The kiss.

cloud my judgement. I can see how her occupation may have made her more attractive to him, though. Her political affiliation has far more bearing on my opinion of her.

I realize that it's politically incorrect to bring up that inconvenient fact, but that's the sad fact, and that's why Franken took the picture.

but agree with the rest and while I hate to be this way to a victim, she has some credibility problems, so that "if" is a big one.

a kiss can be a lot of things. It appears Al was attracted to her but she was not attracted to him. I guess that was part of the point I was trying to make. If she had been attracted to him I doubt the kiss would have bothered her. She may have welcomed it. I don't know. What I do know is that if I were practicing a line with George Clooney and he came in with a forceful tongue kiss I wouldn't reject it. That's a fact. Sex, love and attraction involve a lot of human feelings. It is not always a black and white matter.

I'm honestly starting to believe that while she may have been grossed out by the kiss I think she was far more angry about the picture, as I would be. Being the brunt of any joke, especially a sexual joke, while asleep can be hurtful and embarrassing. But I don't believe for a minute that he actually groped her.

for the gag photo. not actually asleep?

I don't think Al denies that point.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029856689
(A DU thread with a link to snopes dubunking the photogrpaher "quote". Made up by some dipshit who isn't helping)

It caught his new ID, too -- it got written after the change but they recognized it was just a handle change.

Go Snopes!

until I saw the DU post with the snopes article I had no idea that tweet was discredited. Glad to have plenty of DU'ers to catch me up and I never want to post a mistake so I'm happy to be corrected.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/16/1716247/-Heads-up-Russians-boosting-Franken-story-per-Hamilton-68

After seeing this he tried to change his ID to unlink it from the Politifact article, apparently, as his new Twitter handle is AidenHagi, but that name still scores a 7/10 on Make Adverbs Great Again.

And still hasn't revealed the source or the photographer's name.

he strikes me as a decent nonsexist guy. But I have the world's biggest crush on him so...

required. You can be married and still be in a scene where your character kisses someone.

I read an idea that the reason the actors in Hollywood were so attractive (unattractive people could have acting abilities) because of this. That made it less likely someone would be unable to do kissing scenes due to lack of attraction. They were all gorgeous. Even so, you have to fake it or you can't be an actor.

The other just stupid juvenile bullshit.

Personally, I would be far more upset about the photo. (Still, he is not groping her.) Being asleep leaves a person in a terribly vulnerable state. Taking advantage of that state is the problem imo.

Certainly not in a "rehearsal" of the skit - that the other party is clearly not comfortable doing.

"Certainly not in a "rehearsal" of the skit - that the other party is clearly not comfortable doing".

She's made it clear to us now how grossed out she was. That she agreed to the kiss but didn't really mean it and even planned to trick him by turning her head. Did she make her feelings clear to him before the kiss?

there have been a few skits with men kissing. They do not hold back.

The key is that this woman is saying she was pressured and coerced.

I am having a really hard time understanding how someone forces their tongue into another person's mouth. At a show where there are other people around without him having to tie her up and force her mouth open.


This is some grade A bullshit.

If you refuse to rehearse a scene, can you be fired? That's just part of some scenes.

I would think there is some standard of practice in the industry.

But even by her description of what happened he didn't assault her. Could she have told him "no tongue" when she was agreeing to the kiss? Had she done that would he have honored her request?