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Sat Nov 25, 2017, 10:31 AM

My response to a djt supporter on a local blog:

Forget parroting partisan news sources used only to further your own confirmation bias. Forget "whataboutisms," the "Billy did it too defense," used to deflect any criticism.

Let's use our own eyes and ears:

I saw with my own eyes djt mock a disabled person. You saw it too. I hear with my own ears djt disparage others with childish name calling. You hear it too. These are behaviors we saw and hear. There is no twisting, no spinning. They are factual and obvious.

I see djt supporters as victims of a fear, greed and resentment-based communal psychosis they cannot or refuse to see. Minimizing, defending and rationalizing his behavior for one of two reasons:
1). Belief djt's alleged monetary brilliance will somehow fatten their own wallets (greed) or;
2). A perverse glee that he is sticking it to libtards, snowflakes,'them Mex-cans,' baby-killers, Jesus-less cretins, BLM, pointy-headed college types and other assorted, despised groups (fear and resentment).

In this area, SE Indiana, I don't think most people are delusional enough to believe #1, so I'm going with #2 as the most likely reason for support of djt. Not only here, but in the vast majority of rural America.

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Reply My response to a djt supporter on a local blog: (Original post)
Comatose Sphagetti Nov 2017 OP
tazkcmo Nov 2017 #1
Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #2
Alice11111 Nov 2017 #23
CrispyQ Nov 2017 #25
qwlauren35 Nov 2017 #31
Alice11111 Nov 2017 #32
Alice11111 Nov 2017 #33
Dread Pirate Roberts Nov 2017 #3
oasis Nov 2017 #4
dalton99a Nov 2017 #6
lindysalsagal Nov 2017 #37
ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2017 #5
Comatose Sphagetti Nov 2017 #7
ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2017 #8
Comatose Sphagetti Nov 2017 #9
ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2017 #10
lunasun Nov 2017 #12
FakeNoose Nov 2017 #16
AllaN01Bear Nov 2017 #11
HelenWheels Nov 2017 #13
Nitram Nov 2017 #14
Comatose Sphagetti Nov 2017 #18
Nitram Nov 2017 #19
Comatose Sphagetti Nov 2017 #20
Comatose Sphagetti Nov 2017 #26
Nitram Nov 2017 #28
KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2017 #15
BootinUp Nov 2017 #17
LakeArenal Nov 2017 #21
vlyons Nov 2017 #22
MyOwnPeace Nov 2017 #30
Comatose Sphagetti Nov 2017 #34
MyOwnPeace Nov 2017 #35
Comatose Sphagetti Nov 2017 #36
MyOwnPeace Nov 2017 #38
Mountain Mule Nov 2017 #24
AlexSFCA Nov 2017 #27
cwydro Nov 2017 #29

Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 10:38 AM

1. Very kind of you.

I ascribe support for Herr Twittler von Shitgibbon to a total lack of oxygen to the brain or in other words they're friggin' idiots.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 10:42 AM

2. Fear of losing white power, that explains the 2016 election that he still lost, dont forget.

3 million less votes and states with hacked voting machines, votes that were not allowed to be tabulated, etc.

America was robbed.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 01:08 PM

23. Not just white power. They hate liberals (meaning non RWs).

Remember, "Jews, will not, replace us," and the woman they murdered. They love the RW blacks who agree with them.

That's Not to say that their isn't a racial factor. Clearly, they are mostly racists against anyone different, blacks, Hispanics, Native Americans, refugees....

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Response to Alice11111 (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 01:50 PM

25. One of the MSNBC shows interviewed a small group of women from AL, & their biggest fear?

The democratic agenda. They didn't want to vote for Moore, but they would because of their fear of the democratic agenda. These people have been brainwashed for over three decades to hate liberals. They would rather vote for a child molester than a democrat.

One awful woman (this was online, not the MSNBC show) stated that deciding between a child molester or someone who is pro-abortion was such a difficult choice for her. WTF? A clump of cells vs a living breathing child & she can't tell the difference. These people are addled by religion.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 03:47 PM

31. Yes. It's a big deal.

You're talking about a kiss or a grab vs. murder in their eyes. It's a HUGE deal.

You are reminding me of how easy it would be for Moore to win by reminding everyone that he is the "Pro-Life" candidate. Jones can't fight that.

It's highly likely that Moore will win. But DUers could make a difference by getting involved in the race. Even if just sending money.

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Response to qwlauren35 (Reply #31)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 06:57 PM

32. That's is how they see it. That position, often fighting

for a blob of tissue, that cannot survive alone, has caused a lot of deaths by those Pro Life people.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 07:01 PM

33. They are brainwashed hillbillies. I have a couple in my

family. They cannot even hear when you try to talk to them about abortion, and many other things. They verbally deplore racism, but some of their comments are racists, and they will argue they are not
..just too PC.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 10:48 AM

3. It's pretty simple, he appeals to their lowest common motivations

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Response to Dread Pirate Roberts (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 10:55 AM

4. Bill Moyers is one of the best ever!

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Response to Dread Pirate Roberts (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 10:59 AM

6. +1

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Response to Dread Pirate Roberts (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 07:44 PM

37. POTUS makes racism respectable. Racism is their favorite scapegoat for resentments.

The southern strategy is real and now permeates much of the gop base.

However, in recent smaller elections, 45's endorsement failed, and may still fail in Alabama.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 10:57 AM

5. When answering online about Donald Trump.........


I merely tell the truth.

I use Trump's words in quotes, post links to what he has said....gets Trump supporters mad as hell. Then having them defend the indefensible is a thing of beauty because they make fools of themselves. It displays the fact that they have been conned by a con man. Their ignorance is on full display for others to read that may know these people.

I do not name call. I keep to the topic at hand. As it has been said, "the truth will set you free." With Trump supporters, it only makes them madder and look less credible when they attack me, which is quite often.

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 11:03 AM

7. Brilliant

I am thinking about trying that. Have seen others do it to great affect. The cognitive dissonance generated is palpable.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 11:11 AM

8. It is affective.......By all means do it.


My latest letter to the Editor of our local newspaper was tying Trump's attraction to Authoritarianism to the classic novel by George Orwell's 1984. I have a post here on that as well, with a few edits. Not one vilifying comment from Trump supporters, just kudos from people who know me on writing a letter that tells the truth. Donald Trump's words and actions continue to prove me correct, and they hate that.

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 11:24 AM

9. Link to post?

Like to see that.

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 11:54 AM

12. Missed that post . Thanks for the link

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 12:19 PM

16. Nice job on that post

If you don't get a good response from right-wingers, it's probably because they haven't read the book. Try referencing Marvel comics and you might get a better response.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 11:49 AM

11. you also forgot comunist pink-o- pig

i wear that badge with distinction thank you very much .

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 11:54 AM

13. You are 100% correct.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 12:10 PM

14. Comatose, I think you're right on the money.

Although I'd add racism as an additional reason for a majority of Trump supporters. They either agree with his racism or are willing to ignore it. Both equally egregious.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 12:23 PM

18. Thanks

For me, racism, greed, resentment, etc. - all of our "shortcomings" - are rooted in fear.

I have only three states of mind, and I can only occupy one of these states at a time. These states are fear, indifference and humility. All of my "shortcomings" arise out of fear, and all of my altruism from humility.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 12:33 PM

19. I would agree that racism is an example of "fear of the other". As is xenophobia.

I'm surprised that you only experience three states of mind. Please don't take this the wrong way, but are you by any chance an Aspie?

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Response to Nitram (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 12:35 PM

20. No

Don't know what that is.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 02:03 PM

26. Just googled Aspie...

"Aspies are healthy mentally, their brain's just wired a different way."

I don't have Asperger's syndrome, but I'm definitely wired a different way.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Reply #26)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 02:40 PM

28. I am related to two Aspies, and they are both intelligent, creative, and kind people.

Aspie is a term people with Asbergers syndrome often use to refer to themselves and each other. They refer to people like me as "neuro-typical," with just a hint of pity in their voice.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 12:12 PM

15. In summary, appeal to the worst of human nature.

Greed, fear and resentment, pumped to the level of feeling helpless. Then, tell them only tRump can fix these things.

The irony is that there's no factual basis for triggering these emotions. We must also point out the lies behind those appeals.

However, probably best to approach one lie at a time, and keep a factual bucket list.


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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 12:21 PM

17. I would say 66% or so are all in for anti-abortion. nt

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 12:51 PM

21. It really isn't libtards..Mex-cans...BLM etc...

It's their glee of supposedly sticking it to Obama.. He represents all of "them others".

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 12:52 PM

22. I don't know why you even bother

I long ago gave up trying to reason with Trumpsters. It is non-productive. They are ignorant, hateful people, whose minds are filled with delusions and bigotry. They don't care about ethics, competence, or compassion. I think it is much more productive to reason with people, who hopelessly have given up on voting.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #22)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 03:40 PM

30. I remember this quote.........

from an old TV show with Ben Gazzara - "Run for Your Life" - it was rolling around in my brain for years and I found that it is from William Lloyd Garrison:

“With reasonable men, I will reason; with humane men I will plead; but to tyrants I will give no quarter, nor waste arguments where they will certainly be lost.”


― William Lloyd Garrison

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #30)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 07:06 PM

34. Great quote.

I like this one -

"Our country is the world, our countrymen are all mankind. We love the land of our nativity only as we love all other lands. The interests, rights, and liberties of American citizens are no more dear to us than are those of the whole human race. Hence we can allow no appeal to patriotism to revenge any national insult or injury." - William Lloyd Garrison

Went to post it on FB but chickened out... I envisioned friends and family shaking their heads and mouthing, "libtard."

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Reply #34)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 07:19 PM

35. Another good one, indeed!

And, just to say, I wear "libtard" proudly!!

As for "them" - fuck 'em!

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #35)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 07:26 PM

36. Thanks!

I needed that bit of inspiration! Just posted it on FB.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Reply #36)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 08:30 PM

38. Uh-oh!

Don't blame me when you're sitting on the porch or sleeping in the garage for the weekend!

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 01:15 PM

24. Excellent Reply!

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 02:13 PM

27. there is only one reason

fear of non-whites ‘taking over’ the country. Everything is just a cover. The only exceptions are non-whites who voted for trump but there aren’t as many. Anti-immigrant hispanics voted based on that stance alone and blacks who hate their own community (Clerence Thomas and Ben Carson types). This election was 100% about race so it doesn’t matter what trump says, he‘ll get those votes. Racism is fear and it overshadows rational thinking in those who are less educated. They are willing to destroy the country if it means destroying non-whites. This is also why engaging with trump supporters is not productive because, their support is based on animalistic insticts not reason.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Sat Nov 25, 2017, 02:55 PM

29. Good response.

Much better than some I see here...bragging how they told some 45 supporter to go f themselves. Which does exactly nothing.

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