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red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:14 PM Dec 2017

Activists Are Gearing Up for a Nationwide Response If Trump Fires Mueller

March for Truth
December 16, 2017

MUELLER RAPID RESPONSE


As the nation speculates whether or not Special Counsel Robert Mueller will be fired, activists across the country are gearing up for a nationwide response.

We could have a deepening Constitutional crisis on our hands.
Will Donald Trump take action to stop the investigation?

With indictments being handed down, it has been reported that Donald Trump is considering firing the man investigating him and his inner circle, special counsel Robert Mueller.
Various individuals in the President's circle have suggested the investigation should end, and in recent days GOP attacks on Mueller have reached a fever pitch.
If this happens, our immediate response will determine the future of our democracy.

That's why we're partnering with MoveOn.org, Public Citizen, Indivisible and many others to prepare emergency "No One is Above the Law" rallies that will happen directly following the firing should it occur.

There are already events in more than 300 cities organized across the country!

More:
https://www.marchfortruth.info/mueller-rapid-response/


"Rep. Speier: 'Rumor on Hill' is Trump to Fire Mueller Before Christmas"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029989846

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Activists Are Gearing Up for a Nationwide Response If Trump Fires Mueller (Original Post) red dog 1 Dec 2017 OP
General Strike montanacowboy Dec 2017 #1
+ 1 red dog 1 Dec 2017 #4
I will be a participant. n/t jaysunb Dec 2017 #8
+1. Signed up for Text Alert from MoveOn.org for when we need to march... iluvtennis Dec 2017 #13
I think this date is incorrect. BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #20
If Mueller's firing is announced before 2.00pm local time.... TheDebbieDee Dec 2017 #22
I heard the same thing from Indivisible. DinahMoeHum Dec 2017 #30
Things seem to be organized mahigan Dec 2017 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #37
Yes, that's the link I have. BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #38
Shut It ALL Down! lastlib Dec 2017 #10
Boots on the ground marching HARD! democratisphere Dec 2017 #2
+ 1 red dog 1 Dec 2017 #5
Apparently those organizing the protests have no idea how easy it is for Republicans to ignore them. Binkie The Clown Dec 2017 #3
drumpf even wants to inject CHAOS at Christmas. democratisphere Dec 2017 #6
Do you have any suggestions of what to do? ChicagoRonin Dec 2017 #7
Nope. I don't have a clue. Democracy is dying right before our eyes. nt Binkie The Clown Dec 2017 #18
protest all you want. dems have no power and repubs will not change anything cuz of protests nt msongs Dec 2017 #9
You have no idea what you're talking aobut. Take a look at the 60s. brush Dec 2017 #11
that's true. barbtries Dec 2017 #26
True. But it has to be recorded by protest for history. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #12
And not just for one day zentrum Dec 2017 #14
here are 88 universities that are good places to protest and get mueller's back certainot Dec 2017 #15
I will be there, in AZ. kairos12 Dec 2017 #16
I'd go, but I live too far from the nearest demo meow2u3 Dec 2017 #17
try INDIVISIBLE pangaia Dec 2017 #24
I'm a member of Indivisible Northampton County meow2u3 Dec 2017 #36
here is your solution! sweetapogee Dec 2017 #39
I have a car meow2u3 Dec 2017 #40
I am from Phila and parking is a bitch. BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #41
I used to live in Philly meow2u3 Dec 2017 #42
A suggestion for the organizers. nycbos Dec 2017 #19
If the plan is to march and nothing more Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #21
What, exactly, do you mean by "do something"...? regnaD kciN Dec 2017 #27
Strike, picket, shut down streets Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #28
I'm signed up, retired. my time is my own.. lucky... pangaia Dec 2017 #23
i'm ready. barbtries Dec 2017 #25
Since Trump doesn't have the ability to fire Mueller it will be interesting if he says he does. Kablooie Dec 2017 #29
#TeamPillowForts is trying to ratfuck that idea: demmiblue Dec 2017 #32
I'm not sure about that. red dog 1 Dec 2017 #43
Another one retweeted by Malcolm Nance (BTW, Louise Mensch accused him... demmiblue Dec 2017 #44
I know about Louise Mensch...and her blog, Patribotics red dog 1 Dec 2017 #45
"Bad Dude" is part of her crew. demmiblue Dec 2017 #46
Thanks for that red dog 1 Dec 2017 #48
To be fair, her reaction to the Women's March Nevernose Dec 2017 #47
Game On If He Does That colsohlibgal Dec 2017 #33
Text Mueller to 94502 DesertRat Dec 2017 #34
You don't hear a peep from the deplorables protesting Mueller's indictments. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #35

iluvtennis

(19,844 posts)
13. +1. Signed up for Text Alert from MoveOn.org for when we need to march...
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:25 PM
Dec 2017

Text to 668366 to sign up

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
20. I think this date is incorrect.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 11:12 PM
Dec 2017

I went to a rally for this last June. If you look at the months and years it doesn't make sense. I have a link that I have been posting on DU about a nation wide protests planned to be ready to mobilize ASAP if it happens. I signed up for it a few weeks ago. It is also affiliated with Move On, etc.
https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response/search/

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
22. If Mueller's firing is announced before 2.00pm local time....
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 11:35 PM
Dec 2017

Then the protests will begin at 5.00pm at the designated site(s) for your city/town...

If Mueller's firing is announced after 2.00pm local, the protests will begin at 12.00pm noon the following day. These are the times for the MoveOn.org protests!

Not sure if they have a similar protest schedule for the Indivisible protests.

Response to mahigan (Reply #31)

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
3. Apparently those organizing the protests have no idea how easy it is for Republicans to ignore them.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:24 PM
Dec 2017

Not only ignore them, but brand them as criminals.

If Mueller is fired this will become very, very ugly, and Trump will go down in history as the president who destroyed democracy.

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
26. that's true.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 11:41 PM
Dec 2017

i always tell people marches do work, that's how the Vietnam War ended, that's how Civil Rights were passed. At this point to dismiss anything at all that we as everyday citizens can do is just wrong imo. must #Resist.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
12. True. But it has to be recorded by protest for history.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:24 PM
Dec 2017

That's one way we remember how unpopular past things were. The Vietnam War, Trump's "election," Civil Rights.

Protests have an effect over time. It reminds people how offensive and wrong something is, so maybe they make sure to go to the polls and vote, for one thing.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
14. And not just for one day
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:30 PM
Dec 2017

…like the Women's March.

Must be every day, or at least every weekend.

Must be relentless. Since we have no honorable Republicans at all, as we did in Watergate, it's all on us.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
15. here are 88 universities that are good places to protest and get mueller's back
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:31 PM
Dec 2017

Sam Nunberg told Gabriel Sherman for New York Magazine 4/3/2016 that he listened to 1000s of hours of talk radio and reported to Trump. Much of the propaganda used by Putin’s social media trolling operations have been preceded by or reinforced by talk radio repetition.

While Fox gets all the attention talk radio does the unchallenged repetition that enables Fox to exist. Trump watches fox but he's getting the talk radio talking points and memes. Fox announcers are there to put blond perms and block heads on a distilled version of what Rush Limbaugh and 300 other liars on 1500 unchallenged radio stations have been pounding into the earholes of 50 mil people every week.

Protests at state capitols and other locations can be ignored by media and politicians because Republican radio stations can yell over them for weeks after protestors have gone home. Radio talk show hosts attack and mischaracterize protestors, their tactics, and their objectives. They also encourage local officials and police to break protests up and excuse violence directed at protestors. They repeat fabricated stories of protestor violence, looting, etc.

Limbaugh stations that broadcast sports are among the loudest in the country. Since Ronald Reagan killed the fairness Doctrine in 1987 those stations have been operating exclusively for the benefit of Republican interests. They are licensed to operate in the public interest but they all:

- deny global warming and always support fossil fuel alternatives like fracking over renewables.
- work to defund and privatize public education, attack teachers and work to lower their salaries, attack their unions, push voucher solutions and standardized testing, and obstruct efforts to lower student debt.
- sensationalize and excuse militarism
- use public airwaves to sell voter suppression legislation with lies and exaggeration about voter fraud, millions of “illegal aliens” and dead people voting for Democrats, etc.
- oppose environmental regulation
- oppose health care reform and have lied about foreign single payer systems for 3 decades.
- attack free speech: they have sold “money is speech” and “corporations are people” memes for decades, arguing for media deregulation, defunding of public programming like PBS and NPR, and an end to net neutrality.
- oppose campaign finance reform
- use and excuse racism, misogyny, homophobia, and hate to divide communities and push voter suppression and other anti-democratic Republican legislation.
- work to deny reproductive rights for women and access to contraception, defund Planned Parenthood and other services, and excuse misogyny.
- fight efforts to increase minimum wage, and advocate eliminating it.
- use public airways to repeat propaganda that is demonstrably false and continue to lie after being corrected, use call screeners to exclude dissenting opinions.
- coordinate on national and local level with and provide free publicity for Republican politicians and think tanks when needed for elections, passing legislation, and attacking critics and opponents.
- influence elections of university regents and selection of administration, including presidents and chancellors.
- use monopoly power to avoid direct competition while pretending to represent an expression of free speech. It is a myth that there is free and fair competition between liberal and Republican talk radio. It is a 95% monopoly, Mom and Pop vs Wall Mart.
- while railing against “political correctness”, they loudly demand political conformity

The universities don’t owe the stations anything. Most of those university/radio relationships began when the stations broadcast music and general non-partisan programming, before 1987 when Ronald Reagan ‘killed’ the Fairness Doctrine and Republicans began buying up radio stations to create and protect a talk radio monopoly. Today there are more options for viewing and listening to sports. If stations want to keep broadcasting university sports there is no reason they can’t convert to music or sports talk. There are many sports talk stations that want to broadcast those sports events and would be more appropriate. They talk sports all day and sell sports and sports merchandise, not politics.

Usually a licensing company like Learfield Sports pays the university for the broadcasting rights and either resells them to the radio station or pays the radio station to broadcast the games. In some cases there is no bidding process and licensing terms are kept secret, even from university administrations. The schools receive very little licensing revenue from radio compared with TV broadcasts. If loss of licensing revenue is an objection, can donors be found to make up the difference? If there is a loss, how does it compare with the harm it is doing to its own students and community, or the damage from defunding public education?

Consider the absurdity of 10 universities in Texas and Florida endorsing 36 Limbaugh stations for years while they denied global warming and fought for building and development deregulation.

Here is the list of universities with the number of Limbaugh stations for each school and the total for each state. The list is incomplete. There are many other schools, and even high schools, used this way by right wing Republican radio. It does not include stations that do not headline Limbaugh. For instance, the University of Wisconsin broadcasts on 5 Limbaugh stations but also on 2 stations that headline Sean Hannity. Some universities may have made changes recently.

From republicanradio.org:

ALABAMA 8  Auburn 3, Alabama 2, Southern Alabama 2, Troy 1
ARIZONA 2 Arizona St. 1, Arizona 1
ARKANSAS 3 Arkansas 3
CALIFORNIA 5 San Jose State 2, USC 2, Fresno St. 1
COLORADO 4 Air Force 2, Colorado 1, Colorado State 1
CONNECTICUT 1 Connecticut 1
FLORIDA 20 Florida 10, Florida St. 4 Miami 2, South Florida 2, Central Florida 2
GEORGIA 14 Georgia 7, Georgia Tech 5, Georgia Southern 2
IDAHO 7  Boise St. 4, Idaho 3
ILLINOIS 7 Illinois 7
INDIANA 11 Notre Dame 6, Purdue 4, Indiana 1
IOWA 5 Iowa 4, Iowa St. 1
KANSAS 4 Kansas St. 2, Kansas 1, Wichita St. 1
KENTUCKY 3 Louisville 2, Kentucky 1
LOUSIANA 3 LSU 2, La.-Monroe 1
MARYLAND 2 Maryland 2
MASSACHUSETTS 1 Boston College 1
MICHIGAN 19 Michigan St. 11, Michigan 7, Western Michigan 1
MINNESOTA 4 Minnesota 4
MISSISSIPPI 6 Mississippi St. 3, Mississippi 2, Southern Miss 1
MISSOURI 6 Missouri 6
NEBRASKA 6 Nebraska 6
NEVADA 1 Nevada 1
NEW JERSEY 2 Rutgers 1, Seton Hall 1
NEW MEXICO 3 New Mexico 2, New Mexico St. 1
NEW YORK 7 Syracuse 6, Army 1
NORTH CAROLINA 16 North Carolina 8, North Carolina State 3, Duke 3, East Carolina 2
OHIO 10 Ohio St. 6, Toledo 1, Dayton 1, Bowling Green 1, Xavier 1
OKLAHOMA 5 Oklahoma St. 3, Oklahoma 1, Oral Roberts 1
OREGON 12 Oregon St. 7, Oregon 5
PENNSYLVANIA 14 Penn St. 11, Pittsburgh 2, Temple 1
SOUTH CAROLINA 4 South Carolina 2, Clemson 2
TENNESSEE 7 Tennessee 4, Memphis 3
TEXAS 16 Texas A&M 9, Texas Tech 4, Texas 1, Texas Christian 1, Baylor 1
UTAH 1 Utah St. 1
VIRGINIA 6 Virginia Tech 5, Virginia 1
WASHINGTON 6 Washington 5, Washington St. 1
WEST VIRGINIA 2 West Virginia 1, Marshall 1
WISCONSIN 5 Wisconsin 5

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
17. I'd go, but I live too far from the nearest demo
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:43 PM
Dec 2017

There are no marches for truth in the Lehigh Valley, PA and the nearest one is in Philly--where I'd have to pay to park!

Nor do I have the wherewithal to create a march.

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
41. I am from Phila and parking is a bitch.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:32 PM
Dec 2017

It was over 30 years ago when my family lived in Center City. Before then we lived in Huntingdon Valley, Montgomery County I took the local train downtown to attend protests. It was pretty easy and cheap, and I didn't have a car so walked to the station each time by myself. If you can get other people you know to join you it would be helpful.

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
42. I used to live in Philly
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 07:19 PM
Dec 2017

I moved away from Philly 7 1/2 years ago. I found out the hard way when I first moved to Philly in 1999 that you have to use public transportation to get around Center City or else you're going to pay through the nose for parking.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
19. A suggestion for the organizers.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 11:06 PM
Dec 2017

If Mueller is fired the rally should be held on the first weekend day after. We would want as big a crowd as possible so it should be held on a day that more people can attend.

The women's march was more successful because it was held on a Saturday and more people were able to attend.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
23. I'm signed up, retired. my time is my own.. lucky...
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 11:36 PM
Dec 2017


Plenty of warm clothes.... and maybe a flask of some good bourbon. :&gt )))

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
25. i'm ready.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 11:39 PM
Dec 2017

have also booked for the march in DC on 20Jam2018.it doesn't seem to be coming together the way the womens march did, yet could not be more important imo.

how do working people commit to a general strike? i want to, but i don't want to lose my job! anyone else have this dilemma?

Kablooie

(18,625 posts)
29. Since Trump doesn't have the ability to fire Mueller it will be interesting if he says he does.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:03 AM
Dec 2017

If Trump declares that Mueller is fired, Mueller can just ignore him because the president has no legal command over the special investigation.

red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
43. I'm not sure about that.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 07:37 PM
Dec 2017

Is #TeamPillowForts "trying to ratfuck that idea"?
or is it Bad Dude @ChiefCovfefe who "is trying to ratfuck that idea?

I just spent more than an hour researching both #TeamPillowForts and "Bad Dude"
(@ChiefCovfefe)

Results of my search are as follows:

A) I couldn't find that particular tweet either at #Team PillowForts or at @ChiefCovfefe, and there was no mention of it at @ChiefCofefe's blog either
(I'm not saying that he didn't send that tweet...I just couldn't find it)

B) However, @ChiefVCovfefe did re-tweet the following Eric Holder tweet;
(From Eric Holder @EricHolder)
"ABSOLUTE RED LINE the firing of Bob Mueller or crippling the special counsel's office.
If removed or meaningfully tampered with, there must be mass, popular, peaceful support of both...The American people must be seen and heard - they will ultimately be determinative"

Assuming the tweet you posted was his, @ChiefCovfefe appears to be "speaking out of both sides of his mouth"..doesn't he?
because he obviously supports Eric Holder's "there must be mass, popular, peaceful support"

By the way, who said to "be angry and take to the streets"?
I don't recall any mention of the word "angry" in the OP

Even the way your posted tweet is phrased is a little suspicious, imo.
If you're being told to be angry and "take to the streets"....consider carefully why someone wants you angry in the streets.
Why did he use quotation marks only for "take to the streets"?
Why didn't he phrase it the following way?
if you're "being told to be angry and take to the streets"

demmiblue

(36,838 posts)
44. Another one retweeted by Malcolm Nance (BTW, Louise Mensch accused him...
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 08:13 PM
Dec 2017

of using a ghost writer to write his recent book).



(Patribotics is Louise Mensch)

Edit: #TeamPillowForts is Malcolm Nances' pet name for #TeamPatriot

red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
45. I know about Louise Mensch...and her blog, Patribotics
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 09:54 PM
Dec 2017

I think I'd believe her before I'd believe either Malcolm Nance or "Bad Dude"

demmiblue

(36,838 posts)
46. "Bad Dude" is part of her crew.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 10:04 PM
Dec 2017

You would believe her before Malcolm Nance?!

Also, did you not see the post I posted regarding her discouraging people from protesting. She even had the gall to proclaim that the Women's March on Washington had produced no effect. The fuck it didn't. Double

red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
48. Thanks for that
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 05:48 PM
Dec 2017

No, I didn't see your post regarding her discouraging people from protesting.
Also, her proclaiming "that the Woman's March on Washington had produced no effect" says a lot about her credibility.

I really don't know much about Malcom Nance, but "ChiefCovfefe" seems to be either working for the GOP, Trump, or is a "Putinista", imo, because he did retweet Eric Holder's tweet that I mentioned in my reply to you, which was completely the opposite of his own tweet discouraging people from protesting ("Who benefits from angry protests?&quot

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
47. To be fair, her reaction to the Women's March
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 10:35 PM
Dec 2017

Might have been my reaction to the Women's March.

She's right: Objectively speaking, nothing changed afterwards. Trump was still the president, and is still a batshit lunatic moron.

However, since the Women's March, we've been contacted and been in touch with dozens of people who would not otherwise have been involved politically. While I agree with the upthread poster that "just marching" won't do anything by itself, I have also seen the potential for marching as an organizing tool. My fear is that it's too late to organize.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
33. Game On If He Does That
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:52 AM
Dec 2017

There will be chaos, a crisis of the highest order.

People compare this to Watergate which is off base. The end for Tricky Dick was when three republican Senators went to see him, Howard Baker, Hugh Scott, Barry Goldwater, they told him they would not save him from being impeached, so Nixon quit.

Cannot imagine anything like that with this congress and Chitolini so all bets will be off then.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
35. You don't hear a peep from the deplorables protesting Mueller's indictments.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:15 AM
Dec 2017

Notice how not one person protested Flynn's guilty plea, no one complaining about Manafort, ..... BECAUSE they know they are guilty!

Same will happen when the evidence comes out on the rest of them, Trump included. They all know they are guilty!

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