Thu Nov 30, 2017, 11:41 PM

And to think the GOP actually impeached Bill Clinton over concentual sex.

"It's not about sex, but about the rule of law and lying under oath", they piously told us.

Trump and Sessions have done so much worse, yet the criminal GOP cabal will tell us with a straight face, "Nope nothing to see here."

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And to think the GOP actually impeached Bill Clinton over concentual sex. (Original post)	Chasstev365	Nov 2017	OP
The republican party is the most dangerous criminal organization in the world	Dr_Pretorius	Nov 2017	#1
+1	dalton99a	Dec 2017	#3
+100 n/t	librechik	Dec 2017	#24
+ 1000	davekriss	Dec 2017	#25
+10000	Jarqui	Dec 2017	#31
They impeached him because he lied about it.	pepperbear	Dec 2017	#2
And of course as we all know Trump always tells the truth. Always.	LisaL	Dec 2017	#4
Pleading guilty to lying to the FBI about colluding with Russia ...	Jarqui	Dec 2017	#33
Ayup. Even if no collusion is found, they are ALL guilty of LYING	Roland99	Dec 2017	#21
So perjury is a crime	rainin	Dec 2017	#27
It was not really consensual.	Lunabell	Dec 2017	#5
She initiated.	Dr Hobbitstein	Dec 2017	#6
Boys will be boys?	loyalsister	Dec 2017	#8
I didnt say that, dont you dare put words in my mouth.	Dr Hobbitstein	Dec 2017	#10
She would have had to have more power for her behavior to have defined the situation	loyalsister	Dec 2017	#11
Cool story. nt	Dr Hobbitstein	Dec 2017	#13
Don't tip	GaryCnf	Dec 2017	#26
He should have resisted.	Lunabell	Dec 2017	#14
I never said he was right.	Dr Hobbitstein	Dec 2017	#15
It was harassment	Lunabell	Dec 2017	#17
By definition, it is NOT harassment.	Dr Hobbitstein	Dec 2017	#19
Sure it was	Lunabell	Dec 2017	#22
That doesn't make it harassment.	Dr Hobbitstein	Dec 2017	#49
It was still wrong	Lunabell	Dec 2017	#50
Nope , it WAS consensual. Maybe inappropriate , immoral, etc but was	JI7	Dec 2017	#44
Yes. She initiated.	rainin	Dec 2017	#30
She was also publicly vilified	loyalsister	Dec 2017	#7
She can blame Linda Tripp for that	TexasBushwhacker	Dec 2017	#20
Tripp deserves blame	loyalsister	Dec 2017	#35
Huh? They spent tens of millions investigating the Clintons.	joshcryer	Dec 2017	#37
If he hadn't lied there would have been no perjury to investigate	loyalsister	Dec 2017	#40
What reptuation?	joshcryer	Dec 2017	#41
Imagine what it might have been like to apply for a job?	loyalsister	Dec 2017	#43
$12 million for her book.	joshcryer	Dec 2017	#48
Linda Tripp got her involved in the nightmare.	joshcryer	Dec 2017	#36
She has enough compassion to not smear him	loyalsister	Dec 2017	#38
Are you kidding me?	joshcryer	Dec 2017	#39
He didn't have the power to control the right wing and THEY are the ones to blame	JI7	Dec 2017	#45
He did try to stop it	kskiska	Dec 2017	#9
In either case,	MountCleaners	Dec 2017	#32
That "Schmucko" "principle of the United states" sure got what he deserved.	joshcryer	Dec 2017	#42
consensual -- derived from consent, consensus	L. Coyote	Dec 2017	#12
Only want him on the cover when he's frog-marched out of the WH.	kairos12	Dec 2017	#18
Rule of law applies only to the takers. Not to the Reich Wing. Their actions speak to this everyday.	kairos12	Dec 2017	#16
When people refuse to see gop hypocracy, they're bigots.	lindysalsagal	Dec 2017	#23
I always thought it was conceptual	BeyondGeography	Dec 2017	#28
Worse. The original Special Counsel investigation had nothing to do with Bill's sex life.	Yavin4	Dec 2017	#29
They had the votes so they were going to impeach him for something	Blue_Tires	Dec 2017	#34
Yup. Just like they would have gone after Hillary for something else if Benghazi never happened	JI7	Dec 2017	#46
Yeah they impeached Clinton for sex.	Initech	Dec 2017	#47
That's not correct is it?	carterb034	Dec 2017	#51

Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Thu Nov 30, 2017, 11:45 PM

Dr_Pretorius (71 posts)

1. The republican party is the most dangerous criminal organization in the world

Thieves, gangsters, and traitors seeking only to enrich themselves and their plutocrat masters.

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Fri Dec 1, 2017, 12:13 AM

dalton99a (74,383 posts)

3. +1

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Response to Dr_Pretorius (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 06:48 PM

librechik (30,524 posts)

24. +100 n/t

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Response to Dr_Pretorius (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 06:58 PM

davekriss (4,308 posts)

25. + 1000

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Response to davekriss (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 07:28 PM

Jarqui (9,182 posts)

31. +10000

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 12:13 AM

pepperbear (5,559 posts)

2. They impeached him because he lied about it.

Remember "I did not have sex with that woman."? That was the moment Ken Starr was popping champagne corks.

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Response to pepperbear (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 12:19 AM

LisaL (44,679 posts)

4. And of course as we all know Trump always tells the truth. Always.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 07:35 PM

Jarqui (9,182 posts)

33. Pleading guilty to lying to the FBI about colluding with Russia ...

... (Flynn & Papadopoulos) ... no biggie .. it's Obama's fault!

Lie about getting a blow job ... Impeach!!!

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Response to pepperbear (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 06:40 PM

Roland99 (53,065 posts)

21. Ayup. Even if no collusion is found, they are ALL guilty of LYING

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Response to pepperbear (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 07:02 PM

rainin (2,951 posts)

27. So perjury is a crime

when you're a democrat? sarcasm

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 05:51 AM

Lunabell (4,083 posts)

5. It was not really consensual.

He was her boss.

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Response to Lunabell (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 09:34 AM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

6. She initiated.

It was 100% consensual.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 10:42 AM

loyalsister (13,390 posts)

8. Boys will be boys?

The idea that men have no agency because they are at the mercy of their urges is a RW defense.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 10:46 AM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

10. I didnt say that, dont you dare put words in my mouth.

She initiated things, which means she consented.

Was it ethical? No.
Was it legal? Yes.

100% consensual.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 10:52 AM

loyalsister (13,390 posts)

11. She would have had to have more power for her behavior to have defined the situation

He had the power to resist seduction. After he didn't use his agency to say no, he and his allies mercilessly abused her.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 10:55 AM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

13. Cool story. nt

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 07:01 PM

GaryCnf (1,399 posts)

26. Don't tip

the sacred cow.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 05:28 PM

Lunabell (4,083 posts)

14. He should have resisted.

He should have gotten HR involved if she initiated. He was wrong. Clinton was wrong. Franken was wrong. Trump was wrong. Conyers was wrong. Sexual harassment is wrong.

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Response to Lunabell (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 05:46 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

15. I never said he was right.

It was unethical, yes. Sleeping with your subordinates is generally unethical.

But it was consensual. Both parties were OK with it.

It was not harassment (like Franken, Conyers, and Trump).

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 05:48 PM

Lunabell (4,083 posts)

17. It was harassment

He was her boss. #metoo

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Response to Lunabell (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 05:56 PM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

19. By definition, it is NOT harassment.

She initiated the relationship. He consented.

Harassment implies it is unwelcome. It was not.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 06:47 PM

Lunabell (4,083 posts)

22. Sure it was

He was her boss. He had the power. He should have been the "adult" in the room.

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Response to Lunabell (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:42 AM

Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)

49. That doesn't make it harassment.

2 consenting adults. By definition is not harassment.
Him being the boss makes it unethical, but 100% NOT harassment.

Words have meanings. I suggest a dictionary, you may learn something.

Or not.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #49)

Sat Dec 2, 2017, 05:20 PM

Lunabell (4,083 posts)

50. It was still wrong

And he was twice her age. Disgusting behavior and yes, I also fault those who protect men like this just because of politics. #metoo

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 10:08 PM

JI7 (87,747 posts)

44. Nope , it WAS consensual. Maybe inappropriate , immoral, etc but was

Consensual

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 07:05 PM

rainin (2,951 posts)

30. Yes. She initiated.

Totally consensual, in my view. No question.

There is the concern about the President being vulnerable to blackmail. Oops, I forgot to add, if you're a democrat.

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Response to Lunabell (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 10:40 AM

loyalsister (13,390 posts)

7. She was also publicly vilified

He had the power to prevent or stop it and he didn't. She has said that the relationship was consensual, but she didn't sign up to be part of the nightmare of FBI interrogation and humiliation. She did not sign up to have to try to go about her business with the entire US population knowing the personal details of her sex life.

Powerful aggressors use threats and promises to control people and situations. I doubt he threatened her, but he probably made promises to help advance her future career options.
I think/hope cared about her, and would not have threatened to destroy her reputation. But, what happened to her is a common threat used by perpetrators of sexual abuse.

She faced ruthless public shaming and scapegoating while allies and supporters in the general public rallied around him. That he did not prevent or step in to stop the brutal harassment she faced was cruel.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 06:23 PM

TexasBushwhacker (18,694 posts)

20. She can blame Linda Tripp for that

and she can blame herself for talking about it. Sorry, but there's a big difference between a victim and a volunteer.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 08:05 PM

loyalsister (13,390 posts)

35. Tripp deserves blame

But, no one would have been interested in those tapes if he hadn't lied. Mr. I feel your pain basked in his approval ratings while she was mercilessly smeared. He has never taken responsibility for his part and apologized for the abuse he stood by and watched her endure to his benefit.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 08:11 PM

joshcryer (62,176 posts)

37. Huh? They spent tens of millions investigating the Clintons.

Ken Starr alone investigated the Clinton's for the better part of a decade and the only thing they could get to stick was by trapping him in a situation where he would have to lie about his infidelity.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #37)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 08:18 PM

loyalsister (13,390 posts)

40. If he hadn't lied there would have been no perjury to investigate

Ken Starr's obvious ruthlessness was well known to him when he lied. He walked straight into it and then watched as his friends and callous supporters destroyed her reputation.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 08:55 PM

joshcryer (62,176 posts)

41. What reptuation?

She had affairs before Clinton and watched Day's of Our Lives, going on daddy's $20k vacations, driving Mercedes. An admitted serial liar, said so by herself on tape. That's her accomplishment in life. Have you not listened to the tape Tripp made? Lewinsky was a vindictive piece of work. But Tripp played her like a fiddle (by recording those private conversations).

The reality is that Bill Clinton tried to end the affair privately and she decided to take him down with her, since she couldn't keep up the facade anymore.

And I'm being told here that she was victimized. My goodness. Do you take me for, as she called Bill, a "schmucko"?

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #41)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 10:05 PM

loyalsister (13,390 posts)

43. Imagine what it might have been like to apply for a job?

Callous cheerleaders continue to ignore the fact that he could have stopped what was happening to her. Protect the powerful man at all costs.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 10:20 PM

joshcryer (62,176 posts)

48. $12 million for her book.

Her only "damage" was that she couldn't keep being a Beverly Hills gal running around in LA glitz and glamor like she did as a young woman with daddy's money. But now she can do the talking head circuit talking about how she was a poor victimized girl when in reality she was a spoiled rich brat who had affairs with married men for thrills.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 08:08 PM

joshcryer (62,176 posts)

36. Linda Tripp got her involved in the nightmare.

And the whole right wing apparatus.

She still blames the Clintons.

If Clinton made "promises to help advance her future career options" she never said a damn thing about it in her book. She makes herself out to be a doting young woman dazzled by the handsome President.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 08:12 PM

loyalsister (13,390 posts)

38. She has enough compassion to not smear him

and not reveal all details. Linda Tripp and her tapes were of no consequence without his lie.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 08:14 PM

joshcryer (62,176 posts)

39. Are you kidding me?

She literally rolled out her book during his wife's historic campaign and ran the circuit playing victim. She never at any point placed the blame where it belongs, with the right wing.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 10:09 PM

JI7 (87,747 posts)

45. He didn't have the power to control the right wing and THEY are the ones to blame

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 10:43 AM

kskiska (26,932 posts)

9. He did try to stop it

That's when she began making threats. The agreement at the beginning was that either one could opt out, but when he tried, she didn't want it to end. That's when she was sent to work at the Pentagon.

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Response to kskiska (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 07:34 PM

MountCleaners (1,148 posts)

32. In either case,

...it was a dumb thing to do, and both parties used extremely poor judgment. Given the right's rabid nature, they should have refrained from doing anything that would give them ammunition.

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Response to kskiska (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 08:57 PM

joshcryer (62,176 posts)

42. That "Schmucko" "principle of the United states" sure got what he deserved.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 10:53 AM

L. Coyote (51,127 posts)

12. consensual -- derived from consent, consensus

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 05:48 PM

kairos12 (12,098 posts)

18. Only want him on the cover when he's frog-marched out of the WH.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 05:48 PM

kairos12 (12,098 posts)

16. Rule of law applies only to the takers. Not to the Reich Wing. Their actions speak to this everyday.

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Fri Dec 1, 2017, 06:48 PM

lindysalsagal (18,968 posts)

23. When people refuse to see gop hypocracy, they're bigots.

Because they'll back anything or anyone who goes after non-white xtian males, and gives everything to the already rich. No matter how little sense it makes.

They'll support Russia corrupting our election, and prosecute an adult blow job, because it's money, or it just doesn't matter.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 07:04 PM

BeyondGeography (38,561 posts)

28. I always thought it was conceptual

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 07:04 PM

Yavin4 (34,072 posts)

29. Worse. The original Special Counsel investigation had nothing to do with Bill's sex life.

It was only after the Paula Jones civil suit when Ken Starr's investigation was expanded into who Bill was fucking. That's when he lied about Monica, and was impeached after that.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 07:43 PM

Blue_Tires (55,445 posts)

34. They had the votes so they were going to impeach him for something

the impeachment was years in the making...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 10:11 PM

JI7 (87,747 posts)

46. Yup. Just like they would have gone after Hillary for something else if Benghazi never happened

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 10:20 PM

Initech (96,334 posts)

47. Yeah they impeached Clinton for sex.

Yet Trump has had accusations of sexual harassment and assault - things a hundred million times worse than what Clinton did, they are just like "whatever". Assholes.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Dec 2, 2017, 06:00 PM

carterb034 (8 posts)

51. That's not correct is it?

I thought he was impeached for lying under oath about it.

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