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Wed Nov 22, 2017, 08:34 PM

There IS a way for Hillary to be President!

"Not sure why Clinton isn't running for a House seat.
Dems could elect her Speaker. Then .....it's Mueller time."



sez Richard Painter, Prof. of law at the University of MN, was chief White House ethics lawyer for Pres. George W. Bush from '05 to '07. Currently serves as vice chairman of CREW

In fact, the Speaker does not even have to be a member of the House:
Under the Constitution, the speaker does not have to be a member of the House. He or she doesn’t have to be an elected lawmaker or government official. The speaker can be an ordinary, private citizen.

In fact, there really are not any legal restrictions on qualifications for that office. The relevant words are from the Constitution’s Article 1, Section 2, Clause 5: “The House of Representatives shall chuse [sic] their Speaker and other Officers."
https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Decoder/2015/0925/John-Boehner-exit-Anyone-can-run-for-House-speaker-even-you

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Reply There IS a way for Hillary to be President! (Original post)
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2017 OP
guillaumeb Nov 2017 #1
shanny Nov 2017 #30
Me. Nov 2017 #2
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2017 #14
Mike Nelson Nov 2017 #3
The Wielding Truth Nov 2017 #4
radical noodle Nov 2017 #5
Va Lefty Nov 2017 #6
onenote Nov 2017 #7
pnwmom Nov 2017 #18
onenote Nov 2017 #19
pnwmom Nov 2017 #38
onenote Nov 2017 #39
pnwmom Nov 2017 #42
onenote Nov 2017 #44
pnwmom Nov 2017 #45
onenote Nov 2017 #47
pnwmom Nov 2017 #48
onenote Nov 2017 #49
pnwmom Nov 2017 #50
onenote Nov 2017 #51
The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #8
onenote Nov 2017 #13
brooklynite Nov 2017 #9
lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #41
unblock Nov 2017 #10
madville Nov 2017 #11
lapucelle Nov 2017 #32
Ace Rothstein Nov 2017 #12
Takket Nov 2017 #15
onenote Nov 2017 #21
jmowreader Nov 2017 #16
onenote Nov 2017 #20
jmowreader Nov 2017 #34
onenote Nov 2017 #36
Yupster Nov 2017 #46
melman Nov 2017 #17
HipChick Nov 2017 #22
onenote Nov 2017 #25
R B Garr Nov 2017 #24
melman Nov 2017 #35
R B Garr Nov 2017 #40
Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #27
lapucelle Nov 2017 #33
Post removed Nov 2017 #23
Loki Liesmith Nov 2017 #26
ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #29
former9thward Nov 2017 #28
Stinky The Clown Nov 2017 #31
karynnj Nov 2017 #37
Lil Missy Nov 2017 #43

Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 08:38 PM

1. That would require that the GOP lose the House in 2018.

And that HRC would be selected.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:11 PM

30. AND for the Dems to win 2/3 of the Senate

 

since for impeachment, BLOTUS and Veep also have to be convicted in the Senate.

Pigs will fly first.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 08:39 PM

2. Too Much Ambition In The House

to make this scenario right

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Response to Me. (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 10:13 PM

14. Pelosi comes to mind.... n/t

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 08:39 PM

3. Yes...

...win in 2018 and have Hillary finish Trump's term - it was her win, anyway! ...and wouldn't that irritate Crooked Donald!

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 08:39 PM

4. What??? We have to win the house majority though, right?

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Response to The Wielding Truth (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 08:42 PM

5. Yes, we would

Richard Painter obviously thinks that could happen.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 08:44 PM

6. OMFG

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 08:44 PM

7. How many times is this silly idea going to be trotted out?

Clinton doesn't want it. The House Democratic caucus almost certainly doesn't want it. And even if it happened, there is no realistic scenario whereby she becomes president.

Give it a rest already.

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Response to onenote (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 03:47 AM

18. Richard Painter is aware that the Speaker of the House is #3 in the order of succession, behind only

VP Pence.

And he's also aware that Pence may be in deep doo doo.

So he's aware that there IS a realistic scenario for her becoming President.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:00 AM

19. No, he's aware there is not a realistic scenario

Unless he's totally divorced from reality.

Trump and Pence cannot be forced from office except via impeachment and conviction. The Republicans control that process, even if the Democrats take a majority in the House and Senate because it takes 67 votes to impeach. Anyone who believes that the Republicans would allow the impeachment process to move forward simultaneously against both Trump and Pence, or even that the Democrats would name Hillary as speaker, is living in a fantasy world.

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Response to onenote (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 02:23 PM

38. In 2020 the R's might not be controlling the House any longer. I don't think anyone

thinks there's much of a chance of impeachment before then, which takes a majority vote in the House.

CONVICTION takes a 2/3 vote in the Senate. The likelihood of that would depend on the facts developed in impeachment hearings in the House. With those hearings run by Democrats, it is possible -- all depending on the facts.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 02:27 PM

39. what would be the point of an impeachment proceeding AFTER the 2020 elections?

Even if the Democrats obtain a majority in the House and Senate in 2018, we won't have 2/3 of the Senate and it is pure fantasy to think republicans would participate in a scheme to install a Democrat as president.

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Response to onenote (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 02:49 PM

42. I meant 2018, but the same principle applies. I obviously think the facts will be far more damning

than you think. Enough even to shame and embarrass enough Republican Senators.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #42)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 03:01 PM

44. I don't care what the fact show. The republicans will not agree to a strategy that puts a Democrat

in the White House. It's pure fantasy to think otherwise.

You seem to think that there will be unanimous support throughout the nation for impeachment. But that will never, ever happen. The same 30 plus percent of the country that supports Trump will conclude that anything Mueller finds is a lie and continue to support him. And the chances of establishment republicans turning on Pence is even smaller.

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Response to onenote (Reply #44)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 03:11 PM

45. Again, you don't think there will be the equivalent of dead bodies. I do. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #45)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 03:34 PM

47. Dead bodies? Really?

I hope that's overindulgence from Thanksgiving talking.

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Response to onenote (Reply #47)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 03:53 PM

48. I said "the equivalent" and I meant it with only slight exaggeration.

His crimes will be so heinous that enough R's will disavow him.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #48)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 03:57 PM

49. Nonsense.

They simply won't believe it. These are the people who hate the Clintons and Obama so much that they still think Bill and Hillary killed Vince Foster and that Obama is a Kenyan muslim.

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Response to onenote (Reply #49)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 04:14 PM

50. Enough ordinary Americans will believe it that the R's will fear for their re-election chances.

They will fear looking like fools when DT gets convicted of multiple felonies after he's out of office, if -- through impeachment hearings -- the facts came out while he was President and they failed to convict.

They won't want to be the party that openly aided and abetted a felon.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #50)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 04:31 PM

51. The Republicans fear their base more than ordinary republicans

They fear being primaries in their gerrymandered safe house districts. Senators figure that they won't gain as many republicans votes as they'll lose and won't pick up Democratic voters.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 08:46 PM

8. Technically that would work, except

(a) she's said she'll never run for public office again, and
(b) the Dems would have to get control of the House, and
(c) it's doubtful that current House members who are interested in that position would be willing to step aside.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 09:51 PM

13. and for her to become president, several other highly unlikely events:

Simultaneous Impeachment and conviction (or resignation) of Trump and Pence, which could only occur if the repubs allowed it to happen and there isn't snowball's chance in hell of that happening.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 09:01 PM

9. No, still isn't a way.

If Trump leaves office, Pence becomes President and then names a new VP. The odds on both of them leaving at the same time are miniscule.

Besides, has it occurred to anyone that Hillary Clinton doesn't WANT to be a House member (and there's already a Democrat in her district)?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 02:45 PM

41. Pence is probably as vulnerable as Trump under Mueller's microscope.

The hard part of course is taking a majority in the House, and 2/3 in the Senate. The latter seems pretty well out of the question in 2018.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 09:02 PM

10. Wrong wrong wrong!

Yes hillary could be made speaker as a non-member, but republicans will *never* agree to remove Donnie and pence *simultaneously*.

A new republican would be nominated and confirmed veep in between, as Gerald ford was.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 09:05 PM

11. Democrats are currently trying to distance themselves from the Clintons

Very few want them back in the mix. Hillary should enjoy retirement and let the next generation develop their own set of leaders.

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Response to madville (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:54 PM

32. Do you have a source for that assertion?

Both Clintons appeared in NJ to campaign for the Democratic nominee for governor last month.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/10/and_now_bill_clinton_will_visit_nj_to_back_murphy.html

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 09:07 PM

12. Please stop.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 10:35 PM

15. this not very well thought out idea forgets that............

we have to win the house, to impeach, AND hold 2/3rds of the Senate to simultaneously convict Pence and Trump.

Senate is currently 52R-48D

If we somehow win alabama, it is 51R-49D

Rs have 8 seats up next year. If Ds sweep all 8, it is 57D-43R

Still not a 2/3 majority to convict.

This scenario is mathematically impossible.

Rs might convict if the evidence is overwhelming but NOT is the Ds make Hillary speaker. Such a foolish maneuver would essentially guarantee Drumpf finishes out a 4 year term.

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Response to Takket (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:03 AM

21. +1

The delusion of some people on this thread is disheartening.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 02:23 AM

16. There is a way to get a Democrat in the White House before 1/20/21, but not necessarily HRC

The Order of Succession outlined in the Constitution really only works if multiple people die at the same time. But there is a way to go deep in the Order without having to shoot anyone.

Step 1 is to take back both houses of Congress and install a good Democrat as Speaker. I know Nancy Pelosi was Speaker and is the current Minority Leader, but I want Jackie Speier. The lady is hard core, man; she was Rep. Leo Ryan's aide on his fact-finding mission to the People's Temple in Guyana, and was shot five times by Jim Jones' security detail and left for dead at the airport. When you're walking around with scars from five bullet holes in you, anything the GOP can do is a trifle.

Step 2 is to impeach and remove Pence. Not Trump. Pence. The reason is very obvious...

Step 3 requires the Senate. A president can pick his or her own running mate before the election, but a replacement VP is handled like any other appointment: it requires the approval of the Senate. We simply don't give Trump the approval.

Step 4 is to impeach and remove Trump. Because there is no vice president, the speaker will become president - and the speaker is someone we like.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:02 AM

20. In what universe would the Republicans allow this scenario?

Answer: None.

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Response to onenote (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 01:20 PM

34. Up that to one

Remember my Rule of Loyalties:

A politician is loyal to

His seat
His largest donors
His party
His constituents
His nation

IN THAT ORDER.

There are three more years before the next election. If in that time Trump is either proven to have taken office by the hand of America’s Worst Enemy, or he does something so outrageous his entire family would have been guillotined for it in France, the voters are going to give our congress-members an ultimatum: him, or you.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #34)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 01:51 PM

36. Even so, they would work the timing so that they controlled who was his successor

Why? Because his donors and his party would insist

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 03:17 PM

46. Easiest way to get a Democratic President in 2018 is to get

Trump to switch parties.

I've always thought that a possibility, but why would we want him? I don't think he has any political moorings other than what he thionk will work today.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 02:32 AM

17. What more proof could anyone need that this Painter guy shouldn't be taken seriously

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Response to melman (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:06 AM

22. Disagree...he's come up with good gems..

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Response to HipChick (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 11:27 AM

25. And yet he doesn't even know the Speaker doesn't have to be a House member

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Response to melman (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 11:03 AM

24. Thank goodness he's not a divider and at least

tries to come up with solutions and doesn't spread the lie that Democrats and Republicans are the same. He sees how destructive Trump is to our country.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 01:49 PM

35. It seems you're not very familiar with who this guy actually is

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Response to melman (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 02:42 PM

40. He sure has a good handle on priorities.

Very aware of the destruction brought on by Trump. Who would tell him to stop saying that Hillary is a good choice for office. Who would do that.

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Response to melman (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 11:33 AM

27. Yep,

I get the whole enemy of my enemy thing.

But I can't take seriously the "ethics chief" who apparently was so silent during his own boss's administration. I mean the guy had to be busier than a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

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Response to melman (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 01:15 PM

33. Yes, why on earth would anyone take a board member of this organization seriously?

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 11:30 AM

26. Plans with low probability of success are a waste of time

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:11 PM

29. Plans with "no" probability of success

 

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:06 PM

28. What's with the "sic" after "chuse"?

That is exactly how the word we now spell as "choose" was spelled in the 1700s.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:25 PM

31. OFFS

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 01:54 PM

37. Remember Nixon Agneau

There would be a new VP

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 02:51 PM

43. No.

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