Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani could be hanged in Iran (for adultery)

[alp227]

An Iranian woman whose sentence of death by stoning for adultery provoked an international outcry could be executed by hanging instead, the country's judicial authorities have indicated.

Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, a 44-year-old mother of two, was convicted of conducting an "illicit relationship outside marriage" in 2006 and has since been kept in Tabriz prison in the west of Iran.

Malek Ajdar Sharifi, the head of the judiciary in East Azerbaijan, said on Sunday that the prison does not have the "necessary facilities" to carry out the sentence of stoning. Therefore, he said, authorities are considering hanging as an alternative.

According to Sharifi, an investigation has been launched to determine whether it is legally and religiously possible to go ahead with the hanging instead of stoning. "As soon as the result of the investigation is obtained, we will carry out the sentence," he said in quotes carried by the semi-official Isna news agency.

full: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/26/sakineh-mohammadi-ashtiani-hang-iran

[TheWraith]

1. I guess you're supposed to be less dead if you're hanged instead of stoned?

[Deep13]

3. I guess suffocating for 20 minutes is not as bad as being bludgeoned by rocks.

Because that is how people are: sadistic, authoritarian control freaks.

[TheWraith]

4. Actually, it probably IS more humane if done right.

The point of dropping someone when you hang them is to snap their neck, making death instantaneous.

That said, personally I'd still be more put out over being executed over bullshit than how they were going to do it. Dead is dead.

[tabasco]

7. That's not how the insane Iranian nutbags like to do it.

Sometimes they use a crane to pull the victim off the ground.

[TheWraith]

27. Of course. Why did I think they'd do ANYTHING the humane way?

(Bangs head)

[Posteritatis]

25. Iranian hangings are slow by design. (nt)

[WinkyDink]

34. A broken neck is swift; death by rocks, not so much.

[Deep13]

2. Necessary facilities?

There's a wrong way to throw rocks at someone?

Making adultery a crime: cruel, backward, misogynistic, evil.

(Also, throwing someone in prison for decades because of something that could have been prevented with mental health services: cruel, backward, puritanical, evil.)

Why the fuck do so many people think that the fact that women have sex is some kind of existential crisis?

Even if they don't murder her--five years in prison for THAT?!

[McCamy Taylor]

6. Probably can not find enough people to throw the rocks

I am willing to bet that being photographed stoning a woman for adultery would automatically bar one from immigrating to any number of desirable first world countries or getting accepted to a foreign college.

[Mercury Dime]

9. Now maybe I'm old fashioned but....

...I think keeping people who stone others to death out of our country is a good thing.

[CJvR]

12. Clan thinking.

Murder might be unpleasant, but at least it is nothing to be embarassed about. Most primitive societies consider murder a relatively minor crime, in many cases punishable by fines or blood money. Property crimes tend to be looked at much more harshly and female fidelity is a form of property crime. Having your wives/daughters/other female property screwing around without your consent is a massive loss of face and the kind of things that can trigger clan wars.

[Prometheus Bound]

5. 10 years for murdering her husband and death for the adultery part?

In paragraph 11 they mention, sort of as an aside, that she was also convicted for involvement in the murder of her husband.

[Mercury Dime]

8. Quick !! Someone remind me .....

.... how all cultures are the same and all should be respected.

[alp227]

10. Welcome to DU! THINKING liberals don't think that way.

As much as I despise the modern Republican Party and want all the frontrunners out of reach of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave come 2012 (Buddy Roemer's alright, that's a whole 'nother story), I won't support the "mindless multiculturalism" straw argument by the right wing Townhall.com columnists that you just described. And neither will anyone with critical thinking skills.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

11. PPR = Poster Planted & Rotting

[alp227]

14. i thought the poster was being satirical

[A-Schwarzenegger]

15. "Tea bagger troll"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=279354&sub=trans

[TahitiNut]

17. That hackneyed strawman should be buried under the same tombstone as you.

[Deep13]

21. Treating women like adult persons is morally surperior...

...to treating them like children, property, livestock or evil satanic temptresses.

I am not for a second suggesting that Western societies are above criticism, but not stoning people for adultery is definitely a win in their column.

[markbark]

22. Wow...

Five posts in eight minutes before tombstoning.... is that some kind of record?

[stevenleser]

32. For here maybe. I was zotted on FR in less than a minute.

[99th_Monkey]

13. As tragic as this is

I can't help but wonder if this is designed to elicit outrage and support from the Left
for invading and punishing those despicable Iranians for their Sharia Law ways.

[TahitiNut]

16. (Hmmm..) I wonder if they'd be interested in my ex-wife.

I know, VERY poor taste.

[Ruby the Liberal]

18. Poor taste is an understatement.

[happyslug]

19. She was also convicted of aiding in the murder of her husband.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakineh_Mohammadi_Ashtiani

Her case is a mess, I suspect a good bit of local politics is involved (She is a Azeri tribe, a distinct tribal and language group within Iran and Azerbaijan) she is an Iranian Citizen. What is the exact politics involved I can NOT find, might be inner-family (Most people in the Middle East still view their extended family, their Clan, and the most important social group they are a member of, their tribe is next, it is an extension of their Clan, the country their are in is secondary to their tribe, in many ways this is how the Middle East differ from the West), Might be inner-tribal, might be between the Azeri and the Iranian Governing groups, I can NOT find anything to say what type of Politics, but I suspect it has nothing to do with what is occurring overseas, but internal, and NOT even at the Central Government Level. If she is Innocent, or guilty of anything I can not determine, but the charges against her is more then just adultery and even the US still execute Murders even if the Murder is under an additional charge of adultery.

Just a comment that the charges she is being executed for committing is for Murder in addition to charge of Adultery. This case is a mess.

[Boston_Chemist]

20. US public opinion is being softened with stories like these.

This is Pysops.

[Shoe Horn]

23. Your post is psyops from Iran.[nt]

:p

Just kiddin'.

My original post title was gonna be:
'I thought China was the only country that manipulated their citizens through the media?'


Then I was gonna post this snazzy pic of this dude freakin out like this:
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It was gonna be a really killer post. truss me, bro. Also:
'Weapons of mass distraction: soft power and American empire'

[Boston_Chemist]

24. Americans live in a hologram.

I found that concept initially via Joe Bageant (Deer Hunting with Jesus), and then realized that it goes back to the French Situationists.

[Shoe Horn]

26. Of course, that's what Iran wants us to think.

As for the French Situationists? ------>'Piffle!', says I.
Typical anti-capitalists. Plus, they're French.

If it's not art, food or accordion... they're out of their element.

[Boston_Chemist]

28. I can't tell if you are just trying to waste my time, but anyways:

Yes, these stories serve as softeners for the natural public resistance to military aggression. I do not support the death penalty, neither here in the USA, nor there in Iran. Nor even in China.

As an American I will choose to exert my political expression in an arena where it will be most effective. And certainly not counterproductive, like joining the hate hour brigade, chanting slogans against the evil Iranian spectre that is looming over the middle east. I can't sort out where your posts fit into this context.

What is the purpose of your slightly mocking tone?

[Shoe Horn]

29. Yeah, we agree, the media is owned and directed.

I hate the internet. Only the most basic attempts at humor translate over this medium.

No, I'm not mocking you. Thought we were in on the same joke. Ribbing each other.
Obviously I was mistaken. Again.

My mistake, sorry.
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[Boston_Chemist]

30. I am a humorless person, actually.

And posting pictures like those distract readers, I find them to be potentially disruptive.

[Odin2005]

33. Barbaric!