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Thu Nov 23, 2017, 09:40 AM

A reassuring message that makes me feel grateful and hopeful.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/opinion/thanksgiving-fathers-harassment-masculinity.html?emc=edit_tnt_20171123&nlid=56823741&tntemail0=y

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Reply A reassuring message that makes me feel grateful and hopeful. (Original post)
ariadne0614 Nov 2017 OP
Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #1
ariadne0614 Nov 2017 #4
Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #5
ariadne0614 Nov 2017 #7
still_one Nov 2017 #2
Guilded Lilly Nov 2017 #3
rzemanfl Nov 2017 #6

Response to ariadne0614 (Original post)

Thu Nov 23, 2017, 09:46 AM

1. Most excellent article. I have been waiting for men to join the dialogue.

Women have been discussing a lot in the past few weeks.
Time for men to take part too.

We must argue, discuss, sort out the issue of sexual harassment,
so we can move forward as a society.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 23, 2017, 11:37 AM

4. Sexual harassment is a symptom, not the disease.

It seems to me that deeply ingrained cultural misogyny is the real issue. Humanity has been swimming in this toxic stew for thousands of years, and we’re at a point where it has to be addressed in order for us to survive as a species.

That’s why I’m thrilled we’re finally at a point where discussion of sexual harassment is out in the open, and simultaneously concerned that this opportunity will end up being counterproductive if not handled with care. Many men who would not consider engaging in criminal, or even “merely” disgusting behavior toward women, are beginning to realize that they fall somewhere on the continuum of the sexism/misogyny scale. As men (think of the ones you love) grapple with this discomfort, I would rather not rub salt in their wounds.

Men are as victimized by the patriarchal system as the rest of us, and we all need to be gentle with each other as we work through the mess. When the dust settles, we’re still going to be in the soup together, and it’s getting hotter by the minute.

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Response to ariadne0614 (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 23, 2017, 11:39 AM

5. Ariad, most excellent comments. The soup needs to be hot for the time being.

The truth will set us free, but first it will hurt like hell.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 23, 2017, 05:42 PM

7. Thank you, and yes, there will be pain. n/t

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Response to ariadne0614 (Original post)

Thu Nov 23, 2017, 09:53 AM

2. This is probably one of the few things I'll agree with Bret Stephens on

Then again he was one of the few conservatives who openly was against Trump

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Response to ariadne0614 (Original post)

Thu Nov 23, 2017, 09:59 AM

3. A very thoughtful read.

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Response to ariadne0614 (Original post)

Thu Nov 23, 2017, 03:49 PM

6. kick n/t

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