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Mon Nov 27, 2017, 03:57 PM

How Mike Pence is connected to Russia.

Manafort sneakily got Trump to accept Pence as VP, on that infamous day when Manafort lied to Trump about the campaign plane needing repairs, so that Trump had to stay on the ground, and meet with Pence.

Mike Pence's brother, Ed Pence is VP for Cummins, a majority owned Russian state engine company since 1987.

Cummins uses Lobbying firm PPG.

PPG is run by Charles Black

Black was a former partner w/ Manafort in Ukraine PPG worked w/ TRNC as did Flynn.

Pence ignored warnings and got Flynn hired for Trump's Adviser.


More detail of this web, and why Flynn is so important to Mueller's investigation of Manafort and Pence.




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Reply How Mike Pence is connected to Russia. (Original post)
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2017 OP
Wellstone ruled Nov 2017 #1
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2017 #27
Wellstone ruled Nov 2017 #29
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2017 #33
Wellstone ruled Nov 2017 #37
leanforward Feb 2018 #48
uponit7771 Nov 2017 #2
burrowowl Nov 2017 #3
Achilleaze Nov 2017 #4
marble falls Nov 2017 #5
stuffmatters Nov 2017 #8
marble falls Nov 2017 #9
stuffmatters Nov 2017 #12
marble falls Nov 2017 #15
stuffmatters Nov 2017 #22
marble falls Nov 2017 #23
stuffmatters Nov 2017 #25
Volaris Nov 2017 #40
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2017 #28
MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #36
Volaris Nov 2017 #41
volstork Feb 2018 #49
Iggo Nov 2017 #6
Botany Nov 2017 #7
marble falls Nov 2017 #16
lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #10
NastyRiffraff Nov 2017 #11
Farmer-Rick Nov 2017 #13
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2017 #30
debsy Nov 2017 #14
H2O Man Nov 2017 #17
stuffmatters Nov 2017 #18
Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #19
BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #20
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2017 #34
Pepsidog Nov 2017 #21
Roland99 Nov 2017 #24
Chiyo-chichi Nov 2017 #38
mivona Apr 2018 #50
gopiscrap Apr 2018 #54
Sneederbunk Nov 2017 #26
Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #31
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2017 #43
Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #45
Clarity2 Apr 2018 #53
Tbear Nov 2017 #32
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2017 #35
Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #55
Chiyo-chichi Nov 2017 #39
Little Star Nov 2017 #42
bathroommonkey76 Nov 2017 #44
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2017 #46
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2017 #47
gademocrat7 Apr 2018 #51
DinahMoeHum Apr 2018 #52
Bayard Apr 2018 #56
halobeam Apr 2018 #57
dixiegrrrrl Jun 2018 #59
halobeam Jun 2018 #60
dalton99a Jun 2018 #58

Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 04:16 PM

1. Thanks for this info.

Bye bye Mikey.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 06:22 PM

27. I am finding that twitter page very useful.

Checking out the info takes just a few seconds.

The more we look, the more motives we find.

Pence's other brother, Greg, is running for the Senate in Indiana. I hope he loses big.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #27)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 06:28 PM

29. Totally forgot the

one at Cummins. Recall their footprint in Russia and big time East Germany in the late eighties. Shipped finished Cast Aluminum parts to their European plants.

Greg Pence had a major fund raiser last week,that story was posted on Raw Story .

Pence is as dirty as Trump.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 10:37 PM

33. "Pence is as dirty as Trump".

Happily, it seems Mueller knows it ..heh heh.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 10:46 PM

37. Pence has sold his Ass to Putin.

Funny how life experiences always touch on certain things later on. Never thought the day would come,when a Job which was a stop off for something better in ones life,would cause a recall of something like,I remember doing all the Documents on those shipments to Austria and forwarded to a Russian Assembly Plant. Talk about Paperwork,wow. Irony being,these parts are going to a firm who now is run by a Guy who's Brother is a Compromised Tool of Russia.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 3, 2018, 07:15 PM

48. Ditto

Now more of the relationships make sense.

The actions of these guys is more about greed and power, than concern for the citizens of these United States and territories.

It needs to stop.

Thanks dixiegirrrl.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 04:19 PM

2. K&R

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 04:30 PM

3. K&R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 04:36 PM

4. Sleazey republican TreasonWeasels betraying America

Lock them up

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 04:44 PM

5. How do we get rid of Paul Ryan, next???...........

Then Orin Hatch and Rex Tillerson and Steve Mnuchin??????

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Response to marble falls (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:12 PM

8. Win back The House and stop Repug/Trump chain of ascention

Lots of moving parts to synchronize/time right, but it's the only way and can be done.

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Response to stuffmatters (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:14 PM

9. Bingo! 2018 is as important as 2020!!!!!

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Response to marble falls (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:33 PM

12. President Pelosi,VP (Warren, Klochubar,Gillibrand,Maxine(!) etc) sounds pretty sweet to me

Experience, smarts, competence deep enough to clean up this Repug disaster. Plus it would drive the Repugs crazee(ier)

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Response to stuffmatters (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:39 PM

15. Pelosi not so much, but she's certainly better than Paul freaking Ryan.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 06:03 PM

22. It would be automatic, as Speaker of the House she'd be right after womenhater Pence.

No election needed.That;s kind of the beauty of it.

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Response to stuffmatters (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 06:08 PM

23. But in a perfect world, wish for the best.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #23)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 06:16 PM

25. We're wishing for different things.

Pelosi is simply the most experienced,powerful and competent Democratic politician out there. Great she's 3rd in line to be the one to clean up after the Thug Wrecking Ball to our Democracy. IMHO.


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Response to stuffmatters (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 28, 2017, 12:53 AM

40. And of it could be done, and if there were any justice in the world,

Hillary Clinton would be named the next Speaker by a Democratic House Majority.
Because fuck the treason - weasels, and NOTHING would send a stronger signal to Vlad that he fucked with the wrong democracy, and big-time.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 06:27 PM

28. Mueller is following the money....

Ryan and McDonnell and some others are in deep doo doo, and they know it.

We really do have to organize for paper ballots or impossible to crack computer voting., tho.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 10:46 PM

36. He is on tape hushing up the fact that Trump and Rhorabacher were on Putin's payroll.

He and McConnell both knew the money was pouring in from Russia and that they were interfering with the election.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 28, 2017, 12:59 AM

41. Yep. It's why McConnell fucked Obama out of his SC nominee..

Because that Yertle motherfucker KNEW the fix was in, and all he had to do was stall. Not sure that's legal grounds for Gorsuch to be removed, (probably not) but if there's so much as a scrap of paper with note on it as evidence, I want McConnell indicted and sharing a cell with trump.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 17, 2018, 02:49 PM

49. Don't forget mcconnell.

I despise that little chinless MF.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 04:46 PM

6. Manafort.

Got it in one.

Yes!

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 04:52 PM

7. Tillerson, Manafort, Flynn, Pence, Page, and so on all go back to Russian links.

But what about HRC's emails?

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Response to Botany (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:40 PM

16. Screw the e-mails. Change the law.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:20 PM

10. The more we take down, the merrier.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:30 PM

11. Wow.

But then, nothing this criminal bunch does should surprise us anymore.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:35 PM

13. Figures Pence is up to his eyebrows in Putin treason against the US

As much as the treasonous family Trump. I wonder if in the future the Trump and Pence names will be synonymous with traitor as is Benedick Arnold.

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 06:30 PM

30. The minute I heard Manafort had shoved Pence into the moron's line of sight,

I smelled a rat, because happily there was/is a lot of information about Trump early days, where Manafort shows up.

Trump Sr. and Roy Cohn, and Roger Stone, for instance.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:38 PM

14. Traitors. All of them.

My opinion is that the person currently occupying the White House knew everything that was going on every step of the way. Any talking points, (like "Manafort sneakily got Trump to accept Pence as VP, on that infamous day when Manafort lied to Trump about the campaign plane needing repairs, so that Trump had to stay on the ground, and meet with Pence ") have been carefully designed and executed by the traitorous criminals associated with the coup all the way to the top to give plausible deniability. We collectively should be doing all we can to get them ALL OUT OF THERE NOW.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:48 PM

17. Recommended.

Thank you for this.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:56 PM

18. Great and welcome info. The sanctimonious Scum VP needs to be thoroughly examined

Rachel was onto this liar from the moment he & WH dropped the "Flynn lied to Pence" smokescreen that has become MSM rote..
Pence is ears deep in this treasonous dung heap.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:57 PM

19. Yayyyy

When Pence is in prison he'll never be tempted by women again!

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:58 PM

20. THANK YOU!!!

At my sister's during Thanksgiving Dinner I said that Pence is dirty too but couldn't give many details. Your post is a bonanza of info. YEAH. Now McConnell and Ryan need as much documented ties with Russian money invested in their campaigns.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 10:40 PM

34. I think you will find that link has tons of good info like this. n/t

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 06:00 PM

21. Excellent content. Thank you

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 06:13 PM

24. I had no idea Cummins was Russia owned!

They were clients for two former employers of mine

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 11:08 PM

38. It isn't.

The Russian connections are there in that hodgepodge of links... and I was not aware of those connections... but Cummins is not Russia owned. It's an American company and the largest shareholders are American investment corporations.

http://investors.morningstar.com/ownership/shareholders-overview.html?t=CMI

Scroll down to "equity ownership" and click on "institutions." Institutional investors hold 84.6% of shares. I didn't google them all, but the largest shareholders by far are American investment institutions.

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Response to Chiyo-chichi (Reply #38)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:18 AM

50. Historical ownership?

The information displayed there is recent. Is there any free source which indicates historical holdings? I'm just wondering how much of it might have been foreign owned and Russian owned.

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Response to mivona (Reply #50)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:42 AM

54. welcome to DU

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 06:22 PM

26. Nixon/Agnew, Trump/Pence. Works for me.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 08:14 PM

31. Will Mueller leave Pence alone to ensure a smooth transition of power?

Pence is guilty as hell, but maybe the powers that be want him to run the show
when Trump is gone.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 28, 2017, 02:16 PM

43. There is an interesting angle to the timing of removing Trump.

Pence is dirty, too, and Mueller knows it.

Several scenarios possible, all hinge on 2018 election when all 435 House seats are on the line ( and 33 Senate seats)

Assuming that:

Trump gets removed before 2018 elections
Making Pence Pres.
Pence picks a VP.
Pence can be charged and removed, leaving a republican VP.
The Republicans like this scenario.

2nd scenario...
Trump and Pence are removed at same time before 2018 elections
Speaker of the House becomes Pres, ( Paul Ryan)
Problem is Russian money and ties involve him also.
Republicans still like this scenario

3rd option
wait till after 2018 elections, when it is predicted Dems will regain power in the House
Pence and Trump are removed
Speaker of the House becomes Pres. ( Presumed to be Pelosi)
Dems like this scenario

4th option
wait till after 2018 elections, when it is predicted Dems will regain power in the House
Pence and Trump are removed
The speaker of the house is not Pelosi..this can happen because there is no rule that a House speaker has to be a member of the House
House Dems choose a non-member...say, Biden. Or Warren, or Michelle Obama ( who is wickedly smart, btw)

Remember, these are scenarios that contain assumptions, with upsides and downsides, esp. the 4th option.

Dems have to pick up 50 seats in the House in the mid-terms, if I am counting correctly.
Also assumes that the longer we wait to dump Trump, the more danger he puts us all in.




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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #43)

Tue Nov 28, 2017, 03:50 PM

45. Yes everyone knows Pence is dirty. Will be interesting to see how it plays out,

Last edited Tue Nov 28, 2017, 04:23 PM - Edit history (1)

Excellent summary of options.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #31)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:05 AM

53. I don't think Mueller would look the other

way re Pence. It's interesting that he was trying to set up an interview with Trump, and yet no interview with Pence. It could suggest he's been a target all along (and Trump is too now).

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 08:46 PM

32. Please explain how Cummins is owned by Russia

Pence is at the very least a liar, but I believe Cummins is a publicly traded US Fortune 500 company. Please correct me.

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Response to Tbear (Reply #32)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 10:42 PM

35. You need to ask the source about that...at the link. n/t

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #35)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 11:05 AM

55. Please don't regurgitate assertions that have been proven FALSE by DU members.


A solo unsourced tweet is not a legitimate reference for a fact. I never expected you to hide behind one.

Cummins and KAMAZ have a joint venture in Russia. As do many companies.

https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=42148450

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Response to Tbear (Reply #32)

Mon Nov 27, 2017, 11:09 PM

39. You're right. It isn't. See my post and link above.

KAMAZ is the Russia owned company... located in Russia... and Cummins has a partnership with them.

That's not to say that there isn't something here.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Tue Nov 28, 2017, 12:54 PM

42. k&r

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Tue Nov 28, 2017, 02:26 PM

44. I hope Flynn nails Pence

 

Didn't Mike Pence vet him during the transition to the WH? I bet Flynn has a lot of dirt on all of these weasels.

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Reply #44)

Tue Nov 28, 2017, 04:59 PM

46. I outlined how Pence/Manafort are connected in this post, you may find it worthwhile.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029892213

All the bits and pieces of the story, like how Pence was chosen, are now making the overall plot more clear.

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Reply #44)

Tue Nov 28, 2017, 06:08 PM

47. Our dear Rep. Cummnigs set a lovely trap for Pence a year ago.

Pence was head of the Transition team, so was the one who hired Flynn.
Cummings sent Pence a letter, warning that Flynn had been up to very questionable things.
Pence ignored the letter, as Cummings figured he would, and hired Flynn.

The top Democrat on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, (Elijah Cummings) told then Vice President-elect Mike Pence in a November letter that the man Donald Trump had tapped to be his national security adviser was lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.

“Lt. Gen. Flynn’s involvement in advising Mr. Trump on matters relating to Turkey or Russia – including attending classified briefings on those matters – could violate the Trump for America, Inc. Code of Ethical Conduct,” Cummings wrote.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article137853633.html

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:30 AM

51. Pentecostal pence

Is part of the treason weasel train. Very good information.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:51 AM

52. This is why I say Mike Pence is gonna get his, sooner or later.

He is not clean at all regarding these investigations. He's gonna end up like Spiro Agnew in the wake of Watergate.

He better not think of "measuring the drapes" for the Oval Office just yet.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 12:01 PM

56. This is starting to feel like the Kevin Bacon game.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 07:32 AM

57. Glad to K & R!

I missed this on the first pass, maybe others did too.

Thanks for the info. I am increasingly uncomfortable regarding the silence around Pence.

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Response to halobeam (Reply #57)

Sat Jun 16, 2018, 02:22 PM

59. In looking back now at that post,


I realize how far we have come in terms of understanding the Russia connections, and how all the key players are connected to dirty money.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #59)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 11:59 PM

60. :) So far yet, so far to go!

Not complaining though, it could always be worse.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sat Jun 16, 2018, 11:18 AM

58. Kick

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