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riversedge

(70,197 posts)
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 07:07 PM Nov 2017

Tune into @msnbc right now! renato_mariotti is doing a mock trial on the #TrumpRussia collusion, con

real good so far


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Tune into @msnbc right now!

@renato_mariotti is doing a mock trial on the #TrumpRussia collusion, conspiracy, & obstruction of justice

Get your popcorn, this is great stuff!


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Tune into @msnbc right now! renato_mariotti is doing a mock trial on the #TrumpRussia collusion, con (Original Post) riversedge Nov 2017 OP
i'll have to watch the video--can't STAND Dershowitz hlthe2b Nov 2017 #1
Doh! I just posted the samething kydo Nov 2017 #2
great minds, yes. we are. riversedge Nov 2017 #3
I see many great minds here today kydo Nov 2017 #4
I think Dershowitz rebuttal is basically saying there was no law for Trump to break?? riversedge Nov 2017 #5
That's what I got too kydo Nov 2017 #6
Dershowitz says there is no statute against collusion. Why is that a weak argument? Cicada Nov 2017 #8
Russia became our Ally. WinkyDink Nov 2017 #11
Okay, Dersh, prove collusion is not a crime. librechik Nov 2017 #7
Can you prove it isnt a crime to drink milk? Cicada Nov 2017 #9
Robert Mueller, however, is not "we." I trust Robert Mueller's knowledge more than I do that of A.D. WinkyDink Nov 2017 #12
I trust Mueller too. He wont charge collusion Cicada Nov 2017 #13
I cannot stand Dershowitz. I passed. WinkyDink Nov 2017 #10

kydo

(2,679 posts)
4. I see many great minds here today
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 07:14 PM
Nov 2017

As many posted too.

I am going to delete mine. And then go back to watching this program. It's pretty good.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
6. That's what I got too
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 07:21 PM
Nov 2017

That's a weak argument. But it is really the only argument that they might have. Lets hope so for the real thing.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
8. Dershowitz says there is no statute against collusion. Why is that a weak argument?
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 08:33 PM
Nov 2017

Can you tell us the statute which makes it illegal?

Has any President been charged? Did FDR break a law colluding with Stalin in WWII?

I think Dershowitz is right. The closer case is whether Trump is guilty of obstruction of justice. Dershowitz who tilts toward protecting people charged with crimes, who usually wants to limit the reach of prosecutors, who is a defender of civil liberties, for which we should praise him rather than blast him, probably argues the President is in charge of federal prosecutions so he can do pretty much anything he wants to obstruct justice. That is a closer call and most jurisprudes probably disagree with him on that.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
7. Okay, Dersh, prove collusion is not a crime.
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 07:23 PM
Nov 2017

You say the prosecutor can't prove collusion is a crime. Prove otherwise. And then we can deal with the evidence, not hypotheticals. Dersh is all hypotheticals. He's just trying to change the subject.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
9. Can you prove it isnt a crime to drink milk?
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 08:40 PM
Nov 2017

If you are indicted for drinking milk do you have the burden to prove it’s not illegal?

The prosecutor must cite a specific law you have broken when you drank milk. He must prove exactly what you did which is forbidden by that law.

What specific law outlaws colluding with Russia? How did Trump’s behavior violate that law?

If we can’t meet that burden then Dershowitz is obviously correct that Trump is not guilty.



 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
12. Robert Mueller, however, is not "we." I trust Robert Mueller's knowledge more than I do that of A.D.
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 08:56 PM
Nov 2017

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
13. I trust Mueller too. He wont charge collusion
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 09:09 PM
Nov 2017

He may charge obstruction, maybe not. He may charge conspiracy to hack to get emails illegally. He may charge money laundering. He may charge submitting false financial forms to get a loan. He may charge fraud to sell real estate. I bet Trump has broken many laws. But there is no such law making collusion with Russia illegal.

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