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Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:37 PM

BREAKING: Obama Vetoes Keystone XL Pipeline Bill

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Source: Associated Press

AP: White House has informed Senate that President Obama has vetoed Keystone XL pipeline bill

Defying GOP, Obama Vetoes Keystone XL Pipeline Bill

Update at 3:37 PM
By: JOSH LEDERMAN

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama has vetoed a Republican bill forcing construction of the Keystone XL oil pipeline.

The White House sent notice of the veto to the Senate on Tuesday, shortly after the bill was received at the White House. It's the third veto of Obama's presidency.

The move puts a freeze on a top GOP priority, at least for now. It also reasserts Obama's authority over a project that's become a flashpoint in the national debate about climate change.

Congressional Republicans may try to override Obama's veto, but have yet to show they can muster the two-thirds majority in both chambers that they would need. Sen. John Hoeven, the bill's chief GOP sponsor, says Republicans are about four votes short in the Senate and need about 11 more in the House.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/congress-sends-keystone-bill-obama-plans-veto-29181671

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:39 PM

1. Just saw on CNBC

woo-hoo!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:39 PM

2. Thanks, Obama!

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:41 PM

3. Thank you, Mr. President!!!

Great job with the veto pen

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Response to perdita9 (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:24 PM

47. Thanks, Obama!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:43 PM

4. Another DU prognostication goes poof! n/t

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:45 PM

8. Spot on!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:49 PM

10. Well thank God you're here to remind everyone

 

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Response to demwing (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:25 PM

64. .

I'm sure that you are not expresssing "sour grapes", but your post certainly makes it look that way.

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Response to blue neen (Reply #64)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 08:22 PM

73. it sure does!

Folks regularly point out how some DUers are usually naysayers and there's nothing wrong with that.

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Response to demwing (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 10:44 PM

87. Wouldn't want it to go unnoticed ...

 

as so many DU adamant prognostications do.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #87)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:03 AM

99. How could it possibly go unnoticed

 

when you're on the job?

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Response to demwing (Reply #99)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 08:09 AM

112. Does that mean I get a promotion for meritous service?n/t

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:32 PM

28. The Combustible Hair Club will not be amused.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:11 PM

41. the veto can in no way be attributed to public outcry against the pipeline though, amirite?

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Response to frylock (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:19 PM

43. In this case, the public outcry made the assumption that Obama would approve the pipeline

 

...too bad the hair on fire crowd couldn't have seemed to be more supportive of a veto that was likely all along.

Self congratulations in this case seems really stupid.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 08:33 PM

75. One would have to be prognosticator to have guessed what Pres Obama would do.

 

Those that spoke out were exercising their obligation to participate in government. Whether the outcry influenced the Pres, you don't know any better than I. Bravo for the President for doing the right thing. Bravo to those that spoke out like free Americans participating in democracy. Not so much for those that blindly follow and accept whatever the President does and disparaging those that don't view the President as a faultless idol.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #75)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 10:58 PM

89. There is a difference between "exercising (ones) obligation to participate in government ...

 

and the DU "He's gonna approve it! I know he will! You just watch there corporatist sell us out again!"

Not so much for those that blindly follow and accept whatever the President does and disparaging those that don't view the President as a faultless idol.


Read: I was wrong ... again. But at least I was expressing my independent wrongness; unless like those that were exercising their independent rightness."

Is it completely incomprehensible to you that those (of us) arguing that President Obama would not approve Keystone XL, based that not on "idol" worship; but rather, on our own independent assessment of the circumstances?

Are you that ... arrogant?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #89)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 01:08 AM

105. When one blindly follows the President, eventually they will get one right. Do you feel he will get

 

it right on fracking? Or the Patriot Act? How about continuing the war in Afghanistan after he said it was ended? I contended with my "arrogance" that he won't do the right thing with regard to the TPP, but that his blind followers really don't care. They will commend him how ever it turns out.

Calling me "arrogant" is a technique used to insult and attempt to minimize me. Not cool for a liberal message board. It signifies the desperation.

Tell the President that we don't want another killer "Free" Trade Agreement. They are killing the middle and lower classes. Not that his followers care.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #105)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 08:23 AM

113. Okay ... you were wrong ... again. Move on to your next outrage ...

 

and stop casting your outrage as some historic, monumental act of political courage, strike for FREEDOM.

ETA: So I guess your answer on the arrogance question is a resounding, "Yes."

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #113)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:46 PM

130. ok...that actually made me lol

 

how correct and funny can one short post be?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #105)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 08:23 AM

114. .

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #105)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:47 PM

132. When one blindly and constatnly critises the President, eventually they will get one right.

 

see how that works?

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #132)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:56 PM

135. But who's keeping score? n/t

 

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #132)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 02:30 PM

144. And what criticism did I post for the President about the XL Pipeline?

 

I may have criticized his lack of taking a stand earlier.

Some have noting to offer but blind acceptance and disparage those that feel it's our right to both speak out as to what we want the President to do and to criticize him when he takes different actions. That's our obligation as citizens, not blindly worshiping everything he does.

I applaud the president for this action but will continue to try to influence his support for fracking. Do you me promulgating my opinion of fracking is wrong or "blind criticism"? Do you have an opinion on fracking?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #144)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 03:46 PM

151. you made a statement, I turned it around. Simple n/t

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #89)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 02:03 AM

106. "Blindly follow the President"... LOL, it really gets their goat that the President has supporters

on DU.. tough nuggies.. if they want to talk about "blindly following".. I got two ******* words for them.. glenn greenwald.

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Response to Cha (Reply #106)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 03:10 PM

147. Blindly follow means always agreeing with everything he says and disparaging thosethat dare not to.

 

When I agree with the president I will say so. I agree with this action on the pipeline. Now if we could only get him to change his stand on fracking and drone killing.

I support following principles and not personalities.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #75)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:45 PM

128. No, really? The hair on fire prognisticaiton was simply wrong. The guessing was wrong.

 

so you are telling me I am supposed to support that type of action? no thanks.

Ranting isn't the same thing as making the wishes of the public known. Ranting, guessing, blaming and assuming before an event has even occurred isn't the way I participate. And I will call it out when I do see it. It's exactly what the RW nutters do, I expect more from the Dems.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 11:26 PM

93. and guess what? This ain't over by a LOOOOONG Shot. O will be signing IF the repukes gives him

 

what he wants on an alternative energy bill. Once the repukes delivers, O will sign.

there's no story here, yet.

it's a twinkle twinkle little star.. look at the shiny thingy over there.

if the repukes don't deliver, O likely won't be signing. but not because he gives a shit one way or the other on that matter.

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Response to 2banon (Reply #93)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 11:34 PM

96. Okay. We get it ...

 

you don't believe the veto is a veto.

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Response to 2banon (Reply #93)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:17 AM

100. OMG!



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Response to frylock (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:43 PM

52. well, that's one reason the crowers will ignore

 

along with the conditions underwhich it was vetoed.

It's not like he killed it by himself at the end of the process some thought he might not.

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Response to frylock (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:02 PM

58. So you use this to be negative even in these situations

Maybe he signed other bills you didn't like for the same reason. It was just other people.

Funny how people who don't like him won't give him credit when he does what they want. Yet when he does what you don't want, that's on him and not the people who might have "pushed" him to do those things.

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Response to frylock (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:10 PM

60. urrite. Obama ain't runnin' agin.

 

I give him credit where due, I don't think the outcry was particularly loud or widespread.

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Response to frylock (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:59 PM

71. Article says, "Obama's veto doesn't mean the end of the Keystone debate."

"Obama could still approve the project on his own authority, although he has suggested that its environmental impacts would outweigh any economic benefits."


I'm hoping that he will not reverse his veto. But article goes on to say this process is ongoing with no deadline.

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Response to midnight (Reply #71)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 11:02 PM

90. True ...

 

republicans, along with some Democrats, could over-ride his veto.

I didn't know they is a constitutional mechanism for a President to reverse his veto.

The things we learn on DU!

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Response to midnight (Reply #71)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:13 PM

125. that's what I tried to point out. This battle isn't over by a long shot.

 

Anyone who thinks otherwise aren't paying attention.

The veto was on the issue of procedures as opposed to the principles involved in the bill.

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Response to 2banon (Reply #125)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:54 PM

134. no...the ability to override a veto ISN'T what you were pointing out

 

you were explaining how Obama will change his mind and sign on the dotted line when the Reps provide him with concessions.

it's called a walk back.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:19 PM

44. It's all part of his secret plot to approve the pipeline.

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Response to Liberal Veteran (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 10:19 PM

82. Well,you can put NPR and PBS in the Tin Foil Hat Source Box, because that's what THEY reported

 

today.

This is just a political dog and pony show. Obama will be signing a bill approving Keystone at some point, he doesn't particularly give a damn when he does it.

He just wants the repukes to give him something he wants wrt to energy alternatives as a quid pro quo to his signing on an approval. And this is how he's playing it out.

They're not there yet. that's all.

That pipeline is going through, on Obama's watch. one way or the other.

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Response to 2banon (Reply #82)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 11:05 PM

91. The DU Double down! ...

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #91)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 11:34 PM

95. Did I just read that?!

I knew when he vetoed the pipeline few would congratulate him. Instead, as you stated, the DU double down.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #95)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 08:07 AM

111. Yep ...

 

I have the perfect analogy ... but will refrain.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #111)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 09:43 AM

119. That is probably wise. nt

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:33 PM

66. Bingo

DU is littered with a ragged trail of false prophecies.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 08:35 PM

76. I wish I was keeping count.....If I only had a dollar for every time Obama disappointed some

 

poor prognosticators on DU!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #76)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 09:34 PM

80. LOL ...

 

if every working class American had a dollar every time Obama disappointed some poor prognosticators on DU ... we wouldn't be having this DU income inequality fight!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 10:26 PM

84. not quite dude. This is just being played out for a quid pro quo. it's going through and O will

 

will sign at some point when he gets what he wants. (some sort of alternative energy bill as a trade off he can hold up to the cameras) O's not in any hurry.

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Response to 2banon (Reply #84)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 11:07 PM

92. Wait ...

 

are you now saying that President Obama IS playing multi-dimensional chess?

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Response to 2banon (Reply #84)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 10:32 AM

121. Can the dipshits override the veto?

n/t

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Response to Myrina (Reply #121)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:06 PM

123. ???

 

Is this intended as a serious question, or did you forget the sarcasm thingy?

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Response to Myrina (Reply #121)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:37 PM

126. The reporting suggests that ...

 

there aren't the votes to over-ride the veto.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 11:27 PM

94. Yup!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 11:53 PM

98. Did anyone predict otherwise?

 

That would be weird, since the President's been clear that he'd veto it as soon as Republicans started talking about it.

Can you provide a link?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #98)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 08:27 AM

115. No Manny ...

 

No one at all.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #115)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 08:33 AM

116. Then why did you claim otherwise?

 

Trolling?

Or are you unclear as to what Obama just vetoed?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #116)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 08:53 AM

117. Are you telling me that there where not "swarms" on DU ...

 

that did not post predictions that President Obama would (had always intended to) approve the Keystone XL project?

And you are doing that ... with a straight face ... even as there are people in this very thread arguing (in true DU fashion) "He will approve it ... you just wait!"?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #117)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 09:02 AM

118. Are you sure you understand what was vetoed? nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #118)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 01:09 PM

136. Yes ...

 

He vetoed a bill that would have declared the pipeline approved, ending the administration’s review of the project. And he did so based on a respect for the constitutional separations of powers, that secures to the executive branch the authority to review, and determine, international matters of national interest ... in this case, determining whether or not building and operating a cross-border pipeline serves the national interest.

And as I indicated in response to another post in this thread ... I, actually, think that was a great response ... It's a lot like a commitment-phobic suitor telling his/her lover, I promise that I'll marry you ... when the timing is right. The suitor hasn't jilted his/her lover; but, any thinking person would know it's no where near time to buy the gown/tux.

ETA: And it is likely, the not-quite jilted lover will waste more time and energy, trying to make the timing right.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #98)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 02:24 PM

143. A link? Really?

 

You post here constantly. You're telling me you cannot recall anyone at DU predicting that Obama is so thoroughly owned by big oil that he would NEVER veto this bill?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #143)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 03:41 PM

150. Yup.

 

I probably would remember it, because anyone who predicted it would have been silly - IIRC, the President has said from the start that he'd veto this effort.

But if I'm wrong, by all means show us a few examples.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #150)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 05:00 PM

154. Fine. You should do your own research, but here's a start:

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026273253

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023023018#post4

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026147247

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026158059#post7

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014509929#post33

This was pretty easy, Manny. It took me all of 5 minutes to find these, and there are plenty more.

(For the record, I have no doubt that maybe as much as one-third of these came from rightwing idiots who reside on a site you and I know quite well.)

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #154)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 06:20 PM

155. Not a single one of those links seems to predict that

 

Obama would sign that bill into law.

I'll take another look later, but I don't see anything that you claim. If you disagree, pick one to start with and I'll respond to that specific one.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 03:38 AM

108. Obama plays Rope A Dope a lot

and I think a lot of people are afraid he's the one who is going to get roped in one of these days.

I'm glad he vetoed this stinker of a Koch Industries welfare project. I hope it sticks.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 10:05 AM

120. If only another DU prognostication really had gone poof. But sadly no it didn't.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026274244



White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Obama’s rejection was strictly about the legislation and not the project. It’s “certainly possible” that Obama would eventually approve the pipeline once a State Department review is completed, he said, without giving a timetable.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #120)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:44 PM

127. And it's "certainly possible" that ...

 

republicans will suddenly become pro-civil rights and promote raising taxes on the wealthy.

I, actually, think that was a great response ... it doesn't allow the republicans anything to blame the Administration for.

It's a lot like a commitment-phobic suitor telling his/her lover, I promise that I'll marry you ... when the timing is right. The suitor hasn't jilted his/her lover; but, any thinking person would know it's no where near time to buy the gown/tux.

ETA: And it is likely, the not-quite jilted lover will waste more time and energy, trying to make the timing right.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #127)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 01:29 PM

139. Looks like this can be repeated here to you also. No need to reply,

my question has already been non answered by two of you. Here is a cut and paste of my reply to the other poster

"So is that a denial or a confirmation that another DU prognostication has gone poof?
No, looks like it's just an attempt to change the topic that I addressed. Sorry that's not a game I chose to play. So go on and have a nice day."


You posted to slam DUers and the White House turned it on you. to the WH press secretary for clearing that up

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Response to Autumn (Reply #139)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 01:48 PM

141. It is a confirmation that the DU prognostication that President Obama would approve the Keystone XL

 

project. The veto, which if not issued, would have been a de facto approval, as it would have ended the executive branch's review. That did not happen, i.e., the veto was not an approval.

But as I indicated in the post you responded to ...

I, actually, think that was a great response ... It's a lot like a commitment-phobic suitor telling his/her lover, I promise that I'll marry you ... when the timing is right. The suitor hasn't jilted his/her lover; but, any thinking person would know it's no where near time to buy the gown/tux.

ETA: And it is likely, the not-quite jilted lover will waste more time and energy, trying to make the timing right.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #120)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:50 PM

133. And you know, Larry Summers could boot Janet Yellin right outta there

in order to make yet another failed prophecy actually come true, because DU insists.

Add a helping of retroactively re-instating the Bush tax cuts, chaining that Unchained Melody of a SS CPI, and don't forget the bomb bomb bombing of Iran, and voila! Fixed! All for the ever-vigilant prognosticators.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #133)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 01:20 PM

138. So is that a denial or a confirmation that another DU prognostication has gone poof?

No, looks like it's just an attempt to change the topic that I addressed. Sorry that's not a game I chose to play. So go on and have a nice day.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #138)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 03:01 PM

146. The "topic" in this subthread

is the insistence that something is definitely going to happen... just.... because. "You wait, you'll see."

This has been the overwhelming theme here on DU over the past 6 years because there is a cadre who believes that the current President is a Republican, and nothing - not facts - not proof based on pages of progressive initiatives that were accomplished under his watch, would change their minds.

And thus some examples of what became abject hyperbole were given.

There were many many arguments proffered regarding why Larry Summers would become the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, how Obama would "cave" and not let the Bush tax cuts expire, or how Obama was going to implement the Chained CPI, or was definitely going to bomb Iran because that's what "authoritarians" do.

As I posted upthread, the road is littered with a number of these idiotic pronouncements.

And it's ironic how the same people who mocked "11th dimensional chess"!!111!!1!!!! suddenly embrace it for their own purposes.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:47 PM

131. Another progressive victory;)

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:43 PM

5. Give with 1 hand, and then take away with the other hand (TPP)

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:45 PM

6. Rand Paul would have signed this IMMEDIATELY.

No celebrating for the Rand2016 crowd.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:45 PM

7. I hope Democrats do a proper job educating the public about Keystone and jobs


GOPers will undoubtedly claim this veto is going to cost a gazillion jobs, when in reality there were only going to be about 50 permanent jobs created by Keystone.

In any case I certainly hope that Democrats in both the House and Senate have the guts to stand up for this.

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Response to groundloop (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:31 PM

27. We can try, but the GOP has the media control. n/t

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:49 PM

9. Good on him.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:55 PM

11. Great! Obama means business. We do not need the Keystone Pipeline.

Last edited Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:50 PM - Edit history (1)

Let Canada export its oil from its ports. We don't need that damage to our environment. We are a food producing nation. We need to keep our environment as clean as possible. Our health depends on it.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:33 PM

29. If oil man and Canadian PM Stephen Harper

could get the oil out through BC he would have, but First Peoples court actions have prevented it so far.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:49 PM

33. I made a bad typo in the title of my post. Thanks for your response.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:55 PM

12. It also reasserts Obama's authority over a project that's become a flashpoint in the national debate

 

about climate change.

The veto is more about Obama's authority than about the pipeline.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:58 PM

13. Thank you President Obama! nt

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:58 PM

14. Thank you Mr President! nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:59 PM

15. Haters gonna hate (watch this space)

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:04 PM

16. I will thank him for this! But I'll be vigilant and watching Fast Track and TPP activity too!

 

And will call him out if he does the wrong thing signing either one of those bills (which hopefully the Senate will block him from being able to do).

THANK YOU RON WYDEN FOR STOPPING THE FAST TRACK NEGOTIATIONS IN THE SENATE!

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:19 PM

42. My sentiments exactly! n/t

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #42)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:42 PM

51. If TPP passes, perhaps a TPP tribunal might force us to build the Keystone Pipeline then...

 

If Obama's supporting TPP heavily still, then perhaps that's the ace up his sleeve, and one that we need to make sure never gets played if that is the plan. If putting in place TPP tribunals let's the money people in effect put their own laws, executive actions, and court decisions to get Keystone Oil Pipeline built, then all of this will be for naught.

Those worshipping this victory now should focus on the Senate now and make sure that we have enough Democratic votes to filibuster the Fast Track authority bill if need be, because that may be what's needed to stop TPP.

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #51)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:29 PM

65. Wow, that's some disconnect.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #65)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:36 PM

68. I thank Obama for vetoing Keystone...

 

But he'll seal the deal if we are able to stop TPP and he doesn't try to get it through the Senate to sign it... TPP is a bigger deal, and as I noted has the power to work around so many of these other issues that we think we might be winning battles on today.

I still am trying to understand why he's pushing it behind closed doors.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:05 PM

17. just saw this on Mother Jones

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:05 PM

18. Awesome!

 

Good job.

K and R

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:07 PM

19. Very glad to hear this!

Way to go, Mr. President. Thank you for thinking of more than just the billionaires!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:09 PM

20. Save the pen! ...

 

for the President Obama Library.

this will be a big part
of his legacy.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:10 PM

21. I wonder how long it will be before it's tucked into some funding bill. n/t

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:19 PM

22. YAY!!!

 

- Oh yeah.....



K&R

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:23 PM

23. Yes, this news is great. but...

We need to be wary of those rebublic's because who knows how much arm twisting is going to happen on Dems in both houses. Also, as others have mentioned, lets see where they tuck this into some "must pass" bill. Of course passing a bill in either the Senate or house is problematic...

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:27 PM

24. It's the right thing to do. +1. Excellent. n/t

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:28 PM

25. Wonderful news!!!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:30 PM

26. Aww, shit!! One pissed off guy.

"..... Revelations this past week from his financial disclosure forms that John Boehner invested $10,000 to $50,000 each in seven firms that had a stake in Canada’s oil sands should raise red flags for the House Oversight Committee; especially in light of Boehner’s push to grant a permit for the Keystone XL pipeline ahead of the State Department and EPA studies and reports and the millions big oil spent to hasten its construction. To make ......"

Credit: http://www.politicususa.com/2012/01/22/john-boehner-keystone-xl.html

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Response to El Shaman (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:36 PM

31. !

 



- They don't even try to hide their immorality anymore, do they?

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:35 PM

30. K & R

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:38 PM

32. A happy surprise.

I was expecting something to happen that would lead him to signing the bill.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:50 PM

34. good news! finally!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:51 PM

35. Yes! The first of many!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:52 PM

36. Cool!

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:56 PM

37. Thank Gawd!!!!

The timing delivers an extra punch, too.

No quarter!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:05 PM

38. Good news!!!!!!

That is good news for sure. I hope the Republicans can not reverse the veto. Let the oil go to China or where ever. We do not need a pipeline here when we can just import our oil from overseas. We don't need to get oil from our neighbors. Lets keep oil coming from the middle east and let them have their workers make the money. Our oilfields are making enough as it is.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:08 PM

39. Well done Mr. President

eom

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:10 PM

40. knr

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:22 PM

45. Yayy! Now we need to

 

sign NRDC's petition to veto the entire Keystone XL, not just the bill "forcing" construction. This is a beginning!


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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:24 PM

46. "about four votes short in the Senate..."

Let's see who the traitors will be...

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:25 PM

48. Excellent. K&R nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:33 PM

49. Holy crap!

Woo-hoooo!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:38 PM

50. yabbbbba dabbbbba dooooooooooooooooo!


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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:46 PM

53. Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Obama is the man on this one!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:49 PM

54. Thank you, sir!

😄

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:57 PM

55. Do the Rs have enough votes to override? Guess I should start a poll.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:57 PM

56. Shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

He's been saying he would veto any bill that came up before the full environmental impact report was completed for some time now.

And it does NOT mean that Keystone is dead, even for just his remaining years in office.

If the report comes back as 'minimal impact' or however they phrase it, and Congress sends him another one, there have been no promises that he will veto it at that point in time.

Boehner and McConnell just got greedy, and wanted it ASAP as a trophy on their wall.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:00 PM

57. kick. Bring it.

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:07 PM

59. Obama's statement on the Keystone bill veto...

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:11 PM

61. Thank you Mr. President!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:19 PM

62. thank you Mr. President. nt

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:19 PM

63. SWEET (and I ain't talkin' 'bout crude)!!!! n/t

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:34 PM

67. Is there enough crow to go around?

There sure were a whole lot of people claiming the exact opposite will happen.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:39 PM

69. Thank you Mr. President.

 

Now, when they send a softer bill through, do it again.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:39 PM

70. Excellent

Thanks, President Obama. Credit where credit is due.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 08:01 PM

72. Thank you Obama! Woohoo!

That's why we voted for you!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 08:28 PM

74. Uh huh.. Mahalo "King" Obama!



Thanks Hissyspit

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 08:46 PM

77. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 



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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 08:48 PM

78. Thank you President Obama.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 09:10 PM

79. A certain contingent on DU is hating this news about now..

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 10:17 PM

81. Feels great

to see the good guys win one. Thank you Mr. President Obama!!!!! Kicking the (oil) can, OUT of the road.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 10:24 PM

83. Good news today, very good news.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 10:28 PM

85. Thank you

Obama.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 10:31 PM

86. Friends of the Earth Press Release

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2015/02/24/president-obama-vetoes-kxl-bill



For Immediate Release
Tuesday, February 24, 2015 - 3:45pm


[center]President Obama vetoes KXL bill[/center]

WASHINGTON - President Obama used only his third veto to halt a bill that would force construction of the Keystone XL pipeline. Neither the House nor Senate have enough votes to override the president’s rejection of this controversial project.

Friends of the Earth President Erich Pica issued the following statement:

We thank President Obama for using his third veto to strike the Keystone XL bill. The veto sends a strong message to Congress that the government should represent the interests of the American people instead of Big Oil.

The Keystone XL bill is the first in the Republican leadership’s plan to unabashedly assault our clean air and clean water, during this Congress. The veto follows through on the president’s State of the Union promise to prevent Congress from endangering the health of our children.

We applaud the president’s veto, but encourage him to refuse TransCanada a permit to wreck our planet. Now is the time for the president to reject the entire pipeline.

Note to editors: The State Department is expected to finalize its National Interest Determination memo, and make its final recommendation to President Obama in the coming weeks, paving the way for him to make a final decision.

###

Friends of the Earth is the U.S. voice of the world's largest grassroots environmental network, with member groups in 77 countries. Since 1969, Friends of the Earth has fought to create a more healthy, just world.

[center][/center]

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 10:48 PM

88. Adding my thanks as well! President Obama You are the very best!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 11:44 PM

97. Good news.

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:20 AM

101. Good for Obama. Let's see if they try an override.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:21 AM

102. This is good...

...watch for the Repigs, however, to try to attach it to something else. We need to stay vigilant on this.

But this was a good move. Thank you, President Obama!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:23 AM

103. The man has balls. Show those gop bastards who's boss.

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:24 AM

104. Kick and Hell Yes Recommend!

Thank you President Obama. There was never a doubt in my mind that you would make this so!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 03:37 AM

107. I'm glad. If the Koch boys want it built, let them build it in Canada.

Crossing a major aquifer here so it could be offloaded in Houston and sent overseas was a losing proposition for this country from the get-go.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 06:21 AM

109. I'm glad the President vetoed KXL.

The only people benefiting from KXL were owners of a foreign corporation. So the veto was a No Brainer.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 07:46 AM

110. Thanks Obama!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 10:37 AM

122. reply

glad it was vetoed.

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Response to thepissedoffjackass (Reply #122)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:10 PM

124. welcome to du, great username

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Response to thepissedoffjackass (Reply #122)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:37 AM

156. hello n/t

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:46 PM

129. Progressive win. Thanks everyone!

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 01:18 PM

137. Three Cheers for Obama, everyone mail a Thank You to him for stopping the pipeline

 






This is a great man, thanks Obama

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 01:29 PM

140. Most excellent!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 01:53 PM

142. That's My President, Standing Up & vetoing A Bill That Is Gonna Draw Criticism...

STAND YOUR GROUND PRESIDENT OBAMA

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 02:37 PM

145. Tried to call the WH

….this morning to thank him but the comment line had too long a wait. So I sent a thank you email. The form is on the WH website. All of us should do this because the pro-Pipliners are always very active at such important moments in criticizing the "Socialist" in the WH. Show your support!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 03:10 PM

148. ...and the trains keep derailing.

AP EXCLUSIVE: FUEL-HAULING TRAINS COULD DERAIL AT 10 A YEAR

BILLINGS, Mont. (AP) -- The federal government predicts that trains hauling crude oil or ethanol will derail an average of 10 times a year over the next two decades, causing more than $4 billion in damage and possibly killing hundreds of people if an accident happens in a densely populated part of the U.S.

The projection comes from a previously unreported analysis by the Department of Transportation that reviewed the risks of moving vast quantities of both fuels across the nation and through major cities. The study completed last July took on new relevance this week after a train loaded with crude derailed in West Virginia, sparked a spectacular fire and forced the evacuation of hundreds of families.

Monday's accident was the latest in a spate of fiery derailments, and senior federal officials said it drives home the need for stronger tank cars, more effective braking systems and other safety improvements.

"This underscores why we need to move as quickly as possible getting these regulations in place," said Tim Butters, acting administrator for the Transportation Department's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration.


Until you ban oil shipping in from Canada, you're going to have this happen, the government estimates, 10 times a year. Or build a fancy new pipeline with upgraded safety features and massive government oversight. Republicans say no to the first, and Democrats to the second. So the trains will keep rolling...

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 03:22 PM

149. This is excellent news worth celebrating, marred only by...

people taking at yet another meta opportunity to spew disdain at other DUers instead of appreciating that this is one thing almost all can agree on.

It's as if they can't experience one moment of pure pleasure and satisfaction at good news without immediately stirring in some poisonous spiteful schadenfreude and meta-snark. Proving the Wrongness of The Other becomes far more important than enjoying a possible moment of solidarity.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 03:57 PM

152. Is this the audacity of hope

The xl pipeline could very well be that branch from the tree of knowledge that man-made not God.

Again, God made all sorts of trees grow that were pleasant to the sight and good for food, as well as the tree of life the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

From every tree in the garden you are free to eat but from the tree of knowledge of good and evil you must not eat, that day you eat of it you will certainly die.

Perhaps the message in the bible has value here…

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 04:42 PM

153. Give it a week and the GOP will declare Obama's vetoes illegal.

...just as they have his executive orders.

Just last night I heard a republican congressman rant on about Obama's illegal moves to force immigration reform. His logic was that since the congress is supposed to make the laws, Obama has no constitutional backing to pass any executive orders. Apparently, this is the first that republican ever heard of such a thing. Of course he was elected by voters who maintain a similar grasp of government protocol.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 08:21 AM

157. Wow ... but good!

 

I will admit that I have been in the crowd doubting that Obama would follow through with this
and am very pleasantly surprised that he did it.




As others have pointed out upthread, there is still a very strong need to keep eyes on the ball
e.g.,
> White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Obama’s rejection was strictly about the legislation and not the project.
> It’s “certainly possible” that Obama would eventually approve the pipeline once a State Department review is completed

+ the replies upthread about the chances of the 1%ers (of both parties) sneaking it through as a rider on a major bill.

That said, I am still pleased to be able to say "Sorry, I was wrong on this one.".


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Fri Feb 27, 2015, 08:19 PM

158. The veto is good. Modernize train rails. They can carry much more than just oil.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Mar 1, 2015, 03:27 AM

159. Thanks a LOT, Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I'll bet it's not just Republicans who are pissed off about this. There are people who were so SURE he was gonna "sell us down the river!" and "get in bed with Big Oil!!!" and "Give our national birthright to the Big Corporations...!!!" etc., etc., and so forth.

They'll have to put away those "I told you so" rants and rework them for some other supposed "sin" he has yet to commit...

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