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alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:42 AM Jul 2012

NCAA To Announce "Unprecedented Sanctions" Against Penn State

http://onwardstate.com/2012/07/22/report-ncaa-to-announce-unprecedented-sanctions-against-penn-state/

CBS News has reported that a “high-ranking” source in the NCAA has said that President Mark Emmert will be handing down “unprecedented” sanctions against both Penn State football and the University.

Emmert will announce his decision and the specific penalties to come at a press conference tomorrow at 9 a.m in Indianapolis.

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More:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57477382/ncaa-source-unprecedented-penalties-against-penn-state/

"I've never seen anything like it," the source told correspondent Armen Keteyian.

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No doubt, Erickson has been advised of the penalty already, which certainly caused this Sunday morning statue take-down.

I've said all along that the NCAA would not impose the death penalty, but now I'm not so sure. I think it will be a three-year suspension of the football program, at the very least.
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NCAA To Announce "Unprecedented Sanctions" Against Penn State (Original Post) alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 OP
Penn State doesn't deserve the death penalty. The current players had nothing shadowrider Jul 2012 #1
Impossible to hold university and football program accountable without hurting current players, yellowcanine Jul 2012 #3
I didn't say it wouldn't hurt the players, but they should be allowed to play n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #4
They will be allowed to transfer with no penalty. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #14
Hold the U and football program accountable for what? .... Scuba Jul 2012 #6
Hell with that. They covered up the crimes to protect the program. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #17
Good players can transfer to another school. IMO this is a false argument. ProgressiveEconomist Jul 2012 #5
Ok, the good players transfer. That's still leaves bad players on the team shadowrider Jul 2012 #7
Are Those Students There Only For Football? KharmaTrain Jul 2012 #12
I agree with you, Kharma. kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #13
Seems To Be A Lost Focus About "Victims"... KharmaTrain Jul 2012 #15
Life isn't always fair. Ask the boys who were raped. ecstatic Jul 2012 #18
'Way too many people value FB over children. Shut it down!' ProgressiveEconomist Jul 2012 #19
Kind of like this whole gun debate, why punish those who did not do anything because others did? (nt The Straight Story Jul 2012 #10
Of course "unprecedented" for the NCAA is not necessarily saying all that much. yellowcanine Jul 2012 #2
The NCAA isn't supposed to have institutional control over universities n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #16
punish the innocent 99.999% for the crimes of the guilty 0.oo1% guilty - it's a lynch mob nt msongs Jul 2012 #8
Probably strip them of scholorships... trumad Jul 2012 #9
There will be no death penalty, according to ESPN: boxman15 Jul 2012 #11

shadowrider

(4,941 posts)
1. Penn State doesn't deserve the death penalty. The current players had nothing
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 10:11 AM
Jul 2012

to do with the horrific actions by those in the know. If any of them are currently employed by Penn State, they should be fired and personally sued, maybe face some jail time.

To punish todays players makes no sense to me.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
3. Impossible to hold university and football program accountable without hurting current players,
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 10:14 AM
Jul 2012

unfortunately. I believe under NCAA rules they will will able to transfer without penalty.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
6. Hold the U and football program accountable for what? ....
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 10:42 AM
Jul 2012

It was Sandusky who committed the assaults and other INDIVIDUALS who covered up his crimes. Punish them.

I don't see how punishing THOSE NOT INVOLVED IN THE CRIMES OR COVERUP accomplishes anything.



KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
12. Are Those Students There Only For Football?
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:53 PM
Jul 2012

If they're not good players that another school would want then their chances of being a pro are pretty slim as well. So if they couldn't play yet continue studies for a degree in something they may actually use in their life beyond football (which sounds like their final game senior season)...it'd be nice to see Penn State in a positive light for their academics rather than how many wins or loses their football team gets.

kurtzapril4

(1,353 posts)
13. I agree with you, Kharma.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:57 PM
Jul 2012

The sports activities of the athletes should be far down the list of what they're there for. They'll live, and maybe they'll have the time to re-double their academic efforts, which will stand them in better stead in the future.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
15. Seems To Be A Lost Focus About "Victims"...
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:12 PM
Jul 2012

First and foremost the true victims are those young boys who not only were abused by Sandusky but whose victimization was increased by the silence of Paterno and others who put wins and loses over common sense and the law.

Seems in schools with big name athletic programs that the academic side gets short shrift to the wins and losses...and how many student-athletes are used and tossed away when they can't "perform". I saw it in my collegiate days...football players getting all sorts of favors and free-passes by teachers cause they could catch or run with a ball. Few got meaningful degrees if they got a degree at all...

ecstatic

(32,677 posts)
18. Life isn't always fair. Ask the boys who were raped.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:27 PM
Jul 2012

IMO, the football program deserves the dp. Let the good players transfer, and the bad players either transfer or keep their scholarships without the burden of football every week.

The excuses people are coming up with are just more proof that way too many people value football over children. Shut it down! And if it's going on at other schools, as some defenders love to point out, then shut them down too!

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
19. 'Way too many people value FB over children. Shut it down!'
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:25 PM
Jul 2012

Couldn't have said it better.

Ask yourself, what's going to happen at Ohio State, Michigan, or Purdue should someone report child rape to a coach? If the coverup succeeds at Penn State, and few get fired and nobody has to transfer, probably other schools will learn to cover up too. But if the whole Penn State team staff gets laid off for three years, team recruitment stops for three years, and all the players who can transfer go elsewhere, other universities will be absolutely VIGILANT against abuse.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
2. Of course "unprecedented" for the NCAA is not necessarily saying all that much.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 10:12 AM
Jul 2012

Given past history, the NCAA has yet to prove that it has "institutional control" over universities.

boxman15

(1,033 posts)
11. There will be no death penalty, according to ESPN:
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:49 PM
Jul 2012

But a source says the punishment will be so severe, Penn State will probably wish it was the death penalty.

NCAA president Mark Emmert has decided to punish Penn State with severe penalties likely to include a significant loss of scholarships and loss of multiple bowls, a source close to the decision told ESPN's Joe Schad on Sunday morning.

But Penn State will not receive the so-called "death penalty" that would have suspended the program for at least one year, the source said.

The penalties, however, are considered to be so harsh that the death penalty may have been preferable, the source said.

The NCAA will announce "corrective and punitive measures" for Penn State on Monday morning, it said in a statement Sunday. Emmert will reveal the sanctions at 9 a.m. ET in Indianapolis at the organization's headquarters along with Ed Ray, the chairman of the NCAA's executive committee and Oregon State's president, the news release said.

It is expected the NCAA Division I Board of Directors and/or the NCAA Executive Committee has granted Emmert the authority to punish through non-traditional methods, the source told Schad.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8188629/penn-state-nittany-lions-not-facing-death-penalty-monday-ncaa-source-says
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