HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » High-tech suicide machine...

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 12:49 PM

High-tech suicide machine makes death a painless, peaceful, optimal way to go

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/high-tech-suicide-machine-makes-death-a-painless-peaceful-optimal-way-to-go/

In a world filled with chaos, a new “suicide machine” allows people to exit life in an orderly, peaceful manner. The Sarco is a technological marvel, resembling some kind of futuristic sleeping chamber, that aids in voluntary assisted dying.

Australian doctor Philip Nitschke, whom Newsweek identifies as the “Elon Musk of assisted suicide,” unveiled the new apparatus earlier this week, just days after lawmakers in the state of Victoria voted to legalize euthanasia. The device simplifies what Nitschke dubs “rational suicides,” ensuring that the process is painless and easy—an optimal way to go.

The Sarco was developed by Nitschke’s organization, Exit International, which bills itself as an “aid-in-dying” organisation. The machine includes a base topped by a translucent chamber perfectly proportioned to comfortably fit a human which. After settling in the pod, the user will push a button and the chamber will start to “fill up with liquid nitrogen to bring the oxygen level down to about 5 percent.” Around the minute mark, the user will become unconscious, experiencing almost no pain, according to the Newsweek report. (The doctor describes the changes as akin to “an airplane cabin depressurizing.”) After death comes, which is fairly swift, the chamber can be used as a coffin. The base, just fyi, is reusable.

In a press release, Exit International notes the Sarco “was designed so that it can be 3D printed and assembled in any location” and that blueprints “will be free, made open-source, and placed on the Internet.” While accessibility is a major selling point, there is one hurdle would-be users will need to clear: a “mental questionnaire” that’s available online. Once a client has established mental health, they’re given a 4-digit code that opens the capsule door, the first in a series of steps to “a peaceful death…in just a few minutes.”

[more at link...]

44 replies, 8861 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 44 replies Author Time Post
Reply High-tech suicide machine makes death a painless, peaceful, optimal way to go (Original post)
smirkymonkey Dec 2017 OP
Blue_Adept Dec 2017 #1
smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #2
dixiegrrrrl Dec 2017 #6
The_jackalope Dec 2017 #3
smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #5
dixiegrrrrl Dec 2017 #8
smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #13
LeftInTX Dec 2017 #40
Duppers Dec 2017 #44
Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #9
The_jackalope Dec 2017 #10
malaise Dec 2017 #24
The_jackalope Dec 2017 #41
Binkie The Clown Dec 2017 #4
Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #32
Aristus Dec 2017 #7
The_jackalope Dec 2017 #12
sl8 Dec 2017 #35
Aristus Dec 2017 #38
spiderpig Dec 2017 #11
Initech Dec 2017 #14
sl8 Dec 2017 #15
smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #19
Thor_MN Dec 2017 #25
NutmegYankee Dec 2017 #39
EX500rider Dec 2017 #16
Stinky The Clown Dec 2017 #17
defacto7 Dec 2017 #33
NurseJackie Dec 2017 #18
n2doc Dec 2017 #20
smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #21
lindysalsagal Dec 2017 #22
hunter Dec 2017 #23
0rganism Dec 2017 #26
n2doc Dec 2017 #28
0rganism Dec 2017 #29
pangaia Dec 2017 #27
defacto7 Dec 2017 #31
defacto7 Dec 2017 #30
FarCenter Dec 2017 #36
defacto7 Dec 2017 #43
snooper2 Dec 2017 #34
Calculating Dec 2017 #37
The_jackalope Dec 2017 #42

Response to smirkymonkey (Original post)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 12:53 PM

1. Excellent!

While I do believe there should be solid measures to ensure such things are utilized right, I'm very much in favor of right to end life. But I grew up reading Heinlein's Lazarus Long and so much of Time Enough for Love defined my views, including the character's regular dialogue on his right to a suicide switch to end his life.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 01:07 PM

2. I agree. Especially with the decrease in long term healthcare options for the terminally/chronically

ill and elderly, I think there should be a painless/peaceful way out for people who have run out of options. Nobody should have to jump to their death from a height, shoot themselves, overdose or choose some other painful and messy way to end it when the time comes.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 01:44 PM

6. I've been in favor of this for decades.

I hope the states which now allow euthanasia will be able to provide something like this, and hope more states will allow people the option of how they want to exit their time on earth.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to smirkymonkey (Original post)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 01:08 PM

3. My wife received a medically assisted death three months ago

She had ovarian cancer. The legal process is called MAID (Medical Assistance In Dying) here in Canada.

The method was a 3-part IV injection of anesthetics - Midazolam, propofol and rocuronium. It was utterly peaceful and serene. The most pain involved was inserting the IV line in her hand. She was unconscious within 10 seconds, and death occurred in under five minutes. It took place in our living room, and was exactly what we both wanted.

That said, the procedure required medical approval and assistance. One advantage of this approach is that death is virtually certain. Most self-administered deaths have significant room for error,which can leave one incapacitated but still alive. I faced that possibility with her two weeks before the final ending.

I posted the story of her last hours here on the End of Life Issues board:
Memento Mori

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to The_jackalope (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 01:31 PM

5. Thank you for that. I responded to your post in that group.

I would have posted this there, but I didn't even know that the group existed until now.

I really wish we had that option here in the US. I am so sorry about your wife's passing, but I am glad she was able to go peacefully and on her own terms.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 01:50 PM

8. If you read the article, you will see we DO have that option in some of the states

and a surprising number of other countries.
and that 73 % of the people are in favor of it, esp. us boomers.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 02:02 PM

13. I know we have the option, but not the exact same way, i.e. the physician administered

injections. Here, you are given medication to go home and take yourself. I always thought it would be easier to have the option to go just like you were being put under for surgery instead of waiting for the medication to kick in.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 04:40 PM

40. I believe you have to be able swallow your own meds

Which means you have to be well enough.

I saw an HBO documentary about it.

I was afraid the woman would not be able to keep the meds down. She had liver cancer and her belly had ballooned up. She couldn't eat.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:27 PM

44. Those states are ...

California, Colorado, Oregon, Vermont, D.C. and Washington.


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to The_jackalope (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 01:58 PM

9. What a beautiful post for a beautiful relationship. Many never find that in this life. n/t

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Kirk Lover (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 02:00 PM

10. Thank you. I count blessings every minute. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to The_jackalope (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 03:00 PM

24. My favorite cousin's wife chose the same process in Canada

last year.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malaise (Reply #24)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 05:24 PM

41. It's nice to live in a civilized country. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to smirkymonkey (Original post)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 01:20 PM

4. My first thought....


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Binkie The Clown (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 03:35 PM

32. Soylent Green wasn't a movie, it was the menu, baby!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to smirkymonkey (Original post)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 01:46 PM

7. I prefer my suicide machines chrome-wheeled, fuel-injected, and steppin' it out over the line.

n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Aristus (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 02:01 PM

12. Get out while you're young...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Aristus (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 03:52 PM

35. Good enough for tramps like you, I suppose. n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sl8 (Reply #35)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 04:15 PM

38. Yeah, I get that a lot...

n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to smirkymonkey (Original post)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 02:01 PM

11. I don't have a fear of death. I have a fear of suffering.

I'm all for a merciful, benign release.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to smirkymonkey (Original post)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 02:08 PM

14. Damn Futurama wasn't too far off!

'

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to smirkymonkey (Original post)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 02:10 PM

15. Liquid nitrogen?!

Nitrogen asphyxiation makes sense, but using gaseous nitrogen, not liquid.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sl8 (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 02:19 PM

19. I thought that was a little strange too. Liquid nitrogen would turn you into an

icicle on contact. I'm pretty sure it was an error.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sl8 (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 03:02 PM

25. Such is the state of science in journalism.

 

It is undoubtedly gaseous nitrogen, but it may be sourced from a liquid nitrogen supply. They certainly are not filling the chambers with liquid nitrogen.

The "suffocation is horrible" boo-birds are likely to make an appearance, not understanding that the drive to breath is CO2 build-up in the blood. It has nothing to do with lack of oxygen. In the device, one continues to breath out CO2, while not replacing it with oxygen. By preventing CO2 increasing in the blood, there is no sense of suffocation, just loss of consciousness, then death.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Thor_MN (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 04:23 PM

39. Kills many in confined space/tank accidents around the world.

I purposely explain the CO2 effect on "air hunger" and how you won't know you aren't getting O2 as I stress the importance of tank postings and tank watches.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to smirkymonkey (Original post)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 02:10 PM

16. Reminds me of: "Fry Meets Bender In A Suicide Booth"

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to smirkymonkey (Original post)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 02:16 PM

17. I am totally opposed to capital punishment, but, if the states insist on it, why not . . . .

. . . . with devices similar to this? They way we carry out executions these days is barbaric. Even the guillotine was faster and therefore more humane.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 03:40 PM

33. And that 6 or 7 seconds after the head is severed

and some contiousness is still likely is less problematic I'm sure. I'll let you know next time I get guillotined.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink



Response to smirkymonkey (Original post)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 02:37 PM

20. Que the screaming from the bible thumpers

Who want everyone to die in as much pain as possible, because, Gawd

(this sounds like a good way to go. And if it goes to N2 atmosphere only, for enough time (say, 30 minutes), no chance of failure.

Amazing how states continue to use the most painful ways possible for the death penalty.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to n2doc (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 02:42 PM

21. Yes, they are pro-life, but if you have to die, they want you to die in the most

horrible way that exists. They are such hypocrites.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to smirkymonkey (Original post)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 02:49 PM

22. And we can't use this in our prisons instead of lethal injection?

Seems like a much better choice, for states that have capital crimes.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to smirkymonkey (Original post)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 02:55 PM

23. Last Cab to Darwin



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3680410/

I don't know what my opinion is. My rational mind is at odds with the bizarre cultural/religious beliefs (not exclusive to Christianity) that any suffering there's no relief from purifies the soul or something; that whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger, even if it does kill you.

Picture all these dead people walking around in heaven, a never ending dinner party where you eventually bump into everyone you've ever met in this life. Those who died peacefully in their sleep 103 years old having never known adversity are not the heavenly celebrities some young guy who was crucified by the Romans is.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to smirkymonkey (Original post)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 03:03 PM

26. and... a major piece of the GOP replacement health care plan falls into place

over 60? don't have enough $$$ to afford adequate insurance? here's an alternative plan that can save your descendants a whole mess of expensive trouble! now available at a DMV near you!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to 0rganism (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 03:06 PM

28. Not painful enough

The GOP plan is for the 99% to die in a ditch, screaming, and dead broke. Or maybe in a concrete cell.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to n2doc (Reply #28)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 03:14 PM

29. the pain seems optional, maybe they can make us pay a premium for painless deaths

want to go painlessly with dignity intact? have a quiet pain-free death in private for a simple $351.99 donation to your state Republican party!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to smirkymonkey (Original post)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 03:05 PM

27. "Around the minute mark, the user will become unconscious, experiencing almost no pain,"



"ALMOST" ? What does 'almost" mean?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pangaia (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 03:35 PM

31. Not sure why they said that myself.

I have read that Nitrogen is painless even euphoric. Maybe it depends on the illness the person is suffering.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to smirkymonkey (Original post)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 03:31 PM

30. An interesting device but unnecessary.

Last edited Mon Dec 4, 2017, 05:56 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm all for end of life choice. All that's needed is the nitrogen, a small container and a mask. Nitrogen creates a light sense of euphoria. Not a bad way to go. Good old ether (sp) works as well, it just stinks.

Edit: I should have said chloroform.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to defacto7 (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 03:55 PM

36. Would nitrous oxide work? Go happily.

 

It would seem that an old dry cleaning bag filled with any gas other than oxygen would do.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to FarCenter (Reply #36)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 05:55 PM

43. Yes, that works as well.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to smirkymonkey (Original post)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 03:45 PM

34. I developed one of these but with mine the whole device is re-usable-

 

After the person passes their body is instantly incinerated and neatly packaged into an urn. If you hadn't pre-selected one there is a touch screen on the front so your family member can select the one that best matches their mantel.


Actually, need to start writing that patent now

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to smirkymonkey (Original post)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 04:00 PM

37. Why the hell aren't we using this for the death penalty?

Seems loads better than the lethal injection bs they currently use.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Calculating (Reply #37)

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 05:46 PM

42. Non enough pain. "Vengeance is mine, saith the state..." nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread