Mon Dec 4, 2017, 08:11 PM
Wwcd (6,288 posts)
'Patagonia' CEO to sue Trump over land grab
https://shareblue.com/im-not-going-to-stand-back-and-just-let-evil-win-ceo-to-sue-trump-over-land-grab/
"I’m not going to stand back and just let evil win.” CEO to sue Trump over land grab DECEMBER 4, 2017 Yvon Chouinard, founder and CEO of outdoor gear maker Patagonia, is fighting against Trump and his "evil government." Donald Trump on Monday moved to radically reduce the size of Bears Ears National Monument in Utah. In an anti-environmentalist maneuver that is overwhelmingly opposed by Native American tribal leaders in the region, Trump wants to reduce the size of the moment designation by nearly 90 percent. Who’s happy about the radical shift? Businesses that want to use the protected land for profit by extracting oil and gas. “The drillers, miners and frackers who were shut out by Bill Clinton and Barack Obama’s use of the Antiquities Act would have new leases on life,” CNN reports. SNIP Chouinard will be part of a larger coalition, including the Navajo Nation, that vowed to challenge Trump’s decision in court. CHOUINARD: Well, I think the only thing this administration understands is lawsuits. “I think it’s a shame that only 4 percent of American lands are national parks. Costa Rica’s got 10 percent. Chile will now have way more parks than we have,” Chouinard says. “We need more, not less.” Monuments are similar to U.S. national parks, which are created by acts of Congress, except that monuments are created by presidents via the Antiquities Act, a law that has been used by both parties for more than a century to protect millions of acres of federal land. Trump now becomes the first president to basically try to un-protect monument land.
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Wwcd | Dec 2017 | OP |
ProudLib72 | Dec 2017 | #1 | |
Wwcd | Dec 2017 | #2 | |
ProudLib72 | Dec 2017 | #6 | |
Wwcd | Dec 2017 | #7 | |
malaise | Dec 2017 | #3 | |
Wwcd | Dec 2017 | #5 | |
senaca | Dec 2017 | #4 | |
babylonsister | Dec 2017 | #8 | |
Wwcd | Dec 2017 | #9 | |
SunSeeker | Dec 2017 | #13 | |
CousinIT | Dec 2017 | #10 | |
Wwcd | Dec 2017 | #15 | |
SunSeeker | Dec 2017 | #11 | |
spanone | Dec 2017 | #12 | |
Buns_of_Fire | Dec 2017 | #14 | |
Wwcd | Dec 2017 | #17 | |
Buns_of_Fire | Dec 2017 | #18 | |
defacto7 | Dec 2017 | #16 |
Response to Wwcd (Original post)
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 08:16 PM
ProudLib72 (17,984 posts)
1. HURRAY Chouinard!
I always respected him!
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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #1)
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 08:24 PM
Wwcd (6,288 posts)
2. Yes. There are still leaders with morality, the Kremlin couldn't buy all of them
I wish him the greatest success.
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Response to Wwcd (Reply #2)
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 08:33 PM
ProudLib72 (17,984 posts)
6. I wouldn't call him a leader in the political sense
I just know him from climbing. I didn't even know he was still alive until I saw a documentary "180 degrees South" that featured him at the end. But he always struck me as an ethical person. He had ethical business practices, and, after he sold his company (it became Black Diamond), he became involved in environmental issues.
I guess you could say he was a business "leader". He has a LOT of credibility in the outdoor outfitting world, both from his former climbing equipment line and currently with Patagonia. I think other business owners should look up to him as an example and start taking a more outspoken stand on politics. |
Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #6)
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 08:38 PM
Wwcd (6,288 posts)
7. Yes he is a business leader
I doubt he would ever get near politics, unless it is a case exactly like this.
This being the exception. |
Response to Wwcd (Original post)
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 08:26 PM
malaise (256,754 posts)
3. this is the worst admnistration in history
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Response to malaise (Reply #3)
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 08:28 PM
Wwcd (6,288 posts)
5. Nothing in American history compares to the ugly that this one brought upon us.
You are correct.
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Response to Wwcd (Original post)
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 08:40 PM
babylonsister (170,306 posts)
8. Outdoor clothing company Patagonia donates entire $10m Black Friday sales to environmental organisat
Response to babylonsister (Reply #8)
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 08:48 PM
Wwcd (6,288 posts)
9. They have had it with Trump's bull crap.
They will fight this stupidity with the Antiquities Law in their hands.
Best of luck to them, & I hope more like him join this lawsuit. |
Response to babylonsister (Reply #8)
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 09:44 PM
SunSeeker (49,596 posts)
13. Wow. If I had known, I would have bought Patagonia stuff!
It is a little pricey but very high quality.
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Response to Wwcd (Original post)
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 09:02 PM
CousinIT (8,159 posts)
10. He's doing this at the behest of the Koch Bros & other oil/gas/fossil fuel interests. n/t
Response to CousinIT (Reply #10)
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 10:08 PM
Wwcd (6,288 posts)
15. Remember when Chaffetz wanted to sell off Bears Ears & other Mtn landmarks,
The oil & gas drilling & decimation of our land was decided early on. No doubt long before the planned selection of DT.
Putin & Roseneft, Kochs, Tillerson & Exxon etc, & every one of the Media & Congressional GOP they purchased just to carve up America for their own profits. This is disgraceful. |
Response to Wwcd (Original post)
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 10:06 PM
Buns_of_Fire (16,235 posts)
14. Can a Presidential Proclamation under the Antiquities Act
be amended after-the-fact by an Orange Baboon?
Section 2 of the American Antiquities Act of 1906 (16 USC 431-433): That the President of the United States is hereby authorized, in his discretion, to declare by public proclamation historic landmarks, historic and prehistoric structures, and other objects of historic or scientific interest that are situated upon the lands owned or controlled by the Government of the United States to be national monuments, and may reserve as a part thereof parcels of land, the limits of which in all cases shall be confined to the smallest area compatible with proper care and management of the objects to be protected: Provided, That when such objects are situated upon a tract covered by a bona fied unperfected claim or held in private ownership, the tract, or so much thereof as may be necessary for the proper care and management of the object, may be relinquished to the Government, and the Secretary of the Interior is hereby authorized to accept the relinquishment of such tracts in behalf of the Government of the United States. (Bold mine) https://www.nps.gov/history/local-law/anti1906.htm
That bolded part appears to be the gist of the argument by Rump and Zinke: does the government need to protect all 1,351,849 acres of land when there's MONEY to be made by leasing most of it out to drillers and frackers and development and Rump International Golf Courses? Not to mention, of course, that the Proclamation was issued by that horrid black man from Kenya. |
Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #14)
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 10:13 PM
Wwcd (6,288 posts)
17. Interesting post. If there's a way around the proclamation, trump et al, will find it.
He'll try something like eminent domain if push comes to shove. An executive order
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Response to Wwcd (Reply #17)
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 10:45 PM
Buns_of_Fire (16,235 posts)
18. That's where I think the fight may be.
A Proclamation made under the Antiquities Act is authorized by the Antiquities Act -- almost like an amendment to the Act, and thus part of it. Can an EO trump (I hate using that term) a Proclamation authorized by an Act of Congress? Can a new Proclamation supersede an old Proclamation?
I think I just gave myself an headache. This is why I don't begrudge real lawyers what they get paid. Either way, it's a tacky-ass move by "President" Orange Baboon. |
Response to Wwcd (Original post)
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 10:10 PM
defacto7 (13,485 posts)