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Fri Dec 8, 2017, 09:55 AM

What the world wants to know - who authorized the United States

to decide the capitol of Israel?

I am so sick of this shit.

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Reply What the world wants to know - who authorized the United States (Original post)
malaise Dec 2017 OP
TreasonousBastard Dec 2017 #1
malaise Dec 2017 #2
TreasonousBastard Dec 2017 #3
malaise Dec 2017 #5
WhiteTara Dec 2017 #43
Dreamer Tatum Dec 2017 #8
Lonestarblue Dec 2017 #21
WhiteTara Dec 2017 #44
True Blue American Dec 2017 #24
Cryptoad Dec 2017 #31
malaise Dec 2017 #33
True Blue American Dec 2017 #37
Mosby Dec 2017 #4
L. Coyote Dec 2017 #6
malaise Dec 2017 #7
safeinOhio Dec 2017 #23
brooklynite Dec 2017 #22
Caliman73 Dec 2017 #26
Cryptoad Dec 2017 #27
snooper2 Dec 2017 #38
maddiemom Dec 2017 #17
L. Coyote Dec 2017 #9
mountain grammy Dec 2017 #16
SammyWinstonJack Dec 2017 #20
malaise Dec 2017 #35
GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #46
Mrs. Overall Dec 2017 #10
lunatica Dec 2017 #14
Mrs. Overall Dec 2017 #15
mountain grammy Dec 2017 #18
Scarsdale Dec 2017 #11
world wide wally Dec 2017 #12
IronLionZion Dec 2017 #13
HopeAgain Dec 2017 #28
Jose Garcia Dec 2017 #19
onenote Dec 2017 #25
Nitram Dec 2017 #29
CTyankee Dec 2017 #30
leftynyc Dec 2017 #32
Post removed Dec 2017 #34
Vinca Dec 2017 #36
onenote Dec 2017 #39
hack89 Dec 2017 #40
Vinca Dec 2017 #41
hack89 Dec 2017 #42
grossproffit Dec 2017 #45

Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 09:57 AM

1. We didn't-- Israel did. We're just one of the very few agreeing with them.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:06 AM

2. Nothing has changed since the white man decided he was superior

to all others and gave himself the right to kill, enslave, loot and plunder others in the name of 'civilization' - talk about an inversion of reality. Ask the indigenous people's of our planet any and everywhere.

There are days I want to jump off this planet.

US policies have encouraged Israel for way too long.

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Response to malaise (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:43 AM

3. OK, now you did it...

I'm gonna get yelled at for this, but the "white man" is not the devil. We are not more evil in our desire to conquer and control, we are usually just better at it.

Genghis Khan, the Aztecs, Japanese invasion of Korea, Pre-Columbian Native North American warfare, expansion of African kingdoms...

Need I go on?

Violence and domination are human characteristics, not characteristics of particular humans, and the legendary peaceful societies are often either not so peaceful when looked at closely, or so remote they have no need to defend themselves.

(Aztecs threw big parties when they sacrificed the wartime losers to their gods. Slaves they dealt with in other ways.)



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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:51 AM

5. Valid point about human evil

but technological advancements and the denial of technology to others have given him an unbelievable advantage. And never forget the role of 'them popes'.

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Response to malaise (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 9, 2017, 09:01 AM

43. He's right. White men are better at

being evil than others. However not all white men are evil. However, you'll also notice that men are considered the evil sex in all societies.
Except of course when they're blaming the ills of the world on women.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:15 AM

8. Wont get yelled at by me nt

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:18 PM

21. No yelling from me.

You’re absolutely right that many humans have natural instincts to exert power and domination over others. That said, I would hope that we could learn lessons from history about the horrific mistreatment of fellow humans (although fellow humans like ISIS deserve obliteration). In most of today’s world, there is no need to conquer other countries or to eliminate an entire population in order to protect your own society. Organizations like Boko Haram need to get the message, but I would argue that Isreal is also guilty of ethnic cleansing. In 1948, Jews from Europe were given a great gift—at the expense of the Palestinians because they fought on the wrong side and the British took control of the Ottoman Empire. Early on, some Palestinians were paid for their lands, but later Israel just took the land. As a new nation, Israel was not satisfied with their gift. They wanted more and more and more land—to the point that they have now pushed the Palestinians into very little space. The Gaza strip supports more than a million people, but its water supplies are overtaxed and becoming more saline. What will happen when they have no more fresh water? Some years ago, Israel proposed moving them to the Sinai desert, knowing there is no water there. I believe that Israel’s goal has always been to eliminate the Palestinian population entirely. Sadly, they now have an ally in the White House who would be willing to help them do that.

Israel never intended to have a two-state solution, and they have had a strong ally in the U.S. to prevent that happening. The Arab nations also have done very little to support the Palestinians. They are a people with no homeland and no real power. Yet they have an even greater claim to the land than Israel does. They and their ancestors have been living there for thousands of years. Why is this claim so unimportant to the rest of the world?

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:22 PM

24. You forgot Pearl Harbor.;(

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:44 PM

31. But, But,, But,,,,,,,

we baptized the Amer Indians babies before we ran a sword thru them and pitched them on the fire!

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:57 PM

33. Well so did the Spanish

and they told us all to read the bible - while we were reading they stole everything and we still have not learned. Now we are shopping for shit.

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Response to malaise (Reply #33)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 04:02 PM

37. I just finished reading a series of books about the English and Spanish

In New Orleans and Mobile.

The native Americans helped us fight.

Guys,I was just kidding about leaving out Pearl Harbor..

We elected IKE after the war. He could have run in any party. Wonder what he would say about his party today?

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Response to malaise (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:10 AM

6. There is no such thing as race, but the mental construct does enable the supremacists.

And they are everywhere in history.

I would argue that little has changed since men decided they were superior and began enslaving women. Next came enslaving other men. Then religion was invented to control slaves and enforce coercive social stratification. Next came warfare when people became an unwilling commodity. Then history had to be destroyed, religion imposed in the lands conquered to obtain new slaves, and a false narrative imposed ..... and here we are, generally ignorant of what came before.

The realization of true history is the cultural liberation needed to undo the harm our past imposes on us today.

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:12 AM

7. It is the mental constructs that create the mess

and religion is #1.

Great post

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:21 PM

23. American Association of Anthropology. They agree with you.

http://www.americananthro.org/ConnectWithAAA/Content.aspx?ItemNumber=2583

AAA Position Paper on "Race":

In the United States both scholars and the general public have been conditioned to viewing human races as natural and separate divisions within the human species based on visible physical differences. With the vast expansion of scientific knowledge in this century, however, it has become clear that human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups. Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA) indicates that most physical variation, about 94%, lies within so-called racial groups. Conventional geographic "racial" groupings differ from one another only in about 6% of their genes. This means that there is greater variation within "racial" groups than between them. In neighboring populations there is much overlapping of genes and their phenotypic (physical) expressions. Throughout history whenever different groups have come into contact, they have interbred. The continued sharing of genetic materials has maintained all of humankind as a single species.

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Response to malaise (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:20 PM

22. How does "the white man" fit into this issue?

The native Israelis are Semitic...and so are the Palestinians.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:33 PM

26. Actually they fit well into this scenario.

There was no Jewish state until the 1940's when the White Men of Britain, France, America, and Russia created the state out of land that had been the home of Palestinians for centuries. The precursor to that was White Men from Britain and France with the Sykes-Picot agreement, partitioning the dead Ottoman Empire and encouraging the beginnings of the Zionist movement. The Palestinians were pushed onto the least favorable lands and basically left to their own devices while Israel received support.

I do not believe that White men are evil. They have however believed that they are superior and in that belief, they laid the seeds of conflict around the world by making decisions against the will of others.

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Response to malaise (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:39 PM

27. Kinda a nice fuzzy feeling to know,,,,,

that someday once again, we all will become Cosmic Dust! But I must say I was hoping it would be later than sooner!

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Response to malaise (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 04:05 PM

38. you never heard of the Battle of Hattin?

 

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:58 AM

17. Or rather, Netanyahu and followers

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:17 AM

9. And who made Trump the autocrat?

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:56 AM

16. I believe it's Jerushlum

from the United Shates.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:10 PM

20. Ha!

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:58 PM

35. Wow!

Says it all

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 9, 2017, 10:10 AM

46. That cartoon deserves it's own post. n/t

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:31 AM

10. Hope Hicks suggested it as she pressed Trump's pants.

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Response to Mrs. Overall (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:47 AM

14. While he stood erect in them

I hate myself!

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Response to lunatica (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:51 AM

15. Naughty, but quite funny!

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Response to lunatica (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:58 AM

18. Got me...

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:31 AM

11. King Donnie Two Scoops.

He was elected (by Russia) to rule the entire world. Why? Because of his superior intellect, high morals, and bulging bank accounts. None of those are true by the way.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:42 AM

12. Think about it.

There was absolutely no practical reason to do this, and there is no practical reason for a billionaire tax cut either.
This leads me to conclude that they do it simply because they can and they don't give a damn about ANYONE but their most wealthy donors. Yet Americans vote for them. They would be cheering against them in a fucking movie.
I suggest we replace our national motto to "DUH"

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:42 AM

13. Mexico's capital should be Dallas

Cuba's capital can be Mar-A-Lago

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:41 PM

28. Mar-a-Lago

Won't work. He's too much of a despot even for Cuba.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:59 AM

19. Congress authorized the President to recognized that Jerusalem is capitol of Israel

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:29 PM

25. Was there a point to the silly question you asked?

After all, you have to know that the US didn't "decide" the capital of Israel - Israel did. What Trump did was recognize Israel's decision.

Recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital has been the formal policy position of both repubs and Democrats for many years -- it's expressly stated as such in the Democratic Party platforms from 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016. And there is Congressional mandate for such recognition, albeit with a waiver provision that has, correctly in my view, been relied on by every president for decades. Even Trump relied on the waiver provision so as not to have to move the embassy when he first took office. But now he's reversed himself to pander to his base and Israel hard-liners.

I think Trump was wrong to do so, but I still don't get your question.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:42 PM

29. Actually, any country could choose to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

They are just two ethical and smart to do so.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:44 PM

30. My understanding of this is that Jerusalem is already the capital of Israel but

our embassy, which is in Tel Aviv, would move to Jerusalem. IIRC, every other country's embassies are in Tel Aviv.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:54 PM

32. Look up the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995

 

before you blame donnie for all this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act

The act asserted that every country has a right to designate the capital of its choice, and that Israel has designated Jerusalem. The act notes that "the city of Jerusalem is the seat of Israel's President, Parliament, and Supreme Court, and the site of numerous government ministries and social and cultural institutions." Jerusalem is defined as the spiritual center of Judaism. Furthermore, it stipulates that since the reunification of Jerusalem in 1967, religious freedom has been guaranteed to all.

S. 1322 also stated that "Jerusalem should be recognized as the capital of the State of Israel; and the United States Embassy in Israel should be established in Jerusalem no later than May 31, 1999".

Although the Senate and House votes preceded visits by then Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert to Washington to celebrate the 3000th anniversary of King David's declaration of Jerusalem as the capital of the Jews,[26] little to no progress were achieved in the physical relocation of the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem until December 2017.


This was passed OVERWHELMINGLY by congress - only one Democrat voted against, Bill Clinton allowed it to become law without his signature on November 8, 1995. So how exactly is this Degenerate Donnie's fault? So the "world" is 22 years late in whining about it.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:59 PM

36. That occurred to me, too.

And wouldn't an embassy move anywhere within a country be at the invitation of the country?

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Response to Vinca (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 04:07 PM

39. Israel declared its capital to be Jerusalem in 1949 -

I don't think a separate invitation is needed.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 04:07 PM

40. Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since it's founding

it is the seat of the Israeli government. The Israelis want the US embassy in Jerusalem.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 04:42 PM

41. I guess they enjoy mayhem then. I wouldn't want to be an embassy employee.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #41)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 05:10 PM

42. Jerusalem is safe

Israel has done a very good job stopping terrorist attacks on their territory.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sat Dec 9, 2017, 10:06 AM

45. Recognize, NOT decide. Jerusalem is already the capital of Israel.

I, too, am sick of this shit.

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