Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:49 PM
lapucelle (15,108 posts)
"The Two Expat Bros Who Terrorized Women Correspondents in Moscow""There’s more than one way to harass women. A raft of men in recent weeks have paid for accusations of sexual harassment with their companies, their jobs, their plum political posts. But one point has been overlooked in the scandals: Men can be belittling, cruel and deeply damaging without demanding sex. (Try sloughing off heaps of contempt with your self-esteem intact.) We have no consensus — and hardly any discussion — about how we should treat behaviors that are misogynist and bullying but fall short of breaking the law. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/the-two-expat-bros-who-terrorized-women-correspondents-in-moscow/2017/12/15/91ff338c-ca3c-11e7-8321-481fd63f174d_story.html?utm_term=.1b6fa04e5675
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lapucelle | Dec 2017 | OP |
4now | Dec 2017 | #1 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Dec 2017 | #2 | |
Nevernose | Dec 2017 | #3 | |
bettyellen | Dec 2017 | #4 | |
kcr | Dec 2017 | #5 | |
lapucelle | Dec 2017 | #8 | |
kcr | Dec 2017 | #16 | |
lapucelle | Dec 2017 | #6 | |
SunSeeker | Dec 2017 | #11 | |
brer cat | Dec 2017 | #12 | |
Nevernose | Dec 2017 | #13 | |
lapucelle | Dec 2017 | #14 | |
mcar | Dec 2017 | #7 | |
SunSeeker | Dec 2017 | #9 | |
sheshe2 | Dec 2017 | #10 | |
lapucelle | Dec 2017 | #15 | |
ehrnst | Dec 2017 | #17 | |
dsc | Dec 2017 | #18 |
Response to lapucelle (Original post)
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 11:33 PM
4now (1,595 posts)
1. Matt Taibbi is a hate filled misogynist
and why Rolling Stone continues to employ him is beyond me.
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Response to lapucelle (Original post)
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 11:39 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (19,523 posts)
2. The two of them were unapologetic monsters.
Pretending it was all an act is simply disingenuous.
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Response to lapucelle (Original post)
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 11:43 PM
Nevernose (13,081 posts)
3. I was never harassed by Matt Taibbi
That’s a direct quote. Believe the women.
He did say some misogynistic shit twenty years ago and was mean to an American reporter, but there is far more to this story. https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/12/the-destruction-of-matt-taibbi.html |
Response to Nevernose (Reply #3)
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:34 AM
bettyellen (47,209 posts)
4. yeah, they just had their careers trashed by assholes....
No big deal.
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Response to Nevernose (Reply #3)
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:16 AM
kcr (15,243 posts)
5. Walker Bragman?
Hahahahahaha
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Response to kcr (Reply #5)
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:43 PM
lapucelle (15,108 posts)
8. Bragboy...
dumped by Salon (along with HA-HA), now a cub reporter at Paste, still grinding the same ax. Next stop...National Enquirer.
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Response to lapucelle (Reply #8)
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 03:21 AM
kcr (15,243 posts)
16. Yes. The two of them are birds of a feather.
I hope Salon dumping them is a step toward improvement. I don't know if they'll ever get back to their prime, but it's something.
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Response to Nevernose (Reply #3)
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 11:48 AM
lapucelle (15,108 posts)
6. I believe victim Kathy Lally of the Washington Post,
the reporter who wrote the article I linked to. She was Ames' and Taibi's target and victim. Here's Ms. Lally's reaction to discovering that she was a "character" in what Taibbi and Ames conveniently choose to characterize 18 years later as a "work of fiction" rather than as the memoir it actually is according to its publisher:
"When “The eXile: Sex, Drugs and Libel in the New Russia” came out, the memoir had a few more surprises in store. 'We dragged . . . Lally’s charred [corpse] through the dust-and-fly-infested streets of our newspaper for all to have a laugh,' Ames wrote. In the most unexpected anecdote, Taibbi said that another reporter, Fred Weir, described in great detail how the eXile had made me cry. 'Good!' Taibbi describes himself shouting. I was aware of Weir; probably we had bumped into each other at news conferences. But I didn’t know him. I couldn’t imagine why I would ever have wept in front of him." Why anyone would selectively take the word of a Taibi apologist (who actively encouraged liberals to vote Trump over Clinton) at an online rag like Paste over the word of a WaPo reporter who was NAMED and gleefully victimized by Taibi and Ames in the memoir itself is beyond comprehension. https://www.salon.com/2016/04/29/a_liberal_case_for_donald_trump_the_lesser_of_two_evils_is_not_at_all_clear_in_2016/?platform=hootsuite |
Response to lapucelle (Reply #6)
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:08 PM
SunSeeker (49,116 posts)
11. Why would anyone indeed.
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Response to Nevernose (Reply #3)
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:20 PM
brer cat (20,805 posts)
12. So if a couple of women say he didn't harass them,
then they didn't harass anyone? That should get every person accused off the hook. Nicely done!
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Response to brer cat (Reply #12)
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:55 PM
Nevernose (13,081 posts)
13. Its the the women from the book
Response to Nevernose (Reply #13)
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:11 PM
lapucelle (15,108 posts)
14. Kathy Lally is mentioned by name in the book.
She is a "woman in the book".
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Response to lapucelle (Original post)
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:28 PM
mcar (40,546 posts)
7. Taibbi was a grown man when he did this
An apology isn't even close to good enough.
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Response to lapucelle (Original post)
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:04 PM
SunSeeker (49,116 posts)
9. K & R for exposure.
Response to lapucelle (Original post)
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:06 PM
sheshe2 (78,166 posts)
10. Oh...
The old... boys will be boys, wink wink nudge nudge.
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #10)
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:05 PM
lapucelle (15,108 posts)
15. Melania called it "the dirty boy talk", as if she's heard it before.
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Response to lapucelle (Original post)
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 08:29 AM
ehrnst (32,640 posts)
17. Not surprised at all, unfortunately. (nt)
Response to lapucelle (Original post)
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 08:35 AM
dsc (51,661 posts)
18. In terms of journalism their excuse is worse than
if it were true. What their excuse amounts to is that they published a pack of lies and called it the truth. That should disturb anyone who cares about journalism.
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