Chatter saying Pence may resign since the Flynn flip

[Wwcd]

https://mobile.twitter.com/PuestoLoco/status/936685184782499841

Mueller will take down the entire Transition Team
Pence knows its coming & Trump needs to go at the exact same time.
McConnel & Ryan too.
P.L.E.A.S.E !!

Am Waiting to hear more on Pence.

Puesto Loco™
Puesto Loco™
@PuestoLoco
JUST IN:
Sources are telling me they are hearing out of Indiana that Pence is talking about resigning if #MuellerTime gets any closer. Sounds like #FlynnAftershock

[LisaM]

1. That works for me if Trump appoints Hillary to replace him.

Actually, I'd also accept Al Gore or John Kerry.

[Pachamama]

4. Here is a shocking thought:

I personally would even accept GWB if that is who it had to be - aka a former Republican President....

[StevieM]

42. If Bush was appointed, he would only be allowed to serve for two years.

There is a 10 year maximum as to how long you can serve.

I guess they could appoint Dan Quayle. Which, ironically enough, mean that if he became president we would have a smarter man in the Oval Office.

25 years ago nobody would even believe that a Vice-President Quayle ascending to the presidency could mean a smarter president moving forward.

[Whiskeytide]

49. Dont forget Cheney is out there. (Shudder). n/t.

[BBG]

107. Fuck that noise

The war criminal Cheney can go to the Hague but that’s as far as I can see sending him.

[Sunlei]

176. Cheney got his daughter elected last election, that family is still IN our federal gov.

can't even remember what state, one of those low population republican 'owned' states. A state where one vote =about 35 votes for electoral college power.

[DarleenMB]

178. Sad to say it is WYOMING

the idiot voters here kicked her to the curb when she sauntered in a few years back taking aim at Senator Enzi. As her luck would have it, Cynthia Lummox (or whatever the heck her last name is) decided to "retire" so it was an easy win for the carpetbagger.

Yeah, a LOT of us here are plenty pissed about this.

[Sunlei]

180. ok, thats the state. Yup, Republicans are like a cancer, once in they never really go away.

With climate change your winters will be much less severe as a couple decades go by. Pick up land now for cheap, as many Republicans already do. Rivers of fresh water are the goldmines of the future.

[kst]

83. No, it's not phrased as a 10 year maximum

The 22nd Amendment says:

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

The only restriction is on being elected as President. In principle, if Pence resigned, Trump could nominate George W. Bush as VP. If Bush is confirmed by Congress and Trump then leaves office, Bush would server the remainder of the term as President.

(It would arguably violate the spirit of the 22nd Amendment, which was written before there was a mechanism to replace a Vice President. That alone would likely make confirmation by Congress difficult.)

[StevieM]

88. Thanks for pointing that out. I thought that Bush would have to resign under that scenario

but I guess not.

I see that you have only posted 13 times in almost 11 years. I am flattered that I got you to post. And I hope you will stick around and post with us more often.

[calimary]

194. Welcome to DU, kst!

Last edited Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:29 PM - Edit history (1)

Thanks for the details here. Not enough of us drill down into things for a fuller understanding. Especially when time and personal pressures (and priorities) draw many of us away. I always appreciate it when somebody brings little background factoids and such to a post here. You can learn a lot, that way.

Appreciations here to all the DUers who do the research and find the links! Sometimes it's like taking a master class around here.

Edited to spell your screen name correctly! My apologies! Sometimes I don’t proofread as conscientiously as I should.

[kst]

206. Thanks!

And it's kst (my initials).

[calimary]

214. There!

I fixed it for me.

[Lulu KC]

110. Yes--thought of Dan Quayle so often.

Last edited Sat Dec 2, 2017, 01:52 PM - Edit history (1)

As if misspelling potato was a major problem. We were so innocent.

[StevieM]

123. I put up a post awhile ago challenging people to rate the following Republicans in order

of intelligence. Listed alphabetically, they were:


George W. Bush
Sarah Palin
Dan Quayle
Donald Trump

My order was:

George W. Bush
Dan Quayle
Donald Trump
Sarah Palin

[Pepsidog]

135. I actually think Palin is smarter than Trump. Maybe Quayle over W

[StevieM]

151. A reasonable list. My rankings need not be your rankings!! (eom)

[malchickiwick]

195. Those are perhaps the four most unintelligent people in the history of American public life.

I would go:

Quayle
W.
Baked Alaskan
Donnie Bone-Spur

[erronis]

199. Hey. Intelligence is a negative as far as litmus tests for the uglican orthodoxy.

I think "buyable" is the most critical attribute.

[argyl]

164. Remember the flack he took over being in the National Guard instead of VietNam?

Sheesh, twelve years later Gee Dubya was in the Guard with service a little shady and he took the Presidency.
And he ran with Mr. five deferences and now we’ve got the Bone Spur Kid who did his service by dropping his drawers and getting a good slug of antibiotics.
Damn, Quayle looks like Audie Murphy compared to these clowns.

[karynnj]

184. Not to mention he ran against Al Gore and John Kerry who both served in Vietnam

In fact, Gore may have been the first of many Democrats who served honorably in Vietnam who had their service minimized as not enough. In his case, it was that he was in a non combat position and that he was in Vietnam less than a year - implying he pulled strings to return early rather than the truth, he served state side first and had less than a year left when he went to Vietnam. https://www.snopes.com/politics/military/gorevietnam.asp There is the Snopes - note that even on this, there are comments that argue that he was exaggerating in his campaign - just because of pictures shown. (Note the similarity to the way the RW lied on both Kerry and even Cleland AND how the media would not openly call these entire smear operations lies.)

Note that the Democrat was not compared to his opponent, but to some mythical ideal - and where the Democrat came close - like with the events that led to Kerry's two prestigious medals - they claimed the NAVY's account was a lie and written by the nominee (because the military always lets 26 year old junior officers to do so )

[FakeNoose]

190. It was Dan Quayle who did that (I'm pretty sure)

Dan Quayle was no intellectual giant either, but the media really raked him over the coals when he spelled it "potatoe." Really?! I'd take him over Pence any day of the week, if that's his only offense.

Just sayin'

[thesquanderer]

177. If the Repubs had to maneuver someone into succession, I'd predict Romney. (n/t)

[magicarpet]

182. If the Vice President is opened up....

They would go with a rabid Hyper-Christian Fundamentalist to excite the base and prevent the pResident from being tossed out. The alternative being so distasteful -impeachment of the current pResident is off the table.

Let's say a Ted Cruz or a Roy Moore, or Tony Perkins, or Jerry L. Falwell Jr. of Liberty University - these types would shield the standing pResident from impeachment.

It is like George Herbert Walker Bush picking the dummy Quayle for VP. This was Poppy's insurance policy against impeachment or possible assassination. The dummy Dan in the Oval Office was a horror thought, and gave Poppy breathing space.

[karynnj]

186. I think some of them would not be confirmable in the Senate nt

[Scruffy1]

203. This sounds plausable.

I remember the switch from Agnew to Ford..

[klook]

9. What, you think Jared can't take on another job?

What does the VP do, anyway? How hard can it be?

[Wwcd]

18. Lol. Jared's got the dna creds & the top security clearance to be..wait..umm

Think of the worst person in DC except trump.
That's who he'll pick if Pence bails.

Has to be someone who isn't on the indictment list nor involved with Trump/Putin crimes. It has to be someone who will be able to pardon them.

Probably some a-hole like Newt.

[klook]

21. Yep, or Giuliani. (nt)

[rpannier]

69. I don't think it can be Ghooliani

Both he and il douche are from New York. I think they have to be different states

[elehhhhna]

130. Rush or Alex

[Sunlei]

181. ghoul had the contacts with the "retired" FBI and Republican campaign access. Hes in deep with Rs.

Some of the R party people heads have to roll, Republican party is 'using' trump family as a shield between Republicans and THEIR Russian 'buddies'. IMO.

[davsand]

26. Bannon!

[hedda_foil]

35. Sessions

[Wwcd]

41. Jeffy!

[hatrack]

44. "Choosy Motherfuckers Choose Jeff!"

[Different Drummer]

46. ...

[womanofthehills]

103. Sessions is going down with them

[Chemisse]

73. Chris Christie!

He may be the only one who was out of the loop on the Russia dealings.

[LisaM]

40. Well, that made me laugh.

Here, Jared, you do it!!!

[NCjack]

111. How about the runner up in the GOP convention that

nominated The Donald?

Rick Santorum.

[irisblue]

117. Go on, google Santorum. Then laugh, hard.

[NCjack]

122. Don't need to, but GOPPERs will see him as acceptable.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

55. Uhhh, in what alternative reality might this happen?

Keep in mind that a replacement needs to be confirmed by the House of Representatives, and the last I looked there are more Republicans there than Democrats.

If Pence resigns, his replacement will be some horror of a conservative Republican who will be at least as bad as Pence.

[Puzzledtraveller]

208. I know

I really hate seeing ideas like this because they are so removed from reality it doesn't even serve us to consider them but I understand. If I think they are a waste I don't have to read them.

[homegirl]

59. Next in line?

Trump would replace Pence with a family member. Maybe his sister who is a retired judge.

[TeamPooka]

77. it would be Ivanka.

[GetRidOfThem]

93. or Howard Dean!

[Ken Burch]

144. Pretty sure he'd rather eat his own Kentucky Fried Testicles with a knife and fork

than do that.

[Phoenix61]

2. Never forget

Pence was picked by Manafort.

[Pachamama]

5. +1000

Exactly

[BigmanPigman]

50. And Pence's brother has ties with Russian money...

coincidence?

[Wwcd]

95. Ed Pence - Cummins Engines CEO, is a big player in RU

https://www.google.com/amp/s/miningawareness.wordpress.com/2017/06/21/is-cummins-vp-pences-motive-for-ignoring-cummings-warning-re-flynn-cummins-literally-moves-russia-including-military-partners-with-kamaz-owned-by-russian-gov-owned-sanctioned-entities-rostec-a/amp/

Found a good read from 6/2017.

Apparantly Rep Elijah Cummings warned VP Mike Pence about Gen Flynn, but his warnings were ignored.
This may be why.
Brother Ed Pence & Russia

Is Cummins VP Pence’s Motive for Ignoring US Congressman Cummings’ Warning Re Flynn?

Cummins Engines Literally Moves Russia, Including Military; Partners With KAMAZ Owned By Russian Gov Owned-Sanctioned Entities Rostec & Sberbank

Pence gives Putin brophile a new meaning and takes Russiaphilia to a whole new level.
It gives VP Pence MOTIVE for ignoring US Congressman Cummings’ warning, last November, re Flynn. Cummins is deeply involved in Russia through sales and joint ventures.

Up until at least last year, Cummins engines have been used in the GAZ Tiger vehicles, used by Russian, Syrian and other military.

And the issue appearing here again, is Russian Sanctions

MORE at Link..
Hmm hmm hmmm

[BigmanPigman]

132. Fantastic...thanks.

Saved it and already shared it with my Dem family members.

[Wwcd]

137. I read it & knowing what we now know, compared to last June,

..a lot of that story stands out in a very big way.

Should be front page so definately send it on.
Kinda important stuff to know about the Pence brothers.

[BigmanPigman]

150. I just told my neighbor about it too.

The thing is not many people know about this...I sure hope that Mueller gets it and documentation. Happy New Year to all of us if that IS the case.

[Phoenix61]

154. I've scratched my head for awhile

trying to figure out how the heck Manafort had even heard of Pence...now I know. Thanks for sharing.

[Sneederbunk]

3. Make it be so. So long Spiro, I mean Mike.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

79. Good one...

... I have been contemplating Spiro and his resignation lately. If only for precedent on what happens.

[still_one]

6. I do not want ryan

[Corgigal]

19. Ryan and McConnell are both dirty.

Russian tools, see the tax plan today. They are trying to set up their pay masters, and themselves for their afterlife. Afterlife, being after their political careers are destroyed, but they did it themselves. I'm sure they were taped somewhere along the way.

[lagomorph777]

25. Mueller will nail them too.

[CentralMass]

54. Exactly.

[Lucky Luciano]

92. Hatch would come after Ryan - he is probably clean re the Russians. nt

[Gidney N Cloyd]

78. Ugh, yeah. That's why Pence has to be Spiro'd before Trump leaves.

I wouldn't doubt there's a secret short list of acceptable VPs somewhere.

[A HERETIC I AM]

148. Roy Moore?

[Gidney N Cloyd]

157. :-)

[lagomorph777]

7. No doubt Flynn can reveal that he never lied to Pence.

Pence was part of the whole plot.

[lindysalsagal]

30. Flynn has to have the goods on pense.

Loving it!

[unblock]

43. no doubt flynn can *testify* against pence, but can he provide hard evidence?

any emails, e.g.?

that's the real question imho.

[pbmus]

8. Let it be so....

[marylandblue]

10. Who is Puesto Loco?

[beaglelover]

11. Who is PuestoLoco and why should we believe him?

[Progressive dog]

20. Good question

[lagomorph777]

28. A quick search gives this:

"Puesto Loco™ (@PuestoLoco) Twitter Influencer Analysis | Klear
https://klear.com/profile/PuestoLoco
Puesto Loco™ is a Top 6% Twitter Influencer in the Liberal community. Research their Influencer Analysis on Klear, the leading Influencer Marketing Platform."

I don't know whether that really means anything.

[colbertforpresident]

70. I followed him

on twitter for a little bit. he spreads lots of rumors and claims inside knowledge. Many of his rumors never came true. He was on an anti Bernie Sanders campaign and blocked me when I accused him of trying to split democrats. He may just be a Russian troll. He's unreliable.

[Wwcd]

109. Sometimes its best just to move on to a post we are comfortable with

..spreads lots of rumors and claims inside knowledge. Many of his rumors never came true.
And you would know they are rumors that never came true because you followed him for a little while??

That is your opinon.
And you bring Sanders into this . I see.
Whatever.
Choose another thread to read.
The gist of your opinion of Puesto Loco seems completly unfair & biased in this case.
I won't be offended if you ignore my postings.
Nor do I care why.

No one says anyone has to read or approve of this thread.
There are often threads & postings right here on DU that I believe are biased or factually untrue.
I just move on to another on in that case.

Its really that simple.

Thanks. Later.

[melman]

120. People are allowed to comment as they wish

Why are you getting so defensive about this Puesto Loco guy?

[Wwcd]

126. I believe the defensive part came from others than me

I'm just enjoying the possibility along with everyone else.
Why are some so mad about a tweet that gives us cause to speculate the possibility.

How can some comment against Puesto Loco if they don't follow him thus barely know what he tweets.

I don't start shit with anyone that tears down Donald Trump & his mob.

Ok. Back to enjoying the rest here in speculating the possibility.
I want Pence to be taken down by the long arm of Robert Mueller, and for a moment tonight, i'll join the other posters here in the possibility of it happening.

[womanofthehills]

165. I follow him on Twitter & there is no way in hell Puesto Loco is a Russian troll

His followers include Scott Dworkin, Andrea Chalupa, Brian Krassenstein, Caroline O, Claude Taylor, etc. I find him reliable.

[melman]

166. Who is he?

Besides a nobody on twitter. Why would this guy be hearing 'chatter'?

[wryter2000]

12. Someone pinch me

I'm going to be so pissed if I wake up and this is a dream.

[Wwcd]

119. Me too. There is enough on Pence that I believe he may indeed want to resign.

I am certainly watching for more on this.
He knows he was part of that RU meeting with Flynn. He has to know Mueller knows too.

please please please & hurry up!!

[Sophia4]

13. They will appoint someone like Pompeo just to scare the Democrats into putting

up with Trump.

Or they will appoint some conservative with a terrible agenda.

It isn't particularly good if Pence resigns.

We are now in the realm of revenge politics.

[delisen]

24. We need to choose the replacement now.

I nominate the winner of the popular vote and probably the real winner of the election, and Vladimir Putin's worst nightmare, Hillary Clinton.

[Volaris]

71. Agreed. But since these cases will take time, we might as well do it by Democratic means,

After we retake control of the House next year, the new Majority can nominate Hillary Speaker, and the Trump/Pence ticket can be impeached. No worries about GOP line of ascension, and Clinton gets what's already hers by Right.

[EL34x4]

76. We don't get to choose the replacement.

I hate to be the crusher of dreams, but there is no path to the White House for Hillary Clinton as a result of the Mueller investigation.

[delisen]

86. Nonsense. President nominates Congress approves.

It takes the bold to demand justice or nothing has a chance to happen.

These aren't dreams to crush, they are calls to action.

A weak Democratic Party is one that makes no demand for justice.

Why do you think many consider us weak? A tendency to roll over and claim we can't do anything.

Some revolutionaries, huh.

Voters are not looking for a weak party to help them.

[questionseverything]

153. the time to be strong was when many of us were begging hc to participate in the wis recount

and/or Michigan

the only real hope is Mueller prosecutes enough repubs in the house and senate to switch the majority

[delisen]

169. I saw no good political reason to for Clinton to participate in those recounts

beyond what she/her campaign did.

In any case, is it always too late to protest?

Is the only role of the citizenry in a democratic republic to stand, and wait, and hope?

Is the Bill of Rights useless?

[questionseverything]

202. her campaign did nothing

russians infiltrate us electronically and no one bothers to HAND COUNT the votes

[delisen]

204. Her campaign joined the recount-what else did you want them to do?

[questionseverything]

205. lil half hearted

Stein is seeking full recounts in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, all states where Clinton narrowly lost to Donald Trump. After declining to take up the recount cause, Clinton’s campaign said last weekend that it would cooperate in the process.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/29/hillary-clinton-election-recount-wisconsin-jill-stein

/////////////////////

poor stein gets nothing but hate for trying to prove hc won

///////////////////

wisconsin recounts have a bad past when it comes to chain of custody, read some brad blog to catch up

hc's power ,influence and the man power of her supports might of made a difference if it had been her and not stein

<shrugs>

i fear bama will be the same

[lindysalsagal]

36. Pense's resignation tips the whole boat over. They'll all run

Like rats at that point. There will be no administration.

[delisen]

89. Great we demand Hillary's nomination to vp. Let

Trump tweet himself into apoplexy.

[karynnj]

187. Wait.. you do know that TRUMP is the one to make that nomination

He absolutely would not nominate Clinton, who he seriously hates. I can't imagine him selecting a Democrat - even one has at times gotten along with - like Schumer. Look at the type of people picked for cabinet appointments - they are almost all right of center Republicans. (Huntsman might be the only one not in the right half of the Republican party)

[Me.]

91. Disagree

The agenda can't get any worse....Pence resigns helps us as it takes Ryan, who will be over his head, out of the house, that is if it happens before 2018, after...it may be Pelosi. We don't want dominionist Pence any more than we want Trump.

[Sophia4]

94. I think we actually agree, although as you point out, what happens all depends

on whether it happens pre- or post-2018.

I don't want Pence, but I don't want Ryan either.

Do you remember what happened when Agnew resigned during the Nixon administration?

"Under the process decreed by the 25th Amendment to the Constitution, President Nixon was instructed to the fill vacant office of vice president by nominating a candidate who then had to be approved by both houses of Congress. Nixon’s appointment of Representative Gerald Ford of Michigan was approved by Congress and, on December 6, Ford was sworn in. He became the 38th president of the United States on August 9, 1974, after the escalating Watergate affair caused Nixon to resign.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/vice-president-agnew-resigns

[Me.]

97. But That Was Because Agnew Was Gone

So it depends on who goes first Trump or Pence. I think Trump once they get the tax bill done..though how fast...and how hard will they go after Pence...I think I saw that Pence is thinking of resigning...so it's all about timing and who goes first and when. Hatch comes after Pelosi if the Cons hold. but it would be so karma perfect if it was Pelosi.

[Sophia4]

108. If Trump goes first, it changes everything.

But I am thinking Pence sill go first. Who knows? I don't. Yes. It would be karma perfect if Pelosi became president. Not so great for Democrats though in my opinion.

Pelosi is a good leader in Congress, but probably doesn't have the dramatic flair needed in the presidency.

[Me.]

113. Again We Disagree

Nancy runs a tight ship and has gotten legislature through that no one else could. The Cons won't run over her, she has a whip hand when needed. We don't need drama, we've had plenty of that, we need someone who can get this country moving in a good, progressive order. The speak softly, carry a big stick meme could apply to her.

[Sophia4]

124. We need someone who can get elected in 2020 or cede to someone who

can get elected in 2020.

Nancy Pelosi will not win the hearts of Americans. She does not have the charisma.

It will be Hillary all over again. I know that hurts a lot of good Democrats on DU, but we need a candidate who has charisma and can win a national election.

Unfortunately, Nancy Pelosi is not the one.

And I'm from California, so I really, really like her.

But she doesn't have that charisma. She does have the capacity, the strength and a kind personality. But she does not have the charisma.

[Me.]

145. She Doesn't Need To Get Re-Elected

Just to hold the office for another Dem. Unless, of course, if Americans are impressed by what a woman can do

[Sophia4]

152. Holding the office -- you mean like LBJ did?

No. We need a person who will win not just the trust, but the enthusiastic support of the vast majority of Americans.

I don't think that Nancy Pelosi is the one.

It is very unfair, but Republicans have so blackened her name and reputation that she would be a controversial, divisive figure through no fault of her own.

We need someone that the Republicans have not already campaigned against.

[Me.]

159. This All May Take PLace Before 2020

whoever it is will be a person who assumes the office under the terms of succession until an election takes place and I'll be very happy if it's Nancy instead of a Con.

[delisen]

171. Charisma-the magic potion for those too weak to think.

Try building a party instead. We built a party leading up to 2008 and it wasn't built out of charisma. We then let it fall apart from 2010 on

The world landscape is littered with the misery left behind from charismatic leaders. When you rely upon charisma, you have given up on democracy-you are seeking the strong man.

PS We had an uncharismatic candidate who won the election despite the fat that our lack of party unity left us completely blindsided by Russian propaganda and other interference--so blindsided that some even now want to ignore the facts.

An important precondition for winning a war is: facing the fact that you are in one.

[karynnj]

189. If Mueller's investigation started to reach both, it would be choreographed as the Agneau/Nixon

one was. As to Pelosi, given that Mueller is already looking at the small transition team, it is hard to believe that if these charges actually happen -- they will happen in 2018.

[uponit7771]

14. Because he can't run for president when he's in jail

[L. Coyote]

15. Trump pardons everyone, Trump resign, Pence pardons Trump, Pence resigns, Ryan pardons Pence.

But first, Trump has to sign his BILLION $$$ Bonus into law and give away a TRILLION $$$$ to his cronies.

[asiliveandbreathe]

16. He can run but he can't hide.....many were indicted and jailed after Nixon resigned..

more than 40 govt. officials indicted and/or jailed...mr. goodytwoshoes - soon - soon before Mueller if he hasn't testified already.....

[Hekate]

17. Reliable source?

[radical noodle]

31. Sounds to me like gossip in Indiana

from those there who hate Pence. Pence would turn in a heartbeat to save himself but I don't see him resigning... at least not yet.

[bathroommonkey76]

39. This guy is starting the "Pence is resigning" rumor

He's the only one on Twitter talking about Pence's resignation:

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=Pence%20is%20talking%20about%20resigning&src=typd

[Wwcd]

52. Ok. Don't pay attention to it. Thats fine, I don't believe half the stuff

I hear on MSM TV either. Consider the news we were fed during the 2016 campaigns.

As I stated ..waiting on more info as to Pence

I've followed Puesto Loco for a long time.
He's given me no reason to dismiss what he says.
Tea Pain twitter is another I follow regularly.

Feel free to pass this by & read other DU postings.

[bathroommonkey76]

102. You should tell that to the other people in this thread who don't believe this guy's tweet. lol

[Wwcd]

105. I really don't care if someone doesn't approve of my postings.

I don't care for everything posted on DU.
But I can just ignore it or move on to something else.
No big deal.

[cwydro]

116. Your OP is misleading.

“Chatter” implies more than one guy typing away on his phone.

[bathroommonkey76]

118. Pointing out misinformation is a good thing for DU as a whole

We aren't a community of #FakeNews Trumptards.

Why does it bother you that I brought this to everyone's attention? I have been on Twitter for a long time and not once have I seen this guy's tweets in my timeline.

What does he do for a living? Is he a reporter? Does he live in Indiana? How did he get this information about Pence? Did you ask these questions whenever you first saw this tweet?

This is his Twitter bio:

Military Anchor Baby - Mom never saw the irony in calling me a Son-of-a-Bitch. Truth is often crazier than fiction so who needs fake news?


Florida Central West Coast

[Me.]

147. At Least 80 Do

if you go by R's. People, starting with Louise, knew before anyone and have been kicked around ever since. Last laughs.

[Puzzledtraveller]

209. It's the kind of thing you wonder

is counter ops, making some take the bait and then old Trumpty Dumpty starts bellowing FAKES NEWS!!

[delisen]

22. There is no way Trump and Republican Party should

nominate and confirm anyone other than H Clinton as the new vp.

Democrats its time to stop being pragmatic appeasers and demand justice.

If we do not make the demand, the bleeding continues and the opportunity for justice evaporates.

Please spare me the political pragmatism approach of :

they will never! we can't do that! we're doomed!

[lunamagica]

67. WORD

[FakeNoose]

192. I know you say this out of your sense of fairness

...however I don't believe that Hillary would ever accept the offer of VP from Trump.
Even knowing that Trump would be gone in less than one year, she'd never do it.

Just sayin'

[brooklynite]

23. One obscure tweet does not chatter make...

[Yonnie3]

33. Not even if we and a thousand others retweet it.

[cwydro]

74. Thank you.

More fake news from the twitterverse.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

27. Maybe we can have a female veep

Ann Coulter?
Ivanka Trump?
Kellyanne Conway?
Betsy DeVos?
Michele Bachmann?
Sarah Palin?

So many "qualified".

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

57. Yes. How in the world would they be able to decide

which one would be best? I'm so very glad I won't have to make that decision.

[keithbvadu2]

133. Bachmann

True or merely believable?

[keithbvadu2]

140. So many "qualified".

[matt819]

29. Holy crap

I leave town for the day and all hell breaks loose.

OK. So Trump is forced out and pencils for stat. So far, so good. Ryan, of course, is a nightmare. Any of them have nightmares. So how’s this for a suggestion. Ryan forms some sort of coalition government, coalition presidency with a democratic vice president. Or he urges the house to name Clinton as the speaker.

Most likely, however, is that he takes the ayn rand approach and destroys what the buffoon in chief has not yet destroyed.

In any case, and incredible news dump for a Friday afternoon.

[FarCenter]

32. Trump would appoint Ted Cruz to replace Pence.

He was the runner up for the nomination.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

85. Senate has to approve and last I heard Cruz is still detested among his fellow senators.

Remember what Franken said not too long ago, something like 'I like Ted Cruz more than anyone else in the Senate likes him. And I hate Ted Cruz.'

[HopeAgain]

34. Not convinced...

Anyone can tweet, and not even a real name for this Tweeter?

[Norbert10]

37. If Flynn is guilty, Pence is guilty

nt

[dae]

104. Correct!

And welcome to DU.

[Blue_true]

162. Agree.

Why would Pence resign if he is innocent? Why would an innocent person resign knowing there is a very good chance that he will President? Pence waited too long, he should have walked away when he first heard the plan to commit treason and went straight to President Obama with what he knew.

[maxsolomon]

38. Tweeter, please.

They're not going anywhere till they're forced to.

[Honeycombe8]

45. We can hope! (But I don't think so.)

Only if he did something bad that Flynn could testify to. Otherwise, this is Pence's one chance to become President. People don' usually walk away from that.

[OKNancy]

47. Don't believe it and that twitter person is not reliable

They are a fun read, but OTT.

[Wwcd]

131. I'll let you know when it's more than chatter. Ok?

I'm rather enjoying the possibility for now.

Thanks

[Vinca]

48. I doubt it. Mother's already measuring the Oval Office for drapes.

[MontanaMama]

127. That made me spit out my wine!!

Mother measuring for drapes.....bwaaahaaaaa!

[Norbert10]

51. Agnew resigned before Nixon

Let it be so

[Vinca]

58. Wasn't Agnew wrapped up in something totally unrelated to Watergate though?

[Norbert10]

66. Youre right but I dont care what charges bring them down

Just get the incompetents out

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

62. That was because he was going to go down

for accepting bribe money while Governor of Maryland. There was plenty of evidence, but alas he was allowed to plead no contest to one charge and never spent any time in jail. Too bad.

I always thought that Richard Nixon should have died in jail.

[kacekwl]

53. If Pence goes I would be happy to take the job.

I would of course would hire the best team of advisors. I have a list and my VP starts with an H ends with a Y.

[DangerousUrNot]

56. Please let that maniac leave politics for good.

He is a weird, hateful little man. He destroyed Indiana and has the audacity to become Vice President.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

60. Agnew went before Nixon

Is history going to repeat itself?

[Lars39]

61. He might as well hide behind a couch if he thinks resigning

will make it all go away.

[Bonx]

63. Great! DOes the peustolocon work for the FBI?

[LiberalLovinLug]

64. He's had this guilty look on his face ever since he was chosen by Trump

[Achilleaze]

68. What would Jesus do?

Well, the real Jesus would act with honor, confess and resign.

But the KGOP is into "republican jesus," and so will lie, and cheat, and try to blame others for their own complete & criminal treasonous betrayal of the USA and the Ten Commandments.

[cwydro]

72. Chatter? One guy on twitter?

[Iggo]

163. Hey! One guy on Twitter, and this thread here at DU.

So...yeah!

[Puzzledtraveller]

210. I really chuckled at that

[CanonRay]

75. Too much to hope for.

Then Trump can appoint David Duke as his new VP.

[workinclasszero]

80. Too late Pence

He has the Trump taint all over himself!

Well if he has half a brain he could run to Mueller and cut a deal for ratting out Donny Bone Spurs.

[Raven123]

81. Don't let it happen. If he is involved,

Pence ishould go down with the ship. Tie him to mast if necessary

[keithbvadu2]

142. Don't waste the ship. Just the anchor.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

82. If Pence & Trump resign simul, it's a good thing that gets Ryan in as lame duck President.

It ruins Ryan's career.

Ryan wants someone else to be the lame duck like Ford was and lose in 2020. He is hoping he can be like Reagan and win in 2024.

Ryan would decline appointment to the VP slot, but would be forced into the Presidency if P & T go simultaneously. Then he can't resign that presidency because he'd never live down the "quitter" rap.

[marble falls]

84. This is truly rich! Cannnot wait, Pence is even MORE dangerous than the Orange Blunder.

[Dopers_Greed]

87. PLEASE, Dear God, PLEASE

Then we get a lame duck Ryan, who will be eventually be taken down when Mueller reveals the extent that Russian oligarchs are funding the Repug party.

[Historic NY]

90. I need a "Nattering nabobs of negativism" speech.

then I might believe.

[progressoid]

96. Yeah, says some doofus on Twitter.

[crazylikafox]

98. Pence was Manafort's candidate. Of course he's guilty.

[irisblue]

99. Go read 'Spiro Agnew' on wikipedia.

[melman]

100. According to Puesto Loco

Unfortunately, that guy has zero credibility.

[Botany]

101. Is this just internet chatter?

[skydive forever]

106. From your lips

to Gods ears.

[moriah]

112. From your fingers to His Noodly Appendages...

Pence resigning would be the ultimate Festivus present.

For the free will of all, and to prevent further harm to our nation.... so mote it be!

I think I just covered all other bases.

[Wwcd]

121. Lol, yup.a darned good start for now!

Go home pence

[Wwcd]

114. I will be watching to see where this goes & definately post when more is brought out.

The thing about this particular news-bit, is that after today, it's completely believable, Pence is up a creek.

[Sedona]

115. Stephanie Miller's wet dream from earlier this week

Dems take the house in 2018, Trump & Pence are simultaneously removed, Speaker Pelosi ascends to POTUS, appoints Hillary as VPOTUS and promptly resigns!

[Wwcd]

129. Geez that is brilliant! I hadn't heard it before.

Well as long as we're dreamin, why not.
Thanks, I'll hang onto that lovely scenario.

[Me.]

149. Cool

Just desserts and karma and all that.

[pangaia]

125. I sure hope they get Chris Collins in that net !!

[SummerSnow]

128. You can run but you can't hide .lol

[Wwcd]

134. Run home to Mother, Mike

C'mon Mueller! Get em

[SummerSnow]

136. Will he pray while running?

[Wwcd]

138. Lol, oh he's gonna be praying really really hard all the way home

[Kablooie]

139. Which would put Paul Ryan as our next president, as long as he doesn't get vacuumed up.

[Wwcd]

141. I want a gif for that! Mueller pushing a vacumn over those traitors

Thanks for the mental image.
We take whatever we can get to survive this republican hellhole

[Ken Burch]

143. So Ryan would then be next-in-line until a new Veep was confirmed.

Which raises the question...if it comes to that, should Dems block a quick confirmation or support one?

[MineralMan]

146. Anonymous Tweeter writes some stuff...

[Oneironaut]

155. This sounds like total bull crap.

Twitter seems to be full of citizen "journalists" who have a lot of "sources." I wouldn't get your hopes up unless a more reputable source says something, and includes actual evidence.

[Hoyt]

158. Yep. I'm fine with people expressing their opinions and hopes, but not presenting

that as fact.

[benld74]

156. He will still get his own cell

[matt819]

161. On the positive side

He won’t have to worry about having any meals with women.

[jimlup]

160. Oh please Oh Please Oh Please

Let it be true! Pence goes down and the Orange Clown goes down.

Worried that he (the orange insane thing) might really do something truly insane on the way down.

[GReedDiamond]

167. I hope this is true, not "fake news"...

...because, ever since Putz, err, I mean Pence became VP, I always felt that he should resign to spend more time with his family.

[jmowreader]

168. I think they're going to have to bring in someone from outside DC

[A-Schwarzenegger]

170. silliness

[trueblue2007]

172. excellent thread. thanks for posting

[malaise]

173. Did you see who was in the big seat in the Senate this morning? n/t

[Sunlei]

174. while it's a "nice dream", tweeting to yourself stuff like "JUST IN: Sources are telling me"

isn't real without a single source.

This is the same exact 'tactic' Russian bots used to pollute our election. 20% of tweets were fake news, faked fancy graphics tweeted by just created fake accounts.

Plenty of deplorable picked up those fake bot-tweets, (like the pizza-gate lies) and re-tweeted them. Even the republican running for president was 'fooled' and used fake-bot tweets in his re-tweets. Because he liked the messages in those bot-accounts.

We Ds may like 'the message' that Pence will quit- but sorry it's just NOT TRUE without a BASIC SOURCE. We are a country of Laws. To get rid of trump he has to be impeached. Push for reality, please.

Twitters a cesspool of fake stuff, a con-mans playground. Very much like a Religion, one "believes" because why? ask "why" please.

Just believing something a person says without any source & 'joining that team, jumping on that bandwagon/cult is similar to what got millions of people slaughtered/enslaved/locked out- over history.

[spanone]

175. i'll believe that when it happens.

[Orrex]

201. This, alas

[Nitram]

179. This goes out to those afraid of dumping Trump because "Pence would be worse."

Pence is as contaminated by this as everyone in the Trump orbit.

[Puzzledtraveller]

211. I think Pence is worse

and fear he will be the damn POTUS before we rout him in 2020, that's not to say I don't think Trump needs to go, just Pence is protected by the etablishment in a way Trump can never be and you wonder if he wasn't insurance against Trump in the first place.

[Nitram]

212. Yes, they have worked hard to protect Pence, and Pense himself has tried to

create a perception of distance from the Trump circle. Mueller's investigation will find that Pence is just as compromised as everybody else who is close to Trump. So is Ryan worse?

[RainCaster]

183. Wishful thinking

And that is all.

[karynnj]

185. I would imagine Pence resigning ONLY if Mueller has solid cause to charge him and offers that

as the cost of no charges. Note this is a case where we are assuming that Mueller will at that point have evidence to take down Pence. Consider 2 possibilities: 1) He knows that Trump himself is very very vulnerable. Note that by stepping down at that point, he would be giving up a very real chance to be President. 2) He views Trump as likely to survive as he was protected from any direct illegal action AND as postulated above Mueller does have a solid case on Pence.

I suspect that IF Pence is in danger, Trump is too - as he is reckless and he had a very chaotic inexperienced team that would not have had the sense to insure that nothing tracked back to Trump. So, we would most likely be in possibility 1. The choice for him - risk trial, conviction and jail by not making a deal OR taking a deal where he steps down agreeing to some minor charge with no prison time.

If that happened, President Trump is the one who would nominate someone and the Senate would have to confirm him or her. Assuming this happens in 2018, that would be a Senate with either 51 or 52 Republicans. Confirmation would place some constraint on the choice - but as we saw yesterday and in the Obama years, it might not be a significant constraint. Nixon picked the House Minority Leader, Gerald Ford, who was a pretty bland, non controversial choice. However, where Nixon was a criminal (worse than we knew at that time given that he blew up the 1968 peace negotiations just to win election), he also had a rational, functional side that Trump may not have.

Given that Trump has to pick, I assume we can eliminate anyone he sees as having criticized him - which eliminates almost all serious Republicans - like Romney, Jebb, Corker etc might be eliminated by Trump. This might be too simplistic as he now appears to be BFF with Lindsey Graham, who was one of the toughest critics early on in the primaries. One of the many things that are weird about Trump is we do not know whether he really has an ideological value. If you look at the choices he has made for the cabinet, he has found people the Senate confirmed. At that point, we are at a crisis point - as we were when Nixon picked Ford. There would be a major effort to get someone who could help the country move forward.

[Jakes Progress]

188. President DeVos? Perry? Puzder?

[LisaL]

191. Sure, sure.

If Trump is impeached/resigns, Pence becomes president. Why would Pence resign now?

[nvme]

193. Shit Sandwich

If Pence resigns we would get stuck with Ryan. No Ifs ands or buts. I am revolted by the thought but that is the constitutional line. So perhaps we might get the senate .

[DFW]

196. Only if Trump resigns at the same time

If Pence goes first, Trump picks the new VP (as with Nixon picking Ford after Agnew resigned). When Agnew resigned, the Speaker of the House was a Democrat, so Nixon moved quickly to name a new VP. He settled on Ford as the least controversial (and certainly not the first preference) of his possible choices. At that point, Nixon didn't see himself resigning yet over Watergate. When he did resign, Ford became President, and moved to nominate another Republican for his VP. Ford no doubt enraged the rapidly rightward-radicalizing Republicans by picking the most flamboyant moderate Republican around, NY Governor Nelson Rockefeller, who had no trouble sailing through to confirmation (52 Democratic Senators and 36 Republican Senators voting to confirm). Again, this made sure the Democratic Speaker of the House had no chance of directly succeeding to the presidency. Ford remained the only president that never got there through a presidential election.

[Thor_MN]

197. McConnell going down would be nice, but that does nothing to the Order of Succession.

Turtle is a butt breathing piece of shit, but Majority Leader of the Senate is not in the Order of Succession. Orrin Hatch is the President Pro Tem of the Senate and would ascend to the Presidency in this scenario, assuming there were no appointments from Pence on down.

No. Office Current officer
1 Vice President Mike Pence (R)
2 Speaker of the House of Representatives Paul Ryan (R)
3 President pro tempore of the Senate Orrin Hatch (R)
4 Secretary of State Rex Tillerson (R)
5 Secretary of the Treasury Steven Mnuchin (R)
6 Secretary of Defense James Mattis (I)
7 Attorney General Jeff Sessions (R)
8 Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke (R)
9 Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue (R)
10 Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross (R)
11 Secretary of Labor Alex Acosta (R)
12 Secretary of Health and Human Services Eric Hargan
13 Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Ben Carson (R)
– Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chao (R)
14 Secretary of Energy Rick Perry (R)
15 Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos (R)
16 Secretary of Veterans Affairs David Shulkin (I)
17 Secretary of Homeland Security Elaine Duke (I)

[SergeStorms]

198. MOMMY!

Poor Q-tip, he absolutely gets NO respect!

[Johnny2X2X]

200. Barely knew the guy

"Mike Pence? Barely knew the guy, he was a coffee boy and held no real position in the campaign or my administration." Signed, Dim Don.

[doodsaq]

207. Because twitter rumors turn out true. NT

[libtodeath]

213. Jebus fucking christ on a pogo stick,look what has happened in the last two weeks.

Repukes are about to elect a pedophile to the senate and they have lied and smeared Franken and Conyors to leave office.
Does anyone think even one of those rat fuckers would ever instantly resign?

[McCamy Taylor]

215. Pelosi for prez!