

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