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Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 03:56 PM Dec 2017

Why isnt the south more politically competitive

Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia and South Carolina have more African Americans than solid blue states. I just don’t understand it, you would think that vote would balance the racist conservative white vote. And you would think that African Americans in those states would understand the importance in voting and what happened to their grandparent not to long ago.

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Why isnt the south more politically competitive (Original Post) Proud liberal 80 Dec 2017 OP
Gerrymandering & Voter Suppression? Xipe Totec Dec 2017 #1
Since gerrymandering doesn't effect senate races or presidential races, it likely isn't htat simple DemRage Dec 2017 #8
It does, if in place long enough. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #12
Carefully avoided the 2nd statement - voter suppression. Curious. Xipe Totec Dec 2017 #14
Guns, gays, and abortion exboyfil Dec 2017 #2
"if you can convince the lowest white man he is better than... nycbos Dec 2017 #3
These are my guesses. Willie Pep Dec 2017 #4
African Americans vote a solid 95% Democratic. Cattledog Dec 2017 #5
We vote Democratic when we vote Proud liberal 80 Dec 2017 #6
Why don't they vote? marylandblue Dec 2017 #7
A lot of reasons Proud liberal 80 Dec 2017 #9
They voted in New South governors in the MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #11
I'm not one to get snippy marylandblue Dec 2017 #13
Probably lots of reasons ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #10
 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
12. It does, if in place long enough.
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 04:38 PM
Dec 2017

Gerrymandering can't directly affect state-wide or national races, but if it keeps one party in power in state, voter suppression becomes very effective in blocking groups that tend to vote Democratic.

Xipe Totec

(43,889 posts)
14. Carefully avoided the 2nd statement - voter suppression. Curious.
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 05:23 PM
Dec 2017

You have a dismissive response for that one?

Plus, the question is about the South, not the senate. There's congressional seats which are subject to Gerrymandering.


exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
2. Guns, gays, and abortion
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 03:58 PM
Dec 2017

0/3 for what is important to most of these folks. Throw in a desire to not see a state church, and you have little chance to break through.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
3. "if you can convince the lowest white man he is better than...
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 04:01 PM
Dec 2017

... the best colored man he won't notice you picking his pockets."

-LBJ

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
4. These are my guesses.
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 04:01 PM
Dec 2017

1. Southern whites are more uniformly pro-Republican than northern whites so they vote en bloc for the GOP and this swamps the black Democratic vote.

2. The Republicans have made it harder for people to vote in those states and this disproportionately impacts African-Americans.

3. The Democrats have not done enough to improve GOTV among African-Americans and people who should be Democratic voters such as working-class and poor whites.

4. Related to number 4, the Democratic Party has allowed state parties in the South to atrophy thinking that we could not win in the South so why waste resources there.

Cattledog

(5,914 posts)
5. African Americans vote a solid 95% Democratic.
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 04:02 PM
Dec 2017

Are you seriously saying African Americans are ignorant of their history.

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
6. We vote Democratic when we vote
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 04:08 PM
Dec 2017

But unfortunately in a lot of elections we don’t vote. And I am saying knowing our history that we would make sure to vote. Current Voter suppression tactics are a factor, but that should motivate us even more.

And yes I am, I am constantly reminding my non voting cousins the importance of voting.

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
9. A lot of reasons
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 04:22 PM
Dec 2017

But the bottom line is it’s not thinking their vote matters, laziness, ignorance, and not being motivated. I see it in my relatives and others in the communities. You guys can get rude and snippy with me all you want. But African American voter turn out is a huge problem and one of the main reasons trump is POTUS and republicans are in control of everything.

MaryMagdaline

(6,853 posts)
11. They voted in New South governors in the
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 04:33 PM
Dec 2017

70's. Then Reagan ignited SOutherners to band with northern conservatives. I lived in Georgia; saw moderate whites go right wing all the way, including on economics when they once were populist. Revenue sharing made the whites see that they would be taken care of by northern conservatives and did not need to hang with Dems who became the black man's party. Lots of factors but when we got the black vote we did not increase their prosperity so they might have thought "why bother?"

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
13. I'm not one to get snippy
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 05:04 PM
Dec 2017

It is a problem. I donated to an African American outreach operation in Virginia this year and seems to have made a difference. Democratic Party needs its own dedicated operation. Still, I think this past year might have motivated some. Do you see any difference at all?

 

ClarendonDem

(720 posts)
10. Probably lots of reasons
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 04:31 PM
Dec 2017

Certainly there's a lot of conservative white folks in the South. Voter suppression and gerrymandering impact congressional results, but not senate/presidential (well, voter suppression does), but that doesn't explain why Trump wins Alabama by 20 points. I'm assuming Dems just aren't turning out to vote.

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